Skimmer for 225 Reef, Deltec APF600 or Euro-Reef RS250?

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I have a 225 mostly SPS reef with several fish and inverts, I would consider it highly stocked. The tank has around 250 lbs of live rock in it, as well which will obviously reduce the amount of water in the system. Our skimmer section in the sump is 18" x 13", and the sump is around 50 gallons. I dont know the actual volume in ths system but estimated around 240 or so... Please let me know which skimmer would work better for my system, the economically priced RS250 or the high priced Deltec APF600? Any people with the skimmers please tell me what you think of it and your tank size. Thanks again all!

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Here is a link to each for the specs, I forgot to include it above, sorry:

Deltec APF600
http://www.deltecusa.us/proteinskimmers/apf600.php

Euro-Reef RS250
http://www.euro-reef.com/rs250specs.shtml

[BreadmanMike]

I'll be in the minority on this, but I'd go with the EuroReef or consider the H&S skimmers (http://finsreef.com/home.php?cat=253) instead. I used to own a Deltec and the H&S models are much nicer IMO.

[Zoos]

I like H&S as well, i have never owned a Deltec, but have seen them and like Aquaticman said, the H&S skimmers are nicer, I have owned a couple of ER skimmers and they are nice too.

[DeltecRules]

I take the deltec. I am on my second deltec which is a AP600. Skims like a champ. Check out the deltec forum. You will get a lot of help over there. Besides you get great customer service from Doug from Deltec USA.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/104218mini-109-0983_IMG.JPG

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/583/104218mini-107-0760_IMG.JPG

[prodman]

I would look at someting bigger than the skimmers you listed. Do you need a recirculating skimmer? If you want to stay in the price range look at the Bubblemaster 250. If your willing to spend more but get better quality look at the H&S A250.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I could spend a little more if need be, but I would like the best value for the money. I do not have the sump space to fit the recirc skimmer, and I did not think that they would be any better. My max sump space for the skimmer is 18" x 13". Thanks again for the help as I do not want an underpowered skimmer.

[USC-fan]

best skimmer for the money is the DAS ex-2 or ex-3. I would get the ex-3 for that size reef, it cost about $640,

[Vegas_ReefMan]

KB, where do you get that and what is the footprint of the ex-3, will it fit? Thanks again

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I cant get the Ex-3 the footprint is Skimmer dimensions: 17.75" x 15", so it is 2" larger than my max size of 18" x 13"...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I would prefer a non-recirc unless a recirc is that much better at skimming, as power consumption is not an issue...

[prodman]

The ATI Bubblemaster 250 is a in sump skimmer thats 14.2" x 9.5" x 20.8" LWH and cost around 749 I think it would be a good skimmer they havea big thread here on RC about them

[USC-fan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9885932#post9885932 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
I cant get the Ex-3 the footprint is Skimmer dimensions: 17.75" x 15", so it is 2" larger than my max size of 18" x 13"... You don't have tp put it in your sump. I would go with a recirc skimmer, it doe give better performance.

But if you want it in your sump i would go with the Bubblemater 250.
The BM250 is a really great skimmer. If that is something you can afford then that is what i would get.

[A sea K]

If you call ER the can change the pump/plumbing orientation on the RC-250 and it will fit your sump.
I DIYed a CS 8-3 ( same body as the RC-250) to a recirc using a Ehiem 1262 for recirc pump and a Sedra 5000 for a feed pump, this all fits in a 12X18 skimmer compartment.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

The height on the ATI at 20.8" seems like a very small skimmer. I thought size was important and the fact that I can fit a 35" tall skimmer in there means that I should go with a taller skimmer to take advantage of my available space. Thanks and please advise... You really think that an ATI is better than a Deltec or Euro-Reef?

[old salty]

I'm running an APF600 on a 125 with a 50g fuge; probably around 130g - 140g total water volume. The skimmer can certainly handle a system larger than mine for sure; I'm really not pushing it's limits. With a system of your size, you may be pushing the limits of an APF600.

[prodman]

The AtI is better than a equal priced euro reef or deltec especialy considering your footprint restrictions. the BM250 has twice the capicity of a apf600 for 65 less dollars.

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9885968#post9885968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by prodman
The ATI Bubblemaster 250 is a in sump skimmer thats 14.2" x 9.5" x 20.8" LWH and cost around 749 I think it would be a good skimmer they havea big thread here on RC about them I would agree with this statement. I think the Deltec is definitely too small. I have the equivalent to the Deltec in the H&S model on my 180g tank because the dealer who I purchased from talked me into a smaller skimmer, but I was thinking H&S A200 which is the same model as the Deltec AP851. For a 225g SPS, you've got to go bigger than what you are thinking. For the value of an in sump only skimmer, prodman is right, go for the BM250. Lots of good reviews on it. BM250 is sized to protect 250g-400g heavy and 500g-700g normal is what I've read in several places.

I would check with Ed at KM Associates Int'l (http://home.wwdb.org/kmaintl) as they know a lot about skimmers and how they should perform and proper sizing. A lot depends on your bioload and feeding habits.

[mavgi]

go with the BM250 it's great skimmer and great preformance also low watt use and very good price :

:beer:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP2137.jpg

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Sweet, you guys are the best I want one of the skimmers. I need to call Ed to get one. How much do they run for the A250? Thanks again all, as I really want a skimmer that will do well on the system for a fair cost, which will fit in the sump and not be insanely loud...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Where can I buy the BM250, as I did not find it in a search online...?

[markandkristen]

vegas i would definately do the 250 instead of the bm200. for some reason the 200 version doesnt perform as well as the 250.

http://www.reefgeek.com/filtration/Protein_Skimmers/ATI_Bubble_Master/Bubble_Master_250_Protein_Skimmer_by_ATI

i think the euro reef cs 250 at marine depot is a nice setup as well. the rs model is nice but the cs i understand is better made.
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ER1239

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ER1136

too bad you cant fit this one under your stand

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ER1151

[prodman]

I would get one here http://home.wwdb.org/kmaintl/ great service and price.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

do you all agree with mark and kristen above, who said the 200 outperforms the 250? If so that is the one which I will get, remember it is a 275 system volume and a 18" x 13" space in my sump...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

damn i misread them above, they said to get the 250 which is what i am planning now unless some people over-rule the decision.

[prodman]

The 250 outperforms the 200 thats what they said and I agree with them.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Ok... That is the one that I will get.

[mavgi]

Go with the BM250 no less then that , i run this on my 120 gallon tank .

here more picture fire up after clean it :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP1995.jpg

it's realy great skimmer :)

[Vegas_ReefMan]

So nobody thinks the BM250 will have a problem on a 275 total volume tank, correct? As it sounds like this is the best skimmer for the money, and unfortunately it is on backorder of 2-5 weeks everywhere!

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I just spoke with Ed at http://home.wwdb.org/kmaintl and he had the BM250 in stock and gave me free shipping because I am a RC member! What a good guy, all you guys that need an ATI BM250 call Ed, as he has them in stock with free shipping and every other company has them on backorder for up to 5 weeks +++! Thanks again all I should have the ATI BM250 hooked up and running within a couple days I cant wait. As my current skimmer which is an ASM G2 is a complete joke of a skimmer on my system. I cant wait to replace it! Thanks to all of you for help in picking our new skimmer!

[mavgi]

congratulation , you will be amazed from the result. this is a great skimmer not just because the money ..... when you will see the performance you will understand ......

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9893833#post9893833 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
I just spoke with Ed at http://home.wwdb.org/kmaintl and he had the BM250 in stock and gave me free shipping because I am a RC member! What a good guy, all you guys that need an ATI BM250 call Ed, as he has them in stock with free shipping and every other company has them on backorder for up to 5 weeks +++! Thanks again all I should have the ATI BM250 hooked up and running within a couple days I cant wait. As my current skimmer which is an ASM G2 is a complete joke of a skimmer on my system. I cant wait to replace it! Thanks to all of you for help in picking our new skimmer! G2??? Wow, then anything would have been better. I'm actually waiting for the BM160 to be released.

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9894618#post9894618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
G2??? Wow, then anything would have been better. I'm actually waiting for the BM160 to be released.


the BM160 will be great skimmer to , as the photo shown the preformance are great on it to :)

[BreadmanMike]

Has anyone tested the H&S 200-3x2001 vs the BM250 head to head?

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895057#post9895057 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquaticman74
Has anyone tested the H&S 200-3x2001 vs the BM250 head to head?

Just you can test it :D maybe you can ask to test one from reef geek .

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895127#post9895127 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
Just you can test it :D maybe you can ask to test one from reef geek .

That would be cool, but I don't see it happening.
I wonder if that Ed guy has run them head to head...

[mavgi]

Ed is a very professional and have a lot experience with skimmer i know he his delaer of both and deltec to , as i remember "Ucandoit" post before some picture compare to the deltec but not to the H&S .

the H&S are also great skimmer but when you compare price and watt use the ATI take over (about preformance ppl will always argue...) the H&S build stronger but if i have it i was never try to test it....


by the way ED member in zeovit forum you can ask him if you want he is a very good person .

in the new BM300 we will see a new tech and new preformance i believe it will be one of the top skimmer in the market ......

as you read before we will see soon some picture of it in the reef geek forum.

[BreadmanMike]

I just spoke with Ed via email. He's seems very professional. I see why everyone that deals with him speaks so highly of him.

I think the BM300 will be overkill for my system. :(

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895845#post9895845 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquaticman74
I just spoke with Ed via email. He's seems very professional. I see why everyone that deals with him speaks so highly of him.

I think the BM300 will be overkill for my system. :( If a H&S 200-3x2001 is working fine on your system now, yes, I agree, the BM300 would be way overkill. Probably the BM250 is a step up compared to your 200-3x2001, so you don't need a BM300. lol

Yeah, I found Ed to be a straight shooter and tells it as he's experienced it.

Mavgi, yes I saw your photos and ATi's video. It looks good to me.

[JRaquatics]

Just get the 250 Mike, I know you want to. I want to be able to come over and check it out. LOL

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9895980#post9895980 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Sponger
If a H&S 200-3x2001 is working fine on your system now, yes, I agree, the BM300 would be way overkill. Probably the BM250 is a step up compared to your 200-3x2001, so you don't need a BM300. lol

Yeah, I found Ed to be a straight shooter and tells it as he's experienced it.

Mavgi, yes I saw your photos and ATi's video. It looks good to me.

the BM250 will work great on your 180 gallon .

i am waiting for the BM300 and i am going to put it on my 120 gallon , it will be a good reason to move to a bigger tank :lol:

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Check this Ed said that the BM-250 can skim 500 gallons heavy easily. He said he likes H&S as well for sure. He did not say which was better, other than for a sump model he cannot beat the BM-250. I cannot wait, I may lose sleep... My fish will be doing flipper back strokes in the tank from now on. I just always did bi-weekly water changes and my nitrates have never been above 5...

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9896727#post9896727 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
Check this Ed said that the BM-250 can skim 500 gallons heavy easily. He said he likes H&S as well for sure. He did not say which was better, other than for a sump model he cannot beat the BM-250. I cannot wait, I may lose sleep... My fish will be doing flipper back strokes in the tank from now on. I just always did bi-weekly water changes and my nitrates have never been above 5... Hey Vegas_RM, I heard differently when I asked Ed about the BM skimmers before. I thought I heard the BM250 could easily support from 200g up to 400g heavy bioload and/or heavy feedings, but up to 500g-700g range for light to medium. The 500g-700g range is more the manufacturer's rating as I see it on their website.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I will ask ad as maybe I should get the BM300...?

[Reef Sponger]

For 240g total volume, the BM250 can handle 200g-400g heavy, so you are good to go, I would think.

[klam114]

VRM - you won't be disappointed with the BM250 in terms of performance as I don't think you can buy anything better at that price. also, you purchased from the best dealer that I know of and I am lucky that he is local to me, so I can order easily and pickup.

I own a BM200 and it is a true performer. Amazing how ATi was able to balance such a powerful pump with such a small skimmer footprint and get such outstanding results. It's obvious that the German engineers know what they are doing. I have a H&S skimmer on my smaller tank and both are excellent performers, but the price on the BM is so much better. It's a real simple design and if you don't want to pay $1,000 more for construction quality like the H&S A250 $1,700 and the Deltec AP902 $1,869, the BM250 $769 is the best match for your setup. I don't have any complaints on my BM200 as it is amazing. If you have any adjustment concerns, contact Ed as he will walk you through setting it up correctly, he's the man. Especially if you are newbie to ATi skimmers, you want to listen to his instructions to avoid any beginner's frustrations.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Ok, I am ****ED NOW! The BM-250 is officially a joke! The unit comes without an o-ring to seal the skimmer cup to the base of the skimmer which is very cheesy. It doesnt even have any connection tab or anything to hold it on, it just sits on top of the skimmer body. The actual pumps hook into the skimmer body using the crappiest connections I have EVER seen. They use a flimsy tubing which just sits inside the pump and connects it to the skimmer body. They did not even use any pvc connections anywhere on the skimmer for any solid connections. The pumps are supposed to sit on a rubber venturi header rubber piece which hooks to the pump by nothing other than slipping over a thread fitting, and then the pump rests down on the rubber venturi header, and then hooks into the skimmer body using a flimsy rubber tubing which is over a thread fitting. The gate valve mod which came with the skimmer was solid. The internal acrylic workmanship on the skimmer looks good, but I am ****ed about how the pumps hook to the skimmer body and how they have no connection fitting for the skimmer cup to the body. Please check in people with the BM-250, as I want to know what you think about these issues. I have not even hooked it up and I emailed Ed to tell him that I may be shipping it back!

[klam114]

VRM, about the pump connection, that's probably the one suggestion that the first generation owners had made as a recommendation to change, but ATi will not be changing this feature or they would have done it by now, since the BM250 has gone through 4 generations of changes. I actually found that the rubber hose and the rubber feet is what keeps the pumps so quiet, barely can hear any vibrations when they are in use. I just logged onto your thread, so haven't read carefully what all has been posted. Hate to say that if you read through the BM information threads and done your research, you should have been aware of the connections of the pumps. But, they aren't a problem, they stay in place and the skimmer works great. If you setup and turn it on, your mind will change as you'll never see anything perform so well. I'm sure that other BM250 owners can chime in with their experiences.

[summer6]

I would agree with Klam on this.
When i received my BM 250 (3rd week of break-in and doing well) i was baffled at the connections also.
Especially the connection between the pump and skimmer - they can be challenging to stay in the pump and then push into the skimmer body.
IA that the rubber feet absorb vibrations, and they are stable once set properly with the skimmer.
IMO give the BM250 a chance, and you'll be glad you did.

[mavgi]

Vegas_ReefMan

If i was not a owner of the BM250 skimmer i was afraid to buy it after i read this post.

don't judge the skimmer before you test it .

1. they maybe forgot to put in the pack the O ring but i believe they will send it to you (if you will decide to keep it)

2. "They use a flimsy tubing" are to reduce vibration and to keep the skimmer body from damage (you can see it also in the picture of the BK skimmer , because of that it's not good ? )
and this is also why those pump sit on the rubber .

the mesh make vibration on any pump and noise to (and i try it on some different pump ,i wish i was able to connect them to the skimmer body as it's on the BM skimmer)

3. if you decide to keep it , when you will start the pumps they will be rattle and this can be because the size of the mesh (diameter ) but when it's will be run for day or 2 that's it it will stop.

4. about those little pump i can tell you : if they was sell them separate and the hobbyist here was able to buy them maybe 50% of the ppl here was change them original pump to the Sicce pump and put them on own skimmer's .

i can't tell you what to do this is your money and if you feel bad turn it back , but i can tell you this: i am member in other forum to behind RC and i saw a lot of other review on a lot of different skimmer , there is other good skimmer in the market and i love them . but the ATI it's a great protein skimmer to and will beat a lot of good other... (i don't say that because i want to argue , i said that because i want you to know that this is a very good protein skimmer ) .

you can see here how the RD pump connect to the skimmer body , it doesn't mean the skimmer not good :


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/300mm-schaeumer-intern_gross.jpg


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/300er-extern_gross.jpg

[Reef Sponger]

Bubbleking skimmers, aren't they like $3,000+ and world known to be one of the best skimmers? I never did any research on them as they were out of my price range.

Vegas, hopefully you can do a little more research to settle your mind. you have one heck of a good skimmer.

Mavgi, if a $3,000 skimmer uses the same connection, is it that bad? I agree with you, it is just different and different doesn't mean bad, it just means different. Vegas come from a ASM background where they use those great uniseals.

[mavgi]

here is the big thread on the BM skimmer mostly on the BM250 and this thread was split 3 time . there is a lot of review there .

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1072121&perpage=25&pagenumber=20

[Creetin]

Well i don't understand why youre so mad about the cup and connections. If youre not happy just send it back.
I am sure someone else will buy it. Theres a reason they can't stay on the shelves.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Thanks guys, I feel better now! I was just upset as I thought it was very cheaply made in the pump connection and the cup connection. What is the box in the picture that the individual provided in page 2 of this thread? As I did not get one of those. Please let me know about the cup connection, did yours come with O-rings or a fastener between the collection cup and the body? I am going to keep it now, as I trust all of you more than my limited experiences. I just wanted to ask my bros at RC what to do, as my first impression was not good in regards to the connections. Thanks again All!

[prodman]

I hope it works out for you.

[Creetin]

Well the new models the cup sits on the neck and i don't think they came with or needed orings. The others like mine and mavgi's prior to your model had orings because the neck sat in the body of the skimmer.
The way the pumps sit on the rubber pucks and the way they used silicone hose for connections greatly reduces vibrations.
ATI will not budge on that, and i can live with it. I was surprised to see it too when i first seen it.
When i tell you all i hear is water its the truth, But my skimmer standpipe is above the water so its going to make a little water sound. My tunze streams make more noise than these skimmer pumps.
After that skimmer breaks in you will have a new standard for skimmer performance. IMO
Take care and check out the ATI thread. Theres lotsa good info there, and if you have any questions or thoughts just ask.

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9912619#post9912619 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
Thanks guys, I feel better now! I was just upset as I thought it was very cheaply made in the pump connection and the cup connection. What is the box in the picture that the individual provided in page 2 of this thread? As I did not get one of those. Please let me know about the cup connection, did yours come with O-rings or a fastener between the collection cup and the body? I am going to keep it now, as I trust all of you more than my limited experiences. I just wanted to ask my bros at RC what to do, as my first impression was not good in regards to the connections. Thanks again All!

Without any problem you can skim without the O ring till you get it .

this skimmer it's a real beast and when you will run it in your system you will know what i am talking about.

again , maybe the pump will rattle at the beging but nothing to worry about. if you need any help you can send me PM.

here is some picture of skimming (believe me you don't know what you buy yet) look on those picture :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP2151.jpg


here it's video :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/th_IMGP0732.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/?action=view&current=IMGP0732.flv)


and here when i clean it :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP1303.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP1305.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP1310.jpg


here how much air i pull with it and it's not the end (show me something like this....)


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/IMGP1793.jpg

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Damn thanks guys for the great info. Tomorrow I am hooking it up and will let you know how it goes... I am very excited thanks for the amazing pics also!

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Thanks Mavgi the video and pics were awesome!

[summer6]

My BM250 doesn't come with an o-ring, mentioned it to Greg at Reef Geek, and it's not needed. Trust me, you don't miss it, works fine as is.

[TwistedTiger]

I'm ordering a skimmer from Ed tomorrow and keep going back and forth between the H&S A150 and the BM 200. From reading the many threads I see the BM 200 will be the best performer but the build quality scares the hell out of me. I want a skimmer that will stay in one piece and last for longer than the 6 month warranty.

With all the changes on the BM I can't tell if the newer BM 200's come with that crappy knife valve on the outlet or if they come with a true gate valve mod. That knife vavle that everyone is calling a gate, with that cheap plastic screw looks like it will not last long and it appears there is no way to change the valve. Am I looking at the picture wrong, which valve does the 200 come with?

I really want the performance of the BM 200 but I'm definitely leaning towards the proven higher quality build of the H&S A150. Are all the BM owners confident that their skimmer will last long enough to see the warranty expire? I have had many cheap skimmers and am really looking to make my last skimmer purchase. I realize that tons of information has been provided so far and appreciate it but I'm looking for that last bit that pushes me one way or the other.

[mavgi]

Yes the H&S skimmer build stronger , but i want to ask you if you have it do you was taking the risk and to check it how it's break....

mistake can be happen and every skimmer can fall down and break it is acrylic not metal , no one will try to test it ....


even 1" crystal acrylic tank crack sometime you can't say it's not strong .... no one and i don't believe that any company will give you warranty for skimmer body.....

i suggest before you buy it , if you can see it in your eye it's will be better and easy to make the decision or ask some ppl here that have the new BM200 what they have to say about it ....

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Thanks guys, Ed sent me an Amazing email and was very kind. I still have a few questions for you BM-250 owners, and once these are answered I will set it up today and post pics. Thanks again all and Ed!

1) I was wondering if any of you guys have pics and instructions for setting up the gate valve kit as Ed sent me one in the package. I just dont want to PVC it wrong and ruin it. I was also wondering how you attach the pumps to the skimmer, do you do which of the following:

2) Should the surgical tubing go as far into the pump head insert as possible on the pump, and then push the extra tubing hanging off the pump head into the cylinder in the skimmer?

3) Or do you mean to insert the tubing part into the skimmer body first, and then work it into the pump head connection.

4) As for the break in, what % mix of white vinegar and fresh or salt water do you use to run it for a few hours with?

[TwistedTiger]

Vegas_ReefMan....PM sent.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I set it up and now it is just overflowing like mad. I put the gate valve all the way open as it overflows even more bubbles when the gate valve is all the way closed. The nipples on the pump connections point to the side of the pump, and not straight down. Is that a problem, where do your nipples point on your pumps when you hook them to the airline tubing? Where should the gate valve be, how long will it overflow for? Thanks again

[klam114]

Well, I don't claim to know it all, not even close. But I am a kmaintl convert. Probably whatever I post, Ed will have told you already or going to tell you soon. If he tells you any different, please go with what he tells you as he is the master and I am the student. :lmao: <a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9914698#post9914698 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
Thanks guys, Ed sent me an Amazing email and was very kind. I still have a few questions for you BM-250 owners, and once these are answered I will set it up today and post pics. Thanks again all and Ed!

1) I was wondering if any of you guys have pics and instructions for setting up the gate valve kit as Ed sent me one in the package. I just dont want to PVC it wrong and ruin it. I was also wondering how you attach the pumps to the skimmer, do you do which of the following:
Install it like this, this photo from another post from a RC member. Normally, the external gate valve kit doesn't come with a BM250, only for the BM200. You must have received a 3rd generation BM250 and Ed included it to make life easier to adjust for you.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/jasonincuritiba/BM200.jpg

2) Should the surgical tubing go as far into the pump head insert as possible on the pump, and then push the extra tubing hanging off the pump head into the cylinder in the skimmer?
YES, first insert the tubing into the pump head, all the way in. Then insert the remainning end into the skimmer body, all the way in until the pump and skimmer touches, exactly like this photo from another post by a RC member.
http://usera.imagecave.com/winner/BM20096hrsA.jpg

3) Or do you mean to insert the tubing part into the skimmer body first, and then work it into the pump head connection.
NO, see above. :D

4) As for the break in, what % mix of white vinegar and fresh or salt water do you use to run it for a few hours with?
10% for 2 hours. Use warm water, it works better.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Oh thanks again as I have my pumps facing down, so the rubber venturi part is on the ground which makes it site sideways! I spoke with Ed and he told me to remove the gate valve mod for a day or so as he said my tank must be full of organics, which is possible. I will redo the setup to match Kclam above, thanks again Kclam and Ed for Ed's 7 or 8 emails he sent me with images! What a guy!

[klam114]

The saga continues, maybe other BM250 could help you more on this one as I never used a BM250. But based on my experience with the BM200, one of 2 things is going on:
1. Mesh on the threadwheel impeller is too large and will overflow your skimmer easily. another symptom is that you will have restart problems, meaning when you turn on and off your skimmer pumps, they will rattle and take a little bit before it turns over and startup. If this is happenning, check with Ed on what to do.

2. The protein waste is big time in your tank water as your previous skimmer left it behind. Or you have something in your water that creates a LOT of excessive foaming. Not sure what it might be, but additives like stress coat and certain medications can make a skimmer go crazy and overflow, no matter what you do.

Best suggestion is to remove the gate valve kit and the T-exhaust from the exhaust riser so you can give the skimmer a chance to work correctly and remove some of that waste or foaming agents. Well, hope this helps a little. I'm sure others have more knowledge than I.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9915098#post9915098 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
I set it up and now it is just overflowing like mad. I put the gate valve all the way open as it overflows even more bubbles when the gate valve is all the way closed. The nipples on the pump connections point to the side of the pump, and not straight down. Is that a problem, where do your nipples point on your pumps when you hook them to the airline tubing? Where should the gate valve be, how long will it overflow for? Thanks again

On the BM250, the nipple is usually pointing towards the side or back of the pumps. Below is a photo from another RC member that shows coming out the back, but whatever works for you. I think either direction is fine as the skimmer isn't picky. :lol:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k167/chefbazz/Install/BM_250/12_hrs_1.jpg

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I want a pic of a BM-250s pumps attached, as you cannot make both pumps on the BM-250 point their air nozzles vertically, as only 1 pump can go sideways with its air nozzle up and the other has to go sideways with the air nozzle to the side. As the two pumps dont fit sideways side by side without knocking one pump off...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Thanks Klam that pic is what I needed that is how I had mine setup with the pumps upside down ontop of the venturis, however the book said that you need the air nozzles pointing up and yours is like mine above which is pointing to the side...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I have the BM-250 running now on its 2" platform in the sump with 11" total inches of water in the sump. The gate valve is off the skimmer as due to our high level of organics in the tank, we will need to skim a bit before we can put the gate valve on, without it bubbling over. Thanks again to all of you, as I want to marry my BM-250. It is SILENT, I cannot stress this enough. Not one decibel of noise. Check the bubbles on day one, 3 hours in. Please comment BM-250 owners as to how your break in went, and the height of water you keep in your sump.


BM-250 with Gate valve off - showing gate valve off

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=213566&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

BM-250 with Gate Valve Off - Showing Bubbles in Skimmer Neck

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=213567&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Ed said that you cannot buy replacement pumps for the skimmer unless, you overnight it to Reef Geek as they do not want to allow people to buy these pumps and then make DIY skimmers. I can see that point and respect it. I just wanted to give you all a heads up.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I meant unless it breaks, send the broken one to Reefgeek and you can pay to replace the pump. Otherwise you cannot get one of these pumps. I just put a ring on my skimmer, she said YES!!!

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9917137#post9917137 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
BM-250 with Gate Valve Off - Showing Bubbles in Skimmer Neck
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=213567&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500 Vegas, just looked at your 2nd photo. For 3 hours only, the foaming level seems to high to me. Think it might still overflow. With all that foaming in such a short time, you got some serious stuff in your tank. Have you tried removing the T-exhaust yet, it will lower the waterlevel within the skimmer a few inches?

[Vegas_ReefMan]

That is with the T exhaust removed, I just have it as is shown in pic 1 with the big hole open and water pouring out... I know that my G2 skimmer probably didnt skim anything. My nitrates were always 0-5 so I know that my water changes may have saved me...

[flyyyguy]

Well, I have been running a asm g-4+ on my 225.........and im over it. I run a Euroreef rated at half the capacity of the G4+ on my 90, and the thing skims circles around the G4+. I even meshmodded the g4+ recently to giv it one more chance, but it still didnt cut it. If I could get the right sized ER that would have fit i probably would have just went with it.

AFter reading this thread and others I decided to go ahead and order the BM 250 from Ed. One of the deciding factors was defintely the height, as this was the most highly regarded skimmer i have read about that will fit under my stand after i lift it to accomplish it sitting in 8" of water in my 100 gallon sump.

Ed was awesome. Super fast emails back and forth and we sealed the deal in about 1/2 hour this morning. He aleady had one left in stock for me as well and is shipping TODAY!!

looking forward

-b

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Sweet, you won't be disapointed. I will post more pics of my new BM-250 later today! Wait until you see how fine the bubbles are, the quantity of them, the low power consumption, and the fact that the pumps are silent!

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9922807#post9922807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
Sweet, you won't be disapointed. I will post more pics of my new BM-250 later today! Wait until you see how fine the bubbles are, the quantity of them, the low power consumption, and the fact that the pumps are silent! Any updates or photos?

[flyyyguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9922807#post9922807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
Sweet, you won't be disapointed. I will post more pics of my new BM-250 later today! Wait until you see how fine the bubbles are, the quantity of them, the low power consumption, and the fact that the pumps are silent!


Im not dissapointed at all so far. I got mine today. I think the gate valve is kind of cheesy, they could have easily made that out of acrylic and it would have been nicer........but other than that, the build quality was better than i expected after some of the things i have heard said.

What is kind of funny is that I LIKE the pump connections to the skimmer. I heard many people say they sucked, but i cant even count how many times i hav wrestled with uniseals on my ER's. I think the pump connection is a great design.

I cant speak for how it skims yet, as I just plugged it in, but so far so good. Seems like a very simple plug and play unit. Ed's customer service was of course great. I ordered it last Friday...got it today. Ed called me 1/2 hour after it arrived and asked if all was well. :)

The water depth in my skimmer section was 12" deep, so I built a 6" lift with some scrap i had laying around.

Got any pics of gunk yet Vegas Reef man?? :)

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h181/flyyyguy/frags/bm250-2.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h181/flyyyguy/frags/skimmerlift.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h181/flyyyguy/frags/bm250-3.jpg

[klam114]

Now that's what I call a professional looking stand. Thanks for sharing the photos, that's the first time I've seen photos of the new BM250 from a reefer. Looks perfect inside your sump. Just a suggestion, raise the bubble breaking level to even with the bottom of the collection cup. It looks like yours is about 3" below the collection cup.

[flyyyguy]

Thanks. :)

Yeah, as far as the level..i seriously just put the juice to it for the first time minutes before that pic.

Looking forward to some gunk. :)

[flyyyguy]

oops.....DP

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Here are a few pics after about 2 or 3 days of skimming, not super dark skimmate, but a copious amount. What do you guys think? I also got the version 3 model, which Ed said was better than the version 4 model in terms of working. Ed said that he didnt like the built in gate valve in version 4, as much as the PVC version in version 3. I received his last version 3...

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=214073&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=214074&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=214072&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

[flyyyguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9953816#post9953816 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
[B]Here are a few pics after about 2 or 3 days of skimming, not super dark skimmate, but a copious amount. What do you guys think?

Well, being as I just hooked my BM up, i cant speak for that, but i can say it hink yoru skimmer is still breaking in.

FWIW, in my heavy coral load, medium stocked for fish 225 I was pulling that much similarly colored wet skimmate out every day with my G4+. Im hoping this BM can do the same amount every day of a little darker skimmate. Thats why I bought it anyway.

jmo

[Vegas_ReefMan]

It will, it can break in for up to 3 weeks Ed said. I will keep updating my profile and this thread with pics. I hope others will as well. I just saw a pic of a BM-250 broken in, check this out! The pic came from Ed, so give him credit for the image.


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=214099&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

[klam114]

Hey VRM, that's Ed's BM200. I don't know that he has any BM250s running or testing right now. He gave me that photo as well and I saw it live. Live it actually looks black, but in the photos it looks like dark coffee. The photo is accurate, the BM200 really pulls out that crap, so yours should get better once it breaks in. BTW, Ed's BM200 doesn't normally get this dark coffee every week, he just redecorated his reef tank, so it kicked up a lot of stuff and the skimmer caught it all.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/126518BM-250-other.jpg

[Vegas_ReefMan]

So what is the normal color of skimmate from a broken in BM-250?

[Jim_S]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9961232#post9961232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vegas_ReefMan
So what is the normal color of skimmate from a broken in BM-250?

It seems to really vary with these skimmers. Some get a very light skimmate, some get light skimmate, and some get dark skimmate.

What I don't understand, is that my NW skimmer has kicked out crud like pictured above, and then some since day one. And continues to do so without adjusting, or anything. But everyone says how "great" the BM's are, and it seems to be that the people who can get good, consistant skimmate are few and far in between.

I know thses BM's draw alot of ait, but am I the only one who thinks that they would be much better with a taller body? That way you can adjust it all you want with the GV to get it skim as wet, or dry as you like :confused:

[flyyyguy]

Well I got impatient with mine....lol

I had it starting to skim well after about 24 hours and had collected about an inch of some good gunk in the cup.......then i wanted to wet it up a little...........woke up to to a overflowing cup this morning. haha

So I opened it back up and starting again. :)


[
I know thses BM's draw alot of ait, but am I the only one who thinks that they would be much better with a taller body? That way you can adjust it all you want with the GV to get it skim as wet, or dry as you like :confused: [/B]

so far from what i have witnessed, It appears as though it will be very easy to get as wet or dry of a skimmate as i want. Ill be able to say that more conclusively in a couple of days though......

Jimmdog, Also keep in mind that you are looking at a gallon sized collection cup there if comparing it to a NW200. You very well may already be.......just thought id point that out if you werent :)

[Jim_S]

Thanks fly, but I'm a little confused about what collection cup size has to due with the skimmer's adjustablity?

Jim

edit: Also, I'm not really comparing my skimmer (ER RC180) to a BM, they're two totally different products. On is RC, one has a bubble plate, one draws in a lot more air, etc., etc. I'm comparing my results to those that I see posted. Also, my skimmer has a drain, that i connected to a 2 gallon jug. Which gives me about 2.5 gallons in skimmate storage.

[flyyyguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9961792#post9961792 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
Thanks fly, but I'm a little confused about what collection cup size has to due with the skimmer's adjustablity?

.

It has nothing to do with it. I was just making sure when you said it appears that you r skimmer pulls out the same amount of stuff, that you werent looking at collection cup on one to collection cup on the other to make that assessment.

And you werent. :)

I drill all of my cups as well. I tend to skim WAY too wet not to.


Back to the new skimmer..........Ive got a SWEET 4" head formed now again after resetting it a couple of hours ago.........

looking forward again....and this time im gonna leave my hands OFF of it....for a while anyway...... lol

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9961309#post9961309 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
It seems to really vary with these skimmers. Some get a very light skimmate, some get light skimmate, and some get dark skimmate.

What I don't understand, is that my NW skimmer has kicked out crud like pictured above, and then some since day one. And continues to do so without adjusting, or anything. But everyone says how "great" the BM's are, and it seems to be that the people who can get good, consistant skimmate are few and far in between.

I know thses BM's draw alot of ait, but am I the only one who thinks that they would be much better with a taller body? That way you can adjust it all you want with the GV to get it skim as wet, or dry as you like :confused: I like the built of the recirculating H&S, ER and Deltec much better than the BM skimmers. IMHO, the BM skimmers are adequate built and performs just as well as the recirculating skimmers from those companies. This is not from experience owning them, but from watching them being tested at my dealers. I like the recircs and I have the smallest H&S A110 on a 50g reef. But when it came to my 100g reef, I originally made up my mind on the H&S A150 and Ed changed my mind to consider the BM200. It was a good decision as I saved a little bit and the performance I can easily see was equivalent to the Deltec AP701. So, my best guess without owning your ER RC180 is that it has a slight edge on performance over the BM200 as I've seen the H&S A200 do better and assuming the RC180 and A200 is about the same.

I know that once I set my BM200, same is true for Ed, we don't mess with it anymore. No adjustments, so definitely a set it and forget it skimmer. But getting to the sweet spot takes much longer than the recircs.

As for body height, the other option is a wider center riser and I believe that's what ATi did with the later generation BM200s and BM250s. So, if the skimmer isn't taller, it can be wider, same effect. Maybe one of the BM250 owners can measure the diameter of the center riser and the length of that riser from the top to where it starts to slope out towards the bigger outer diameter skimmer body. Not being an engineer or an expert, I think that riser size has a lot to do with balancing the 2 pumps vs chamber size.

[Jim_S]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9962855#post9962855 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by klam114

As for body height, the other option is a wider center riser and I believe that's what ATi did with the later generation BM200s and BM250s. So, if the skimmer isn't taller, it can be wider, same effect. Maybe one of the BM250 owners can measure the diameter of the center riser and the length of that riser from the top to where it starts to slope out towards the bigger outer diameter skimmer body. Not being an engineer or an expert, I think that riser size has a lot to do with balancing the 2 pumps vs chamber size.

I see. But I thought the 200 and 250 in the name referred to the size of the skimmer body i.e. 200mm and 250mm. So the newer ones have a wider body, like the BM160 vs the BM150?

Also, I am aware that making the skimmer diameter larger is also an option :) It just costs more for the larger acrylic tube diameter as opposed to a making the 200 or 250mm bodies taller. This way they can keep costs down a bit for several reasons (like not having to making all larger transitions on the body etc.), and not have to raise prices as much.

HTH

Jim

[klam114]

Hey Jim, as I understand it, the outer diameter is 200mm or 250mm, but the inner riser where the foaming does all its work is smaller than 200mm or 250mm of course. I've seen the BM250 at work with the collection cap off and the inner riser is definitely much wider looking than both the H&S A200 and the Deltec AP701 that I've seen. I never measured it or asked Ed about the measurement (I don't think he's measured it either), but that riser looks like a foot across (just exaggerating) on the later version of the BM250. I am really curious if a BM250 owner with the version 3 or version 4 can tell us how wide and tall that riser is?

[Jim_S]

Ahhh.... I see now. You're talking about the inside the skimmer. I must have misread/misunderstood your post Doh...... :)

Okay, so because ATI opened that up a little, it gives the skimmer more control?

[Reef Sponger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9963043#post9963043 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
Ahhh.... I see now. You're talking about the inside the skimmer. I must have misread/misunderstood your post Doh...... :)

Okay, so because ATI opened that up a little, it gives the skimmer more control? Sorry to butt in on your postings. I asked the same questions of the overflowing and Ed told me that he's not sure if the inner riser was increased and by how much since he never measured it. But he knows for sure that the exhaust was shorten and widen significantly, which brings the waterlevel inside the riser much lower than the earlier generations, so more of the riser is now be used for the foaming action. It makes sense to me.

[klam114]

Yes, definitely more control than the first 2 generations. And I'm curious on how that inner diameter riser compares to the recircs, this could prove the theory right or wrong or going the right direction.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Ok guys, I have the version 3 BM-250 and fly has the 4th gen, we can do a comparrison. What piece do you want a pic of exactly, as my termninology is a little lacking... I will snap a pic and measure and post it and fly could do the same...

[klam114]

The diameter of the BIG circular tube inside the collection cup, it's called a riser. Also, what is the length of that riser from the top to where it starts to slope out to the bigger body, so measure to the top of the part that slants from the body to the riser. Hope I've described it simply. Generation 3 and 4 should be the same.

[flyyyguy]

9 inches tall.....that is of course counting the entire thing, both the part of the tube on the collection cup and what it sits on until it widens. 6" wide.

I wouldnt bet my life on those being EXACT. but pretty close. Im just starting to some good skimmate going, i didnt want to mess it up by removing it, so those measurements were taken on the fly reaching under the sump. haha :)

[Reef Sponger]

So 6" diameter on the inner riser and 9" tall. Probably VRM can confirm that his is about the same measurements. Jim, can you get the measurement of your ER RC180? Anybody can get the measurement on a H&S A200? KLam, this is a great comparison just for an overview.

I just talked to Ed thinks that there was a more severe change on the BM200, but cannot verify as he hasn't measured everything. His reasoning is the the pumps on the later generation BM200 is much stronger than the earlier generation BM200s. He said something about the diameter of the earlier generation needed to be 41mm-42mm and it still had the tendency to overflow. With the recent generation, the diameter is now 44mm-45mm, same as the BM250 pumps. In order to compensate for this and have the waterlevel so low that some owners cannot get it up without the new gate valve kit, he said 3 things must have happened. The inner riser on the BM200 must be bigger & taller, plus the exhaust must also be a larger diameter and shorter.

I just verified in the introduction of generation 1, the heights were posted by ReefGeek as:
BM200 18.9"
BM250 21.7"

On lastest generation, on the ReefGeek website is:
BM200 19.1"
BM250 20.8"

Judging for the shorter BM250, ATi must have increased the inner diameter of the riser, but lower it a little and increase and lower the exhaust. For the BM200, it looks like they may have increase the diameter and height of the riser plus increase and lower the exhaust. This is just a logical guess, I could be wrong.

[Jim_S]

Yeah, I can measure the inside diameter of my collection cup. That's the same as the body, I'd assume the H&S pretty close to the same.

I'll post the results later, when I'm back from the office.

I still feel like these things are too small for the pumps, but I can't test one, so its kinda frustrating.... They shouldn't be overflowing like they do, and the skimmate should be more consistantly dark IMO, but JMO :)

Jim

[TwistedTiger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9963617#post9963617 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
I still feel like these things are too small for the pumps, but I can't test one, so its kinda frustrating.... They shouldn't be overflowing like they do, and the skimmate should be more consistantly dark IMO, but JMO :)

Jim

Mine has been up and running for just over 24hrs and hasn't come close to overflowing. Not sure what the difference is in some of the others and mine but it's acting just like any other skimmer I have broken in in the past.

Other than a couple of minor things that quality control should have but hasn't taken care of by now I don't see any problems. I think it will be at least a couple of weeks before I can say for sure how well it performs, but it sure does make a ton of fine bubbles which is what you want. There does seem to be a bit more turbulance than would seem optimal but it may produce so many bubbles that it is able to overcome that. I am able to lower my level in the skimmer low enough to where it should not be a problem skimming on the dry side.

[klam114]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9964322#post9964322 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TwistedTiger
Mine has been up and running for just over 24hrs and hasn't come close to overflowing. Not sure what the difference is in some of the others and mine but it's acting just like any other skimmer I have broken in in the past.

Other than a couple of minor things that quality control should have but hasn't taken care of by now I don't see any problems. I think it will be at least a couple of weeks before I can say for sure how well it performs, but it sure does make a ton of fine bubbles which is what you want. There does seem to be a bit more turbulance than would seem optimal but it may produce so many bubbles that it is able to overcome that. I am able to lower my level in the skimmer low enough to where it should not be a problem skimming on the dry side. I think RS maybe correct. The riser inside the BM200 must have been lenghten as well as a wider diameter and also the exhaust must have been shorten and wider diameter, which brings the waterlevel inside the skimmer much lower than the earlier versions. The only mistake that ATi made on the exhaust that I agreed with TT is it hits the bottom of the collection cup and that's were the gate valve kit address this and easier to adjust a gate valve that a T-fitting with a wingnut.

[Creetin]

I think they are perfect, I have the first wave, and i don't think its too small at all. I had one or 2 overflows when my simmer broke in, Well i lied. It did over flow a few times when i used some epoxy sticks to cement down frags. :P

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I will be posting some new pics today after a 1 1/2 week break in. I think you will be impressed, I have a 3/4 cup of dark skimmate!

[scottk]

I just got my 250 2 days ago. Set it up yesterday. The build is the same as I have reading here.....adequate, could be better. Still don't like drippy cup connection......gonna be salt creep deluxe later.

Had to use some extra hose inside the rubber hose (almost same size) to get a firm pump mounting. Rock solid now. Had the usual one pump rattle until I took it off and inverted it for 20 seconds. Then it caught and stopped cavitating and worked just fine. Bubble city after that.

We'll see what kind of foam (or mess) I have when I get home today......

Where are you guys running the foam level in the neck of the cup?

[klam114]

What I was taught, by my local dealer when I purchased my BM200, is the initial setting of the bubble breaking level should be even with the bottom of the collection cup for the first 3 days. After 3 days, the foaming should naturally rise on its own. Beginning with the 4th day, if the skimming is too dry (too low), adjust up 1/2", but no more than 1/2" every 24 hours and you won't experience any flooding of your collection cup.

[flyyyguy]

One of the pumps will usually still rattle if i shut them off for any reason and then start up......but a little trick i found for anyone who cares:

instead of unhooking the pumps OR the airhose on the afflicted pump which both can be a PITA to reconnect......i pull the entire silencer off without unhooking anything and blow into the top of it down into the pumps......fixes it instantly

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Alright Boyz, peep the pics of my BM-250 version 3 during break in... I have the gate valve off of it, as it is still pulling tons of organics, and when i put the gate on it overflows still...

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215009&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215010&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215011&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215012&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215013&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215014&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215015&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215016&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215017&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=215018&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

[Vegas_ReefMan]

The pics above are from 1 week of break in, and the pump rattle that flyguy spoke of has to do with running the pump without air coming in, after turn off they suck in some water, so you need to either redo the tubing connection and get the water out, or blow into the silencer to get the water out just as Fly does...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

I keep the bubble foam level at about 1/5 of the way up the inside of the cup riser connection piece...

[flyyyguy]

Nice VRM!! You are pulling more gunk out than I........but I only have 5 small fish in my 225 and it was pretty clean to start with.

Its doing great for you so for. Looks like a good purchase dontcha think?? :)

[TwistedTiger]

That's some impressive week one pics, tons of dark skim. What were you using before a single air stone in a 5 gallon bucket?:D Your tank must have been loaded with nutrients, you should see happier fish and coral already. Glad to see things worked out for you, I know you were skeptical when it first arrived on yor door step.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Nope I was using an ASM G2 and always did 20% water changes per month. I never had nitrates over 1 ppm with the ASM but now it is down to 0. I have a fully loaded 225 with 15 small fish and tons of corals and inverts. Fly yes bro, it is one hell of a skimmer and I am super excited. Although not as much as my fishies...

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Yes guys I was skeptical at first, but now I know that ED and you guys steered me correctly. Thanks again to my RC bros, I love you all!

[Creetin]

Glad you are happy! Looks like its doing its job. Man i wish these skimmers could pull out dark skimmate. LOL J/K!
What i see is people over doing thier skimmer size, and or already have a low nutrient tank giving the skimmer not much to pull out hense the light skimmate. I have to run wet or i don't get much skimmate. My 250 went gangbusters at first like yours.
Eventually it will get lighter because ot has removed most of it but thats a good thing IMO.
I have 2 large skimmers running and i have to run wet or i would only have to clean them every 2 weeks. I just use the wet skimmate as a slow waterchange along with my 20% evey 2 to 3 weeks.

[Vegas_ReefMan]

LOL, I bet with my Bio load that it will always pull the dark skimmate, if not I will be amazed... As for all you guys getting the light skimmate, your water must not be as saturated as mine. As my pics are proof that this baby will create the green to blackish gunk all day...

[klam114]

This is exactly why Ed tries to teach hobbyist that you really need to be familiar with how all the different skimmers work within a skimmer company and know when a skimmer might be undersized or severely oversized. He's one that believes that proper sizing is important or just a little bigger. He never recommends severely oversized. Also, he's shared information with me about how different skimmer companies, although have same body size skimmers, do not perform anywhere near the same. One just needs to have experience using all of them to be able to determine the right skimmer for a particular setup.

Then it becomes preference after that. Some like to have their skimmer do well for a day or two and sit idle the rest of the time (symptoms of oversized). Others prefer to have their skimmers pulling something out daily and while others like to skim so wet that they have to empty their collection cups every day or two (symptoms of either extremely wet or undersized). I've posted this photo before, this is Ed's BM200 on a 100g reef tank, but it's been tuned down because he thinks the skimmer is oversized for a 100g. He gets this every 4-5 days.
http://preview.klam8.photosite.com/~photos/tn/9841730_1024.ts1176397973753.jpg

[Vegas_ReefMan]

Roger that Klam, you are right. I think some of the guys in this post are having the light skimmate from running wet, as they are running an oversized skimmer. However, ours is running dark as it is a high bioload and a correctly sized skimmer to slightly oversized... Or it could be that we just have tons of crap in the water which will soon be removed and then we will skim lightly as well... Either way I am happy to run an ATI...

[klam114]

VRM, I think that everyone recommended the right skimmer for your setup. I know that you were first asking about other models, but I don't think you would have been as happy with them as you are with this skimmer. I'm just glad that the BM300 isn't released yet, as you may have been tempted to go for that and I'm sure Ed would have had a hard time trying to explain to you why you don't need it.

I think right now, you just have too much crap to catchup on your tank. Once it settles to a norm and all of it is skimmed out, you'll probably still have dark rich skimmate, but not the same volume as now. Typically, no one gets this dark during the first week of break-in. That G2 wasn't doing much for your system, I think that's pretty obvious. If the G2 was working properly on your tank, you should have had to empty it out daily, but still the skimmer couldn't take out what it needed out of your tank, just way too undersized.

[TwistedTiger]

Klam I see the air valve in the picture of Ed's skimmer, what does cutting back on the air do for the skimmer?

[klam114]

TT - Ed tuned down his skimmer for his 100g reef display tank as he felt the skimmer stock was overkill. Part of the tuning down was to restrict the air to the skimmer instead running it fully open. Here's new BM thread, guess it was setup to replace the closed BM info thread. There's a RC member that looks like he's tested his BM skimmer to all the limits.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1127198

[TwistedTiger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10018033#post10018033 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by klam114
TT - Ed tuned down his skimmer for his 100g reef display tank as he felt the skimmer stock was overkill. Part of the tuning down was to restrict the air to the skimmer instead running it fully open. Here's new BM thread, guess it was setup to replace the closed BM info thread. There's a RC member that looks like he's tested his BM skimmer to all the limits.
Saw that thread and I really wouldn't suggest doing things like changing the mesh. Also taking the vent off the gate valve assembly does absolutely nothing for skimmer performance, it is simply to cut down on micro bubbles and to keep the air leaving the skimmer with the water from creating back pressure. I still don't have a clear answer to what limiting the air does for the skimmer. It should change skimmer performance but not necessarily for the better. I could see if it made smaller bubbles or something like that it could effect skim in a positive way. I'd just like to know exactly what positive effect it has from someone that does it.

[kslick]

These skimmers don't work the same on all tanks, what works for his may not work for all, it's trial and error. Thier isn't any backpressure because his outlet is in a calm part of his sump. This idea wouldn't work if your sump has alot of splashing and water movement from the drain. Hope that helps a little.