BM160 Pics

[DeltecRules]

Oliver I thought you said you were going to post BM160 pics today? :)

[Oliver P.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9577114#post9577114 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Oliver I thought you said you were going to post BM160 pics today? :)

Right. Here are the first pictures.

http://www.atiaquaristik.com/content/images/4913f7ca9a9083b6121ad367f83fd44d.jpg http://www.atiaquaristik.com/content/images/23e1370923ca48ffe0e62e1c9c4d21a0.jpg

What is new ?

1. built-in gate valve for fine tuning
2. again more Power (airintake and waterflow)
3. thicker acrylic tubes
4. new neckless insert on the collection cup (clearance only 0,3")

Technical Specifications:

1. Sump space required for the Skimmer only : 7" x 8"
2. Overall Height: 20"
3. Clearing Height: 20.3 "
4. Reaction chamber diameter: 6.6" (instead of 5.9")
5. Neck diameter: 4" (instead of 3")
5. Air intake: 800 lph
6. Waterflow: 1200 lph
7. Pump power consuption: 21 Watt @115/120 VAC 60 Hz

Realistic Rating:
Average Load 140 gal
Heavy Load 100 gal

new built-in gate valve.
http://www.atiaquaristik.com/content/images/abfe7b9c7b36941f5add3a1d5ffe4c4b.jpg http://www.atiaquaristik.com/content/images/fe0e80318c819ec4c4ddcbbb8043a3a1.jpg
Thanks,
Oliver

[Ginzo]

Wow ! very nice !

In how many inches of water should the BM160 sit in ?

[Oliver P.]

The BM 160 can sit in 6" - 10" deep of water. With the new built-in gate valve we are much more flexible.

[coseal]

what about pump serviceability? is it removeable and if so how easy?

[Zaphod]

when will they be available?

[DeltecRules]

Oliver any action pics or nog pics?

[johns]

Oliver-

Is there any plans to include the pumps inside the chamber for the larger BM200 or BM250 models? That is an excellent space saving idea.

If not, how about building me a custom one :)

[heuerfan]

Oliver, is the realistic rating of heavy load 100 gallon correct? You posted on a different thread the heavy load rating to be 150 gallons. I like the new design and wanted to know if this can handle my 125 with a heavy load. I know the bm200 will not have the new design so this is why i ask, i feel the bm250 might be overkill for me since i only have LPS corals and sofites.

Also, what is the US price for the bm160?

Thanks in advance,
Steven

[linyreefer]

Oliver, when can I get one of these? Will Greg and Scott have them in stock soon? How much will they cost? Man, after seeing Rich's video of the 250 I need to get my hands on one of these asap. Thanks, Phil

[Oliver P.]

Ok, we will show some action pics of the BM 160 in the next days here.

what about pump serviceability? is it removeable and if so how easy?

In contrast to our older BM 150 it is much easier to remove the pump of this skimmer. This is one of the advantages of the larger skimmerbody (diameter of 6.7" instead of 6").

@Johns
Sorry, but it is not our plan to include the pumps inside the chamber for the larger models BM 200 or BM 250 and unforunately we are not able to create a custom one.


like the new design and wanted to know if this can handle my 125 with a heavy load.

Yes, I am sure that this is absolutely no Problem. The Air intake of our BM 160 is between 800 - 900 lph and there is no big difference to our BM 200. A BM 250 is overkill for a 125g tank. The BM 160 will be the best choice for you.

We will sent a first wave of BM 160 to the US next week.

Thanks,
Oliver

[heuerfan]

Yes, I am sure that this is absolutely no Problem. The Air intake of our BM 160 is between 800 - 900 lph and there is no big difference to our BM 200. A BM 250 is overkill for a 125g tank. The BM 160 will be the best choice for you.

Thanks,
Oliver [/B]

Thank you Oliver for the reply! Look forward to seeing the pics.

[Finesse]

Oliver
How is it attached to its base .... friction fit ??

Any pictures of the BM160 in operation ? Look forward to seeing them !!

[andyjd]

Whats the cost gong to be? how easy will it be to get a replacement pump, I will be moving between Alabama & New Zealand in December and will need a 220v pump.

Andy

[DeltecRules]

Oliver any update on the performance pics of the BM160 yet?

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9685490#post9685490 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Oliver any update on the performance pics of the BM160 yet?

Do I see a name change in the near future Scott? :p

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9685724#post9685724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquaticman74
Do I see a name change in the near future Scott? :p

LOL I am dying to see this thing in action, you never know man, it might happen. I am just not sure about the durability of the meshpad compared to the standard needlewheel. I am not a DIY guy so cutting my own would be a pain in the you know what.

[BreadmanMike]

The meshwheel is easily replaced and I believe Greg carries them.
I was thinking of getting a 250 a few weeks back, but I ended up trading my beckett for an H&S. I might have to try one out eventually though lol.

[andyjd]

Any more news, I need a new skimmer and its either going to be an ATI or ER

thanks

Andy

[DeltecRules]

[QUOTE]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9630470#post9630470 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
[B]Ok, we will show some action pics of the BM 160 in the next days here.



Any update on performance pics?

[DeltecRules]

Bump for those performance pics???

[hogben]

Please!

[kslick]

I'm just ready to receive mine...whenever that will be.

[Ginzo]

I'm pretty convinced now that the BM160 was just an April Fools joke !

It never really existed ! :D

[hogben]

The pump looks like its floating in that compartment, does it have the rubber foot like the 200/250 or is it only attched by the inlet/outlet?

[Creetin]

Looks to me it has da foot. ;)

[AJtheReefer]

this skimmer is a beauty. I'm very intrigued

[DeltecRules]

Bumpin for performance pics :D

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9838196#post9838196 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Bumpin for performance pics :D

Here some picture of the BM160 at work :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/DSCF4864.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/DSCF4865.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/DSCF4869.jpg

[DeltecRules]

That looks sweet. Didn't know they released them in the US yet.

[joeycadre]

nice
i so want ine if thise cause of my limited sump space.

what size tanks is that one on? how often do you have to empty the cup?

[Creetin]

Nice stuff there mavgi, I believe he has it on a 120 gal if i rermber correctly.
They are not being sold yet as far as i know. I think mavgi is testing one. ;)

[mavgi]

Sorry , but it's not mine I got the BM250 this one is photo from germany how it's work . i know a lot ppl want to see it so i copy that photo for you :D

[JoergB]

Hi,
Finally, I had the time to convert the video of a "BM160 in action".
The video is short, but I hope you will realize the power of our smallest Skimmer.

Joerg
VIDEO (http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm160.swf)

[Creetin]

Impressive, Please get a vid of the 300. ;)

[Oliver P.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9893609#post9893609 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Creetin
Impressive, Please get a vid of the 300. ;)

Thanks, we will show a Video of the BM 300 in the next week.

But here is a VIDEO (http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/adjust.swf) that shows what we can generate with one pump now.
Of course, the BM 300 has two of this pumps of 2000 lph air intake. The power consumption is 35 Watt per pump at 2000 lph and 26 Watt per pump at 1500 lph air intake.
More secrets later.....

regards,
Oliver

[Reef Sponger]

Nice video of the BM160. I'm seriously thinking of this unit for my 75g because of the small footprint and excellent performance.

Will Ed at KM Associates Int'l (aka kmaintl on Zeovit.com & my most recent online dealer) be getting these skimmers earlier to test? He's told me about how many BM200 units he has personally tested and what they can and cannot do. He mentioned that he thought he was on the list for beta testing.

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9894324#post9894324 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
Thanks, we will show a Video of the BM 300 in the next week.

But here is a VIDEO (http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/adjust.swf) that shows what we can generate with one pump now.
Of course, the BM 300 has two of this pumps of 2000 lph air intake. The power consumption is 35 Watt per pump at 2000 lph and 26 Watt per pump at 1500 lph air intake.
More secrets later.....

regards,
Oliver

Impressive!

Have you guys figured out a price on the 300's yet?

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9894324#post9894324 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
More secrets later.....

regards,
Oliver hummm???

[mavgi]

with the BM300 this is going to be a very busy sponsor forum :lol:

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9894829#post9894829 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
with the BM300 this is going to be a very busy sponsor forum :lol:

I think I'm going to have to try one out if it's not out of my ballpark $$$.

[mavgi]

when i'll get it i will preview it here in RC :lol:

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895362#post9895362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
when i'll get it i will preview it here in RC :lol:
Ahh the 300 i hope is the same footprint but taller. If it is wider it won't fit into my sump. :( What the hell i'll just have to get a new sump. ;)

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9894324#post9894324 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
Thanks, we will show a Video of the BM 300 in the next week.

But here is a VIDEO (http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/adjust.swf) that shows what we can generate with one pump now.
Of course, the BM 300 has two of this pumps of 2000 lph air intake. The power consumption is 35 Watt per pump at 2000 lph and 26 Watt per pump at 1500 lph air intake.
More secrets later.....

regards,
Oliver

Now that is eye opening! I like the controllable skimmers!

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9927159#post9927159 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
We will defently sent a Shippment with many BM 160 to the US next week. So, the BM 160 should be available in 1-2 weeks.

Thanks,
Oliver Hopefully this is not another broken promise. Looking good if going to be USA in 2 weeks.

[Ginzo]

Any updates on the BM160 skimmer ?

I'm ready to make the purchase !

[klam114]

Just heard from my local dealer, it will be 3-4 weeks, the BM160s are coming in. Just thought all you anxious people like to know.

[Reef Sponger]

That sounds just great! Well, that's more than 1-2 weeks. hummm.

[slant77]

their weeks must be alot longer than ours

[Reef Sponger]

German time. lol We'll get to it when we get to it.

[joeycadre]

i gave in and bought me a used euroreef rc80 instead of waiting longer for a bm160 for my 90 gallon. oh well.

[Reef Sponger]

Don't be surprise if it's a little undersized, a RC135 would have been a better choice. I am patiently waiting for the BM160 to be released too. They say 2-3 weeks more.

[DeltecRules]

I wonder if ATI will ever incorporate a metal alloy mesh like bubble king is playing around with. That will take care of any questions ever about the durability of the mesh wheel by placing one of those babies on the pump.

[skimmy]

the mesh is so cheap, and easy to replace i doubt they will stray from using it.

[Oliver P.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10034439#post10034439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
I wonder if ATI will ever incorporate a metal alloy mesh like bubble king is playing around with. That will take care of any questions ever about the durability of the mesh wheel by placing one of those babies on the pump.

We already tested the metal alloy mesh (a special Hastelloy) and our new BM 300 will have those babies on the (highspeed-) pump.

On the other hand koraltek is absolutely right. The mesh we use right now is very cheap and easy to replace. In contrast to our old Eheim (Diameter of the Threadwheel was 57 mm) the Sicce pumps only have a diameter of 46mm. And because of this the durability is much better.

But we defently will have two possibilities in the Future. The Price of the new metal alloy mesh is a little higher (5-10 Euro per Pump) but we think it is a good option.

regards
Oliver

And by the way. The BM 160 and Powermoduls are on the way...

[mavgi]

Hi Oliver

your mail box full please empty it :lol:


best regards
michael

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10041569#post10041569 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
We already tested the metal alloy mesh (a special Hastelloy) and our new BM 300 will have those babies on the (highspeed-) pump.

On the other hand koraltek is absolutely right. The mesh we use right now is very cheap and easy to replace. In contrast to our old Eheim (Diameter of the Threadwheel was 57 mm) the Sicce pumps only have a diameter of 46mm. And because of this the durability is much better.

But we defently will have two possibilities in the Future. The Price of the new metal alloy mesh is a little higher (5-10 Euro per Pump) but we think it is a good option.

regards
Oliver

And by the way. The BM 160 and Powermoduls are on the way...

Anyway those new metal alloy mesh wheels will ever make there way to the BM160's???:D

[joeycadre]

the er rc80 is kicking butt on my 90 right now. doesn't seem too undersized.

[skimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10048612#post10048612 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joeycadre
the er rc80 is kicking butt on my 90 right now. doesn't seem too undersized.

you should be fine, unless you have only sps in your tank...
and you can always mesh mod your skimmer for more power.

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10041569#post10041569 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
We already tested the metal alloy mesh (a special Hastelloy) and our new BM 300 will have those babies on the (highspeed-) pump.

On the other hand koraltek is absolutely right. The mesh we use right now is very cheap and easy to replace. In contrast to our old Eheim (Diameter of the Threadwheel was 57 mm) the Sicce pumps only have a diameter of 46mm. And because of this the durability is much better.

But we defently will have two possibilities in the Future. The Price of the new metal alloy mesh is a little higher (5-10 Euro per Pump) but we think it is a good option.

regards
Oliver

And by the way. The BM 160 and Powermoduls are on the way...

Will you be offering the mesh replacements already cut out when we need to replace the mesh pad? So the performance and airtake stay consistent?

[Oliver P.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10047968#post10047968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Anyway those new metal alloy mesh wheels will ever make there way to the BM160's???:D

Well, at the moment we are still testing the metal alloy mesh wheels on our new BM 300. Now, we are able to reach an air-intake of max. 3000 lph (at 40 Watt) with only one of our small Pumps.

I am not kidding. May be I will show a video of one pump in action later.

Of course, you cant connect one of these new pumps on a BM 160. We have to create a new and much smaller metal alloy mesh wheel for the BM 160. In 2-3 weeks we know more....

thanks,

Oliver

[Oliver P.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10115312#post10115312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Will you be offering the mesh replacements already cut out when we need to replace the mesh pad?

Unfortunately that doesnt work. It is better to cut out the mesh replacements after it is fixed on the Rotor. But we are thinking on a disk in the right size that makes it much easier to cut out the mesh replacements after it is fixed on the Rotor.

Thanks,
Oliver

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10121404#post10121404 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
Well, at the moment we are still testing the metal alloy mesh wheels on our new BM 300. Now, we are able to reach an air-intake of max. 3000 lph (at 40 Watt) with only one of our small Pumps.

I am not kidding. May be I will show a video of one pump in action later.

Of course, you cant connect one of these new pumps on a BM 160. We have to create a new and much smaller metal alloy mesh wheel for the BM 160. In 2-3 weeks we know more....

thanks,

Oliver


Hi Oliver

this will mean that 2 pump can pull around 5000LPH it will not be to much to the skimmer body ?

it's also look as i thought the the metal alloy mesh increase the watt in the pump to .

how it's cut the water compare to the enkamat ?

i think mayby to try it on the regular Sicce pump to see the different ... did you test it on regular pump ?

thanks
michael

[Oliver P.]

Hi Michael,

this will mean that 2 pump can pull around 5000LPH it will not be to much to the skimmer body ?

Yes, two pumps can easily pull more than 5000 LPH and that is the reason why we had to creat a bigger skimmerbody for the BM 300.

it's also look as i thought the the metal alloy mesh increase the watt in the pump to .

No, the Efficiency of each Pump is higher. Here are some facts:

3000 lph = 41 Watt
2500 lph = 35 Watt
2000 lph = 28 Watt

how it's cut the water compare to the enkamat ?

This is hard to discribe, but I looks very similar.


did you test it on regular pump ?

yes. Without the Controller we have 2000 lph (28-30 Watt).

regards,
Oliver

[mavgi]

it's very interesting ..... i like to try it on the BM250 i know it will be to much for the skimmer body with 2 pump but i want to compare the skimming result and foaming . i also want to see how the break in time will work with the alloy compare to the enkamat .

in the past i try stanley steel but i didn't saw a big different .

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10121451#post10121451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oliver P.
Unfortunately that doesnt work. It is better to cut out the mesh replacements after it is fixed on the Rotor. But we are thinking on a disk in the right size that makes it much easier to cut out the mesh replacements after it is fixed on the Rotor.

Thanks,
Oliver
Will you be providing the mesh material when we need replacements? Will the mesh material have the same thickness as the original that came with the pump? How will we know if the mesh we cut will have the same performance and air draw as the original one? Seems like there will be differences in performance when replacing mesh pads. It would be better if you incorporate the alloy mesh wheel to the BM160 so we can count on consistent performance and easier replacement instead of the DIY route.

[Ginzo]

are we ever going to get these skimmers BM160 ???????

Let me guess, in 2-3 weeks... :rolleyes:

[klam114]

I heard that the BM160 will be ready to ship out the week of June 25th. Sounds like they are already within the USA, must still clear US Customs and all that stuff.

[Ginzo]

yeah..must clear US customs...have been hearing that one for quite a while also :rolleyes:

[taketz]

Yeah, heard from ED when I pre-ordered mine that they're coming in the 25th. Plus, got a great deal on shipping from him, only a flat $15 for RC members.

Can't wait for this sucker to replace my ER-RS80 :)

[chinzman93]

I received this email from Reefgeek today. I thought some people on this thread may be interested in this:

Hi Clay,

We actually have a bunch on the new ATI Bubble Master 160's in route from Germany as we speak. (They are due to arrive any day now.) If you are interested in one, please give us a call on the toll-free at 866-295-9230 so we can add you to the pre-order list. They are going to retail for $459. (No deposit is currently required.)

Technical Specifications:

1. Sump space required for the Skimmer only : 7" x 8"
2. Overall Height: 20"
3. Clearing Height: 20.3 "
4. Reaction chamber diameter: 6.6" (instead of 5.9")
5. Neck diameter: 4" (instead of 3")
5. Air intake: 800 lph
6. Waterflow: 1200 lph
7. Pump power consumption: 21 Watt @115/120 VAC 60 Hz

Realistic Rating:
Average Load 140 gal
Heavy Load 100 gal


If you have any additional questions just let me know. We are here to help!

[taketz]

Gotta love how little space it takes up. Perfect for my cube set-up with limited space under the stand.

[Reef Sponger]

chinzman93 - Good info. Surprised that only need 1/3" to remove the collection cup unless they've change the design as the earlier BM!50 model needed 1.5" to 2" to remove the collection cup.

taketz - I also heard this afternoon that the BM160s should be ready to ship later that week of 25th. I'm waiting on mine as well from Ed. Check with Ed again, I thought he said RC pre-order discount is flat rate s/h/i at $10? Great s/h/i within the same state, but cross nation is a steal.

[taketz]

Yeah, maybe thats it. Either way, shipping that thing all the way down here in Fl should be MUCH more than that.

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10138601#post10138601 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ginzo
yeah..must clear US customs...have been hearing that one for quite a while also :rolleyes:
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9995796#post9995796 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by klam114
Just heard from my local dealer, it will be 3-4 weeks, the BM160s are coming in. Just thought all you anxious people like to know.
At the end of May, I was able to get an update from our local dealer, who keeps in close contact with ReefGeek. I think that end of June when the BM160s will go out is within the 4 week original estimate. I wouldn't be surprised it they were already in the USA and just waiting to clear US Customs and arrive in the warehouse sometime next week. Then all will go out sometime the following week, which brings us to the week of June 25th.

[slant77]

Yes they made it to customs last week so they should be in route anyday now to reefgeek.

[Pitcom]

I've been reading alot of good things about the ATI skimmers, I was looking at getting one for my 65gmain/28gsump, would the BM160 be too big? Thanks

[Reef Sponger]

IMO, it's a perfect fit. I saw somewhere it works best for 40g-100g heavy, or up to 150g normal. You have around 80g total water volume, so it's a good fit.

I have one pre-ordered for my 75g anemone tank with 30g sump.

[Ginzo]

It's 1 week later..and still no sign of the BM160 ! :rolleyes:

Why am I not surprised ? Those guys at the US Customs must be having some serious fun with those skimmers ! Geez

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10150212#post10150212 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slant77
Yes they made it to customs last week so they should be in route anyday now to reefgeek.

[slant77]

You should be getting that call real soon at least thats the impression I got when I talked to greg yesterday night.

[chinzman93]

Anyone have updates on this yet?

[Reef Sponger]

Last I heard on my pre-order is early next week. Let's give them a buffer and say that it's probably no later than next Friday.

[slant77]

Is it possible this will be the last time we hear next week?

[chinzman93]

Yes.......at least until next week. :)

[sdhinds81]

Ok really want a BM 160 any word on availability yet?

[Ginzo]

yeah..."next week" ! :D

[slant77]

In 2008

[slant77]

I talked to greg today and they do have the first round of Bm160 and the boxes for those should be ready in a day or two. So for those of you who are towards the top of the people waiting you should get a call before friday the 20th is over.
While I was on the phone I asked about the boxes for the ati light fixtures and they are still a week or two off from getting those.

[taketz]

Woot, might be able to get them within a Month of when we were supposed to for SURE have them :D

Whatever, what can ya do? I just hope they are worth the wait!

[hogben]

I was called this afternoon, I guess my preorder was in soon enough because it's shipping today.

[Reef Sponger]

I just checked and mine is shipping out this Thursday.

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10359943#post10359943 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
I just checked and mine is shipping out this Thursday.

Probably same as mine, heard Thursday as today, wishful thinking!

[slant77]

Hogben if you were told today then I would say that is when it was shipped. Im sure they are shipping them out in the order the names were on the lists and they will take a few days to ship them all out.

[Nuuze]

pics, pics and more pics when you guys get them! :)

[taketz]

Mines supposed to be shipped thursday also. I'll be sure to post pictures for you Nuuze.

[jokerjp]

Mine shipped last night! I guess being patient for the last 6 months is finally going to pay dividends. Hopefully this thing is as good as I've made it out to be in my mind :-)

Unfortunately scheduled delivery to the midwest is 7/23. If no one has posted pictures by Monday you can count on me to take care of that.

[hogben]

Did ship out yesterday, and it is out for delivery right now, hooray!

[Shultz]

Come on guys! lets see some pics & thoughts about this skimmer please?

Cheers, Shelton.

[jleichtman]

Pictures and first thoughts pretty please with sugar on top.

I can't wait to hear how the 160s work.

Cheers

Joshua

[hogben]

I already updated my sig and it's not running yet :D

Going to rinse it tonight and set it up next to my ASM G3.

The ASM is a bit oversized for my tank, a little noisy, and I know draws a bit of power with the mods I have done. It pulls about 1/4-1/2 a cup of dark tea green skimmate a day.

So I'm looking to downsize (or upsize?) to the 160 hopefully reducing the watts but keeping or improving on the efficiency I already have.

[spleen93]

Mine's on its way too - should be here on Friday. :)

Spleen

[chinzman93]

What do UFO's, Bigfoot, and the BM160 have in common?

>> Some people believe in them, but know has ever seen!......8)


Good luck on the shipments....or better luck next week!

[chinzman93]

Crap!.....Too drunk to type and the joke bombed!

Like I said, good luck. I am waiting on a few user experiences before I purchase.

[hogben]

The 160 came this evening, but I won't be posting pics anytime soon.

Let's just say UPS has a new service to "break" in your skimmers before they arrive. :(

[Reef Sponger]

I got tracking # on mine, it shipped yesterday. But won't be here until early next week.

[spleen93]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10368596#post10368596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogben
The 160 came this evening, but I won't be posting pics anytime soon.

Let's just say UPS has a new service to "break" in your skimmers before they arrive. :(

Ugh ... sorry to hear about that. :(

Spleen

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10368596#post10368596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogben
The 160 came this evening, but I won't be posting pics anytime soon.

Let's just say UPS has a new service to "break" in your skimmers before they arrive. :( Bummer and you got yours overnight too.

[jleichtman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10368596#post10368596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogben
The 160 came this evening, but I won't be posting pics anytime soon.

Let's just say UPS has a new service to "break" in your skimmers before they arrive. :(

Actully you need to take pictures of the broken equipment in case UPS/FedEx/USPS decides to say it wasn't damaged in shipment.

Better to be safe then sorry.

Sorry to hear about your bit of bad luck!!!

That truely sucks

Joshua

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10370271#post10370271 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jleichtman
Actully you need to take pictures of the broken equipment in case UPS/FedEx/USPS decides to say it wasn't damaged in shipment.

Better to be safe then sorry.

Sorry to hear about your bit of bad luck!!!

That truely sucks

Joshua

Yeah it's all taken care of. Just a little set back. The 160 looks really good though!

[Shultz]

Still can't decide whether to go for one of these BM160's or the Fauna Marin UltraSkim1???????

Cheers, Shelton.

[skimmy]

ATI is cheaper and more productive, the fauna marin skimmers use either needle wheel or regular venturi, so the bm160 will pull more air and probably skim alot better.
ATI used this technology like 7 years ago, there's a reason why they changed away from it...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/fragfu/prod_ATIskimmer_lrg.jpg

[Shultz]

The only thing that worries me about the BM160 as nobody actually seems to have seen one running! its a new design & considering they are now on a version 4 of the other ones in the range now long will it be before they mod this one?

Just playing devils advocate really, I know there's not much in it for either.......

Cheers, Shelton.

[Ginzo]

I'm very surprised nobody has actually posted a picture of the BM160 in there sump yet...waited all this time and no pic !!! :confused:

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10380638#post10380638 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ginzo
I'm very surprised nobody has actually posted a picture of the BM160 in there sump yet...waited all this time and no pic !!! :confused:

Many are getting them shipped in today, I would check back tonight.

[taketz]

Mine was shipped Wednesday night, should be here by the 25th. I'll be sure to post some pics when I get it and when its up and running.

[skimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10379856#post10379856 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Shultz
The only thing that worries me about the BM160 as nobody actually seems to have seen one running! its a new design & considering they are now on a version 4 of the other ones in the range now long will it be before they mod this one?

Just playing devils advocate really, I know there's not much in it for either.......

Cheers, Shelton.

that to me doesnt really matter,even the first generation bm150 was awesome!!!
set to skim wet, 24hrs of skimmate:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/fragfu/IMG_2533__Medium_.jpg

[spleen93]

Mine arrived today (intact, whew!). Unfortunately, won't get a chance to install it for 2 days so no action shots, sorry. Nice foam/box that it came in, though.

Spleen

[skimmy]

let's see it!! :)

[spleen93]

OK, finally got around to taking pics and setting things up.

First off, kudos to RG ... considering that they didn't originally come in a box from Germany and RG had to make their own, they did a nice job. Packaging seems to be done very well. It'd have to be really abused by your local delivery company to break from what I've seen.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM1.jpg

This shows the skimmer, the custom built foam for the skimmer, and the box that it came in.

After unpacking, looking at the infamous gate valve assembly - one of the major changes from the BM 150.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM2.jpg

It cracks me up that the gate valve turns in the opposite direction of normal. Maybe we're just different from Germany that way??

Here's a close up of the reaction chamber.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM3.jpg

OK, and here's the problem that I discovered when I studied the skimmer more closely.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM4.jpg

The red arrows point to two supports for the platform that apparently have not held onto their original positions and have slipped. This apparently must have happened quite soon after assembly since the supports appear to be glued into place where they are now. Because of this, the platform is ever so slightly tilted to one side. Since they are not loose, this does not appear to be a shipping problem.

And for comparison's sake, the other two supports on the other side of the platform.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM5.jpg

The arrows here point to the supports that do not show signs of slippage off of their originally set positions.

Frankly, I don't care as long as it doesn't have any effect on performance. So with that in mind, let's turn this baby on! After washing the skimmer in warm water as recommended in the manual that RG included, the skimmer was placed in the sump and turned on World's most awful racket ensued from the pump with no water entering the reaction chamber. Pulled the skimmer out of the sump and took apart the pump. It looked OK ... mesh seemed to be the right size, nothing blocking the impeller. I stuck the pump into a bucket of water without the skimmer and turned it back on. Sure enough, it started up fine this time. Reassembled the skimmer and placed it back into the sump and turned it back on. And we have liftoff!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/spleen93/Fish/ati/ATIBM7.jpg

The amount of bubbles this thing is making is amazing. And I used to think that my old ER 6-1 made a lot of bubbles. We'll see how long it takes to break in!

Spleen

[hogben]

Interesting the wingnuts holding the bottom cable on yours were replaced with small acriylic pieces on mine that were permanently attached.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/150385attach.jpg

That cable around the middle is an extra right? Is it needed to hold anything on?

[spleen93]

It's an extra O-ring. I'm leaving it there 'cause otherwise I'll lose it. :)

Very interesting that yours has acrylic pieces rather than the wingnuts. Seems like ATI is continuing to make small changes to the skimmer.

Spleen

[hogben]

[i]Very interesting that yours has acrylic pieces rather than the wingnuts. Seems like ATI is continuing to make small changes to the skimmer.

Spleen [/B]

Yeah the original did, my replacement is coming on Monday, now I'm wondering what it will have. :D

[skimmy]

im calling reef geek today...
my bm160 came in broken in the same spot:mad2:

it is obvious that you cannot ship it with the pump attached to the body, it's too heavy, and ups is too retarded...
but to have 4 little points that hold that center piece in is kinda asking for it...every time it gets shipped or every time a customer tries to take the pump off there is going to be a chance they break it. im definately a little dissapointed after this long wait only to discover that it isnt even a stong enough design to ship it properly....:(

i really hope oliver redesigns this flaw out very, very soon!

[Reef Sponger]

Here's some photos right out of the box. I got mine from KM Associates Int'l in San Francisco and it arrived in 3 business days.
<IMG SRC="http://usera.imagecave.com/Reef-Sponger/Skimmers/BM160A7-23-2007.jpg">
<IMG SRC="http://usera.imagecave.com/Reef-Sponger/Skimmers/BM160B7-23-2007.jpg">
I am just a little disappointed in the built quality as compared to all the Euro-Reef and my new H&S skimmers, takes some getting use to lower quality construction. But the posts I read earlier about the body being too fragile, I don't see that at all as the acrylic is thick (might be a change). Also, I've seen many posts on how easily the pump can slip off, must be a change with this model as the surgical quality silicone hose goes around the outside of the pump and the other end attaches around the outside of the acrylic tube within the skimmer. This internal pump design certainly saves a lot of space for those who have very limited sump space, like me. I agree that a weak spot is the 4 points where the pump plate attaches to the skimmer body, but I would think it is a simple fix, just add a support rod under each weak glue point. I don't like the way the bottom plate is held into place with an O-Ring, one more item to replace periodically and makes the skimmer look cheaply made. But again, I could see how easy it would be to remove the bottom plate for pump maintenace. My only real concern is how difficult it would be to reinstall the pump after cleaning & maintenance as it looks like a really tight fit. I CAN'T WAIT to see this guy in action, but won't have time until this weekend as I need to leave for a 3 day work seminar.

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10395489#post10395489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by koraltek
im calling reef geek today...
my bm160 came in broken in the same spot:mad2:

that sucks they got you too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tN94ePhsd4

[jokerjp]

Another one bites the dust.....got this from UPS today. I was really excited for the first 30 seconds till I got the box open.

:mad:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/117567IMG_1965.JPG


The good news is I know Greg will take care of me....the bad news is I've been waiting for quite a while and this isn't exactly the "first impression" I was hoping for.....

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/117567IMG_1965.JPG

[jokerjp]

Well...that was SUPPOSED to be 2 different pictures :-)

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/117567IMG_1962.JPG

[slant77]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q313/slant77/skimmer.jpg

[slant77]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q313/slant77/skimmer.jpg

[taketz]

Aww, man...That sucks guys. Man, I'm getting nervous.

[spleen93]

Actually I took the pump off and put it back on as my initial breakin and while it was sort of a pain, it wasn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.

Spleen

[hogben]

Got mine in today, Greg put in some extra padding this time for my special UPS friends.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160.jpg

This version has the wingnuts like the others I have seen, don't know what was up with those other pieces.

I just rinsed it and am letting in run some more in a bucket before I drop it in sump.

[spleen93]

Wow, slant77 - that's definitely worse than mine. My sympathies. :(

Spleen

[skimmy]

the pain...THE PAIN!!!:mixed:

[spleen93]

OK, so after seeing multiple posts about people having the same problem with their BM160s, I'm forced to retract my former statement and agree with others that it does look like shipping damage. Maybe my platform was just wedged in tightly enough that it gave the illusion that it was glued in place. I wasn't about to yank on it hard. :D

Agree that adding more support to the pump in the box would probably alleviate these problems - the momentum of the pump bouncing up and down with movement is probably what's breaking the platform loose.

Spleen

[hogben]

How is your break in going and what is the water level in your sump?

Moved mine in this morning to continue the process:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/150385bm160-1.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/150385bm160-2.jpg

[Freds]

How hard is it to service the pump? Owning a BM 200, I know that you need to trim the mesh a bit until you find the sweet spot. You also have to check it periodically for anything caught in it as that will hinder performance. Is it easy to get the pump and impeller out to perform maintenance to it? It looks like it's a tight fit.

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10404097#post10404097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
How hard is it to service the pump? Owning a BM 200, I know that you need to trim the mesh a bit until you find the sweet spot. You also have to check it periodically for anything caught in it as that will hinder performance. Is it easy to get the pump and impeller out to perform maintenance to it? It looks like it's a tight fit. I think the larger mesh occurred more with the first & second generation BM200, from what I've read. So, I don't intend to have any trimming to do with this BM160 when I setup this weekend. I guess I was one of the lucky ones as mine came in perfect condition. But I am concerned that the routine pump maintenance will be a bear even with small hands like mine. Not only is it a tight fit, but that pump is really tightly held in place by the surgical tubing. I have seen others post to rub a little silicone grease onto tight connections like this and it should be a breeze to reinstall, we'll see.

hogben - I would adjust your bubble level up about 5" or so. My instructions from my skimmer dealer says to start the bubble breaking level even with the bottom of the collection cup and it looks like yours may be about 5" or 6" below that point.

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10404344#post10404344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
hogben - I would adjust your bubble level up about 5" or so. My instructions from my skimmer dealer says to start the bubble breaking level even with the bottom of the collection cup and it looks like yours may be about 5" or 6" below that point.

Thanks, I was about to ask some questions. I was expecting the bubble breaking level to be much higher, above the neck and a bit into the cup.

So far I've tried closing the valve to raise the water level but it only goes up maybe two inches. You can see in my first photo how far closed the gate valve is.

I have the skimmer sitting in 6.5" of water since the instructions said 6"-7" was preferred. But it seems like it is pulling a lot more air and not enough water. I was attributing this to breaking in.

[Reef Sponger]

I received the same instructions from my skimmer dealer, to keep it about 6" of sump water level and this was because of his previous experience with the BM150. I won't be able to install mine until this weekend, but if you can get the bubble level up inside your skimmer, you'll need to lower your skimmer so that the waterlevel within your skimmer raises naturally. Try lowering the skimmer so that the sump water level is about 8" deep, you should be able to get a few inches more higher bubble level.

[hogben]

I'll let it run some more, and try adding another 1.5" depth to the water later, thanks.

[Freds]

Doesn't ATI recommend doing pump maintenance every month for the 160? They do for the 200. They say the impeller should be checked and cleaned of debris as well as the venturi and other misc. parts. Do you have to remove the entire skimmer to do that or can the pump be accessed easily? IE: can you pull the top off to get to it?

I'd hate to have to pull the whole thing out and take it apart every month. Please tell me that it's easy to do.

[Freds]

Also leave your bubble breaking where it is, as your skimmer breaks in it will rise. If you set it to where it "should" be as it breaks in it will overflow your cup.

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10405076#post10405076 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
Do you have to remove the entire skimmer to do that or can the pump be accessed easily? IE: can you pull the top off to get to it?

I'd hate to have to pull the whole thing out and take it apart every month. Please tell me that it's easy to do.

The bottom plate is removed easily but the skimmer needs removed to do so, because the internal acrylic is glued in place.

I wouldn't say the pump is difficult to remove or install, but you do need full access to the skimmer.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10405079#post10405079 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
Also leave your bubble breaking where it is, as your skimmer breaks in it will rise. If you set it to where it "should" be as it breaks in it will overflow your cup.

This is what I have read so I'm just going to let it keep going. It certainly is pulling a lot of air. I can feel it blowing out of the holes in the collection cup, and the air tube has some good suction.

[Freds]

Do you find there to be a lot of turbulence in the neck (if you set it that high?)

My only concern would be that since the outlet is set to blow around the inside of the tube rather than up as in the other models, there could be too much turbulence. Yes? No?

[hogben]

It's hard to say without it being full of water. The design is the same as the 150 (water blows around the inside) so I assume if it worked there it's ok here.

ATI said they didn't see any difference with using a bubble plate on the newer 160 design. I guess that's why they left it out.

I think the larger diameter body and changes to the pump probably also help reduce any turbulence.

Once someone can show a 160 properly broken in I guess we will know more.

[hogben]

Hmm taking another look at this video and other pics posted:

http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm160.swf

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/DSCF4869.jpg

I would say raising the water level in the sump is more then likely necessary. They seem to be running it in more then eight inches of water in the sump which is not what the printed instructions said. Both water levels in the sump of the video and picture are above the internal platform of the skimmer.

[slant77]

It will be nice to see at what level everyone ends up running their skimmer at. I have mine at 7 and it seems a bit off although I will let it brake in a few days before I lower it somemore.

[spleen93]

Discovered a problem when I turned my skimmer off tonight as part of my normal feeding process. When the power comes back on, the pump rattling begins again - doesn't fix itself by leaving it on. Disassembled the pump and checked the mesh. Trimmed some of the stragglers coming out of the mesh that was larger than 45 mm which fixed the problem when I tested the pump by itself in water but the rattling resumed when I reassembled the skimmer and put it back into water. I can make it go away by putting my hand in front of the pump intake for a few seconds -- then the pump seems to "catch" and it fills the body with the normal white bubbling froth I'm used to now but it's not very practical to expect me (or somebody else) to put their hand in front of the pump intake every time the power goes off or I feed the tank. I got tired of playing with it for the night so I'll play with it again tomorrow when I have more time. Might have to give RG a call tomorrow to see if they have any insight.

FWIW, my skimmer is sitting in about 6 inches of water. Before I turned it off tonight, I was starting to develop some brown foam right below the neck.

Spleen

[hogben]

I raised the water level in the sump to 8" and closed the gate valve a bit, it looks much more like the photos and video.

I get the same pump rattle on startup now, the hand in front of the intake works.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-3.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-4.jpg

[Ginzo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10409876#post10409876 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogben

I get the same pump rattle on startup now, the hand in front of the intake works.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-3.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-4.jpg

That's when you kinda wished you had went with the BubbleKing Mini 160 instead :) hehe

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10410047#post10410047 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ginzo
That's when you kinda wished you had went with the BubbleKing Mini 160 instead :) hehe

Not really no, I'd rather hand in front of the pump and save the extra $400 :) hehe

[spleen93]

LOL! Differential between BM 160 and BK 160 = $400. The ability to leave your skimmer for a week or two while away on vacation = priceless.

My foam looks like yours now hogben. Seems to be breaking in very quickly.

Spleen

[hogben]

Break in is going well, I got some light tea and foam in the collection cup. I had to close the gate valve to get it to into the collection cup which was not a stable setting, so I opened it back up, but looking good so far!

[spleen93]

I'm also getting light tea colored skimmate in the cup. As with previous BM skimmers, the head of foam is relatively unstable - just slight changes in adding food to the tank will cause the foam to collapse completely. Since I've readjusted my RK2 to keep the skimmer on during feeding (and since the back siphon from my returns into the sump causes my skimmer compartment to rise in level), this is not necessarily a bad thing to prevent overflows. Still tweaking the gate valve to find the sweet spot. Still very impressive for less than a week break-in.

Spleen

[Freds]

I've never experienced any of the "foam collapsing" issues on my BM 200. I attribute that to having my RK2 shut off my skimmer during feeding and waiting 15 minutes after standby to turn it back on. After that 15 minute break (25 minutes total) it skims right back up to where it was before the standby with no change in bubble height.

I feed cyclopeeze, phyto, mysis, sp. enriched brine, nls pellet and sometimes newly hatched brine. Of course, not all at once.

(Back to topic :) )

[hogben]

Good tip I'll try that. It's probably something that matures with a longer break in, a nice clear coat on the inside should help a lot.

My older ASM was less susceptible to any foam collapsing during feeding while running, and would be back to full production in minutes. But that thing was nicely seasoned.

[Freds]

Any updates from the new 160 owners?

[hogben]

So far I am getting the same, or more, quantity and similar quality skim as my mesh modded ASM G3.

Haven't tried the turn off skimmer for feeding thing. It takes about an hour or two to start building a foam head again.

I was getting some larger bubbles traveling up the neck, looks like they're becoming less though.

I think my water level in the skimmer is still pretty low. I'm running in 7" of water now with the gate valve closed almost all the way. But it's skimming and no overflow problems so.

[slant77]

So far Im not to impressed with the amount of time it takes for the foam head to start back up after I add food.

[klam114]

My BM200 has always taken at least an hour to regain its foam head once it breaks. But what it took out once it kicked back in is so much more than anything else I've used or seen. It skims out phosphates more efficiently and reduced hair algae challenges. My tank water became crystal clear.

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10448966#post10448966 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by slant77
So far Im not to impressed with the amount of time it takes for the foam head to start back up after I add food.

What water depth in your sump are you running, and how open is your gate vale?

[slant77]

It is at 8" with the gate valve turned down a little.

[spleen93]

Mine is in 6.5 inches of water with the gate valve closed almost all the way as well. Takes about 2-3 hours to rebuild head after turning power off. Some times it skims well and at other times, it's bubbling right below the cup ... but then again, this skimmer is oversized for my tank so maybe that's why (50 gallon)

Spleen

[Freds]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10424661#post10424661 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
I've never experienced any of the "foam collapsing" issues on my BM 200. I attribute that to having my RK2 shut off my skimmer during feeding and waiting 15 minutes after standby to turn it back on. After that 15 minute break (25 minutes total) it skims right back up to where it was before the standby with no change in bubble height.

I feed cyclopeeze, phyto, mysis, sp. enriched brine, nls pellet and sometimes newly hatched brine. Of course, not all at once.

(Back to topic :) )

Give it a shot, it works for me.

[spleen93]

Actually, that's what my settings are set to now - I've gone back to turning off the skimmer while feeding and waiting for about 10-15 minutes before turning it back on. I get fluctuating bubble level - stays low for about 15 minutes and then tends to overflow. After dumping it back into the tank, then the level stabilizes to what it usually goes to. Still tweaking. The skimmer *sometimes* auto-starts after being turned back on after clunking for about 30 seconds or so ... but other times, still requires the hand waving in front of the intake to get it to "catch".

Spleen

[hogben]

I've got a dwyer airmeter and a killowatt coming so I can see how it's preforming besides what I can see visually.

[hogben]

Forgot to add that I checked out the mesh today and trimmed a few stragglers. Pump started up by itself this time.

[spleen93]

Now when you trim the stragglers, do you trim the mesh pieces that stick out more than 44-45 mm diameter or do you trim the mesh pieces that rise above the level of the disc?

Spleen

[Reef Sponger]

Probably both. Just so that the mesh material is more even and balanced.

[hogben]

Yeah what I did was gently pull around on it, and any really long pieces I could see extending from spinning and rubbing on the inside of the volute I cut off.

It was only a few pieces and I didn't trim very much. I believe this is outlined in the instructions, it's also what I've read on mesh mod discussions. The rubbing mesh can cause restart problems.

[spleen93]

OK, project for the weekend, thanks for the suggestions. :) Tried letting it restart on its own right now and it didn't. :(

Spleen

[DeltecRules]

So what do you guys think of these BM160's? I am tempted between a Bubble king mini 180 and the BM 160.

[hogben]

I'm am not experienced with using a dwyer air meter, but I received an rma-7 that goes from 0 to 50 scfh

I don't have a good connector for it yet, but I held the airline tubing up to the output and it was reading at 40 scfh, I was expecting around 30

that's well over the rated 800 lph (~28scfh)

my question is, if that reading is correct, would that be too much air for this skimmer?

[hogben]

Updated photos, two days after a cleaning:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-d.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/150385bm160-e.jpg

[jokerjp]

hogben - Do you think your BM is broken in yet? My replacement will be here on Wed....and i plan to run it in a tub for 2 weeks while I'm on vacation. Once i return I plan to setup my new tank and hope to have a fully broken in BM.

The bubble level appears to be at a good spot from the pic. What water level are you currently running and what depth is the skimmer in now?

jp

[hogben]

I think it could use some more breaking in, but is doing well. You can see from the picture it's still pretty light, but I've been running it fairly wet.

The skimmer is sitting in about 6 & 3/4" of water in the sump. The gate valve is closed such that there is about a 1/4" opening.

I am also trying a silencer on the air intake, which has reduced the air a bit, and also raised the water level inside the skimmer. I have a killowatt coming so I can check to make sure restricting the air hasn't caused the watts to increase too much.

I still would like to hear if a reading of 40 scfh (if correct) is too much for the bm160. I figure the spec was around 28 scfh and that is the optimal air, then something higher may not be a good thing?

[spleen93]

Well, the trimming of my mesh has resolved my start up problems. It has required me to readjust the gate valve (again) so once again, still tuning. But my skimmate does look similar to hogben's though. Bubble breaking point about the middle of the cup.

Sorry, don't have an air flow meter so can't corroborate your readings, hogben. Hmmm .. maybe should look at getting one.

Spleen

[hopkisag1]

Any idea why I am not getting very many bubbles at all. I have checked my air line and see no obstructions. Is this how your skimmers looked after 15 minutes of operation?

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/hopkinsag1/?action=view&current=DSCN1325.flv

[DeltecRules]

Is this in saltwater? If it is you better check your threadwheel. It should be producing tons of bubbles.

[hopkisag1]

It is in saltwater now. I reduced the amount of air coming into the pump and it increased the amount of bubbles. Weird.

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10496171#post10496171 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hopkisag1
It is in saltwater now. I reduced the amount of air coming into the pump and it increased the amount of bubbles. Weird.

did you check your impeller ? try to see if the mesh attach to the wheel impeller and not release or get loose from the zip ties .

when i look on your video i saw in the left side of the intake white piece look like a small pipe what is this can you make clear photo on that intake , if the mesh not release you have problem with the air pipe there it's hard to see from the video but i think your pump not suck air ...

[spleen93]

That looks like what my skimmer used to look like before the impeller "caught". Is it making a lot of noise? If so, try the hand waving technique in front of the pump intake that hogben and I described earlier in this thread. If you hold a few fingers in front of the intake for a few seconds, your pump may "catch" and the skimmer will suddenly fill with water and air.

Also make sure that your air intake isn't kinked or the portion of the tube that enters through the hole in the skimmer body isn't cut somehow.

Spleen

[hopkisag1]

I think its working now, just needed to break in. I will throw it into my sump tonight and take a better video.

[skimmy]

just wanted to say kudos to reefgeek for fixing the shipping problem so quickly with the bm160, now they "arrive alive"with a little extra glue on those 4 points and the pump is taken out of the body...ups will really have to work now to break these things.
thanks greg!! :)

[hogben]

The "kill a watt" meter I have measures the pump at 24 watts with no air restriction, and it is pulling around 40 scfh of air. Restricting the air which isn't really necessary as I've been running it open fine, causes the watts to raise to 30.

[DeltecRules]

Any update shots of the skimmers in action?

[spleen93]

(sigh) After the latest mesh trimming episode, I've got the skimmer to restart normally on its own at this time. Unfortunately, it's also killed the skimming. So now, the skimmer alternates between bubbling at the bottom of the cup not forming a head or overflowing the cup :(

I'm wondering if I over trimmed since I was able to produce skimmate before - I've got an Email out to RG to get their input.

Spleen

[hogben]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10536793#post10536793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DeltecRules
Any update shots of the skimmers in action?

I'll get some up tonight with shots of the air draw and watts also.

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10537504#post10537504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spleen93
(sigh) After the latest mesh trimming episode, I've got the skimmer to restart normally on its own at this time. Unfortunately, it's also killed the skimming. So now, the skimmer alternates between bubbling at the bottom of the cup not forming a head or overflowing the cup :(

I'm wondering if I over trimmed since I was able to produce skimmate before - I've got an Email out to RG to get their input.

Spleen I don't think your situation has anything to do with the trimming of the mesh as the symptoms you describe isn't related to mesh size. Not sure what it could be.

[spleen93]

And RG agrees with you. They still recommend slow adjustments of the gate valve. Still playing with it. At least no overflows in the last 2 days (crossing fingers)

Spleen

[hogben]

I'm also going to try running it dry to see what happens.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/150385bm160three.jpg

[klam114]

I remember when the BM150s were out, the power draw was on 17 watts. The pump must be running a lot stronger than before to gain extra 7 watts. I know the mesh diameter is much larger, plus body size, riser and exhaust all are larger diameter as well. There's no restriction on the air hose now too. I hate to admit, but this unit probably runs as well or better than the Deltec APF600 and H&S 150-F2001. Those 2 units draw air at about 500-600lph and the BM160 is drawing over 1,000lph. Wow, I need to stopby my skimmer dealer's place to check this out more.

hogben, thanks for sharing the info and photos, it's really helpful

[DeltecRules]

Any update shots of the skimmer?

[Adamc1303]

Joining this thread. Just got the BM160!

[klam114]

Here's another new BM160 owner:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1192689

[Adamc1303]

I got mine today. They started shipping them in 2 boxes now the skimmer in one and the pump in the other. I ran it in warm water with vinegar for about 4 hours and then rinsed it and started on my tank. So far the bubbles are at the bottom of the neck of the collection cup. This skimmer looks likes it's gonna be a beast. I almost skimmed the vinegar water and that's fresh!

[Adamc1303]

The pump rattles like crazy when I turn the skimmer on. I put my finger over the pump intake for a second and it fixes it. Would anyone know why?

[spleen93]

The "hand waving" technique to get the pump to catch has been documented a number of times in this thread. Usually trimming your mesh will help shorten the duration of time that it takes for the pump to naturally "catch" and to start operating normally. Suspect that the pump is cavitating but don't know that for sure ...

Spleen

[Adamc1303]

How long should break in time take?

[revenant]

I got my BM160 today! I ran it in a solution of 20% DWV and 80% tap.. for about an hour or so.. then rinsed and plunked it in my sump... now the break in wait... so far looks like there were still some oils in/on it because the bubbles are evapatorating rapidly.. I need to almost close the gate to get the bubbles to come up to the neck. It's sitting in about 8" of water.. going to keep an eye on it.. I know once the slime layer forms on the plastics it's going go ballistic! lol. ..waiting now.. perhaps I should open the gate to about 1/3 open so it doesn't decided to foam over in the middle of the night? maybe?

edit: ok - good info in this thread. yay for that. I opened my gate a bit and am going to let it break in more... so far from the pics I have seen mine looks perfectly normal, just not broken in yet. I got mine from a local dealer here in SF and it was in perfect condition. It was packed internally with bubble wrap to keep the pump-plate from getting dislodged during shipping. When I turn it on, I get the rattle for like 1 or 2 seconds then the pump runs fine. and it's drawing a lot of air.. wow! I can feel the air shooting out of the holes in my collection cup, big time! craziness.. This thing going to run rings around my old RS-80.. lol.

[spleen93]

My break in took only about 5-6 days. But the adjustment to the gate valve still continues so in a sense, I guess I'm still in the setup phase. Though I haven't had to touch the gate valve in over a week ... :)

Spleen

[Unarce]

I've only had mine plugged in for 16 hours, but so far I'm thoroughly impressed!

Per the instructions that I've read on RC, I've maintained the bubble breaking level at the bottom of the collection cup. When I fed 1 cube of Hikari Spirulina Brine Shrimp this morning, instead of collapsing, the foam head built up to here almost immediately:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c255/unarcephotos/BM160.jpg

[Adamc1303]

Here is mine after 36 hours. How open or closed should my gate valve be?http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/130976Picture_039.jpg

[Adamc1303]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10550517#post10550517 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogben
I'm also going to try running it dry to see what happens.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/150385bm160three.jpg


After how long did it perform this way? How is your gate valve adjusted.

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10676344#post10676344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Adamc1303
Here is mine after 36 hours. How open or closed should my gate valve be? The gate valve is different for every situation and it depends strictly on your setup. Your photo is just a little bit blurry, so can't tell where your bubble breaking level is at. But it looks fine for now. Leave it at that setting for another day or two.

[Adamc1303]

Where should the bubble breaking level be?

[revenant]

right at the base of the collection cup..(until break-in is done, then dial to your desired level I reckon) I need to adjust mine when I get home.. gah! these last couple of hours at work on fridays always laaaaag. lol!

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677054#post10677054 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by revenant
I need to adjust mine when I get home.. gah! these last couple of hours at work on fridays always laaaaag. lol! I hear you. If it wasn't for being online, this would totally s u c k. Can't wait to get home to your new toy, huh?

Adamc, rev is absolutely correct. Set the bubble breaking level where it turns from the fine bubbles to the bigger bubbles right even with the bottom WHITE plate of the collection cup. I was taught, leave it there for 3 days. Then if the skimming is too dry for your taste, raise it up 1/2", but no more that 1/2" every 24 hours and no sooner. This way you work up to your ideal skimming without ever overflowing the skimmer. Skimmer is very sensitive.

So far, the foamhead on everyone's picture looks really nice.

[tperk9784]

SO ... after reading all this thread over the past few weeks are all you guys who waited and bought one of these babies glad you did?

[Unarce]

It's hard to say for me, since I'm only on hour 21, but this was a downsize/downgrade for me, and I have to say that so far, I'm very pleased with this skimmer's efficiency.

The build quality isn't nearly as nice as my previous skimmer, but I don't plan on spiking the collection cup during the NFL season;) :lol:

[revenant]

I'm at about the same stage, hour 21. I am finally getting some decent skimmate also.. came home to that nice surprize.. woohoo! we have waste! ;) This skimmer is about 3x more powerful than my previous one (E.R. RS80), so I am happy about that for sure.. so far so good.. I have to say the price was a bit steep, but oh well. you tend to get what you pay for with a lot of things.. I think this is one of them. Well, I hope so. Seems like from the positive reports of others this is the case though. :)

[spleen93]

The meshwheel does seem to be much more sensitive to add-ins that any other skimmer I've owned before. Depending on what I feed, the bubble column can collapse quite quickly and stay collapsed for up to 12 hours at a time. It's kind of frustrating at times. At times I wonder if I would have been better off with a standard needle wheel skimmer instead like a H&S. Then again, an appropriately sized H&S skimmer for my tank would probably not have fit into my small sump ...

Spleen

[Adamc1303]

I upgraded from an ASM G2. SO far this skimmer has been m way better and has a smaller foot print. However I am not so sure that if I would have done the mesh wheel mod on the g2 that I would not have gotten the same results. This skimmer is deff a beast!

[revenant]

Well, for far this skimmer is awesome.. it's already cranking crud out of my water..

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/r3v3nant/ATIbm160_2.jpg

I might dial it down just a smidge, but it's been at this level bubbling like this for more than 24 hours (bubbles going 1/2 up the neck) and not over flowing.. I noticed that when I added a cube of mysis my bubble head colapsed for about and hour or so... brine didin't cause the same thing to happen.. crazy. I guess the mesh wheel is a bit sensitive.. else it's a break-in thing..

edit: I have my gate valve just a little open.. maybe 15% to 20% open.. my skimmer was starting to make decent skimmate after about 24 hours...

[Adamc1303]

Mine looks just like that. My skimate is a little lighter though.

[Lumamae]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10683599#post10683599 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Adamc1303
I upgraded from an ASM G2. SO far this skimmer has been m way better and has a smaller foot print. However I am not so sure that if I would have done the mesh wheel mod on the g2 that I would not have gotten the same results. This skimmer is deff a beast! I know for a fact you would not have gotten the same results with the mesh mod. I have everything modded on my G3 and I am looking at this BM160 to switchover to and like what I've read. Do you all think this would be a good match for a 90g mixed reef?

[Adamc1303]

I have it on a 90g Mixed reef.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10690437#post10690437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lumamae
I know for a fact you would not have gotten the same results with the mesh mod. I have everything modded on my G3 and I am looking at this BM160 to switchover to and like what I've read. Do you all think this would be a good match for a 90g mixed reef?

[Lumamae]

I talked to KMAIntl this morning as they are local to me, and based on what Ed recommended, the BM160 would be the best match for my 90g mixed reef. For HEAVY SPS dominated 90g, he would recommend BM200, but BM250 is not needed for a tank that small. He said something about the way this particular skimmer line performs, it doesn't follow the same rules as other high end skimmers from different companies and too big is not a good thing. Ed mentioned that he's personally tested over 25 BM skimmers of all 4 models and all 4 generations, so he has a pretty good idea how each unit behaves on what size tank. I definitely feel good about my conversation with him as he understands the BM skimmer line.

[Mr James]

by Lumamae
I definitely feel good about my conversation with him (Ed at KMA Int'l) as he understands the BM skimmer line.

Yews he does!! I ordered my BM160 from Ed and received it in a timely fashion. Now my tank is still being plumbed, so I am not in a hurry. When it arrived, I was amazed at how small and compact it was. I was also VERY interested in the pump placement and orientation. Not what I expected at all.

Now it did arrive broken. The fracture is internal and looks as though there isn't enough support on the inner plastic plate (which I call the Chinese Throwing Star) to support the weight of the pump through transport and routine maintenance of this skimmer. One of the "wings" on the plate snapped and all four contact points came loose from their glued locations. My profession is Plastics Design Engineer and I have seen enough designs to know that this requires support. In the attached drawing, I suggested that ATi places four acrylic pieces (of whatever shape) underneath the wings to give them the support that they require. Maybe even mold a bead or something into the plate. Glue the support pieces on and then one could possibly let the plate sit freely on the support pieces. For maintenance, simply turn the plate and remove, depending of course on the initial design.

Now, to be honest, I wasn't the least bit worried about this broken piece of equipment. Not because I am rich, but because of the great care Ed put into helping me understand the pros and cons of this skimmer. His professionalism put me at rest. I sent an e-mail to Ed, who was on vacation, and explained where the break was in the skimmer. I also included some pictures of the fracture and offered a design fix. Ed, while on vacation mind you, responded to me with a few e-mails assuring me it would be taken care of. I already knew that. Now THAT is customer service my friends!! When I am on vacation, my mom is lucky to get a phone call. But the basis of Ed's business is putting the customer first, as should all businesses. Ok, now that his head is swelling up.....

One could get worried and tuck tail and run to another brand of skimmer. Not me, I upgraded to the BM200 and ordered from the same place. Should arrive next week, which means I have some serious plumbing to do this weekend.

Attached below are some of the pictures I sent to Ed, as well as my half UGNX3/half Microsoft Paint jpegs of a fix I am suggesting to remedy the problem.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/floridahoosiers/Reef%20-%20Minnesota/A.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/floridahoosiers/Reef%20-%20Minnesota/B.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/floridahoosiers/Reef%20-%20Minnesota/C.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/floridahoosiers/Reef%20-%20Minnesota/cylinder.jpg

[Freds]

Ed is on smack to recommend a BM 200 for a 90 gallon tank. I think it was on zeo but it may have been a European forum, Oliver stated that people should NOT be buying oversized BMs for their tanks. I ran a BM 200 on a Bare bottom heavy stocked, heavy fed 90 and it was WAY too big a skimmer. It pulled out tar for the first two weeks and then nothing (symptom of too big a skimmer syndrome). It would pull out nasty skimmate after I fed but then go back to idle until more food was given.

To deal with the collapsing foam, or overflowing issues, have your controller kill the skimmer for 20 minutes after you feed. After 20-30 minutes the oils from the food will have dispersed enough to allow your skimmer to function normally again.

[Mr James]

by Freds
To deal with the collapsing foam, or overflowing issues, have your controller kill the skimmer for 20 minutes after you feed. After 20-30 minutes the oils from the food will have dispersed enough to allow your skimmer to function normally again.

That is a great idea, thanks a ton!! I will try that.

[Lumamae]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10716867#post10716867 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
Ed is on smack to recommend a BM 200 for a 90 gallon tank. I think it was on zeo but it may have been a European forum, Oliver stated that people should NOT be buying oversized BMs for their tanks. I ran a BM 200 on a Bare bottom heavy stocked, heavy fed 90 and it was WAY too big a skimmer. It pulled out tar for the first two weeks and then nothing (symptom of too big a skimmer syndrome). It would pull out nasty skimmate after I fed but then go back to idle until more food was given.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10709488#post10709488 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lumamae
I talked to KMAIntl this morning as they are local to me, and based on what Ed recommended, the BM160 would be the best match for my 90g mixed reef. For HEAVY SPS dominated 90g, he would recommend BM200, but BM250 is not needed for a tank that small. He said something about the way this particular skimmer line performs, it doesn't follow the same rules as other high end skimmers from different companies and too big is not a good thing. Ed mentioned that he's personally tested over 25 BM skimmers of all 4 models and all 4 generations, so he has a pretty good idea how each unit behaves on what size tank. I definitely feel good about my conversation with him as he understands the BM skimmer line.

Mr Freds, Ed had a phrase for what you are referring to, he called it "severely oversized skimmer syndrome" or SOSS and it is exactly as you described. Many veteran reefers disagree with him, so he's never stopped any from buying what they set out to buy, but he does highly discourage it. He didn't recommend the BM200 for me, he recommended the BM160 as the perfect match, and definitely no way on the BM250. Maybe when he recommended the BM200 for a 90g setup was when the BM160 weren't released yet? He mentioned how when the BM160 weren't available, he had to sell hobbyists BM200 for 75g - 90g setups, but he would tune down the skimmer to match the smaller tanks. In our lengthy conversation, he says that many may think a oversized BM skimmer performs great, but what he says is that the next size down would do so much better on the same setup. BMs just don't behave the same as other high end skimmers like Deltec, Bubbleking or H&S. Hope this helps someone if trying to make a decision on what size to buy.

[Freds]

I disagree, having owned many of the high end skimmers such as H&S and Deltec. IME the BM200 is comparable to the Deltec AP701. My only issue with both of those skimmers is the they would both perform better with a larger reaction chamber, such as in the AP851. The contact time of the BM200 could be better. That being said the air draw and bubble size of the BM series blows the doors off the Deltec and H&S models however the small contact time somewhat evens them out.

[Mr James]

by Freds
IME the BM200 is comparable to the Deltec AP701....That being said the air draw and bubble size of the BM series blows the doors off the Deltec and H&S models...

Oh yeah!!!! I'm in hog heaven now. Always wanted an AP701, but was blown away by the price.


Fred, if I am reading you correctly, are you suggesting that the BM200 needs a larger reaction chamber?? How big?? What is the size currently??

[slant77]

Are you happy with the noise level of your 160. I like tha amount of crap that gets pulled out, but it makes the most noise out of all the pumps I have running.

[Reef Sponger]

I've owned quite a few ER, my first H&S and now a BM160. The BM is dead quiet. Then I don't take any chances, I put a silicone pad under all the skimmers and make sure that the sides of the skimmer doesn't touch the sump wall.

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10721899#post10721899 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freds
I disagree, having owned many of the high end skimmers such as H&S and Deltec. IME the BM200 is comparable to the Deltec AP701. My only issue with both of those skimmers is the they would both perform better with a larger reaction chamber, such as in the AP851. The contact time of the BM200 could be better. That being said the air draw and bubble size of the BM series blows the doors off the Deltec and H&S models however the small contact time somewhat evens them out. I have heard and read many times the AP701 is the most comparable unit to the BM200 as well. Definitely a great buy at 1/2 the price. I have talked to Ed personally about the BM200 on smaller tanks and I know for a fact that he tunes the pumps down by trimming off 1mm on the mesh as well as restricts the air with an air valve and this rebalances the BM200 for smaller tanks. Of course, I chose to patiently wait for the BM160 instead of going with the BM200. There's been a lot of great feedback on the BM200 once an air valve is added. So, instead of 1,100lph air draw, one only get 950-lph1,000lph, I say that's still pretty damn good if balanced by slightly smaller diameter mesh.

Mr James, sorry to hear about your damaged arrival. Looking at the specs on your system, probably the BM200 is a better match, but then it all depends on your bioload.

[Lumamae]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10723266#post10723266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lumamae
ATI BM160 Internal ~ $459
Clearance Needed: 8.5"L x 7.5"W x 21"H
Dimensions: 7.9"L x 7.1"W x 20.5"H
Energy Consumption: 22 watts
Air Draw: 900lph
Suggested Capacity: up to 100g heavy, 150 normal
Minimum Suggested Tank Size: 40g

ATI BM200 Internal ~ $549
Clearance Needed: 13"L x 9.5"W x 21.25"H
Dimensions: 12.7"L x 8.6"W x 19.2"H
Energy Consumption: 24 watts
Air Draw: 1,100lph
Suggested Capacity: up to 200g heavy, 250 normal
Minimum Suggested Tank Size: 100g

ATI BM250 Internal ~ $769
Clearance Needed: 14"L x 10"W x 21.75"H
Dimensions: 13.4"L x 9.5"W x 21.2"H
Energy Consumption: 57 watts
Air Draw: 1,800lph
Suggested Capacity: up to 400g heavy, 500g-700g normal
Minimum Suggested Tank Size: 200g

I just received this info last night about sizing and specs. This is based on KM's experience with testing all 3 units and all generations. I know that he's a Deltec, H&S and Bubbleking dealer as well, so I'm sure he's done some comparisons. On the BM200, minimum suggested tank size is 100g and this takes into consideration a sump/refugium to go with the display tank. Also, there's a buffer factor built into their suggestions. They look similar to what ATi suggests, but little more conservative.

Freds, I read somewhere that the AP701 is tuned down because different pins on the impeller has been trimmed off in a very deliberate fashion? We also don't know if the pumps maybe in a lower location on the skimmer body so slightly more back pressure to compensate for the shorter body size?

[Mr James]

Lumamae, good information there!! What is the diameter of the reaction chamber between the three??

Reef Sponger, I am not worried at all. I trust Ed and believe he will do his best to remedy the situation.

[Lumamae]

Sorry, I have no idea as I don't know much about these skimmers. I'm still just researching myself. I received that info from KMAIntl a couple of nights ago by email. I'm also looking now at the Mini BK160, but it's almost twice the price, ouch. Asethetically, nicer looking and nice foam too.

ATI BM160 Internal ~ $459
Clearance Needed: 8.5"L x 7.5"W x 21"H
Dimensions: 7.9"L x 7.1"W x 20.5"H
Energy Consumption: 22 watts
Air Draw: 900lph
Suggested Capacity: up to 100g heavy, 150 normal
Minimum Suggested Tank Size: 40g

Mini Bubble King 160 ~ $850
Dimensions: 7.1"L x 7.1"W x 21.7"H
Energy Consuption: 18 watts
Air Draw: 600lph
Water Throughput: 265gph
Suggested Capacity: 50 - 135g

[Reef Sponger]

Lumamae, I'm looking at the mini BK160 as well because of asethetics and built more than anything else. Not using either unit yet (my BM160 is in the box still), the specs tell me that the BM is a better value. The mini BK has specs closer to my H&S A150 and mine supports my 180g tank easily and at $200 less. If you got money to burn, BKs are nice.

Mr James, yes, you won't have any problems with customer service and support from KMA Int'l. If they support hobbyists that didn't even buy their equipment from them, how much better will they support their own customers. On another thread, CanaryGirl didn't buy her BM200 from them and it looks like her challenge with adjusting her skimmer is resolved with Ed's help.

[Adamc1303]

So Far I was impressed with the skimmer at first. But for some reason I can't get the skimmer to bubble up like it did last week. I am getting very wet skimate since I have it adjusted with he gate valve almost completely closed. I find that it is very finicky with the water level in the sump. If this keeps up I may sell it soon and get a BK or maybe a Korallen-Zucht Revolution skimmer. At first when I had it running in Vinegar and hot water it was almost skimming the fresh water I had so many bubbles but now it just doesn't do it any more. The pump is pretty loud too. I always have to do the hand in front of pump to get it start if I turn it off. If anyone experienced this before or knows a quick fix let me know.

[revenant]

Try running your sump level higher! I have to run mine at 8.5" now (used to run it at 6" or 7") to get the BM160 to develop and keep a nice foam head while being able to open the gate a bit.

[Lumamae]

Adamc1303

I haven't worked with KMA Int'l yet, but I did speak to them about my possible purchase of a BM160 and they really seem to know the BM skimmer line. I've seen so many posts on them supporting not only their own customers, but even those who didn't buy from anything from them. You might want to give them a call.

I would suggest calling the vendor where you purchased your skimmer first though. BTW, constant water level is a must for this skimmer as I have seen that fact posted so many times over. So you either need to have a partitioned skimmer section and/or auto topoff unit.

[spleen93]

I agree that the constant sump level is critical. Also, to fix the waving the hand in front of the pump intake to start the pump problem, trim your mesh. 44-45 mm is what you're looking for for mesh diameter.

Spleen

[Reef Sponger]

Adam, the rattling restart is a mesh too large in diameter. Try removing the impeller and see if there's any stray threads on the mesh, or an area that is thicker on one side than the other, or one side of the mesh sticks out further than the other side. Trim off the extra stray threads and reinstall and most likely that will take care of the problem. If not, then reduce the diameter of the mesh to 44-45mm as spleen recommended. You really want to only trim a little at a time, not too much.

As for sump water level, rev is right. If you have on the lower side, try increasing it to at least 8" sump water level and the back pressure will naturally raise the bubble breaking level within the skimmer and you can readjust by openning up the gate valve a little more. If the bubbles are too big on the foaming, you may want to add a air valve, that might help to reduce the size of the bubbles and it will also raise the bubble breaking level a little bit, which means the gate valve needs to be open up a little more to compensate.

[revenant]

yeah - the constant sump level seems to be key with this skimmer.. which seems to be a little more sensitive than my ER was with water levels.. I am getting an Osmolator this week to take care of that issue. I am sticking to my 8.5" sump level and things are going VERY well now.. this thing is skimming like the beast people said it would. :devil:

[Adamc1303]

I just trimmed the mesh very little though. Just the pieces that were like overlapping ad loose. The skimmer is just not skimming like it did in the pic I took. I can get it to skim that dry. The rattling didn't stop either. I have the skimmer in 8 inches of water right now.

[revenant]

huh... that's a bummer.. how far is your gate open? I still can only have mine open a little.. but I am at like 20 or 25% open maybe now.. I can see the current flowing out of the simmer hitting my sump wall..

I have yet to take my pump apart.. so far my pump starts up ok, but once it rattled with no catch and I had to close the intake for a second to make it catch... anyways.. I'm keeping my sump level just a hair over 8.5" and it's skimming really nicely now.

[Adamc1303]

My sump level is at 8.375 I just the measuring tape in the water to measure I am rasing it to 8.6. The water is flowing in the cup like it is in the skimmer body. Before Hand I had a dry foam head in the cup.

[Lumamae]

Adamc, I hate to say it, but before you screw up your skimmer, contact your dealer that you bought it from or someone who can professionally support you with this problem.

I hate for you to take someone's good advice and it screws up your unit because it was the opposite of what you should have done. From what everyone's written, you need to trim your mesh to eliminate the noise and maybe you didn't trim enough. But what happens if that's not what you're suppose to do? Oh-oh.

[Adamc1303]

The manual does say 8 inches though.

[Adamc1303]

That is why I barley trimmed it. I don't want to trim anymore I barley took anything off. I don't really mind the rattling when it starts as long as it skimms well.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10748436#post10748436 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lumamae
Adamc, I hate to say it, but before you screw up your skimmer, contact your dealer that you bought it from or someone who can professionally support you with this problem.

I hate for you to take someone's good advice and it screws up your unit because it was the opposite of what you should have done. From what everyone's written, you need to trim your mesh to eliminate the noise and maybe you didn't trim enough. But what happens if that's not what you're suppose to do? Oh-oh.

[Lumamae]

Did you measure the diameter of the mesh. I've read that it should be 44-45mm. If yours isn't maybe spleen is hitting it right on the nose.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10741309#post10741309 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spleen93
I agree that the constant sump level is critical. Also, to fix the waving the hand in front of the pump intake to start the pump problem, trim your mesh. 44-45 mm is what you're looking for for mesh diameter.

Spleen

[spleen93]

I trimmed mine down and it now restarts like a charm without the waving hand trick. :)

Spleen

[Adamc1303]

Should it overlap the plastic plate it is zip tied too?

[Mr James]

I have never seen one (noit yet that is, mine arrived on Thursday), but I can't imagine zip ties are design intent or production quality. I have seen the ASM guys do the "mesh-mod" and use zip ties.

[Adamc1303]

They use black zip ties on these.

[Lumamae]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10750224#post10750224 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Adamc1303
Should it overlap the plastic plate it is zip tied too?

Just a suggestion, measure the yellow disc and measure the mesh. Mesh should be 44-45mm according to what everyone is saying. If the yellow disc is 40mm, then the mesh should stick out over the edge by 2mm all the way around. I haven't bought my BM160, so I'm just trying to be logical here to help out and hopefully not make it more confusing.