lakeRat
03/17/2007, 12:15 AM
OK, this is somewhat embarrassing and very disheartening, but I have killed 3 clowns so far.
Here's the rundown, because I know it's part of the routine.
SG - 1.0255 to 1.026 Always steady in this range (I don't have an ATO yet.)
Temp - 78 to 81 Always steady in this range
Ammonia - 0 randomly get a 0.01 reading
Nitrate - 0 Always steady
Nitrate - 0 Always steady
pH - 8.1 to 8.2 Always steady in this range
Alk - 7 to 8.4 Kh Used to be steady 8.4 but has dropped to 7 recently
Calcium - 425 Recently dropped to 375, but now steady @ 425
Phosphates - 0
Use SeaChem tests.
55MT, 10g Fuge, 10g Sump, 85 lbs LR, fine sand substrate - running since mid Dec. 06. Last Ammonia reading >.01 was around mid Jan. 06.
Since the end of January I have stocked with 2 Zebra Turbos, 4 Nassarius, 1 Margarita, 3 Hermit Crabs, 2 Peppermint Shrimp, 1 Coral Banded Shrimp, 1 Skunk Cleaner, 1 Emerald Crab, 3 Feather Dusters, 1 Zoa Colony (200+ polyps), 1 Hammer Coral, 1 Mushroom, 1 Elegance Coral, 2 Blue/Green Chromis, 1 Royal Gramma, and 3 Clowns.
The three clowns were added at three different times in the last three weeks, from two different LFS, and none have lived. The first made it 8 days, the second about 7 days, and the last one 3 days. All inverts are active, feeding and appear to be fine except my Emerald crab which is turning white. The Chromis have been in the tank for 15 days now and are active and feeding great. The Royal Gramma has been in the tank 3 days and has hid out in a rock, but does come out to feed on live brine and frozen mysis, then back into his hole.
The Elegance Coral....what can I day other than I didn't do my homework. I purchased it from a LFS that had just received it in from a shipment and I couldn't tell a lot about it thru 3 layers of bags. It looked a bit rough, but I figured it was from shipping. Brought home, acclimated for 2 to 3 hours and placed into my tank to find it still looked rough. This is day 2 and it is receding, puffed up around the mouths, and the "tentacles" are deflated. It looks like I'm going to end up with an expensive rock. After more in-depth research about the Elegance, I won't have another. Disappointing because to me it is one of the most beautiful corals. :( On the bright side, the mushroom is recovering from near death from being semi-squashed in the bag on the way home. My zoa's are doing great, and the hammer coral is already noticeably bigger.
I float-drip acclimate everything. An hour or so for fish, two hours for corals, and two hours for inverts. The drip comes out of the skimmer as I thought this would be the cleanest, most oxygen rich water I could get the acclimation done with.
I haven't lost any inverts. They go into the tank and start feeding like they have been starved and stay active and feeding. With fish I'm batting .500 so far, which is getting discouraging.
Is there something I'm overlooking? Could I just be getting sick fish? (They all looked good at the LFS) On one hand I'm already looking to upgrade to a 75 or 90 (maybe even a 125), but on the other I'm thinking of throwing in the towel and setting this tank back up as freshwater. If things don't change, I'll probably go with the latter. :( I am thinking I may well be getting sick fish, so if I decide to try any more fish I believe I will try a reputable online retailer, and hope for better quality livestock.
Other info: Due to thinking I have some sort of pollutant in the water and the Elegance dieing, I'm running a lot of carbon at the moment, but I've run carbon since the first clown died. My skimmer pulls fresh air from outside to help with winter CO2 levels. (I live in a rural area where air pollution is not a concern) Any time I work in my tank, I wash with nothing but hot HOT water for 5 to 10 minutes. I'm using RO/Di store bought water and adding Prime to it for water changes and top-off. I also would like to note that I have coraline algae growing on everything - glass, overflow, power-heads, rock, hermit shells, etc. Tons of "critters" in the LR - pods, bristle worms, hundred of dusters on the rock and glass, a few sponges, and some hitch-hikers like stomatella snails, 1 tiny star, and a small crab.
If I have overlooked anything, let me know.
Thanks for any help,
Discouraged :(
Here's the rundown, because I know it's part of the routine.
SG - 1.0255 to 1.026 Always steady in this range (I don't have an ATO yet.)
Temp - 78 to 81 Always steady in this range
Ammonia - 0 randomly get a 0.01 reading
Nitrate - 0 Always steady
Nitrate - 0 Always steady
pH - 8.1 to 8.2 Always steady in this range
Alk - 7 to 8.4 Kh Used to be steady 8.4 but has dropped to 7 recently
Calcium - 425 Recently dropped to 375, but now steady @ 425
Phosphates - 0
Use SeaChem tests.
55MT, 10g Fuge, 10g Sump, 85 lbs LR, fine sand substrate - running since mid Dec. 06. Last Ammonia reading >.01 was around mid Jan. 06.
Since the end of January I have stocked with 2 Zebra Turbos, 4 Nassarius, 1 Margarita, 3 Hermit Crabs, 2 Peppermint Shrimp, 1 Coral Banded Shrimp, 1 Skunk Cleaner, 1 Emerald Crab, 3 Feather Dusters, 1 Zoa Colony (200+ polyps), 1 Hammer Coral, 1 Mushroom, 1 Elegance Coral, 2 Blue/Green Chromis, 1 Royal Gramma, and 3 Clowns.
The three clowns were added at three different times in the last three weeks, from two different LFS, and none have lived. The first made it 8 days, the second about 7 days, and the last one 3 days. All inverts are active, feeding and appear to be fine except my Emerald crab which is turning white. The Chromis have been in the tank for 15 days now and are active and feeding great. The Royal Gramma has been in the tank 3 days and has hid out in a rock, but does come out to feed on live brine and frozen mysis, then back into his hole.
The Elegance Coral....what can I day other than I didn't do my homework. I purchased it from a LFS that had just received it in from a shipment and I couldn't tell a lot about it thru 3 layers of bags. It looked a bit rough, but I figured it was from shipping. Brought home, acclimated for 2 to 3 hours and placed into my tank to find it still looked rough. This is day 2 and it is receding, puffed up around the mouths, and the "tentacles" are deflated. It looks like I'm going to end up with an expensive rock. After more in-depth research about the Elegance, I won't have another. Disappointing because to me it is one of the most beautiful corals. :( On the bright side, the mushroom is recovering from near death from being semi-squashed in the bag on the way home. My zoa's are doing great, and the hammer coral is already noticeably bigger.
I float-drip acclimate everything. An hour or so for fish, two hours for corals, and two hours for inverts. The drip comes out of the skimmer as I thought this would be the cleanest, most oxygen rich water I could get the acclimation done with.
I haven't lost any inverts. They go into the tank and start feeding like they have been starved and stay active and feeding. With fish I'm batting .500 so far, which is getting discouraging.
Is there something I'm overlooking? Could I just be getting sick fish? (They all looked good at the LFS) On one hand I'm already looking to upgrade to a 75 or 90 (maybe even a 125), but on the other I'm thinking of throwing in the towel and setting this tank back up as freshwater. If things don't change, I'll probably go with the latter. :( I am thinking I may well be getting sick fish, so if I decide to try any more fish I believe I will try a reputable online retailer, and hope for better quality livestock.
Other info: Due to thinking I have some sort of pollutant in the water and the Elegance dieing, I'm running a lot of carbon at the moment, but I've run carbon since the first clown died. My skimmer pulls fresh air from outside to help with winter CO2 levels. (I live in a rural area where air pollution is not a concern) Any time I work in my tank, I wash with nothing but hot HOT water for 5 to 10 minutes. I'm using RO/Di store bought water and adding Prime to it for water changes and top-off. I also would like to note that I have coraline algae growing on everything - glass, overflow, power-heads, rock, hermit shells, etc. Tons of "critters" in the LR - pods, bristle worms, hundred of dusters on the rock and glass, a few sponges, and some hitch-hikers like stomatella snails, 1 tiny star, and a small crab.
If I have overlooked anything, let me know.
Thanks for any help,
Discouraged :(