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1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 04:59 PM
I'm planning my new tank upgrade. I currently have a standard 120 with a 40g sump with a Deltec AP600.

My new tank will be 7x2x2 84"X24"24

I've been looking at the Deltec AP851 for $1133.

I've also been looking at the AP702 and AP902. Both are considerably more money.

I was hoping to hear that the AP851 will do the job on my new tank. It Will be 210g plus sump which is going to be be the 120.. about half full so say 60g

270gallons.. The Deltec website says exactly that.. 270 heavy stocked.

Will this skimmer keep up like it says it will? or do you think I should just bite the bullet and go with the AP702?

I guess my last question is, if not the Deltecs listed above, what skimmer would you buy for a 270 SPS system, with a healthy fish load?

Thanks for the help.

BreadmanMike
03/29/2007, 05:09 PM
As a former owner of an AP851 and a new owner of an H&S 200 3x2001... I like the way the H&S is made. Other then material differance, the 851 will skim your tank nicely.

I'd go with an H&S though. :)

gsoaxionsk8
03/29/2007, 05:17 PM
i agree, i have never owned a deltec but i am running a H & S and i have nothing but good things to say about it. Hands down this is one the best things i have ever bought for my tank .

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 05:18 PM
Just looked at the A200 3x on AO. rated to 500g 1399.99

I like that it has a bigger intake and output, the only thing I can say I don't like is having to service 3 pumps lol...

No real details on the AO site. how much water to feed to skimmer? and is that 500g rating for a heavy load?

The Eheim 1260 must be one hella of pump to match 3 AB's.

I looked at the A200 2x1260 also for 1600.00

Man I cant decide.... I know I cant go wrong with either but....

BreadmanMike
03/29/2007, 05:29 PM
I'm running the in-sump model, so I can't answer the feed question. If you go to finsreef's forum, Brian can answer questions like that for you.

I'm not a big fan of the recircs, even if you gravity feed them. I know they add 10% more skimming capacity, but they also cost more.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 05:30 PM
Stay away from the A200 2x1260. The 200mm (8") body is too small for 2 pumps. They have a A250 (250mm 10" body) that is much better.

For the price of the A250 or 702, you could get an ER RC500 which is a 12" body 3 Eheim pump beast. It is similar in spec to an A300 or 703.

For a single Eheim pump skimmer, I'd get the H&S A200.

There is also the ATI BM250...

BreadmanMike
03/29/2007, 05:36 PM
Speaking of ER, Jeff said he'll be releasing some 10" models in May if you're not in a hurry.

Reef Sponger
03/29/2007, 05:59 PM
I'm doing the same research and pretty close to pulling the trigger on an H&S skimmer.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 06:15 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, I looked the ATI BM 250, what is it rated for and can it be used out of sump?

I'm not a fan of ER based on several threads I have seen on very bad CS.

JRaquatics
03/29/2007, 06:42 PM
I know price is not a concern since you have a deltec, which I find to be way over priced for the craftsmanchip you recieve, and if money is not an object I would recomend a H&S also. If money is an object look into Aquaeuro USA or the new Hydor skimmers? I might be getting an Aquaeuro USA next week since the hydors still have not come into the states.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 06:50 PM
ATI BM 250 is rated for 500G+, and is internal only. I would disagree about ER customer service. My exp has been very good with ER CS as has many others. There is another vendor who has been mentioned in this thread who has been having some CS issues lately. For some reason, people seem to ignore that.

ridetheducati
03/29/2007, 07:01 PM
A250!!

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 07:13 PM
I'm looking heavily at the H&S line..

Aquaticman74, I like your first recommendation the A200 3XF2001 is really looking good. The H&S should skim circles around the AP851 that's just my first thought.

Can I get some more info, some pro's and cons from the current users. Height is of no concern, It will be beside my sump in the new fish room. Sump will be my current 120 the center section will be one big fuge.

I can get past the 3 pump maint part of it. I want the biggest and best I can get for about the max Price of the A2003xF about 1400 is my max.

JRaquatics, Yes price is of concern. I still have to report to a higher power :D. She has a hard time seeing the difference in skimmers once we reach this dollar figure, she thinks I'm crazy for spending 1400 on a piece of plastic and a little black motor lol. If price was of no concern, I would have went with the AP1006 yesterday :)

If I was to buy an H&S who should I buy it from? Definitely a company with excellent CS is a must, please recc. a few so I can check them out plz.

Thanks for all the help!

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 07:16 PM
SMJ,

I see that too in the "other" forum... This is why I am looking for another company... It does not go unnoticed :)
I will take a look at the ER line, I def want an Eheim or Aquabee pump.

Reef Sponger
03/29/2007, 07:21 PM
I am making the same decision soon. Almost ready to pull the trigger on a H&S. It looks like performance, consistency, quality construction, warranty and cost & availability of replacement parts gives H&S the edge. I've surfed through the Vendor Experience forum and there seems to be excellent feedback there as well as the sponsored forums.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 07:50 PM
Another thing to consider is replacement parts costs. Deltec replacement parts are very expensive (like 2x for an Eheim pump) compared to H&S and ER.

Jar*Head
03/29/2007, 08:01 PM
Go with H&S dude.

Goodwood
03/29/2007, 08:08 PM
I will go H&S next time around, they get a pretty good buzz on here.

USC-fan
03/29/2007, 08:14 PM
ATI BM250 or the DAS ex-3

Both of these would be the best choice for the money. If you don't want to put the BM in you new fuge just buy a ruddermade bucket and plumb it into your set up.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 08:17 PM
Ok you guys are selling me on the H&S, Now which model, the A200 3xF2001??

ReefRockerLive
03/29/2007, 08:19 PM
Get the H&S since they are practically identical to the Deltec skimmers.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 08:21 PM
In an H&S, I'd get the A250

USC-fan
03/29/2007, 08:24 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9602592#post9602592 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefRockerLive
Get the H&S since they are practically identical to the Deltec skimmers. That is not true. The pumps in the H&S are halfway up the skimmer body. While the deltec/das are more towards the bottom. The problem with the H&S design is that the bottom part of the skimmer body doesn't get any bubblies. So this does cut down on the contact time a lot.

i'm not sure why H&S puts the pumps so high.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 08:31 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9602638#post9602638 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kb-smoker
That is not true. The pumps in the H&S are halfway up the skimmer body. While the deltec/das are more towards the bottom. The problem with the H&S design is that the bottom part of the skimmer body doesn't get any bubblies. So this does cut down on the contact time a lot.

i'm not sure why H&S puts the pumps so high.
I've also noticed that and it has been a topic of discussion on the forms a few times. Supposedly, it does not hinder performance, but I know what you mean....

I still think for the same price (less actually) I'd take an ER RC500 over the A250 or 702 in a heartbeat. But I bought a BM250 since it is 1/2 the price and in sump works well for me, so what do I know :lol:

Mimbler1
03/29/2007, 08:35 PM
I had an ER CS12-2 and after I fixed the leaks it was delivered with, it was a good skimmer - very consistent, and produced well. After it developed a new leak after a few years, I gave up on it for my application which was sensitive to leaks. I got an H&S A250 hoping it would do as well, but be better built. Not only is the build quality awesome, the skimmer is even more consistent, and easily skims twice as well or more. Don't get me wrong, the ER was a great skimmer - it did twice as good as my 28 in lifereef which was also a good skimmer. But....the A250 is the best, and parts are reasonable, and will fit. When I ordered a spare pump for my ER, I got the pump and a pile of spare parts that I would have to measure, cut, glue and assemble, because their pumps were custom fit to each skimmer.
Mike

Jar*Head
03/29/2007, 08:36 PM
Go for the A-250.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 08:41 PM
Here the deal, I'm leaning back to the AP851 I love my AP600. It has performed flawless since I bought it. The Ap851 would go on my 120 for now.. I just want to make sure it will skim my 270g TVW when I do buy the tank. I'm definitely upgrading. But I want to do it in steps. First new skimmer, build the fish room, move all the equipment, ie: skimmer, chiller, CaRx sump etc from the 120 to the fish room. Once the 120 is basically just the tank/stand and canopy with the ballast under the stand. than I will build the new stand for the 210 and move it that way.

Let me know if the 851 will do the job. I would go with the 702 but it is just out of my price range.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 09:09 PM
I looked finsreef and AO and I dont see the A250 anywhere, someone have a link to another verdor?

Thanks for all the help guys.

sjm817
03/29/2007, 09:10 PM
That was then, this is now.
A new ER has Eheim pumps, and better seals. They dont leak. The H&S is a top notch skimmer, no doubt about it,

The A250 is a 10" 2 Eheim pump skimmer. The RC500 is a 12" 3 Eheim pump skimmer, like an A300. the RC500 is ~ $1700 which I believe is a similar price to an A250. An A300 is $2200. just pointing out another option.

Mimbler1
03/29/2007, 09:12 PM
Finsreef is a sponsor and you can pm him or respond on his website. He hasn't put the A250 on his website yet because he is selling them as fast as he gets them in. He is the sole importer of H&S. I ordered a custom version of the A250 from him, and got it in a reasonable amount of time,
Mike

sjm817
03/29/2007, 09:12 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9603018#post9603018 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
I looked finsreef and AO and I dont see the A250 anywhere, someone have a link to another verdor?

Thanks for all the help guys.
i dont know what the deal is with that. Even the H&S German site doesn't list it. If you call the vendor, they can get it for you.

Jim_S
03/29/2007, 09:29 PM
I think the A250 is for the US market. The 2 eheims are too powerful for the 200mm body on our electric current/frequency, so they made a 10" bodied skimmer. That also may be why you can't find them on any euro sites.

When I last spoke to Eric at finsreef, he said they'll add photos when they actually have them in stock for a long enough time. H&S is a small company from what I have heard. They can't keep up with the orders from the USA market.

Eric or Brian will definetly help you out if you call them.

Jim

sjm817
03/29/2007, 09:34 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9603215#post9603215 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
I think the A250 is for the US market. The 2 eheims are too powerful for the 200mm body on our electric current/hrz, so they made a 10" bodied skimmer. That also may be why you can't find them on any euro sites.

When I last spoke to Eric at finsreef, he said they'll add photos when they actually have them in stock for a long enough time. H&S is a small company from what I have heard. They can't keep up with the orders from the USA market.

Eric or Brian will definetly help you out if you call them.

Jim
Good point! Yes, the US Eheims are more powerful than the Euro versions.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 09:42 PM
I dont need to be in the DOSS club guys :D, I just want recc for skimmers that will work for 270g heavy load.

it going to be the AP851 or the
h&s A200 3xF2001

The A300, RC500, etc are all too big and expensive

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 09:45 PM
Ok guys headed to bed, feel free to keep the rec and opinions coming :D you guys rock.

1SickReefer
03/29/2007, 09:46 PM
I'm leaning to the A200 3xF2001

Will it do the job? will it handle my heavy fish load?

sjm817
03/29/2007, 09:53 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9603350#post9603350 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
I dont need to be in the DOSS club guys :D, I just want recc for skimmers that will work for 270g heavy load.

it going to be the AP851 or the
h&s A200 3xF2001

The A300, RC500, etc are all too big and expensive
The only reason I mentioned the RC500 is you were looking at the A250. Price is about the same, but yeah...big skimmer.

I like the simplicty of the single pump 851, but I would think the 3x2001 would outperform it. With 3 AB2001, you should have ~ 1500 LPH which is less than the 1800 LPH of the A200 2x1260 and not so much of a pump overkill.

Reef Sponger
03/29/2007, 10:24 PM
If you decide on H&S, I agree with all the others, the A250 with the double Eheim pumps will be your best bet. From some of the threads on H&S forum, it sounds like the AB pumps are a little noisier than Eheims.

danskim
03/29/2007, 10:54 PM
I'm sure whichever one you pick will be great!
I know the feeling of going from one skimmer to another (as well as any other reef product...).

USC-fan
03/29/2007, 11:00 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9603649#post9603649 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
If you decide on H&S, I agree with all the others, the A250 with the double Eheim pumps will be your best bet. From some of the threads on H&S forum, it sounds like the AB pumps are a little noisier than Eheims. AB pumps don't make much noise. My MJ1200 are about 2x louder than my 2 AB 2001's.

McCrary
03/30/2007, 12:14 AM
I think it would be a mistake to buy a Deltec over a H&S, I can't think of a single advantage that Deltec has.

USC-fan
03/30/2007, 05:33 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9604272#post9604272 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TurboSnail8898
I think it would be a mistake to buy a Deltec over a H&S, I can't think of a single advantage that Deltec has. deltec has better design pump placement, IMO. Also the deltec use custom NW pumps. Seems like the mods to the pumps are "hand made." But does this really improve performance that much, who knows. Deltec claims these improvements will give you up 50% performance boost over stock pumps that the H&S/DAS use.

Those custom pumps are the reason the deltec cost more. Also that is why a replacement AB2001 pumps from deltec is $300+.

:)

Jim_S
03/30/2007, 08:06 AM
The pump placement makes no difference at all. H&S has been making skimmers for years. If it was a flaw, they would have fixed it by now.

Some will even argue that H&S's placement is better due to micro bubble issues with the deltecs.

As far as the special mods that deltec does...... they use a dremmel to boar out the inside of the pump.

And replacement pumps are $300-$500 so DIY'ers don't put them out of business. Not becuase of the "mods" they do.

Both are great skimmers.

One is just made better, cheaper, has a better warranty, and doesn't overcharge the customer with replacement parts.

Jim

1SickReefer
03/30/2007, 08:31 AM
This is some great info guys, very civilized discussion! Thank you! I think you have all sold me on the H&S. I really wanted the Deltec, but I agree with the build quality of the H&S, I like the "bands" around the skimmer where each pump connects. It just looks more solid to me.

Someone said that the pump placement is not as good on the H&S, when my deltec is running normal (meaning its not trying to pull out some gel binders in foods or something else.) runs normally with a about 4-6" of clear water below the foam line in the skimmer body.

I found the A250 on Aquarium Specialty, it's 1700 and rated for a 700g tank I think that is a bit much for me. Although a great suggestion!

So in the 1400 range I have boiled it down to the A200 3xF001. 1400-500 for the AP600 sale puts me at 900, if someone knows of a better skimmer for 1500 let me know, that whould put me at my max 1500-500=$1000 spent

USC-fan
03/30/2007, 08:53 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9605522#post9605522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
The pump placement makes no difference at all. H&S has been making skimmers for years. If it was a flaw, they would have fixed it by now.

Some will even argue that H&S's placement is better due to micro bubble issues with the deltecs.

As far as the special mods that deltec does...... they use a dremmel to boar out the inside of the pump.

And replacement pumps are $300-$500 so DIY'ers don't put them out of business. Not becuase of the "mods" they do.

Both are great skimmers.

One is just made better, cheaper, has a better warranty, and doesn't overcharge the customer with replacement parts.

Jim What micro bubble issue with the pump placed lower? I have no problem with my DAS ex2. It just seems that it would cut down on the contact time with the pump higher. I'm sure there is no way to say this does have a big impact on performance or not.

Also there is more than a difference with the pumps. Deltec use special needle wheel impeller that are custom made. If you saw a picture of them next to each other you could easy tell the difference.

:)

1SickReefer
03/30/2007, 09:26 AM
Ok man this blows lol.... Now I cant stop looking at the A250 2x1260 (http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1263)

But the ATI BM 250 really as caught my eye b/c of the price tag

[edit] nvm I just remembered one of you saying to was internal only. This new skimmer will sit beside my sump :)

Jim_S
03/30/2007, 09:59 AM
Like I said before, if there was flaw in the design, H&S would have fixed it by know.

I know they use different pin wheels. They are different companies. However, the results and numbers are almost identicle.

People in the states always seem to forget that the H&S skimmers are prefferd over the deltecs in Europe.

But because Deltec USA jacks the prices up a little bit, everyone assumes its a "better" skimmer.

I was looking at buying a deltec. But not because of the added performance of the "golden" pumps. But because I had already owned and H&S and ER. I wanted to try something different.

They are great skimmers. But not the better of the two.

sickreefer,

I would be looking into the A250 too (if you weren't looking at the ER500 instead). Great looking skimmers IMO.

Jim

BreadmanMike
03/30/2007, 12:47 PM
I don't think you need the A250. The A200 3xF2001 is more then enough. My display is 240 and my sump is holding roughly 60 gallons. I think you'll be right around the same volume with a sump???

So far this skimmer is rocking for me. :)

hatfielj
03/30/2007, 01:05 PM
h&s A200 3xF2001 will be an awesome skimmer for your size tank. I have an h&s 200 1260 on my 120 and the thing is built like a tank and skims incredibly well. The a250 X2 would be great too. If I were you I would get which ever one is rated for a larger tank. Get the biggest skimmer you can fit and afford and you won't regret it.

rxinc
03/30/2007, 01:58 PM
I'm driving myself crazy w/ the same choices in skimmmers for my tank.


Originally posted by 1SickReefer
I looked finsreef and AO and I dont see the A250 anywhere, someone have a link to another verdor?

Thanks for all the help guys.

i dont know what the deal is with that. Even the H&S German site doesn't list it. If you call the vendor, they can get it for you.


The above mentioned aquarium speciaty and reeftank supply have them shown on their sites.


http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=34_184


http://www.<b>removed for violation of our commercial policies</b>.com/index.php?cPath=38_179&osCsid=43cff3db9a4effdda586e15da2d49870

Mimbler1
03/30/2007, 02:45 PM
rxinc, I have an A250, and the picture on www.aquariumspecialty labeled as an A250 is not one. It looks like a smaller picture of the A300. The A250 looks more like the A200 except with a 10 inch body instead of an 8 inch diameter,
Mike

1SickReefer
03/30/2007, 03:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9607822#post9607822 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hatfielj
Get the biggest skimmer you can fit and afford and you won't regret it.

Thats the goal, the A200 3xF001 is rated to 550gallons. I will never have a system that big. going to 210 now, but 10 years down the road I MAY go to a 300..

SOoo, for this tank 7x2x2 210g with a 60g sump the A200 3xF2001 will do more than it's job correct, no matter how many fish I put in there?

How much water do I need to feed this skimmer?

1SickReefer
03/30/2007, 05:44 PM
I assume gravity feeding the skimmer like my AP is the best best correct?

Mimbler1
03/30/2007, 07:32 PM
If you can afford it, and fit it, I would recommend the A250. If not, then the a200 x 3f001 will definitely do the job for you. However.......the advantages of the a250: 2 quieter pumps (less to maintain), and much more skimming capability. If (or when) something goes bad in your tank, the advice will be to increase your skimming (and it will be good advice).
On my 200 gal tank I progressed from a Lifereef 28" skimmer (a good and steady skimmer) to a CS12-2 ER skimmer ( a much more powerfull, yet still steady skimmer, to an A250. My tank had been showing signs of what many people would call "old tank syndrome". It is about 8 years old. With the A250 on the tank for a couple of weeks, the tank is cleaning up - I haven't cleaned the glass since installing the skimmer, and it is getting cleaner rather than worse!
Bottom line, is I agree with people that say buy as much skimmer capability as you can afford, as you will eventually appreciate it. I would have saved a -lot- of money if I had bought the A250 to begin with,
Mike

anydarnthing
03/30/2007, 08:29 PM
I have a A200 3xF2001 and I love it I feed it about 250-300gph don't know the exact amount but I empty my cup every 3 days on a 220gal tank with high bio-load. I'm getting rid of the BM250 I have and I have on order with Finsreef a A250 2x1260 hopefully in about 2 weeks. I have my skimmer in the basement so I don't hear it but its not that loud my MH fans are louder.

Konadog
03/30/2007, 08:45 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9611143#post9611143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by anydarnthing
I'm getting rid of the BM250 I have and Are you just trying something different or did you have an issue with the BM? How loud are the two pumps?

anydarnthing
03/30/2007, 09:48 PM
I just seemed to have gotten the runt of the litter, it showed up to me with a leak in the collection cup and I have had it running for over 4 months and it overflows every now and then with no change in feeding or when I add additives just random times. I don't like that I have to watch it everyday to get the best performance from it. My H&S is set and just empty when full no fuss no muss. The two pumps on it are very quiet they are finicky though these pumps need cleaning more often then my Aquabees or even the Sedra on my old ASM G2. The skimmer just irritates me with its weird random behavior and needing constant attention so H&S got another sale. So hopefully in 2 weeks I will have a BM250 for sale.

Konadog
03/30/2007, 10:28 PM
Thanks! I'm thinking about replacing my G-3 and the BM 250 was looking good. I wonder if some of the problems are due to the mesh wheel impellers. I would think if any algae or food was to get stuck in them, they would pull more water than air, causing your problems.

USC-fan
03/31/2007, 07:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9608774#post9608774 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
Thats the goal, the A200 3xF001 is rated to 550gallons. I will never have a system that big. going to 210 now, but 10 years down the road I MAY go to a 300..

SOoo, for this tank 7x2x2 210g with a 60g sump the A200 3xF2001 will do more than it's job correct, no matter how many fish I put in there?

How much water do I need to feed this skimmer? If you really want a skimmer with the 3x ab 2001, You should look at the DAS ex-3. Das brought these skimmer designs from deltec so there are almost the same skimmer. They use the same pump, pin wheel, and set up. It cost less than half of the H&S at $629.99.
http://stores.petorama.net/Detail.bok?no=75
http://stores.petorama.net/catalog/EX-3_Large.jpg

I have been the ex-2 for 3 weeks and i'm loving it. Haven't had one problem with it. :bum:

1SickReefer
03/31/2007, 09:12 AM
those are true aquabees? just like the deltec?

USC-fan
03/31/2007, 09:25 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9614010#post9614010 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
those are true aquabees? just like the deltec? They are true AB2001. They are the same AB that the H&S skimmers use. Like i said earlier in this thread, the deltec now use a custom AB2001 in their skimmers.

1SickReefer
04/01/2007, 06:53 PM
Well, after a long thought out decision I went with what I know, I called Doug at Deltec and picked up today at his house a new AP851.

It is all plumbed in and running like a champ. I just have to tune the feed to 350gph, I ballparked it till I have a sec to get my gallon jug out and my stopwatch.

I appreciate all the responses to this thread, you all were a ton of help. I was soo close to going for the A200 1260 but I went with Deltec because they have always treated me right!! and I could get it same day with no shipping charges

I will post some pics when I get a sec. Keep in mind it is in a temp location till my new fish room is complete, at which time it will be in my garage.

The 851 is huge. it is more skimmer that I will ever need. the 2 pump deltec and H&S were just a little too big and expensive for me at this time... If in the future if I want to go larger, than I have $1000 of all ready taken care of from the sale of the 851. I have to sell my AP600 for 500 shipped 2 day.. so this cost me 633 to upgrade :D

1SickReefer
04/01/2007, 07:42 PM
Here are some pics, with and w/o flash. It's already skimming..

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/jbirdjjones10/DSC03328.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/jbirdjjones10/DSC03330.jpg

A nice head of foam already!!!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/jbirdjjones10/DSC03331.jpg

Right inside the stand

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/jbirdjjones10/DSC03336.jpg

and ofcourse a FTS..

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/jbirdjjones10/DSC03332.jpg

pjf
04/01/2007, 07:45 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9605687#post9605687 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
I really wanted the Deltec, but I agree with the build quality of the H&S, I like the "bands" around the skimmer where each pump connects.
Have the pump attachment "bands" been removed from the newer version of the H&S A150-F2001?

The bands are pictured at: http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=254&page=1.
They are not pictured at: http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=450.

Mimbler1
04/01/2007, 07:57 PM
Hmmm, that was one of the deciding factors for me getting an H&S A250 instead of a Deltec 702. Maybe the aquabee is a light enough pump not to need it, but I hope that they are not dropping that feature,
Mike

TwistedTiger
04/01/2007, 08:33 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9623969#post9623969 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pjf
Have the pump attachment "bands" been removed from the newer version of the H&S A150-F2001?
Since FinsReef is the US distributor I'd go by the pics there. However you should be able to get your answer in the vendors section on the FinsReef forum.

Reef Sponger
04/02/2007, 10:27 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9623969#post9623969 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pjf
Have the pump attachment "bands" been removed from the newer version of the H&S A150-F2001?

The bands are pictured at: http://www.finsreef.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=254&page=1.
They are not pictured at: http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=450. Maybe that's a April Fool's Day photo? I've been researching the recirculating H&S skimmers and they all have the external support bands. Give their skimmers an extra edge of not having any damage caused by the pumps as the vibrations creates a stress point.

I found a vendor under vendor experiences that is a authorized Fins Reef dealer who is offering RC members a promotional discount of free s/h/i. Checkout the vendor experience forum.

RichConley
04/02/2007, 10:40 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9602001#post9602001 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
SMJ,

I see that too in the "other" forum... This is why I am looking for another company... It does not go unnoticed :)
I will take a look at the ER line, I def want an Eheim or Aquabee pump.

I'm too lazy to read to the end of the thread to see if you've already bought, but stay the hell away from the Aquabees (especially if you buy from Deltec). Even with proper maintenance, their impellars tend to seize up, and in the process, they destroy the impellar well. Deltec will tell you that you improperlly maintained the pump, even if you've been cleaning it in muriatic acid weekly.

The Eheim is a much better pump.

1SickReefer
04/02/2007, 10:46 AM
I already bought, went with the AP851 from Doug, It's plumbed in and skimming like mad.

I wanted to stay away from AB's too. I wanted eheim but could only afford the 1 pump models, so I went with tried and true as I knew I would in the first place. I also wanted the cup grain b/c I tie that to my house sewer drain and empty the nasty to drain before i remove the cup.

Darn, I wanted that 702/902.. whelp, that will be the next the upgrade in a year or 2 :D

Reef Sponger
04/02/2007, 10:57 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9627817#post9627817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
I already bought, went with the AP851 from Doug, It's plumbed in and skimming like mad.

I wanted to stay away from AB's too. I wanted eheim but could only afford the 1 pump models, so I went with tried and true as I knew I would in the first place. I also wanted the cup grain b/c I tie that to my house sewer drain and empty the nasty to drain before i remove the cup.

Darn, I wanted that 702/902.. whelp, that will be the next the upgrade in a year or 2 :D The AP851 is a good choice, just make sure that you get at least 300gph feeding your skimmer for your size setup, any less, you're not getting enough turnover of your setup. I hope you never have problems with your Eheim pump as I've read that it can cost you your first born child to replace if out of warranty. :lol:

1SickReefer
04/02/2007, 02:26 PM
I'm shooting for 350gph through the skimmer. I just got back from Lowes with some plumbing parts, going to make a few adjustments. :D

AJtheReefer
04/02/2007, 06:47 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9627653#post9627653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
Maybe that's a April Fool's Day photo? I've been researching the recirculating H&S skimmers and they all have the external support bands. Give their skimmers an extra edge of not having any damage caused by the pumps as the vibrations creates a stress point.

I found a vendor under vendor experiences that is a authorized Fins Reef dealer who is offering RC members a promotional discount of free s/h/i. Checkout the vendor experience forum.

that's an old pic. I asked Brian when I bought my skimmer, since he use to use that pic as well. The skimmer should come with bands

AJtheReefer
04/02/2007, 06:49 PM
btw, I don't get why the beef with the Aquabee pumps. My A150 AB is running like new for two years. I have zero complaints with the noise level, performance or built quality.

Deltec mod could be at fault?

Reef Sponger
04/02/2007, 07:06 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9631749#post9631749 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AJtheReefer
btw, I don't get why the beef with the Aquabee pumps. My A150 AB is running like new for two years. I have zero complaints with the noise level, performance or built quality.

Deltec mod could be at fault? Not sure why either, but there's about 5 threads on the Deltec forum with complaints about the AB pumps and owners not getting resolution from Deltec. I think this is what RichConley is referring to. Besides the cost of replacement pumps, the inconsistent Deltec customer service discourage me from looking into them any further. Definitely wasn't the performance as owners have nothing but great testimonies about it's performance.

Reef Sponger
04/02/2007, 07:10 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9629526#post9629526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1SickReefer
I'm shooting for 350gph through the skimmer. I just got back from Lowes with some plumbing parts, going to make a few adjustments. :D Just be sure to have at least 300gph for your setup, 350gph would be best. BTW, I don't think the AP851 is too small for your setup, I'm sure it will work. Nice to be able to afford a H&S A250 with the double Eheims, but you didn't pick a bad unit.