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JohnL
03/13/2007, 11:51 AM
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The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 11:51 AM
Ahhh, only 48". That sucks. Aquarium Specialties from the sponsors page has the Aquactinics 5 lamp T5 fixture which is nice. It will punch a little deeper into the tank but wont spread the light as much front to back.

savager
03/13/2007, 12:57 PM
I got Oceanic 30G Cube tank. Since it's only 20" long, I really have limited light option. After I saw my local member's tank with T5 light, I am sold. But only think I can think for this tank is 4 bulbs 24" Tek Light Fixture.

This is my question, if I go with 24" Tek Light fixture, is there any way I can use the leg which they offer? I think I saw little picture but it doesn't look like I can adjust it to fit 20" wide tank. If I can't use their leg, is there any other legs I can use?

My second question is, since 30G cube tank is pretty deep, do you think I can keep SPS successful with 4 bulbs t5? Is there any other company makes 6 bulbs with individual reflector?

My last question, if I go with 4 bulbs, what combination of bulb should I get?

Thank you so much guys.

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 02:10 PM
I think you would have to hang the fixture. I would use a Sun or daylight, 1 actinic, 1 aquablue and 1 blue plus for lamps.

savager
03/13/2007, 02:16 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9466640#post9466640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
I think you would have to hang the fixture. I would use a Sun or daylight, 1 actinic, 1 aquablue and 1 blue plus for lamps.

If I hang the light, how far I have to keep my light from surface of water? 3 inches?

And my other question, do you think i can keep any kind of SPS? I am just worry about the depth of my tank.

chrisd4421
03/13/2007, 02:32 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9465527#post9465527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Ahhh, only 48". That sucks. Aquarium Specialties from the sponsors page has the Aquactinics 5 lamp T5 fixture which is nice. It will punch a little deeper into the tank but wont spread the light as much front to back.

Grim,
What do you think about the Tek 6x39 as planned but upgrading the reflectors to give the extra punch needed to get to the bottom? (would Icecap reflectors be a good upgrade) I really like the look of the Tek (sleek and thin)

Thanks
Chris

cartoonbear
03/13/2007, 02:46 PM
Im not grim, but I know what he told me

The IceCap SLR reflectors are the best T5 reflectors

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 04:12 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9466697#post9466697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by savager
If I hang the light, how far I have to keep my light from surface of water? 3 inches?

And my other question, do you think i can keep any kind of SPS? I am just worry about the depth of my tank.

keep the lamps about 4" above the water or get the splash shield and lower it down if that works better. You should be fine with any SPS in the upper half of the tank.

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 04:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9466867#post9466867 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrisd4421
Grim,
What do you think about the Tek 6x39 as planned but upgrading the reflectors to give the extra punch needed to get to the bottom? (would Icecap reflectors be a good upgrade) I really like the look of the Tek (sleek and thin)

Thanks
Chris

I doubt you could fit Ice Cap reflectors into a Tek fixture. If you could do a canopy you can use them in a retrofit.

vtrieu88
03/13/2007, 04:52 PM
Will the life of the bulb shorten if overwrite by IceCap ballast?

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 05:05 PM
As long as you use fans the lamp life doesn't appear to be greatly affected

deeez
03/13/2007, 05:57 PM
Hey Grim, you've convinced me to go for T5's instead of halides. I am currently have a 72 gallon bowfront that's 48" long and 24" deep with 440 vho's (2 - 10k and 2 03 actinic). Should I go for 4 IceCap 54W T5 HO and keep the 2 03 actinic vhos? Or should I ditch the Vho's altogether and get a 6 TEK t5's with IceCap reflectors? I only have a budget of $400 =(. I have mostly lps and want to have some sps. Thanks

AJtheReefer
03/13/2007, 06:51 PM
any issues with the following bulb selection, for an 54W 8 TEK?

1 x 54W GE 3000K
2 x 54W GE 6500K
3 x 54W Giesmann Atinic Plus
1 x 54W Giesmann 11,000 Aquablue+
1 x 54W Super Actinic UV Lighting

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 07:11 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9468405#post9468405 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by deeez
Hey Grim, you've convinced me to go for T5's instead of halides. I am currently have a 72 gallon bowfront that's 48" long and 24" deep with 440 vho's (2 - 10k and 2 03 actinic). Should I go for 4 IceCap 54W T5 HO and keep the 2 03 actinic vhos? Or should I ditch the Vho's altogether and get a 6 TEK t5's with IceCap reflectors? I only have a budget of $400 =(. I have mostly lps and want to have some sps. Thanks

Keep the 2 VHO actinics. Run a UVL Aquasun, ATI Blue Plus and 2 Aquablues in the T5's. If you want a more blue look use 2 Blue Plus and 1 Aquablue with the aquasun

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 07:13 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9468812#post9468812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AJtheReefer
any issues with the following bulb selection, for an 54W 8 TEK?

1 x 54W GE 3000K
2 x 54W GE 6500K
3 x 54W Giesmann Atinic Plus
1 x 54W Giesmann 11,000 Aquablue+
1 x 54W Super Actinic UV Lighting

I spect that would look good.

JasonF
03/13/2007, 07:19 PM
So are there any other complete 36" hoods with individual reflectors, other than the Aquactinics and Tek fixtures?

Zoos
03/13/2007, 07:51 PM
The ATI will be out soon.

three-spot
03/13/2007, 07:56 PM
How many bulbs (using the tek retro) would I be looking at to keep sps in a 48x12x18H 45g? 4?

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 08:32 PM
4 would be fine

hng
03/13/2007, 08:56 PM
For a 90 gallon no substrate sps dominant tank, how do you feel about 2 normally driven 54 watt bulbs and 3 overdriven 54 watt bulbs using an ice cap 660? Thanks for your response!

UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue Plus *IC ballast
UVL Aquasun *IC ballast
ATI Aquablue Special *IC ballast
ATI Blue Plus

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 09:26 PM
Should be fine. Just dont get high light stuff too far out from under the lights.

hng
03/13/2007, 09:36 PM
Thanks Grim. Do you think I would be better off overdriving 4 bulbs with the ice cap and have 2 bulbs normally driven (6 total bulbs) or would that be too much light?

aquamariner
03/13/2007, 09:39 PM
I have 4 TEK reflectors for the 48" bulbs brand new, with the protective film on them still. If anyone wants to buy these from me, email me at [email protected] I'll create an invoice for you through PayPal. I'm asking $60 for them, $10 shipping through FedEx with insurance included. If you want to do the transaction through Ebay, and are sure you want to buy them, I'll list it on Ebay with a Buy It Now and we can do it that way, again paying through PayPal. I have 100 feedback through ebay.

Zoos
03/13/2007, 09:54 PM
You might want to try posting that in the selling forum, I'm pretty sure it's not allowed here.

vthondaboi
03/13/2007, 10:06 PM
Is the IC T5 Retro or Solar Flare going to be noticeably brighter than the Aquactinics TX5?

My main concern are carpet anemones in a standard 75G tank...

But for the price of a Solar Flare I could get a 48" MH Fixture for cheaper...

aquamariner
03/13/2007, 10:09 PM
Yeah, I tried, it says I have to have fifty posts before I can start a new thread,which I need in order to post these. I was just offering them for folks who have been following this thread as it has been quite helpful.

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 11:07 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9470551#post9470551 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hng
Thanks Grim. Do you think I would be better off overdriving 4 bulbs with the ice cap and have 2 bulbs normally driven (6 total bulbs) or would that be too much light?

I'd do 4 overdriven. As long as you arent doing softies it wont be too much.

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 11:11 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9470863#post9470863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vthondaboi
Is the IC T5 Retro or Solar Flare going to be noticeably brighter than the Aquactinics TX5?

My main concern are carpet anemones in a standard 75G tank...

But for the price of a Solar Flare I could get a 48" MH Fixture for cheaper...

I would probably go with the IC retro or Solar Flare. The Aquactinics 5 lamp unit MIGHT be intense enough for a Carpet but I wouldnt want to chance it.

vthondaboi
03/13/2007, 11:17 PM
What bulb selection would you go with to try to re-create a VHO looks but brighter?

Is it possible to stick with UV Lighting bulbs as they are more readily available locally and not sacrifice too much par...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9471310#post9471310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
I would probably go with the IC retro or Solar Flare. The Aquactinics 5 lamp unit MIGHT be intense enough for a Carpet but I wouldnt want to chance it.

The Grim Reefer
03/13/2007, 11:46 PM
2 of each of the UVL lamps in a 6 lamp mix should do it. If it were me I would do 2 super actinics, 1 aquasun, 1 actinic white, 1 ATI Aquablue and 1 Blue plus and see how that looks.

billyzbear
03/14/2007, 12:56 AM
Hay Grim could you post the info or a link to the T5 bulb par testing you did? I remember seeing it but can't find it now.

billyzbear
03/14/2007, 01:05 AM
I finally found it. Thanks for all your work.

aquamariner
03/14/2007, 12:50 PM
When I received the first order of reflectors , I told the guy that I had received the Tek reflectors instead of the IceCap, as he sells both. I told him this based on the fact that I didn't see the brace on the ends of the reflectors.Either way, the reflectors were the wrong length. Well, it turns out that they are IceCap reflectors after all. I received the reflectors for the 36" bulbs today and again, they didn't have the braces. I called the guy up and he told me he pulled them out of an IceCap box before he sent them to me. So I called IceCap and the guy in technical support told me that IceCap didn't make the reflectors with the braces any more, that they stopped making them 8 months to a year ago. So , I've got icecap reflectors for the 48" bulbs. Just thought you would like to know.

luke33
03/14/2007, 02:27 PM
Grim, i've asked you a couple questions about t5's recently and my mind is made up and i'll be purchasing them very soon. I'm going to buy a used retro 4x54w icecap and i'll be buying a new 4x54w with a 660 so really a 4x80w icecap retro. This is for my 125g. This would be plenty for clams and sps right. I plan on geisman, ati bulb's but wanted to know what bulbs for a nice blue tint but not totally blue look. And thanks, you've been great and are a huge asset to RC!

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 03:08 PM
I assume you are staggering the lamps(72x18 125)?

If that is the case keep the clams in the area with all the lamps overlapping. For a lamp mix I would try this, again assuming overlaps

Front
Blue Plus
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Super Actinic
GE 6500K or UVL Aquasun
GE 6500K or UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus or Aquablue for less blue look
Blue Plus or Aquablue for less blue look

I think either combo would look nice. I don't think either will be a 20K look.

aquamariner
03/14/2007, 03:43 PM
What is the optimal temperature under a canopy with 4x39 watt HO's for the bulbs to operate at?

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 04:01 PM
95 degrees.

55semireef
03/14/2007, 05:05 PM
Grim, what spectrum bulb is this? It doesn't really say on the package clearly. I took some pictures of the box to see if you can figure it out. Its a 54 watt bulb.


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/cichlidfort/clamsandlighting003.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/cichlidfort/clamsandlighting004.jpg

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 05:17 PM
4750. It would be worth a try.

55semireef
03/14/2007, 05:23 PM
a 4750 K spectrum you say grim? I have never heard of a number like that.

Zaphod
03/14/2007, 05:35 PM
what would you recomend on a 40 gal breeder for SPS. Bulb combo? I am thinking of getting the 36" 5 bulb aquatinic unit.
Thanks,
Nick

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 05:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9476918#post9476918 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
a 4750 K spectrum you say grim? I have never heard of a number like that.

I hadn't either till I looked it up.

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 05:59 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9477020#post9477020 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zaphod
what would you recomend on a 40 gal breeder for SPS. Bulb combo? I am thinking of getting the 36" 5 bulb aquatinic unit.
Thanks,
Nick

Front
Blue Plus
GE 6500K
Super Actinic
Aquasun
Blue Plus

HowardW
03/14/2007, 06:23 PM
Anyone know what the differences are between a NO T5 bulb and a HO T5 bulb, and what would happen if I used a NO 48" 28W T5 bulb in a fixture now running 54W bulbs?

sgallagher7
03/14/2007, 06:35 PM
I just purchased a tek 6 bulb setup and have a question regarding fans. What would be the best orientation to get the most out of the bulbs? one on each side of the hood blowing lengthwise, or 2 in the back blowing from front to back?

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 06:41 PM
2 blowing in from the back near the ends of the lamps.

luke33
03/14/2007, 06:41 PM
Grim, thanks for the advice, yes you were correct i'm going to overlap on my 6' tank. So the clam's would be good in the middle, what about the sps, middle also? And i'm guessing if i keep lps, in the moderate to less light area's? Thanks!

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 06:46 PM
SPS will be a little more forgiving than the clams but I wouldn't get them too far towards the ends.

sgallagher7
03/14/2007, 06:47 PM
Thanks again Grim. You rock.

luke33
03/14/2007, 07:15 PM
Thanks Grim, your a good man!

pulpol
03/14/2007, 08:13 PM
do you get shimmer lines from t-5's? does it depend on the brand of bulbs or type? type of reflector? thanks

Zaphod
03/14/2007, 08:29 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9477277#post9477277 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Front
Blue Plus
GE 6500K
Super Actinic
Aquasun
Blue Plus

where is the best place to order?

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 08:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9478534#post9478534 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pulpol
do you get shimmer lines from t-5's? does it depend on the brand of bulbs or type? type of reflector? thanks

A little but nothing like halides.

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 08:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9478698#post9478698 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zaphod
where is the best place to order?

Reefgeek usually has the best deals.

55semireef
03/14/2007, 09:06 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9477249#post9477249 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
I hadn't either till I looked it up.

Wow, I have a weird bulb combo.

1 6500 K bulb
1 4750 K bulb
2 Pure Actinic

Lots of white light and purple. Figures why sps browns out in my tank.

The Grim Reefer
03/14/2007, 10:40 PM
Swap out a pure actinic for a Blue Plus.

dsieber
03/15/2007, 07:56 AM
After 2 weeks I have finally finished this epic thread. I have some questions for da T5 masters.

I want a good fixture and the Fauna-marin 6 x 48 fixture meets my needs (don't need the power of the Solar Flare but want integrated cooling)

Some ??? on the FM:

Reflector quality vs Ice cap --- performance and stain/corrosion resistance?

What type of Ballast? Is it designed for T5

Thanks in advance

HowardW
03/15/2007, 07:58 AM
<<< Anyone know what the differences are between a NO T5 bulb and a HO T5 bulb, and what would happen if I used a NO 48" 28W T5 bulb in a fixture now running 54W bulbs? >>>



anyone??

TropTrea
03/15/2007, 08:27 AM
Generaly speaking the ballast determines the maximium wattage you can have on it and does not determine the minimium.

So if you had a Ballast designed for say 4 54 bulbs it is designed to run up to 216 watts minimium. So you should be able to runn any combination of bulbs that total 216 watts or less.

Now for the kicker. This depends considerably on the individual allast design. But there are basicly two main cuircuits in a ballast the starting circuit and the run circuit. Some ballasts monitor the current draw on the run circuit to determine when to turn off the starting cuircuit. Some use a fixed time intereval to run the start circuit. However if yours uses a current sensor on the run cuircuit to determine when to shut off the start circuit then it is a matter of what your total running current draw is and what the sensativity is set for. So if your running 4- 28 watt bulbs that current draw will be around 0.93 Amps while the ballast is expecting to see 1.80 watts. Chances are the sense point is set higher than .93 Amps therefore the ballast may not switch out of the start mode.

Dennis



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481639#post9481639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardW
<<< Anyone know what the differences are between a NO T5 bulb and a HO T5 bulb, and what would happen if I used a NO 48" 28W T5 bulb in a fixture now running 54W bulbs? >>>



anyone??

toddman74
03/15/2007, 09:09 AM
advice needed... I currently have 2 x 65watt Power compacts on my 15gal frag tank. for a total of 130watt over a 12" tall tank.
Been thinking about changing to T5 24watts. is 4 x 24watts good enough? better or worst than 2x65watt PC's in terms of brightness/intensity and for coral growth?

goreefer
03/15/2007, 09:43 AM
toddman,
With 4x24 you will have about twice as much par as you had with the 2x65 pc's.
I did the a similar thing a few months ago, except I went form 4x65pc's to 4x24 T5's and ended up with more light.
The T5's ROCK!!!

harday
03/15/2007, 09:49 AM
to "the Grim Reefer" -

I posted a lighting question in the lighting forum, and was told "you are the man" to answer it. Here goes - I have a 90g AGA - 48" long by 24" deep. I have a lot of live rock with soft corals and fish, and want an anenome down the road. I will not ever have a clam or hard corals. I am returning a PC fixture and want to buy a T5 fixture. I AM A LIGHTING IDIOT.

I am looking at the Tek fixture, which I hear is good. I don't want a heat issue, and I don't want overkill, but I want the best lighting to do the job and make things look their best (colors on fish "pop"). So, 4 bulb or 6 bulb? Consensus seems to be 6 bulb, but again, I want to keep heat to a minimum. Second question - which bulbs do I get to achieve the best look? I notice that some go on one timer and some on the other, and again, I just have no idea what to do. Can you please help me?

I also hear the aquatinics 5 bulb is a good one, but again, no idea on how many bulbs is best and which ones to get. If you have any questions that I need to answer to help in guidance, fire away....THANK YOU!

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 10:33 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9481628#post9481628 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dsieber
After 2 weeks I have finally finished this epic thread. I have some questions for da T5 masters.

I want a good fixture and the Fauna-marin 6 x 48 fixture meets my needs (don't need the power of the Solar Flare but want integrated cooling)

Some ??? on the FM:

Reflector quality vs Ice cap --- performance and stain/corrosion resistance?

What type of Ballast? Is it designed for T5

Thanks in advance

The reflectors on the Fauna Marin are not great. I was able to teporarily squeeze 5 aquactinics reflectors in the unit and even ill fitting the PAR picked up from 292 to 363 at the sand. The thing is it picked up from 292 to 363!!! we're talking 250 watt halide in a Lumenarc terratory here.

The way the lamps and ballasts are cooled is obviously giving the Fauna Marin unit a huge gain in output despite the reflectors. There is no overdrive here either. The VS ballasts are standard T5 ballasts. Until the ATI hits the market there isn't any competition for this fixture. The Solar Flare will be stronger and the Aquactinics 5 lamp fixture will be less.

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 10:41 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9482605#post9482605 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by harday
to "the Grim Reefer" -

I posted a lighting question in the lighting forum, and was told "you are the man" to answer it. Here goes - I have a 90g AGA - 48" long by 24" deep. I have a lot of live rock with soft corals and fish, and want an anenome down the road. I will not ever have a clam or hard corals. I am returning a PC fixture and want to buy a T5 fixture. I AM A LIGHTING IDIOT.

I am looking at the Tek fixture, which I hear is good. I don't want a heat issue, and I don't want overkill, but I want the best lighting to do the job and make things look their best (colors on fish "pop"). So, 4 bulb or 6 bulb? Consensus seems to be 6 bulb, but again, I want to keep heat to a minimum. Second question - which bulbs do I get to achieve the best look? I notice that some go on one timer and some on the other, and again, I just have no idea what to do. Can you please help me?

I also hear the aquatinics 5 bulb is a good one, but again, no idea on how many bulbs is best and which ones to get. If you have any questions that I need to answer to help in guidance, fire away....THANK YOU!

If you were an idiot you wouldn't be asking questions:D

I think the aquactinics would be a great fit in your situation.

I'd try this for lamps (reefgeek has the lamps if the Aquactinics dealer doesn't)

Front

Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue

The 2nd and 4th lamps are on a seperate circuit so that gives you the Super Actinic and a Blue Plus for dusk/dawn.

harday
03/15/2007, 01:15 PM
Thank you SO much - and yes, I am still a lighting idiot. Thanks again for the advice. I'm going to run with this and see how it looks. . .

harrisagogetter
03/15/2007, 02:54 PM
After reading several posts, I think that my tank would be better served with T-5's and not halides. The lights are pendants and hang over the suface about 8" or so. What combo will be good for the tank? Should I build a canopy for it? I like the look of a 14-15k region. Any bulb configuration would greatly help also. Obvisiouly icecap is way to go as far as the ballasts are concered, along with the reflectors.

stixjew
03/15/2007, 03:12 PM
Hi i was wondering if anyone has any comments about aqua z reflectors, http://www.reefculture.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45&products_id=214&osCsid=b2e03adea3452a2083c2ead444e23ef8
INterested to hear your views.cheers

dsieber
03/15/2007, 04:03 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by dsieber
After 2 weeks I have finally finished this epic thread. I have some questions for da T5 masters.

I want a good fixture and the Fauna-marin 6 x 48 fixture meets my needs (don't need the power of the Solar Flare but want integrated cooling)

Some ??? on the FM:

Reflector quality vs Ice cap --- performance and stain/corrosion resistance?

What type of Ballast? Is it designed for T5

Thanks in advance
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The reflectors on the Fauna Marin are not great. I was able to teporarily squeeze 5 aquactinics reflectors in the unit and even ill fitting the PAR picked up from 292 to 363 at the sand. The thing is it picked up from 292 to 363!!! we're talking 250 watt halide in a Lumenarc terratory here.

The way the lamps and ballasts are cooled is obviously giving the Fauna Marin unit a huge gain in output despite the reflectors. There is no overdrive here either. The VS ballasts are standard T5 ballasts. Until the ATI hits the market there isn't any competition for this fixture. The Solar Flare will be stronger and the Aquactinics 5 lamp fixture will be less.


__________________

Grim thanks for the quick response;

Grim/Hahnmeister

Given the Ultra Solaris comes with AquaScience bulbs what would you recomend for a good white with a hint of blue. What supplemental bulbs should I get that are not addressed by the AS line for a 6 x 48 system. I currently just have softies and LPS.

dsieber
03/15/2007, 04:03 PM
double post.

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 05:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9485319#post9485319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stixjew
Hi i was wondering if anyone has any comments about aqua z reflectors, http://www.reefculture.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45&products_id=214&osCsid=b2e03adea3452a2083c2ead444e23ef8
INterested to hear your views.cheers

Not good at all. They look similar to Ice Cap but are not the same material.

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 05:46 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9485739#post9485739 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dsieber
quote:
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Originally posted by dsieber
After 2 weeks I have finally finished this epic thread. I have some questions for da T5 masters.

I want a good fixture and the Fauna-marin 6 x 48 fixture meets my needs (don't need the power of the Solar Flare but want integrated cooling)

Some ??? on the FM:

Reflector quality vs Ice cap --- performance and stain/corrosion resistance?

What type of Ballast? Is it designed for T5

Thanks in advance
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The reflectors on the Fauna Marin are not great. I was able to teporarily squeeze 5 aquactinics reflectors in the unit and even ill fitting the PAR picked up from 292 to 363 at the sand. The thing is it picked up from 292 to 363!!! we're talking 250 watt halide in a Lumenarc terratory here.

The way the lamps and ballasts are cooled is obviously giving the Fauna Marin unit a huge gain in output despite the reflectors. There is no overdrive here either. The VS ballasts are standard T5 ballasts. Until the ATI hits the market there isn't any competition for this fixture. The Solar Flare will be stronger and the Aquactinics 5 lamp fixture will be less.


__________________

Grim thanks for the quick response;

Grim/Hahnmeister

Given the Ultra Solaris comes with AquaScience bulbs what would you recomend for a good white with a hint of blue. What supplemental bulbs should I get that are not addressed by the AS line for a 6 x 48 system. I currently just have softies and LPS.

2 blues, 1 Duo, 2 Special, 1 UVL Super actinic

rsaavedra
03/15/2007, 06:13 PM
Grim since you have proven to be the T5 guru at least on my eyes let me tell you what I plan and what I want: I’m looking to wire 2X54W T5’s and 1X110W VHO to the same ballast which it will be 218W and wouldn't to overdrive the bulbs like an icecap 430 ballast would. What ballast you recommend or is it even possible to do.

Right now tank is a 90G running 5X54W T5's B2F:
AB+
Pure Act
Midday
Act+
AB+

All this is going on a 120G which I plan on running 6X54W T5's and 1X110W VHO, B2F:
Act+
AB+
VHO Super Act
Midday
AB+
Pure Act or Act+
AB+

Current tank is Mixed Reef LPS/Softies dominated with an SPS hint. LMK what my options are.

Thanks a million,
Raf

harday
03/15/2007, 07:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9483090#post9483090 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
If you were an idiot you wouldn't be asking questions:D

I think the aquactinics would be a great fit in your situation.

I'd try this for lamps (reefgeek has the lamps if the Aquactinics dealer doesn't)

Front

Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue

The 2nd and 4th lamps are on a seperate circuit so that gives you the Super Actinic and a Blue Plus for dusk/dawn.

Grim - for the Aquablue, is this the 12000K Aquablue Special by ATI, or the 11000K Aquablue Plus by Giesmann?

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 09:54 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9486714#post9486714 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsaavedra
Grim since you have proven to be the T5 guru at least on my eyes let me tell you what I plan and what I want: I’m looking to wire 2X54W T5’s and 1X110W VHO to the same ballast which it will be 218W and wouldn't to overdrive the bulbs like an icecap 430 ballast would. What ballast you recommend or is it even possible to do.

Right now tank is a 90G running 5X54W T5's B2F:
AB+
Pure Act
Midday
Act+
AB+

All this is going on a 120G which I plan on running 6X54W T5's and 1X110W VHO, B2F:
Act+
AB+
VHO Super Act
Midday
AB+
Pure Act or Act+
AB+

Current tank is Mixed Reef LPS/Softies dominated with an SPS hint. LMK what my options are.

Thanks a million,
Raf

There is only one way to run a T5 on the same ballast as a VHO. Ice Cap. You could prabably do it with a Workhorse 7 but I am not sure. I know you can with the IC 660.

Looks like a nice setup but unless you like a lot of blue you might consider adding in a GE 6500K in place of a Actinic Plus or Aquablue.

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 09:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9487639#post9487639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by harday
Grim - for the Aquablue, is this the 12000K Aquablue Special by ATI, or the 11000K Aquablue Plus by Giesmann?

I prefer ATI but either will work.

Mr D smack
03/15/2007, 11:14 PM
I have six T-5 54W icecap retro kit on my 120 long. I love the appearance of the lights. My ? is some of the corals are loosing their color and they have stopped growing. I have 3 blue bulbs and three white. I belive the blue are pure antics and the white are anic, 50/50 looking. What can I do to get the color back and growing. I had these corals in a 225 gal with three 250W MH and 2 VHO's. Before I changed tanks the corals had great color and growth.

The Grim Reefer
03/15/2007, 11:34 PM
Maybe the lamps are old. Have you been running fans?

stixjew
03/16/2007, 06:47 AM
A word of thanks to Grim and co for a sustained very informative and relentless effort to all us newbies out there there with persistent bombardment of questions regarding T-5.Without doubt the most in depth information i have come across, ive' absorbed every page and have learn't a bloody swag, well done fella's.

Since i live in Australia and have a slightly limited choice of solid brand names recomended here, i will definately go with the Ice cap reflectors (available here but not ballasts?)and maybe pair them with the Osram e- ballast since that is readily available over here - not too sure if that is the best option available?. Have emailed reefgeek to see if the ice cap ballasts will work off our different (240 volt, active- netrual and earth 3 pin system over here) house wiring.I hope they do! Also our bulb range is a little limited with the best brands like geisman, uvl, ati being either non existent or very expensive. Others such as Aqua v, sylvania and hagen are much cheaper tho it may be worth ordering overseas if the bulbs survive the journey.Cheers

charlesjordanjr
03/16/2007, 07:31 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9465527#post9465527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
The GE 3000K had a little more PAR than the 6500K, I probably wouldn't try it with just 4 lamps.

ATI

Sun Pro 357
Aquablue 336
Blue Plus 311
Actinic 137

D&D/Giesemann

Midday 325
Aquablue 324
Actinic Plus 264
Pure Actinic 157

UVL

Aqua sun 345
Actinic White 293
Super Actinic 210

AquaZ

Sun Pro 285
Ocean Pro 323
Blue Pro 266

Helios

Daylight 309
Super Blue 225

Current Sun Paq

Daylight 10K 272
Blue 252

GE Daylight 340

How deep in the tank were these PAR levels measured? Do you have a link to MH Par levels at a similar depth?
Thanks!
-Chuck

charlesjordanjr
03/16/2007, 07:33 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9489470#post9489470 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Have you been running fans?

I have a 7" Walmart clip on fan. Would that be too much air for the bulbs? (I have a 6 bulb Tek Fixture)
-Chuck

jennmac415
03/16/2007, 08:01 AM
well I received my 72" 14 bulb aquactinic fixture a couple of weeks ago...and last night I ordered my bulbs...I went with the ones that you suggested Grim...

FRONT

ATI Blue plus
UVL Super actinic
GE daylight
ATI Blue plus
GE Daylight
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aquablue

Considering that the 1, 4, and 7 bulb are on one switch and the 3, 5 are on another and then the 2, 6 on one also...are they in the order that I will want them for these switches the way they are so that I can have the dusk/dawn/dusk ??

Also, thanks so much for all the good advice on this thread.. I don't know how you keep up with it, Grim and everyone else that contributes to it...

Jenni

TropTrea
03/16/2007, 08:03 AM
Very often sudden changes in the lighting can cause changes in color as well as the growth rate of corals. Each coral has multiple chemicals that absord particular frequencies of light and atribute to the growth and coloration of the coral. The corals are very adaptive and will adjust the ratio of these chemicals to make the best use of available light. When the peak frequencies change it causes that balance to to shift and the corals need to go through a readjustment period.

Now you noted your prior lighting was 3 250 Watt MH units plus 2 VHO bulbs. What were the brands and the color temps of these bulbs. You now have 6-T5's and idealy you should match them to initially give you as simular light as possible to your old lighting set up. Since you cannot duplicate it there will be an adaptive period for your corals. Once this adaptive period is over than you slowly change out one bulb at a time to change the spectrum to where you like it visually with waiting a few weeks between each change giving your corals a chance to adjust to these more conservative changes.

It sould also be noted that you can frag out a specific coral into 6 different frags.
Put each frag into a tank with slightly different lighting. Then compare them a year later it it is not unusual to see drastic color differences between the corals coleration.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9489381#post9489381 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr D smack
I have six T-5 54W icecap retro kit on my 120 long. I love the appearance of the lights. My ? is some of the corals are loosing their color and they have stopped growing. I have 3 blue bulbs and three white. I belive the blue are pure antics and the white are anic, 50/50 looking. What can I do to get the color back and growing. I had these corals in a 225 gal with three 250W MH and 2 VHO's. Before I changed tanks the corals had great color and growth.

TropTrea
03/16/2007, 08:18 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490416#post9490416 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stixjew


Have emailed reefgeek to see if the ice cap ballasts will work off our different (240 volt, active- netrual and earth 3 pin system over here) house wiring.I hope they do! Also our bulb range is a little limited with the best brands like geisman, uvl, ati being either non existent or very expensive. Others such as Aqua v, sylvania and hagen are much cheaper tho it may be worth ordering overseas if the bulbs survive the journey.Cheers

One option I had found when working between Erope and the US for several year is that there are power adaptors available. These adaptors will take your 240 Volt house power and correctly convert it to 120 volts so you can use the American fixtures.

Simularly individuals looking at eropean fixtures can get addaptors to convert there 120V house current to 220 or 240 volts.

The only remaining issue is the difference is cycles with the US on 60 Hz, Western Europe on 50 hx, and some other contries on even lower hertz. For lighting this should make a huge difference if any.

Dennis

AJtheReefer
03/16/2007, 08:27 AM
Can someone recommend (a plug and play) fan for the tek fixtures. I'm changing the lamps on my unit and would like to run a fan to help with heat, lamp efficiency, etc.
I'm using the SLS legs, and not suspending the unit.

Thanks

harday
03/16/2007, 08:37 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9483090#post9483090 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
If you were an idiot you wouldn't be asking questions:D

I think the aquactinics would be a great fit in your situation.

I'd try this for lamps (reefgeek has the lamps if the Aquactinics dealer doesn't)

Front

Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue

The 2nd and 4th lamps are on a seperate circuit so that gives you the Super Actinic and a Blue Plus for dusk/dawn.

GRIM - Aquarium Specialty does not carry the ATI line. At Reefgeek, the Blue Plus and Aquablue are on backorder for up to 6 weeks. If I can replace the ATI Aquablue Special with the Aquablue Plus by Giesemann, is there a Giesemann or UVL bulb I could use instead of the ATI Blue Plus? Then, I could order everything from Aquarium Specialty right away. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 10:06 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490416#post9490416 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stixjew
A word of thanks to Grim and co for a sustained very informative and relentless effort to all us newbies out there there with persistent bombardment of questions regarding T-5.Without doubt the most in depth information i have come across, ive' absorbed every page and have learn't a bloody swag, well done fella's.

Since i live in Australia and have a slightly limited choice of solid brand names recomended here, i will definately go with the Ice cap reflectors (available here but not ballasts?)and maybe pair them with the Osram e- ballast since that is readily available over here - not too sure if that is the best option available?. Have emailed reefgeek to see if the ice cap ballasts will work off our different (240 volt, active- netrual and earth 3 pin system over here) house wiring.I hope they do! Also our bulb range is a little limited with the best brands like geisman, uvl, ati being either non existent or very expensive. Others such as Aqua v, sylvania and hagen are much cheaper tho it may be worth ordering overseas if the bulbs survive the journey.Cheers

Go with sylvania if they have the right colors available. They are the OEM for ATI's lamps.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 10:09 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490633#post9490633 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by charlesjordanjr
How deep in the tank were these PAR levels measured? Do you have a link to MH Par levels at a similar depth?
Thanks!
-Chuck

These were not taken in a tank. The numbers are only good for comparison of the lamps measured in that thread.

Hahnmeister has some T5/Halide PAR readings with pictures. He has numerous posts in this thread, PM him and I am sure he can give you a link.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 10:13 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490640#post9490640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by charlesjordanjr
I have a 7" Walmart clip on fan. Would that be too much air for the bulbs? (I have a 6 bulb Tek Fixture)
-Chuck

I would want a fan at each end blowing near the end caps. Not sure if your single fan is cooling enough but I bet its close.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 10:16 AM
Start with 2&6, then add in 1,3&5 and 2&4 last.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9490778#post9490778 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jennmac415
well I received my 72" 14 bulb aquactinic fixture a couple of weeks ago...and last night I ordered my bulbs...I went with the ones that you suggested Grim...

FRONT

ATI Blue plus
UVL Super actinic
GE daylight
ATI Blue plus
GE Daylight
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aquablue

Considering that the 1, 4, and 7 bulb are on one switch and the 3, 5 are on another and then the 2, 6 on one also...are they in the order that I will want them for these switches the way they are so that I can have the dusk/dawn/dusk ??

Also, thanks so much for all the good advice on this thread.. I don't know how you keep up with it, Grim and everyone else that contributes to it...

Jenni

55semireef
03/16/2007, 11:09 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9479918#post9479918 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Swap out a pure actinic for a Blue Plus.

What kind of difference will that make?

harday
03/16/2007, 11:37 AM
Grim - not sure if this last post made on it here - it's not showing up on my screen?? Thanks for your help!!


quote:
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Originally posted by The Grim Reefer
If you were an idiot you wouldn't be asking questions

I think the aquactinics would be a great fit in your situation.

I'd try this for lamps (reefgeek has the lamps if the Aquactinics dealer doesn't)

Front

Blue Plus
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue

The 2nd and 4th lamps are on a seperate circuit so that gives you the Super Actinic and a Blue Plus for dusk/dawn.
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GRIM - Aquarium Specialty does not carry the ATI line. At Reefgeek, the Blue Plus and Aquablue are on backorder for up to 6 weeks. If I can replace the ATI Aquablue Special with the Aquablue Plus by Giesemann, is there a Giesemann or UVL bulb I could use instead of the ATI Blue Plus? Then, I could order everything from Aquarium Specialty right away. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!

chrismhaase
03/16/2007, 01:55 PM
The Grim Reefer- what do you think about this one on a 72 bf? Or even a 90? I would like to have clams, sps, lps, and a mixture of softies. http://www.hellolights.com/488lateklit5.html Also what lights should I get and in what order where bulb 1 is the front??? Could I get 8?

55semireef
03/16/2007, 02:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9493411#post9493411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrismhaase
The Grim Reefer- what do you think about this one on a 72 bf? Or even a 90? I would like to have clams, sps, lps, and a mixture of softies. http://www.hellolights.com/488lateklit5.html Also what lights should I get and in what order where bulb 1 is the front??? Could I get 8?

I am definately not The Grim Reefer but that lighting Tek T5 fixture with the individual reflectors would imo be great for a 90 and even better for a 72.

chrismhaase
03/16/2007, 04:03 PM
Grim or whoever,

My buddy has a 110 TALL and is about to replace his lighting. He has a 2 x 250 10k MH, and two acticnic t12(vhos). He wants to replace it with a 2x400 MH plus some t-5s. Could he go all t-5s and still do hard corals or does he need MH to get to the bottom.

55semireef
03/16/2007, 04:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9494391#post9494391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrismhaase
Grim or whoever,

My buddy has a 110 TALL and is about to replace his lighting. He has a 2 x 250 10k MH, and two acticnic t12(vhos). He wants to replace it with a 2x400 MH plus some t-5s. Could he go all t-5s and still do hard corals or does he need MH to get to the bottom. I would have some MH just because you can fit a lot more watts in that amount of space. With T5s you will be cramming for space with your refroits.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 05:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9492149#post9492149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
What kind of difference will that make?

The blue plus will rock your world. It is a 20K blue color that gives a different look than a actinic. LPS look really cool under them.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 05:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9493411#post9493411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrismhaase
The Grim Reefer- what do you think about this one on a 72 bf? Or even a 90? I would like to have clams, sps, lps, and a mixture of softies. http://www.hellolights.com/488lateklit5.html Also what lights should I get and in what order where bulb 1 is the front??? Could I get 8?

Get this instead

http://www.reefgeek.com/product/48_inch__Tek_Light:_6-54W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_(Blue)_-_LIMITED_EDITION_by_Sunlight_Supply

Link is funky, look for the Tek 6 lamp limited edition fixture

It has newer betterer:D reflectors and will fit better over the tank

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 05:19 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9494391#post9494391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrismhaase
Grim or whoever,

My buddy has a 110 TALL and is about to replace his lighting. He has a 2 x 250 10k MH, and two acticnic t12(vhos). He wants to replace it with a 2x400 MH plus some t-5s. Could he go all t-5s and still do hard corals or does he need MH to get to the bottom.

Why the 400 watt halides? How tall is the tank? What does he have for ballasts and reflectors?

I would look at upgrading to the Lumenmax reflectors sunlight supply has. A couple of those with good 250 watt lamps is plenty of PAR.

vthondaboi
03/16/2007, 05:48 PM
Ok so I have my Solar Flare up and running.

Bulbs are as so:
Front
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Actinic White
UVL Aquasun
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Actinic White
UVL Aquasun

I wish it had a bit of a bluer hue to it. Any Suggestions for bulbs that one can usually find locally?

55semireef
03/16/2007, 06:09 PM
I wonder how long that blue limited edition will stay out for?

Grim, should I get the Aquablue plus made by ATI or GE? I heard ATI has a little bit better PAR and lasts just as long as GE.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 07:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495141#post9495141 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vthondaboi
Ok so I have my Solar Flare up and running.

Bulbs are as so:
Front
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Actinic White
UVL Aquasun
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Actinic White
UVL Aquasun

I wish it had a bit of a bluer hue to it. Any Suggestions for bulbs that one can usually find locally?

ATI Blue Plus or Geisemann Actinic Plus either one will help/ I would get 2 and replace one actinic white and 1 Aquasun.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 07:05 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495277#post9495277 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
I wonder how long that blue limited edition will stay out for?

Grim, should I get the Aquablue plus made by ATI or GE? I heard ATI has a little bit better PAR and lasts just as long as GE.

Those are both close. In your case I would get the Blue Plus or Actinic Plus. Not the Aquablues. They are a crisp white with a slight blue hue. You need a blue lamp. The Giesemann brand name for their blue is Actinic Plus. If you cant find the ATI (blue Plus) version get that.

55semireef
03/16/2007, 07:11 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495661#post9495661 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Those are both close. In your case I would get the Blue Plus or Actinic Plus. Not the Aquablues. They are a crisp white with a slight blue hue. You need a blue lamp. The Giesemann brand name for their blue is Actinic Plus. If you cant find the ATI (blue Plus) version get that.

Oh, ok. While I am switching one of my pure actinic with either a ATI Blue Plus or a Giesemann Actinic Plus, should I switch out my either pure actinic with another bulb as well? What good does a pure actinic do anyways besides waste electricity and give your tank a purple effect?

chrismhaase
03/16/2007, 07:28 PM
Grim Reefer- first of all thanks for that recommendation on my lights. For my buddy with the 110 tall, it is 48long by 18 deep by 30 tall.

right now he has 2 250w 10k double ended bulbs with 2 actinics. He was thinking 2 400w double ended with t-5s to complement. Would you agree that this is a good choice, or should he do something different?

Gracias.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 07:39 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495694#post9495694 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Oh, ok. While I am switching one of my pure actinic with either a ATI Blue Plus or a Giesemann Actinic Plus, should I switch out my either pure actinic with another bulb as well? What good does a pure actinic do anyways besides waste electricity and give your tank a purple effect?

The pure actinics pop green fluorescence really good. Its good to have one in the mix.

55semireef
03/16/2007, 07:44 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495880#post9495880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
The pure actinics pop green fluorescence really good. Its good to have one in the mix.

Yes they do. That's the only reason why I like them but definately not two.

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 07:44 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9495812#post9495812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrismhaase
Grim Reefer- first of all thanks for that recommendation on my lights. For my buddy with the 110 tall, it is 48long by 18 deep by 30 tall.

right now he has 2 250w 10k double ended bulbs with 2 actinics. He was thinking 2 400w double ended with t-5s to complement. Would you agree that this is a good choice, or should he do something different?

Gracias.

I would just get good reflectors for the 250 DE's unless he wants to run 20K halides. As far as the T5's it depends. If he runs 10K lamps for halides Blue Plus T5's are a good addition. If he runs 14 or 20K halides the VHO actinics are a better suppliment.

Steve 926
03/16/2007, 08:16 PM
Hello Grim.
Hope to get your opinion on wether to use a 4, 5, or 6 lamp T5 unit for a 36 x 20h (16 with 4"DSB) x 15w acrylic. I like the 6 lamp version, It will just fit (15 1/2 wide I think) & adjustable end supports can be used. I am concerned that a 6 lamp unit may be too intense for some of the softies, and possibly bleach other corals. Will the TX5 Aqua. unit (nice to have the fan), or a 4 lamp T5 fixture give me enough spread from front to back . The ATI T5 fixtures are nice & have an active cooling, but can only be hung by a cable system & I don't know if I need all of that intensity or par. I'm NEW to all of this, but I have been researching everything I can think of along with this thread.

AS ALWAYS !

Thanks For A Reply.

Steve 926

The Grim Reefer
03/16/2007, 10:51 PM
Go with the Aquactinics 5 lamp fixture. Should be a good fit.

jennmac415
03/16/2007, 11:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9491743#post9491743 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Start with 2&6, then add in 1,3&5 and 2&4 last.

Grim...thanks but you used bulb number 2 twice could you tell me again in which order to have them come on???

thanks for all your help!

Jenni

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 01:55 AM
Damn my eyes:D

2&6, 1,4&7 and then 3&5. That should be how the ballasts are paired on the cords. I couldn't have missed that more if I tried. Sorry.

blot60
03/17/2007, 04:22 AM
OK Grim. I tried to find the answer myself but couldnt find the exact one so here goes. I am putting together a 120 gal. 48x24x24. i want to keep some rics, leathers, clams, lps and some sps. I was thinking about IceCap 8x54 retro. Would that be overkill? Should I go 6 bulb? Which bulbs? Thanks alot. You da mang. Also should I use my glass lid?

Mr D smack
03/17/2007, 05:44 AM
The lighting I had before was 3-250W MH 14K I belive made by Corallife not really forsure on the brand. The vho was supper antic. I'm running fans ove the T-5, and this is all brand new. I did give some thought to the new lighting issue and now that TropTrea said it again. This sound more logical. Thank you guys

printedpaper
03/17/2007, 10:00 AM
Hey Grimm, have you ever done a comparision on VHO vs T-5? I'm considering a 4x110 VHO and a 4x54 t-5 w/o being overdriven. What do you suggest? Thanks.

todot62
03/17/2007, 10:04 AM
Grim,

I read this thread and gathered much important info. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have had a little 14g BioCube for about six months and am in the process of putting together a 70g Oceanic reef ready system (36.5x18.5x25). We are going to use a canopy and, because of this thread, t-5 lighting. I'm not sure what all I will put in yet but I want to have a lighting system that will give me plenty of options. I went to Reef Geek and was looking at installing 4 of the 36" Ready Fit: 2-39W T5 HO Retrofit Kit. My questions:

Will this fit and be enough light for most needs?

In your opinion what lamps would you choose and in what order would install them?

Again thanks for all your help-->Tod

jennmac415
03/17/2007, 10:13 AM
Thanks Grim! LOL I see where we are the same age, so I know exactly what you mean about your eyes... I finally had to give in and get glasses! Its tough gettin old! All your help has been great... thanks so much!

I will be sure and post a pic of the tank once I fianlly get it up.

Jenni

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 10:53 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9498084#post9498084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blot60
OK Grim. I tried to find the answer myself but couldnt find the exact one so here goes. I am putting together a 120 gal. 48x24x24. i want to keep some rics, leathers, clams, lps and some sps. I was thinking about IceCap 8x54 retro. Would that be overkill? Should I go 6 bulb? Which bulbs? Thanks alot. You da mang. Also should I use my glass lid?

If you want to have all that different stuff you would probably be better off with halides. If you hit the sand with enough intensity to keep clams happy you are going to have to give your softies umbrellas to keep from melting them down.

If you keep the SPS and clams up on the rocks I would say 8x54 Tek retro upgraded to IC reflectors would do. Keep the low light crits on the sand.

I would try this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Aquablue
GE 6500K Daylight or Giesemann Midday
Aquablue
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

tdawgnjlo
03/17/2007, 01:42 PM
Grim,

I am replacing my lights over a 75 gallon tank (6x54 with SLS reflectors not overdriven with Triads) and after reading this post and talking to Greg at Reefgeek, I was thinking about replacing my current bulbs with the following:

UVL Super Act
ATI Blue +
GE 3000K
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasum
ATI Blue +

I have replaced 3 of the 6 bulbs and am waiting on the ATI Blue + bulbs, so I currently have my old Geisman Actinic + bulbs in place of the Blue + above.

The corals and clams seem to be very happy with the bulb changes so far. I see greens, pinks, burgandy and yellow colors more vibrantly than I saw before, and the clams are flourescing more that before.

Is there a reason that you now seem to recommend GE 6500 over GE 3000K bulb in your recent posts? I know you don't recommend the GE 3000K for a 4 bulb configuration, but have recommended the GE 3000K bulb for 6 bulb configuration earlier in the post.

Should I expect to see any difference in the look of the tank once I get the 3 ATI Blue + bulbs installed in place of the Geissman Actinic + bulbs? Will the ATI bulbs enhance the blues and flouresce the tank even more?

Would you recommend an ATI Aquablue in place of one of the ATI Blue + bulbs. If so, what is your reasoning? Is your reasoning based more on how the tank looks , or greater coral growth rates, or both?

Thanks for all of your help. Your advice before is why we ended up with the SLS T5 HO lighting system when we first got into this hobby.

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 01:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9499234#post9499234 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by printedpaper
Hey Grimm, have you ever done a comparision on VHO vs T-5? I'm considering a 4x110 VHO and a 4x54 t-5 w/o being overdriven. What do you suggest? Thanks.

The T5's have a lot better output. Using a couple VHO's for actinics is always good.

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 01:59 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9499260#post9499260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by todot62
Grim,

I read this thread and gathered much important info. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have had a little 14g BioCube for about six months and am in the process of putting together a 70g Oceanic reef ready system (36.5x18.5x25). We are going to use a canopy and, because of this thread, t-5 lighting. I'm not sure what all I will put in yet but I want to have a lighting system that will give me plenty of options. I went to Reef Geek and was looking at installing 4 of the 36" Ready Fit: 2-39W T5 HO Retrofit Kit. My questions:

Will this fit and be enough light for most needs?

In your opinion what lamps would you choose and in what order would install them?

Again thanks for all your help-->Tod

If you can fit 4 in there I would try this.

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
Aquablue
GE 6500K
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

Steve 926
03/17/2007, 02:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9497321#post9497321 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Go with the Aquactinics 5 lamp fixture. Should be a good fit.

Thank You Grim for your time and patience

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 02:52 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9500393#post9500393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tdawgnjlo
Grim,

I am replacing my lights over a 75 gallon tank (6x54 with SLS reflectors not overdriven with Triads) and after reading this post and talking to Greg at Reefgeek, I was thinking about replacing my current bulbs with the following:

UVL Super Act
ATI Blue +
GE 3000K
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasum
ATI Blue +

I have replaced 3 of the 6 bulbs and am waiting on the ATI Blue + bulbs, so I currently have my old Geisman Actinic + bulbs in place of the Blue + above.

The corals and clams seem to be very happy with the bulb changes so far. I see greens, pinks, burgandy and yellow colors more vibrantly than I saw before, and the clams are flourescing more that before.

.

Is there a reason that you now seem to recommend GE 6500 over GE 3000K bulb in your recent posts? I know you don't recommend the GE 3000K for a 4 bulb configuration, but have recommended the GE 3000K bulb for 6 bulb configuration earlier in the post.

Should I expect to see any difference in the look of the tank once I get the 3 ATI Blue + bulbs installed in place of the Geissman Actinic + bulbs? Will the ATI bulbs enhance the blues and flouresce the tank even more?

Would you recommend an ATI Aquablue in place of one of the ATI Blue + bulbs. If so, what is your reasoning? Is your reasoning based more on how the tank looks , or greater coral growth rates, or both?

Thanks for all of your help. Your advice before is why we ended up with the SLS T5 HO lighting system when we first got into this hobby.

The aquablue is not nearly as blue as the blue plus. It is more of a white lamp with a blue hue.

I am a little hesitent to reco the GE 3000K in a 6 lamp mix unless people have ran T5's and have a basic understanding of the look. Not everybody likes the additional red. Seems like you're sold on it:D I am using 2 blues, 1 actinic, 1 super actinic, a 50/50 and a 3000K right now and love it

Steve 926
03/17/2007, 03:56 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9500537#post9500537 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Steve 926
Thank You Grim for your time and patience

TX5 Fixture

Choice 1

Front = Blue +
GE 6500K ~ 3000K ?
Super Actinic
Aqua sun
Blue +


Choice 2

Front = Aqua Blue
Super Actinic
Aqua Sun
Blue +
Blue+

Thanks for thr reply Grim

Steve :smokin:

The Grim Reefer
03/17/2007, 06:20 PM
Try this

Front

Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue

Steve 926
03/17/2007, 07:09 PM
Thank You !!

tdawgnjlo
03/17/2007, 07:13 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9500764#post9500764 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
The aquablue is not nearly as blue as the blue plus. It is more of a white lamp with a blue hue.

I am a little hesitent to reco the GE 3000K in a 6 lamp mix unless people have ran T5's and have a basic understanding of the look. Not everybody likes the additional red. Seems like you're sold on it:D I am using 2 blues, 1 actinic, 1 super actinic, a 50/50 and a 3000K right now and love it

Thanks Grim,

Do you think the tank will have a little more bluish tint once I get the 3 new ATI Blue +'s to replace the 3 old Geismann Actinic + bulbs, or look about the same as right now?

If someone wants to tone down the reds that you get with the GE3000K, would you go with the following:

UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue +
GE 6500
ATI Blue +

Regarding your lamp selection, do you mean ATI Blue + when you say "blues", Geismann Actinic + when you say "actinic", UVL Super Actinic when you say "super actinic", and ATI Aquablue when you say "50/50"?

chrismhaase
03/17/2007, 08:12 PM
GRIM REEFER-- All I have to say is YOU ARE DA BOMB. You are an encyclopedia of info. Thanks for your dedication to this thread and the hobby we all love. I appreciate your help as I am sure everyone else does as well. So thanks man, I know everyone else probably has the same feeling. Keep up the good work. Thanks--Chris

rsaavedra
03/18/2007, 09:00 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9486714#post9486714 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsaavedra
Grim since you have proven to be the T5 guru at least on my eyes let me tell you what I plan and what I want: I’m looking to wire 2X54W T5’s and 1X110W VHO to the same ballast which it will be 218W and wouldn't to overdrive the bulbs like an icecap 430 ballast would. What ballast you recommend or is it even possible to do.

Right now tank is a 90G running 5X54W T5's B2F:
AB+
Pure Act
Midday
Act+
AB+

All this is going on a 120G which I plan on running 6X54W T5's and 1X110W VHO, B2F:
Act+
AB+
VHO Super Act
Midday
AB+
Pure Act or Act+
AB+

Current tank is Mixed Reef LPS/Softies dominated with an SPS hint. LMK what my options are.

Thanks a million,
Raf
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9488902#post9488902 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
There is only one way to run a T5 on the same ballast as a VHO. Ice Cap. You could prabably do it with a Workhorse 7 but I am not sure. I know you can with the IC 660.

Looks like a nice setup but unless you like a lot of blue you might consider adding in a GE 6500K in place of a Actinic Plus or Aquablue.

Grim Thanks for your answer, after much thought I have taken the VHO out of the equation and going alll T5's, here is my question to you If you had to do a build line up on this tank based on the below what would you do to make everything flouresc at the same time give me good growth, all the bulbs on my setup have always been Giesemann but I'm open to all other brands ix as long as they have good growth rates. I want reds, oranges, greens, yellows, blues to jump-out, I want a blueish tank with a med strenght white. All this is going on a 120G which I plan on running 7X54W T5's B2F:
Act+ -- ?? Super Act? Pure Act?
AB+ -- ?? 12K
Super Act -- ??
Midday -- ??
AB+ -- ?? 12K or maybe a 3K
Pure Act -- ??
AB+ -- ?? 12K?

Help me mix it please.

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 09:51 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9505097#post9505097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsaavedra
Grim Thanks for your answer, after much thought I have taken the VHO out of the equation and going alll T5's, here is my question to you If you had to do a build line up on this tank based on the below what would you do to make everything flouresc at the same time give me good growth, all the bulbs on my setup have always been Giesemann but I'm open to all other brands ix as long as they have good growth rates. I want reds, oranges, greens, yellows, blues to jump-out, I want a blueish tank with a med strenght white. All this is going on a 120G which I plan on running 7X54W T5's B2F:
Act+ -- ?? Super Act? Pure Act?
AB+ -- ?? 12K
Super Act -- ??
Midday -- ??
AB+ -- ?? 12K or maybe a 3K
Pure Act -- ??
AB+ -- ?? 12K?

Help me mix it please.

Try this:

Act+ -- ?? Super Act? Pure Act? (((ATI Blue Plus)))
Super Act -- ??(((Super Actinic)))
AB+ -- ?? 12K or maybe a 3K (((Aquablue)))
(((GE 3000K or UVL Aquasun)))
Pure Act -- ??
((((ATI Blue Plus)))
AB+ -- ?? 12K?(((ATI Aquablue)))

Tony25
03/18/2007, 04:22 PM
Im thinking of getting this kit http://www.reefgeek.com/manufacturer/Sunlight_Supply/48_inch__Retrofit:_4-54W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_by_Sunlight_Supply what bulbs would you get ? Its my my 55 gallon tank.

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 05:04 PM
Try this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus

Or
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue

casingbill
03/18/2007, 05:47 PM
so, would you go with just t5's are a mh t5 combo?....all things considered

Tony25
03/18/2007, 06:05 PM
Whats the dif between the 2 setups? All these dif bulbs realy confuse me.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9507815#post9507815 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Try this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus

Or
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue

pulpol
03/18/2007, 10:00 PM
grim

is this a good fixture?http://cgi.ebay.com/T5-HO-Aquarium-light-60-inch-8-X-80-watt-new-with-bulbs_W0QQitemZ4318339294QQcategoryZ46314QQcmdZViewItem

thanks

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 10:18 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9508215#post9508215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tony25
Whats the dif between the 2 setups? All these dif bulbs realy confuse me.

The first combo will be a little more blue than the second one. Sorry, didn't notice I didn't add that to the post.

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 10:20 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9508097#post9508097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by casingbill
so, would you go with just t5's are a mh t5 combo?....all things considered

I would do both assuming there were no heat and space issues.

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 10:23 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510201#post9510201 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pulpol
grim

is this a good fixture?http://cgi.ebay.com/T5-HO-Aquarium-light-60-inch-8-X-80-watt-new-with-bulbs_W0QQitemZ4318339294QQcategoryZ46314QQcmdZViewItem

thanks

No reflectors. I wouldn't spend the $$$ on it unless you absolutly have to have a 60" T5 fixture.

tdawgnjlo
03/18/2007, 10:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9502200#post9502200 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tdawgnjlo
Thanks Grim,

Do you think the tank will have a little more bluish tint once I get the 3 new ATI Blue +'s to replace the 3 old Geismann Actinic + bulbs, or look about the same as right now?

If someone wants to tone down the reds that you get with the GE3000K, would you go with the following:

UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue +
GE 6500
ATI Blue +

Regarding your lamp selection, do you mean ATI Blue + when you say "blues", Geismann Actinic + when you say "actinic", UVL Super Actinic when you say "super actinic", and ATI Aquablue when you say "50/50"?

Grim,

I posted above and you missed it. Did you have any more comment on the above questions?

Thanks again for all of your advice.

The Grim Reefer
03/18/2007, 11:06 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510486#post9510486 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tdawgnjlo
Grim,

I posted above and you missed it. Did you have any more comment on the above questions?

Thanks again for all of your advice.

What you listed would be nice.

If I say actinic I mean the ATI or Giesemann actinic lamps. Aquablue is either brand but I prefer ATI

franklinbeens
03/19/2007, 12:43 AM
hello, need some input.
what combo of t5's would i need to light up a 48x48x24?
i have a tek w/ (4) bulbs and maybe need an (8) light fixure.
or do you think i need (4) more for (16) total.
i am going to use my (2) vho's actinics . i plan on a low rock mound for sps + zoos
tia

hahnmeister
03/19/2007, 12:56 AM
For those interested in those Current Sunpaq retro kits... you might want to pick something else...

You can see the reflectors here... 3 bend POS reflectors...
http://www.current-usa.com/newsletter/issue1.html

The Grim Reefer
03/19/2007, 01:27 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510950#post9510950 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by franklinbeens
hello, need some input.
what combo of t5's would i need to light up a 48x48x24?
i have a tek w/ (4) bulbs and maybe need an (8) light fixure.
or do you think i need (4) more for (16) total.
i am going to use my (2) vho's actinics . i plan on a low rock mound for sps + zoos
tia

16 sounds about right

Tony25
03/19/2007, 07:44 AM
So your saying that the tek reflectors are alot better then the nova retro ones?
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510983#post9510983 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
For those interested in those Current Sunpaq retro kits... you might want to pick something else...

You can see the reflectors here... 3 bend POS reflectors...
http://www.current-usa.com/newsletter/issue1.html

Tony25
03/19/2007, 07:46 AM
SO the 1st one is more blue. What does that mean for me? Besides looks? WHat ones would my coral like better? I plan on adding some sps and clams to my tank as soon as i get the light. What one would be better for my coral? WOuld being too blue not look good? I just cant choose what to buy.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510299#post9510299 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
The first combo will be a little more blue than the second one. Sorry, didn't notice I didn't add that to the post.

The Grim Reefer
03/19/2007, 09:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9511814#post9511814 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tony25
SO the 1st one is more blue. What does that mean for me? Besides looks? WHat ones would my coral like better? I plan on adding some sps and clams to my tank as soon as i get the light. What one would be better for my coral? WOuld being too blue not look good? I just cant choose what to buy.

IMO neither is too blue. Color is very subjective. It is impossible for me to throw out a combo that is going to look the best to you. There really isn't going to be a huge difference in the output between the two but the one with the GE and Aquablue lamp will have a little more PAR.

Lostmind
03/19/2007, 06:53 PM
Ok, I have to jump on the bandwagon here.

I am looking to setup an open top tank, 36" by 24" by 24".

I am a big SPS fan, and I've seen all these T5 only tanks with killer sps.

My problem is that the T5 kits I see for 36" length are all quite narrow.

For example, the Aquactinics 36" TX5 Series, which is a 5 x 39w unit, is only 10" wide. Would I be better off to run two of these units side by side over my tank? Total of ~390w ((5x39w)x2) in lighting....

If I use two units, what kinda bulb config should I shoot for?

Or should I just go with a mix of a single 250W DE MH and some T5/actinic lighting in a single unit? (250w + (2x39W) for a total of 330w in lighting...

Up front cost is not so much of a concern, but monthly recurring and heat issues are...

Thanks!

The Grim Reefer
03/19/2007, 07:24 PM
Assuming you cant do a canopy I would do 2 4 lamp Tek lights.

Lostmind
03/19/2007, 07:39 PM
Thanks Grim!

skype
03/19/2007, 08:41 PM
Grim,
What kind of corals can I keep with a 3 x 54W T5 setup running on a icecap 660? My tank height is 16". I think I can only fit 3 t5 bulbs. so what can i keep with this setup?
thanks in advance

The Grim Reefer
03/19/2007, 09:29 PM
I wouldn't even overdrive. Just use good reflectors and standard ballasts.

skype
03/19/2007, 09:38 PM
how much is the icecap over driving? the reason for the 660 is because i already have it. i down graded from a 6ft tank using 80w bulbs. should i sell the 660 and get a different ballast? if so what kind? thx.. still learning a lot. ..

The Grim Reefer
03/20/2007, 01:47 AM
It will make the 54 watt lamps run a lot brighter than the 80 watt lamps. I would check with reefgeek and see if he has ballasts that will drive 1 lamp. If so grab a 2 lamp ballast and a 1 lamp one and use the single ballast for a dusk/dawn effect.

Overdriving 3 54 watt T5's over a 16" tall tank will be too bright for anything but the highest light critters.

causeofhim
03/20/2007, 09:43 AM
Hello Grim,
I am now buying for my 150 gal softie/LPS tank. I will be running three 80watt T5s overdriven by the 660. I would like to get a 14k look. Will these bulbs be the best choice: 1 GE 2 Actinic plus?
Thanks

skype
03/20/2007, 09:43 AM
thanks for your input.. how about running 2 lamp using the 660?
I really don't want to buy another ballast if I can use the 660 I already have.

The Grim Reefer
03/20/2007, 12:12 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9522078#post9522078 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by causeofhim
Hello Grim,
I am now buying for my 150 gal softie/LPS tank. I will be running three 80watt T5s overdriven by the 660. I would like to get a 14k look. Will these bulbs be the best choice: 1 GE 2 Actinic plus?
Thanks

That should be good. Get ATI Blue Plus lamps instead of the Actinic Plus if you can

MayoBoy
03/20/2007, 01:57 PM
65 gallon tank 18x36x24 high. LPS, zoas and mushrooms. Would 2x39 T-5 10,000K and 2x75 VHO actinic be sufficient? (I already have the VHO retro so that's static.)

TheGMan
03/20/2007, 02:25 PM
Nice thread!

Sorry if I missed it, but ....

I plan to get a 2x54 T5 retrofit for an existing canopy and would like recommendations on bulbs for a 55g fish only (or FOWLR) tank.

Thanks, G

The Grim Reefer
03/20/2007, 03:39 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9524120#post9524120 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MayoBoy
65 gallon tank 18x36x24 high. LPS, zoas and mushrooms. Would 2x39 T-5 10,000K and 2x75 VHO actinic be sufficient? (I already have the VHO retro so that's static.)

Should be fine.

The Grim Reefer
03/20/2007, 03:40 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9524364#post9524364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TheGMan
Nice thread!

Sorry if I missed it, but ....

I plan to get a 2x54 T5 retrofit for an existing canopy and would like recommendations on bulbs for a 55g fish only (or FOWLR) tank.

Thanks, G

I'd do 2 aquablues.

skype
03/20/2007, 03:59 PM
grim, would 2 -54watts lamps on 660 be good enough to have softies? thx.. and sorry for all the questions.

jamesdawson
03/20/2007, 05:59 PM
Hey Grim,

Do you have any more PAR testing numbers (or a summary thereof) of the Solar Flare, PowerModul, or Ultra-Solaris?

Enquiring minds (and future consumers) want to know!

Thanks,

James

Fish_Freek
03/20/2007, 06:06 PM
Grim..Just wanted to say thanks again for all the time you've put into this thread!!!!! You truly are an asset to this hobby!!

The Grim Reefer
03/20/2007, 06:25 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9525149#post9525149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by skype
grim, would 2 -54watts lamps on 660 be good enough to have softies? thx.. and sorry for all the questions.

You could if the lamps were mounted higher above the water to allow the light to spread enough to cover the tank.

rsaavedra
03/21/2007, 11:15 AM
Grim do you have any links of other people running the GE3K bulb on their tank just curious to look at others tanks to get ideas.

Raf

rsaavedra
03/21/2007, 11:15 AM
Grim do you have any links of other people running the GE3K bulb on their tank just curious to look at others tanks to get ideas.

Raf

The Grim Reefer
03/21/2007, 11:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9531888#post9531888 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsaavedra
Grim do you have any links of other people running the GE3K bulb on their tank just curious to look at others tanks to get ideas.

Raf

http://www.blogs.frags.org/showblog.php?bid=87

luckyfish
03/21/2007, 12:11 PM
Seeking input: After following this thread for quite a while I'm considering switching over to T-5s. My Tank is 60"x18"x19" with a shallow sand bed. I'd like to keep it a mixed reef, SPS, some LPs and eventually a clam. I have 2 Ice Cap 430s which I know will over drive 2 54 watt bulbs each. My questions are; would 4 54 wat bulbs be enough for this tank? What bulb combination would provide me with good coral color, less interested in growth except as it impacts coral health)?I also have the option of running VHO actinics as suplements. What are your thoughts?
Thanks

elzool
03/21/2007, 12:40 PM
Grim,

You had recommended the following combo to me and now I've seen the 3000k bulb in action and wondered what bulb I should pull out of this list?

Running on two IC660s.

Front
UVL Super Actinic
Blue Plus
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
Blue Plus
Blue Plus

Thanks!

BigEasy
03/21/2007, 01:12 PM
I'm not Grim but I have nearly the same bulb combo. I would take out a blue + and go front to back:
SA
AB
Aquasun
B+
3k
B+

and if that doesn't work switch the AB and the middle Blue+.

gant
03/21/2007, 01:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9500492#post9500492 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
If you can fit 4 in there I would try this.

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
Aquablue
GE 6500K
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

Thanks for the good info on this thread. I'm sold on the T5s and want to put them in a new tank (transferring softies, lps, sps from old tank under PC lighting). My new tank (45ish gal) is tricked up-- 36L x 12W x 24H. I'm going to set up a 4-5" DSB.

It looks like my best options are the 2-39 or 4-39 T5. I would appreciate any guidance on the following:

1) should I go for 2 or 4 lights?
2) if so, which lights should I get? (I don't follow the list above :confused: )
3) would 4 lights bake my softies?
4) Is this (http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5_Fluorescent/Sunlight_Supply/Tek_Retrofit_Kits/36_inch__Retrofit:_4-39W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_by_Sunlight_Supply) a decent buy or do I need the Ice Cap?

Sorry for any silly questions. I'm a T5 newb.

Ginzo
03/21/2007, 02:16 PM
For those interrested, here's some pics of my setup:

From left to right:
1- AquaScience Blue 22k - 39 watts
2- UVL Super Blue Actinics - 39 watts

MH 13k MegaChrome 150 watts - MH 13k MegaChrome 150 watts

3- UVL Super Blue Actinics - 39 watts
4- AquaScience Blue 22k - 39 watts

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/Daguwan/Picture027-1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/Daguwan/Picture021-2.jpg

raddogz
03/21/2007, 02:49 PM
Any recommendations for an overdriven six bulb setup for a 58g tank (36x18x21) - which bulbs. I do like the bluer look

The Grim Reefer
03/21/2007, 03:15 PM
That should be fine, just use good reflectors and lamps.

I'd do this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9532390#post9532390 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luckyfish
Seeking input: After following this thread for quite a while I'm considering switching over to T-5s. My Tank is 60"x18"x19" with a shallow sand bed. I'd like to keep it a mixed reef, SPS, some LPs and eventually a clam. I have 2 Ice Cap 430s which I know will over drive 2 54 watt bulbs each. My questions are; would 4 54 wat bulbs be enough for this tank? What bulb combination would provide me with good coral color, less interested in growth except as it impacts coral health)?I also have the option of running VHO actinics as suplements. What are your thoughts?
Thanks

The Grim Reefer
03/21/2007, 03:17 PM
You need 4. I'd do
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE6500K
Blue Plus


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9533276#post9533276 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gant
Thanks for the good info on this thread. I'm sold on the T5s and want to put them in a new tank (transferring softies, lps, sps from old tank under PC lighting). My new tank (45ish gal) is tricked up-- 36L x 12W x 24H. I'm going to set up a 4-5" DSB.

It looks like my best options are the 2-39 or 4-39 T5. I would appreciate any guidance on the following:

1) should I go for 2 or 4 lights?
2) if so, which lights should I get? (I don't follow the list above :confused: )
3) would 4 lights bake my softies?
4) Is this (http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5_Fluorescent/Sunlight_Supply/Tek_Retrofit_Kits/36_inch__Retrofit:_4-39W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_by_Sunlight_Supply) a decent buy or do I need the Ice Cap?

Sorry for any silly questions. I'm a T5 newb.

The Grim Reefer
03/21/2007, 03:22 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9533723#post9533723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by raddogz
Any recommendations for an overdriven six bulb setup for a 58g tank (36x18x21) - which bulbs. I do like the bluer look

Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Aquasun
Blue Plus
Aquablue
Blue Plus

jamesdawson
03/21/2007, 05:56 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9533460#post9533460 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ginzo
For those interrested, here's some pics of my setup:

From left to right:
1- AquaScience Blue 22k - 39 watts
2- UVL Super Blue Actinics - 39 watts

MH 13k MegaChrome 150 watts - MH 13k MegaChrome 150 watts

3- UVL Super Blue Actinics - 39 watts
4- AquaScience Blue 22k - 39 watts

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/Daguwan/Picture027-1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/Daguwan/Picture021-2.jpg

Thats a sweet setup Ginzo!

I'm probably going to eventually move to a similar type setup: T-5s for the main lighting and a 150 or 175 watt MH for additional lighting plus Glimmer Lines.

James

brandon0350
03/22/2007, 10:15 AM
im upgrading from a 40brdr to a 120. i am currently using 4 t5s right now with good results and would like to run t5s on the 120 also. would the aquactinics 48" 5 bulb fixture be enough to keep sps? i would run 2 blue plue, 2 aqua blue, and a super actinic. or i culd get a canopy and run a retro like im doing now. id prefer the fixture but if sps would be a problem would you make me some recomendation?

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 11:54 AM
If you need a fixture and are getting serious about SPS either a Solar Flare or get a canopy and run an Ice Cap retro or a Fauna Marine fixture in it.

84jeepjohn
03/22/2007, 01:59 PM
OK this is going over a 100G

I'm about to order a 2 bulb TEK retro. with IC reflectors. I'll get a 4 bulb (OD)later ($$$$) but my question is should I do a UVL super acitinic and an ATI aqua blue (12K) for now? I'd like some good florecence.

I've got my PC lights still on there (current USA dual sun and dual acitinic)

Wickedt1
03/22/2007, 02:26 PM
Hi,
I'm converting my reef tank to fishonly with live-rock and thinking of replacing my 4-400w MH to T-5s. I really don't need the lighting for 400w MHs anymore. I had lost all of my stock due one of my bulkheads leaking while my family and I were away on a trip. I'm assuming the tank was dry for a few days for all was dead when we got home. Not to mention burned out pumps and such.

Tank had been up for over 7 years but somehow the nut to the bulkhead had losened over time. Lesson learned, should periodically check the nuts on bulkheads. Especially when you have them mounted on the bottom of the tank.

I've finally gotten the motivation to restart up my tank and going the fishonly route this time, was too painful to lose so many corals. So anyhow...

My tank dimensions are 10'L x 3'W x 30"H.

My questions:
1. Will 8 - 54W 48"ers, 4 on each side (right & left), be enough to illuminate the full width of my tank (Front - Back)? Perhaps not enough spread, need more lights?

2. Will it look 'darkish' at the sand, perhaps I'll need to override the blubs to 80w?


Again this is for a fishonly with live-rock, no intensions of growing SPS or clams again. Just after low heat, low power consumption, and awesome lighting to bring out the coloring in the fish.

EDIT:
I'll be using a retro-kit with individual reflectors, either IceCap or the newer TeK (when available).

Any recommendations/options and blub selection will be more than welcome.

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 06:05 PM
Do the Aquablue and a Blue Plus


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9542731#post9542731 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 84jeepjohn
OK this is going over a 100G

I'm about to order a 2 bulb TEK retro. with IC reflectors. I'll get a 4 bulb (OD)later ($$$$) but my question is should I do a UVL super acitinic and an ATI aqua blue (12K) for now? I'd like some good florecence.

I've got my PC lights still on there (current USA dual sun and dual acitinic)

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 06:10 PM
I think you will need six rows. I would use all Aquablue lamps, they look bright and fish show up really well under them.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9542957#post9542957 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wickedt1
Hi,
I'm converting my reef tank to fishonly with live-rock and thinking of replacing my 4-400w MH to T-5s. I really don't need the lighting for 400w MHs anymore. I had lost all of my stock due one of my bulkheads leaking while my family and I were away on a trip. I'm assuming the tank was dry for a few days for all was dead when we got home. Not to mention burned out pumps and such.

Tank had been up for over 7 years but somehow the nut to the bulkhead had losened over time. Lesson learned, should periodically check the nuts on bulkheads. Especially when you have them mounted on the bottom of the tank.

I've finally gotten the motivation to restart up my tank and going the fishonly route this time, was too painful to lose so many corals. So anyhow...

My tank dimensions are 10'L x 3'W x 30"H.

My questions:
1. Will 8 - 54W 48"ers, 4 on each side (right & left), be enough to illuminate the full width of my tank (Front - Back)? Perhaps not enough spread, need more lights?

2. Will it look 'darkish' at the sand, perhaps I'll need to override the blubs to 80w?


Again this is for a fishonly with live-rock, no intensions of growing SPS or clams again. Just after low heat, low power consumption, and awesome lighting to bring out the coloring in the fish.

EDIT:
I'll be using a retro-kit with individual reflectors, either IceCap or the newer TeK (when available).

Any recommendations/options and blub selection will be more than welcome.

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 06:10 PM
I think you will need six rows. I would use all Aquablue lamps, they look bright and fish show up really well under them.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9542957#post9542957 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wickedt1
Hi,
I'm converting my reef tank to fishonly with live-rock and thinking of replacing my 4-400w MH to T-5s. I really don't need the lighting for 400w MHs anymore. I had lost all of my stock due one of my bulkheads leaking while my family and I were away on a trip. I'm assuming the tank was dry for a few days for all was dead when we got home. Not to mention burned out pumps and such.

Tank had been up for over 7 years but somehow the nut to the bulkhead had losened over time. Lesson learned, should periodically check the nuts on bulkheads. Especially when you have them mounted on the bottom of the tank.

I've finally gotten the motivation to restart up my tank and going the fishonly route this time, was too painful to lose so many corals. So anyhow...

My tank dimensions are 10'L x 3'W x 30"H.

My questions:
1. Will 8 - 54W 48"ers, 4 on each side (right & left), be enough to illuminate the full width of my tank (Front - Back)? Perhaps not enough spread, need more lights?

2. Will it look 'darkish' at the sand, perhaps I'll need to override the blubs to 80w?


Again this is for a fishonly with live-rock, no intensions of growing SPS or clams again. Just after low heat, low power consumption, and awesome lighting to bring out the coloring in the fish.

EDIT:
I'll be using a retro-kit with individual reflectors, either IceCap or the newer TeK (when available).

Any recommendations/options and blub selection will be more than welcome.

Steve 926
03/22/2007, 06:57 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY GRIM :D :D :D

Thanks for all the great advice !!


Steve (@^ (926)

:smokin:

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 07:11 PM
???

Apreciate the sentimate but my B day isnt for a couple months:D

The Grim Reefer
03/22/2007, 07:12 PM
Dreaded double post

55semireef
03/22/2007, 08:37 PM
Grim, with two pure actinics, a 4750 K bulb and a 6500 K bulb, do I relatively get good PAR or is the pure actinics dragging me down?

bluesurf1
03/22/2007, 10:53 PM
currently running ic660 60" retro over mixed reef but mostly sps mid to high up. Is there other options for reflectors? Are the tek 2's much better? I plan to add 2 more bulbs possibly the 430 retro or should I run workhorse with tek 2's. Would I be best off to swap all reflectors to tek2.

current bulb set up
front
ge 6500
geisman actinic +
geisman aqua blue+

new set up
ati blue +
true actinic
ge 6500
actinic +
geisman aquablue+

thanks for the info. also is there 72" t5's now?

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 12:54 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9546197#post9546197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Grim, with two pure actinics, a 4750 K bulb and a 6500 K bulb, do I relatively get good PAR or is the pure actinics dragging me down?

The pure actinics don't produce a lot. Try to get a blue plus lamp. It will give you more PAR and a much better look.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 01:00 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9547453#post9547453 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluesurf1
currently running ic660 60" retro over mixed reef but mostly sps mid to high up. Is there other options for reflectors? Are the tek 2's much better? I plan to add 2 more bulbs possibly the 430 retro or should I run workhorse with tek 2's. Would I be best off to swap all reflectors to tek2.

current bulb set up
front
ge 6500
geisman actinic +
geisman aqua blue+

new set up
ati blue +
true actinic
ge 6500
actinic +
geisman aquablue+

thanks for the info. also is there 72" t5's now?

Premium Aquatics sells the Helios 71" lamps. Their Super Blue is a sweet lamp. a 660 would drive 2 of those. They also sell a all in one fixture for them. 2 of those added to your 3 current lamps would probably set you up nice assuming you have the room in your canopy for them

The Tek II's will hopefully be better performers but until someone measures them I dunno.

Lostmind
03/23/2007, 01:58 AM
Ok, I know I already bugged people in this thread for some info, but I managed to convince the wife we needed a bigger fishtank and got my way :)

So our 100g tank is already ordered. 48Lx24Wx20T

Would the Aquatinic T5 Solar Flare 48" 6 x 54w Complete kit be sufficient lighting for my sps only tank? At only 15" wide and a total of 324w, I am thinking it wouldn't be enough although I've seen recommendations previously in this thread saying it would be sufficient for people with standard 120g tanks (48x24x24).

Would I be better off going with two Aquactinics 48" TX5 Series which is a 5 x 54w, 10" wide fixture? I would have a total of 540w of lighting then and possibly better overall coverage?

My other option is to just go back to halides, pick up two Lumen Max 3 250W Reflector's and pop in some 14k bulbs. I ran a similar setup (in pfo reflectors though) over my last 120g and was quite happy with it.

Although, I would love to save on energy costs and such which is why the Aquatinic T5 Solar Flare 48" 6 x 54w Complete kit is so attractive to me. Plus, it's a single, sleek looking unit and my tank will be an open top tank with the lights hanging above the tank.

Sorry for the novel, appreciate the help.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 03:11 AM
Solar Flare will be perfect as long as you don't plan on any softies. You should be good for SPS anywhere in that tank with the SF.

gavij012379
03/23/2007, 03:55 AM
Hi
The Grim Reefer

First of all kudos to you for all the help you are providing to us hobbyist.

I am planning to start a 25 X 25 X 18 cube. I am planning to put T5's around the perimeter or front and back of the tank so that I can add a MH and chiller later. For now I just need enough T5 to keep softies and maybe some LPS. I love metal halide but want to hold off for now due to cost. I have heard only good about T5 but never even seen one first hand. Does a 55 watt T5 give off the same amount of light as a 55 W Pc? Or does the T5 gives off twice the light as the same wattage PC like everyone claims.

If so will it be ok for me to run 4 X24 watt HO T5 for now (while I keep softies and LPS) and add a 150 W halide later( when I will be keeping clams and sps too). I have seen Nova Extreme T-5 Fixtures w/Lunar Lights on sale for $160(cheapest around) w/bulbs(Slimpaq 460nm Actinic and 10000°K T-5 HO lamps) at liveaquaria.com. Do you know if they are any good or atleast comparable to the big brand? And will I get a comparable effect if I put one of this fixture in my 25 wide tank instead of putting 2 front and 2 back or going around the perimeter? Also is 25 " enough space to put a 24" T5 with the endcaps or do I have to go to 27 X 27 tank. Like I said I have never seen a T5. And is the heat given off by T5 comparable to a PC?

Thanks for the reply.

gavij012379
03/23/2007, 04:03 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9548074#post9548074 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lostmind
Ok, I know I already bugged people in this thread for some info, but I managed to convince the wife we needed a bigger fishtank and got my way :)

So our 100g tank is already ordered. 48Lx24Wx20T

Would the Aquatinic T5 Solar Flare 48" 6 x 54w Complete kit be sufficient lighting for my sps only tank? At only 15" wide and a total of 324w, I am thinking it wouldn't be enough although I've seen recommendations previously in this thread saying it would be sufficient for people with standard 120g tanks (48x24x24).

Would I be better off going with two Aquactinics 48" TX5 Series which is a 5 x 54w, 10" wide fixture? I would have a total of 540w of lighting then and possibly better overall coverage?

My other option is to just go back to halides, pick up two Lumen Max 3 250W Reflector's and pop in some 14k bulbs. I ran a similar setup (in pfo reflectors though) over my last 120g and was quite happy with it.

Although, I would love to save on energy costs and such which is why the Aquatinic T5 Solar Flare 48" 6 x 54w Complete kit is so attractive to me. Plus, it's a single, sleek looking unit and my tank will be an open top tank with the lights hanging above the tank.

Sorry for the novel, appreciate the help.


i did the same thing when I got my 100 gal 4 yrs back but I have regretted it since. LOL . I see u had a big tank before but be carefull 100 g is a lot of work and needs a lot of money to fill. But this hobby is very addictive and if you make good choice I think it will pay off. My biggest mistake was not controlling the temperature and not having patience. I had metal halides but no chiller. My corals grew great in the Michigan winter but died in the summer. And I used to buy another showpiece coral from LFS at a jawbreaking price. My advice to anyone is join a reefclub, trade frags and have the patience for it to grow. And above all buy a chiller if the temperature goes high while using those Metal halides. Good luck with the tank. post us some pics.
For myself I am looking at a 25 X 25 tank that I can move around with me. I am still in an apt. :(

Steve 926
03/23/2007, 09:08 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9545417#post9545417 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
???

Apreciate the sentimate but my B day isnt for a couple months:D

I guess I got the wrong info :D

I'll just chalk it up to experience !:D

However, thanks for all the great advice :D :D


Steve (@^ (926)

:smokin:

CW from the OC
03/23/2007, 10:15 AM
Hey Grim,

I'm getting the Aquatinics 6 foot fixture with 14 3-foot bulbs. What bulbs would you suggest in this unit for SPS?

Thanks!

Craig

Lostmind
03/23/2007, 10:18 AM
Thanks again Grim!

Gavij, this time around I am taking my time, buying all the equipment upfront and setting it up correctly. Last tank I waited till it was summer out to buy a chiller - luckily only lost a few pieces :)

jennmac415
03/23/2007, 10:45 AM
Hey... about the birthday thing... there is a guy over at thereeftank who goes by the same name and it was his birthday yesterday... I almost posted happy birthday to the Grim here also!

YEA!!!! my 14 bulbs for my new 72" aquactinic fixture are on their way... I can't wait to see this thing up and shining!

Thanks Grim for all your advice!

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 10:45 AM
If you were to Place 4 good T5's close together over the corals you would be fine. Get good retrofits. Reefgeek.com is the best place.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9548146#post9548146 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gavij012379
Hi
The Grim Reefer

First of all kudos to you for all the help you are providing to us hobbyist.

I am planning to start a 25 X 25 X 18 cube. I am planning to put T5's around the perimeter or front and back of the tank so that I can add a MH and chiller later. For now I just need enough T5 to keep softies and maybe some LPS. I love metal halide but want to hold off for now due to cost. I have heard only good about T5 but never even seen one first hand. Does a 55 watt T5 give off the same amount of light as a 55 W Pc? Or does the T5 gives off twice the light as the same wattage PC like everyone claims.

If so will it be ok for me to run 4 X24 watt HO T5 for now (while I keep softies and LPS) and add a 150 W halide later( when I will be keeping clams and sps too). I have seen Nova Extreme T-5 Fixtures w/Lunar Lights on sale for $160(cheapest around) w/bulbs(Slimpaq 460nm Actinic and 10000°K T-5 HO lamps) at liveaquaria.com. Do you know if they are any good or atleast comparable to the big brand? And will I get a comparable effect if I put one of this fixture in my 25 wide tank instead of putting 2 front and 2 back or going around the perimeter? Also is 25 " enough space to put a 24" T5 with the endcaps or do I have to go to 27 X 27 tank. Like I said I have never seen a T5. And is the heat given off by T5 comparable to a PC?

Thanks for the reply.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 11:42 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9550292#post9550292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CW from the OC
Hey Grim,

I'm getting the Aquatinics 6 foot fixture with 14 3-foot bulbs. What bulbs would you suggest in this unit for SPS?

Thanks!

Craig

Try this
Front

Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun or GE 3000K
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

Wickedt1
03/23/2007, 11:45 AM
Thanks for the quick response Grim. Do I need to have the bulbs overdriven?

Just as a reminder, tank is 10'L x 3'W x 30"D, and will be fishonly.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9544890#post9544890 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
I think you will need six rows. I would use all Aquablue lamps, they look bright and fish show up really well under them.

SHAWNLX86
03/23/2007, 12:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9551086#post9551086 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Try this
Front

Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun or GE 3000K
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

would this give you a whiteish blue look like with a 14k mh bulb, I'm currently ordering bulbs for the same unit and had the same bulb combo ?

I currently have an order placed with reefgeeks for my bulbs but some are out of stock so I could probably change my order. This is what I planned on doing.

front:
blue +
super actinic
6500k ge
blue +
3000k ge
aquablue
blue +

should I stick with my order or change it to what you had suggested. I'm looking for a decent par with a whitish blue color. Not a fan of the yellowish tank look or the extremely blue look. thanks for your help!!!

CW from the OC
03/23/2007, 02:10 PM
Thanks Grim, I appreciate it!!



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9551086#post9551086 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
Try this
Front

Blue Plus
Super Actinic
GE 6500K
Aquablue
UVL Aquasun or GE 3000K
Super Actinic
Blue Plus

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 03:24 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9551107#post9551107 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wickedt1
Thanks for the quick response Grim. Do I need to have the bulbs overdriven?

Just as a reminder, tank is 10'L x 3'W x 30"D, and will be fishonly.

You shouldn't need to overdrive

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 03:26 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9551640#post9551640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SHAWNLX86
would this give you a whiteish blue look like with a 14k mh bulb, I'm currently ordering bulbs for the same unit and had the same bulb combo ?

I currently have an order placed with reefgeeks for my bulbs but some are out of stock so I could probably change my order. This is what I planned on doing.

front:
blue +
super actinic
6500k ge
blue +
3000k ge
aquablue
blue +

should I stick with my order or change it to what you had suggested. I'm looking for a decent par with a whitish blue color. Not a fan of the yellowish tank look or the extremely blue look. thanks for your help!!!

Both will be 14Kish

JCTewks
03/23/2007, 03:42 PM
Grim....i have posted this ? in other forums with mo real definitive response, so....

I have 2 - 1 X 65w Current PC ballasts and am wondering if i could use these to drive (preferably overdrive) 2 24watt T-5's, one ballast per bulb. I can't find any wiring diagrams for these anywhere. Your help would be appreciated.

DrBegalke
03/23/2007, 05:30 PM
TGR:

I'm setting up a 90g soon (sps, maybe some clams) and need to select a t5 fixture...

considering the solar flare, or ati powermodule, possible even the tek 8 bulb...

was wondering which of those would put out the most light? and does overdriving the bulbs in the solar flare reduce their lifespan?

jason

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 06:11 PM
T5 and PC lamps are not the same. There are ballasts that can fire both lamps but without even having the wiring diagrams it is a crap shoot to even try to get the wiring right.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9553025#post9553025 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JCTewks
Grim....i have posted this ? in other forums with mo real definitive response, so....

I have 2 - 1 X 65w Current PC ballasts and am wondering if i could use these to drive (preferably overdrive) 2 24watt T-5's, one ballast per bulb. I can't find any wiring diagrams for these anywhere. Your help would be appreciated.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 06:20 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9553811#post9553811 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DrBegalke
TGR:

I'm setting up a 90g soon (sps, maybe some clams) and need to select a t5 fixture...

considering the solar flare, or ati powermodule, possible even the tek 8 bulb...

was wondering which of those would put out the most light? and does overdriving the bulbs in the solar flare reduce their lifespan?

jason

How tall of a tank is this going on? The solar flare is big. If your tank is 24" front to back the Flare is a great choice. for 18" I would go for the ATI.

tdawgnjlo
03/23/2007, 07:51 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9500764#post9500764 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
The aquablue is not nearly as blue as the blue plus. It is more of a white lamp with a blue hue.

I am a little hesitent to reco the GE 3000K in a 6 lamp mix unless people have ran T5's and have a basic understanding of the look. Not everybody likes the additional red. Seems like you're sold on it:D I am using 2 blues, 1 actinic, 1 super actinic, a 50/50 and a 3000K right now and love it

I just completed the installation of the following bulb config on a 75 gallon tank per Greg's recommendation at Reefgeek. 6x54w with triads:

front
UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue +
GE 3000K
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue +
back

Tank looks great. Green, pink, burgandy, purple, redish purple, clam neon blue spots, yellows, oranges, reds all look good. The tank doesn't look redish to me. Maybe the 3 ATI Blue + lamps balance out the reds of the GE 3000K bulb. I think it is a pretty clean look, but it does look a little purple/pink on the rock due to all the coraline algae colors.

I lost a few corals prior to the light change I think because the lights were getting old (17 months) and my calcuim/alk/mag were running on the low side. Once I get a few more corals in the tank I will give a report on how well the growth rates are.

Thanks for your help, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this bulb cofiguration from a "looks" standpoint, not sure about the growth rates yet. The clams seem to be happy though, with their mantle coloring up real nicely compared to the old bulbs.

kslick
03/23/2007, 08:16 PM
Hey Grim, what would look better and what would give the corals (SPS), the best as in variety in color wise. (hope that makes sense) 2 ati blue pluse, ati aquablue, actinic and 3000k or 6500k? Thanks

sgallagher7
03/23/2007, 08:29 PM
I have the teck 6 bulb configuration with the middle 4 overdriven by a 660 Icecap ballast. Will a ge 6500 k, aquablue 10,000k and uvl aquasun be to much light in the middle? The fourth bulb will be a blue plus. I plan on a mixed reef in a 20 inch high 75.

kslick
03/23/2007, 08:30 PM
Wait thats only five bulbs. I need six, but you get the idea. would the combo above work plus maybe another blue plus?

sgallagher7
03/23/2007, 08:36 PM
Im also going to run a super actinic.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 09:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9554879#post9554879 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tdawgnjlo
I just completed the installation of the following bulb config on a 75 gallon tank per Greg's recommendation at Reefgeek. 6x54w with triads:

front
UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue +
GE 3000K
ATI Blue +
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue +
back

Tank looks great. Green, pink, burgandy, purple, redish purple, clam neon blue spots, yellows, oranges, reds all look good. The tank doesn't look redish to me. Maybe the 3 ATI Blue + lamps balance out the reds of the GE 3000K bulb. I think it is a pretty clean look, but it does look a little purple/pink on the rock due to all the coraline algae colors.

I lost a few corals prior to the light change I think because the lights were getting old (17 months) and my calcuim/alk/mag were running on the low side. Once I get a few more corals in the tank I will give a report on how well the growth rates are.

Thanks for your help, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this bulb cofiguration from a "looks" standpoint, not sure about the growth rates yet. The clams seem to be happy though, with their mantle coloring up real nicely compared to the old bulbs.

You might try swapping the positions of the front two lamps and see what you think.

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 09:16 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9555070#post9555070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kslick
Hey Grim, what would look better and what would give the corals (SPS), the best as in variety in color wise. (hope that makes sense) 2 ati blue pluse, ati aquablue, actinic and 3000k or 6500k? Thanks

I'd do the 3000K

The Grim Reefer
03/23/2007, 09:19 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9555172#post9555172 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sgallagher7
I have the teck 6 bulb configuration with the middle 4 overdriven by a 660 Icecap ballast. Will a ge 6500 k, aquablue 10,000k and uvl aquasun be to much light in the middle? The fourth bulb will be a blue plus. I plan on a mixed reef in a 20 inch high 75.

I'd do 2 bluepluses, a GE 3000K and 6500K and see how that looks.

sgallagher7
03/23/2007, 09:28 PM
Thanks grim. Im placing the order with the geek and wanted to make sure im covered.
Front to back
Super actinic
Blue +
GE 3000
Blue +
GE 6500
Blue +
ATI Aquablue

sgallagher7
03/23/2007, 09:32 PM
Sorry bout that. One too many blue+'s

tobiaclan
03/24/2007, 01:48 PM
Grim,

I need some help understanding the T-5's light fixtures. First of all I have read thru the site from its beginning and have confused myself. I did not realize that this site split at least 4 times since the beginning. I have a 72gal bow that is 48X23X13 bowing out to 18 in.
I have 100# of live sand and approx 80# of live rock currently in my tank. So from the top of my sand bed to the top of my tank is approx. 20 inches. If I have understood what I have read, the T-5 lights will allow me to keep SPS and clams in this tank and they should thrive, not just survive.
If I have understood you guys correctly, then the TEK T-5 light in a 6 bulb configuration should work for me. My main concern with this lamp is the fact that with a Bow front tank, my ends are only 13 inches wide and the TEK 6 bulb fixture is 15 inches wide. I just wanted to be sure that the width of this fixture shouldn't be a problem. I plan on hanging this light from the ceiling, and if I understood the previous responses, some of the width on the TEK light is for cooling and the lights themselves will not be wider that my tank.
If the TEK light is too wide then the Aquatinics 5 bulb T-5 light would be a good fixture to meet my lighting needs.
Am I correct that either one of these lights would be a great replacement for my 240W PC lights? Thanks for all of your help!

Jim

The Grim Reefer
03/24/2007, 03:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9559560#post9559560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tobiaclan
Grim,

I need some help understanding the T-5's light fixtures. First of all I have read thru the site from its beginning and have confused myself. I did not realize that this site split at least 4 times since the beginning. I have a 72gal bow that is 48X23X13 bowing out to 18 in.
I have 100# of live sand and approx 80# of live rock currently in my tank. So from the top of my sand bed to the top of my tank is approx. 20 inches. If I have understood what I have read, the T-5 lights will allow me to keep SPS and clams in this tank and they should thrive, not just survive.
If I have understood you guys correctly, then the TEK T-5 light in a 6 bulb configuration should work for me. My main concern with this lamp is the fact that with a Bow front tank, my ends are only 13 inches wide and the TEK 6 bulb fixture is 15 inches wide. I just wanted to be sure that the width of this fixture shouldn't be a problem. I plan on hanging this light from the ceiling, and if I understood the previous responses, some of the width on the TEK light is for cooling and the lights themselves will not be wider that my tank.
If the TEK light is too wide then the Aquatinics 5 bulb T-5 light would be a good fixture to meet my lighting needs.
Am I correct that either one of these lights would be a great replacement for my 240W PC lights? Thanks for all of your help!

Jim

The Tek will barely fit. I would go for the limited edition if they are the same size.The aquactinics is probably a better choice. Either will let you keep SPS and clams.

tobiaclan
03/24/2007, 04:23 PM
Grim,

Thanks for your input. Hope to get them ordered this weekend!

vtrieu88
03/24/2007, 07:30 PM
Hi Grim,

I've just convert my 2X72" T12 to 3X48" T5 with the icecap 430-008. It fired up 2 bulbs and then went off completely. Doesn't matter how long I left it out. This is the wiring that I followed. Do you see anything wrong with it? Thanks


2 blue = bulb1 - yellow
|
----------- bulb 2 - yellow
|
----------- bulb 3 =2 red

moo0o
03/24/2007, 07:35 PM
hey grim,

what do you recommend for my 55 reef tank, i plan on an anenome and some softies. and hopefully if i can, some SPS?

36x15x24

The Grim Reefer
03/24/2007, 07:53 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9561713#post9561713 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vtrieu88
Hi Grim,

I've just convert my 2X72" T12 to 3X48" T5 with the icecap 430-008. It fired up 2 bulbs and then went off completely. Doesn't matter how long I left it out. This is the wiring that I followed. Do you see anything wrong with it? Thanks


2 blue = bulb1 - yellow
|
----------- bulb 2 - yellow
|
----------- bulb 3 =2 red

A 430 can only run 2 T5 lamps.

The Grim Reefer
03/24/2007, 07:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9561745#post9561745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moo0o
hey grim,

what do you recommend for my 55 reef tank, i plan on an anenome and some softies. and hopefully if i can, some SPS?

36x15x24

Aquactinics 5x39 fixture

moo0o
03/24/2007, 09:53 PM
i would like to be able to use my canopy instead of a fixture, sorry i didnt tell you before. 5 bulbs ehh? alrite what bulbs do you recommend for a slight blue look?

The Grim Reefer
03/24/2007, 10:48 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9562834#post9562834 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moo0o
i would like to be able to use my canopy instead of a fixture, sorry i didnt tell you before. 5 bulbs ehh? alrite what bulbs do you recommend for a slight blue look?

If you have 15 inches of space in the canopy do 5 lamps.

Try this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Aquasun
Aquablue
GE 6500K
Blue plus

db_triggerfish
03/24/2007, 10:55 PM
[QUOTE]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9563206#post9563206 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
[B]If you have 15 inches of space in the canopy do 5 lamps.

Try this

Front
Blue Plus K?
Super Actinic K?
Aquasun K?
Aquablue K?
GE 6500K 6500K
Blue plus K?

Is there a site the gives K rating for the above lamps?

THANKS,

db_triggerfish
03/24/2007, 11:01 PM
Sorry found one site 5 minutes later. Thanks anyway.

http://diyreef.com/shop/index.php?cPath=59&osCsid=6efe0db8a7ee2312b416eabc9c7ba622

juststartingout
03/25/2007, 09:33 AM
Hey Grim, I am needing to make my final lighting decision. I have 400 wt MH, and had purchased ballasts and L3 reflectors to down grade to 250 wt MH. The tank is 30" tall (96Lx36W)

I had asked earlier in this thread your opinion about moving to t5s, heres some of the chat...
A TGR Quote “Halides don't penetrate any deeper than any other light. They reason they typically provide more intensity at the sandbed is they start out much more intense. a 4x54 watt Ice Cap T5 setup will put more light to the sand than most 250 watt halides.”

My Question back in August-“Grim, most of the peeps here are running a 18-24" deep tank, what is your feeling on t-5 lighting on a 30" deep tank. Currently I have been using 400 wt MH (10kUshio's) tank has sps clams and anenomies. Would a t-5 lighting system be as good, just with less heat and power usage? The sps are mid tank and the clams are on the bottom.
BTW, thanks for all your time answering questions on this thread!”
________________________________________


Grims answer-“Not sure if I'd say even overdriven T5's are as good as 400 watt halides. I guess it depends on the particular set up. I'd definatly go with 6 or 8 overdriven T5's on a 30" tall tank if I were going to try T5's.”

I wanted to clarify that I am going to run 250wts instead of 400's. So, with that said will t5's give me equal/enough punch? I would be willing to run between 8-12 54wts, basically dividing the 96"length in half. I'm still on the fence.

nu_beta_2016
03/25/2007, 09:55 AM
I seem to remember reading a post somewhere that ATI is coming out with a new fixture in the next 2-3 months. Not the Powermodule, but a newer slightly cheaper fixture. Does anyone recall hearing anything about this?

jamesdawson
03/25/2007, 11:53 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9565122#post9565122 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nu_beta_2016
I seem to remember reading a post somewhere that ATI is coming out with a new fixture in the next 2-3 months. Not the Powermodule, but a newer slightly cheaper fixture. Does anyone recall hearing anything about this?

Its been out in Europe for some time. They have all the good T-5 fixture manufacturers, we get stuck with 1/2 the Par crappy Teklights. The Ice Cap powered Solar Flare is an american fixture however and it produces the highest Par of all. Aquatinics (the builder of the SF) also make quality T-5 fixtures although they don't use electronic ballasts.

Its called the SunPower and is similar to the Fauna Marin Ultra Solaris that Aquarium Obsessed imports. ReefGeek will be bringing it in after the PowerModul at about 1/2 the price of equivalent bulb# PowerModuls. Don't expect it for a while though.

James

Macksk8
03/25/2007, 12:29 PM
Can t5hos be run on an Icecap A4 ballast?

casingbill
03/25/2007, 03:05 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510317#post9510317 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
I would do both assuming there were no heat and space issues.

can u make a suggestion for a mh/t5 combo?...all retros....for a 90

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 04:22 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9565009#post9565009 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by juststartingout
Hey Grim, I am needing to make my final lighting decision. I have 400 wt MH, and had purchased ballasts and L3 reflectors to down grade to 250 wt MH. The tank is 30" tall (96Lx36W)

I had asked earlier in this thread your opinion about moving to t5s, heres some of the chat...
A TGR Quote “Halides don't penetrate any deeper than any other light. They reason they typically provide more intensity at the sandbed is they start out much more intense. a 4x54 watt Ice Cap T5 setup will put more light to the sand than most 250 watt halides.”

My Question back in August-“Grim, most of the peeps here are running a 18-24" deep tank, what is your feeling on t-5 lighting on a 30" deep tank. Currently I have been using 400 wt MH (10kUshio's) tank has sps clams and anenomies. Would a t-5 lighting system be as good, just with less heat and power usage? The sps are mid tank and the clams are on the bottom.
BTW, thanks for all your time answering questions on this thread!”
________________________________________


Grims answer-“Not sure if I'd say even overdriven T5's are as good as 400 watt halides. I guess it depends on the particular set up. I'd definatly go with 6 or 8 overdriven T5's on a 30" tall tank if I were going to try T5's.”

I wanted to clarify that I am going to run 250wts instead of 400's. So, with that said will t5's give me equal/enough punch? I would be willing to run between 8-12 54wts, basically dividing the 96"length in half. I'm still on the fence.

If you stick with good 10K lamps the 250 watt halides will work fine.

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 04:25 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9566170#post9566170 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Macksk8
Can t5hos be run on an Icecap A4 ballast?

Yes and no. The A4 will run them but not for very long. Stick with the IC 430 and 660 ballasts.

Macksk8
03/25/2007, 04:30 PM
Will the a4 go out or the bulbs?

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 04:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9567060#post9567060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by casingbill
can u make a suggestion for a mh/t5 combo?...all retros....for a 90

I would run a couple of PFO mini pendants with nice 250 watt 10KDE lamps. I would use electronic ballasts, probably Ice Caps. For the T5's I would order 2 tek 2 lamp readyfit retros.

I would set them up like this

Front
Blue Plus
Super Actinic
Halide halide
Aquablue
Blue Plus

With that system you could get away with running the halides only 4 hours a day. You could use the front bank of T5s for dusk/dawn, then add the rear bank for early/late daylight and run the halides for midday.

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 04:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9567573#post9567573 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Macksk8
Will the a4 go out or the bulbs?

The ballast will die/

Macksk8
03/25/2007, 05:28 PM
Have you had any experience using workhorse ballasts with t5s?

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 05:35 PM
They work but the output isn't as good as the Dynamic and Triad ballast provide.

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 05:35 PM
They work but the output isn't as good as the Dynamic and Triad ballast provide.

bigfruits
03/25/2007, 08:38 PM
Mr. Reefer (and class),
i want to set up a 30 gallon aquarium (18 inch depth) and want to go with t5 lighting. i only plan on keeping lps, softies and zoos.
im thinking about the 4 bulb tek fixture and have a few questions.

will i need to keep mushrooms shaded or will they be ok on the sand? how high above the aquarium should i have the fixture so that i dont hurt the softies?

also, i want a blueish look but not too blue. how does this sound?

front
super actinic
aquablue
aquablue
blueplus
back

thanks in advance,
-z

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 09:47 PM
I would swap the rear most Aquablue for a GE daylight if you don't want too much blue. Tray shifting the fixture to the rear a bit and shrooms should be OK on the sand near the front of the rock where the more powerful lamps light is shaded.

pammy
03/25/2007, 09:58 PM
Hey all. I don't know why I'm having such a hard choice picking my light fixture. It's the last piece of equipment I need to buy before I can get my tank up and running. I've decided on T5 lighting...but that's as far as I've gotten.

I have a 53g 30.5" x 19.5" x 19.5 " tank. (Elos)

I want to keep fish and soft corals. I've heard from some that 4 bulbs is plenty for soft corals....and others have said I need 4 or 5 bulbs.

Some people in this forum have recommended 5 or 6 bulb T5 fixture, but I can't seem to find any 2 foot long 5 or 6 bulb light fixtures. I know that Aquatinics is coming out with a 5 bulb 24" light fixture soon, but does anyone else make a 5 or 6 bulb T5 light fixture?

I'd really like a light fixture with a built in fan...but is a fan necessary with a 4 bulb T5 light fixture? And I definitely want individual reflectors.

These are the fixtures I've been looking at:

Aquatinics 5 bulb 24" T5 fixture coming out in the next month or so.
Pros....5 bulbs, individual reflectors, Built in fan
Cons.... The styling of the fixture isn't as nice looking as some of the other fixtures out there. I don't like the hard corners compared to the choices below.

Sun Supply Tek Light - 24" 4 bulb light fixture
Pros.... Nice design
Cons..... no built in fan, only a 4 bulb choice that I'm aware of in the 24" fixture

ATI Power Module
Pros....Nice design. Built in Fan and reflectors
Cons....won't be out for about 1-3 months...more likely 2 or 3 months. Anxious to get my tank up in the next few weeks.

Elos Planet 4 bulb Light Fixture
Pros.... Beautiful design
Cons.... Expensive.
http://www.eloseurope.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=48&category_id=14&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=76&lang=en


Any choices I may not have looked at? What T5 fixture would you get for my size tank if you were keeping softies and fish only?

Thanks!
Pam

brandon0350
03/25/2007, 10:37 PM
will cheap bulbs turn my acros brown? i had halides on my tank with good growth and color but changed to a 4 bulb t5 retro from hellolights and they included 4 tru brand bulbs (never herd of them) 2 actinic 2 10k. since putting them on all of my acros have slowely turned brown. its a 40 breeder 36x18 deep x 16 tall. i know it has something to do with the lights because my maintenance is the same ad i had good results before the light change. thanks for your help

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 10:38 PM
There are no really good choices out there right now. If you could do a canopy a retrofit would be your best solution.

The Grim Reefer
03/25/2007, 10:45 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9570084#post9570084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brandon0350
will cheap bulbs turn my acros brown? i had halides on my tank with good growth and color but changed to a 4 bulb t5 retro from hellolights and they included 4 tru brand bulbs (never herd of them) 2 actinic 2 10k. since putting them on all of my acros have slowely turned brown. its a 40 breeder 36x18 deep x 16 tall. i know it has something to do with the lights because my maintenance is the same ad i had good results before the light change. thanks for your help

I suppose if the lamps have pathetic output they could cause that. Grab yourself 1 ATI blue Plus, 1 Aquablue, 1 UVL Super Actinic and 1 Aquasun and see what happens.

widow1
03/25/2007, 11:33 PM
i'm looking for a bluer look than my current bulb set delivers. i run

front
giesemann atintic+
giesemann atintic+
ati aquablue
ati aquablue
ge 6500k
ati aquablue
giesemann atintic+
geisemann atintic+
back
what is the bluest bulb?
i like my colors to pop. thanks for any advice.