New concentrated Elos Omega Amino acids

[elosusa]

Here is the new Elos Omega amino acids.These are the new boxes and they have a small instruction sheet that is in Italian and the old instructions for the monovials. Be sure to follow the new small instructions of 1 to 3 drops per 100 liters (26.4 gallons) per day and discontinue for 15 days if you notice algae growth. Obviously, your dosage will vary depending on your system and how your tank is stocked.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960omega1.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960omega2.jpg

[MSHUR]

Jessie,
How much per bottle?


mike

[elosusa]

34.62

[MSHUR]

Thankx,

Btw, did u get me email?

[elosusa]

I did and I will email you back. Talk to you later. Jesse

[MSHUR]

TY..:)

[Bricky]

Is there any difference between the 'Omega Aminos' and the 'Aminoacids Monodose' other than the obvious vial size difference?

[elosusa]

the new version is even more concentrated so the dosages are different and now the bottle and the dropper is in line with our other expert line additives.

[barrierreefcf]

You weren't kidding Jesse....hot hot hot! Can't wait to see them fly off the shelf.


Cy

[glassbox-design]

jesse do you know the profile for the solution?

eric

[Canarygirl]

Hi

I just bought a bottle of this product and there was no instruction sheet of any language in it! I have a 3 month old mixed reef, 120 gallons. I haven't used it yet becuase I don't want to do it wrong.

I also bought the Elos Filter M product, and plan to stick with just these two coral supplements for the time being (in addition to my live phytoplankton)

Any links, websites, or advice would be appreciated. I have several nice SPS frags and am trying to encourage growth and color (isn't everyone??) :rolleyes:

[elosusa]

It is simply as follows.
1-3 drops per 100lts.(26.4 gallons) per day depending on the stocking of your system and discontinue dosing for 15 days if you notice unwanted algae growth. When you continue your dosage reduce the amount until you find the right level. The Filtra M instructions should be in the shrink wrap. Let me know if you have any other questions and feel free to email me if you want me to send you a scan of the instructions.

[elosusa]

flint and eric I will get it for you.

[glassbox-design]

thanks jesse, any info would be great. i'm getting sick of making my own...

[elosusa]

just got off the phone with Mike and he was doing the same thing and he is not anymore.

[glassbox-design]

haha so i am not the only one? it's fun, but for my little tank it's not worth it. plus i am seeing less value to my corals in AA's and more in other supps.

[Canarygirl]

which other supplements do your corals respond to?

[edsimmons]

I just got a bottle of ELOS omega in side the package was a 50ml bottle and a glass dropper. In the instructions in storage section at the bottom says “Once open the product should be refrigerated and use within two weeks.

Is this correct?

TIA Ed

[elosusa]

No this is incorrect. It would be a rather expensive 2 weeks though:) Since John has the brand new shipment he has the one with the instructions from the older mono vials and it should have a small instruction sheet in Italian. At the start of this thread I gave you the instructions for the new 50ml bottle. You can refrigerate if you want and make sure not to have in heat or direct sunlight. The bottle is a concentrated formula with a dropper and the old one was a plastic mono vial that some would open and use only a partial amount shown on this picture on the left:
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960Omega_FishFood_content-008.jpg
Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.
BTW, eric&flint I haven't forgot about your request and once I get it I will forward it on.

[Freed]

And what are these concentrated "miracle supplements" supposed to do?

[elosusa]

Our website and other websites from other companies who make aminos give basic descriptions and there benefits and there are a few, more in depth articles, on this subject if you want to search around a bit.

[Freed]

And you can't describe what they do here why? Do you have a link to these miracle supplements and what they do?

[Jeff]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10023213#post10023213 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freed
And you can't describe what they do here why? Do you have a link to these miracle supplements and what they do?

Why act like that?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/17831/Crazyface.gif

[Freed]

Uh, act like what? Read anything into my question that you want. I just want a link or an explanation of these "miracle" supplements.

[edsimmons]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10021692#post10021692 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elosusa
small instruction sheet in Italian.

Yeah,that dose not do much for me.

[edsimmons]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10021692#post10021692 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elosusa
At the start of this thread I gave you the instructions for the new 50ml bottle.

Idid'nt see any info about storage.

[elosusa]

Plenty of discussion here with different links:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1086412&highlight=amino+acids
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1123176&highlight=amino+acids
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1218179&blobtype=pdf
http://www.eloseurope.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=57&category_id=16&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=76&lang=en
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_searchItem.aspx?IdCategory=&SearchText=amino

[elosusa]

Ed, the 2nd link I gave freed is of a guy who is using our aminos like most he notices polyp extension at first. I would give it more time before raising the dosage. To store, keep out of heat or direct sunlight and in a cool place and it is ok to refrigerate, as well.

[Freed]

There we go that's all I wanted. Thanks.

[edsimmons]

Thank you Jesse!

[Jeff]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10023611#post10023611 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Freed
Uh, act like what? Read anything into my question that you want. I just want a link or an explanation of these "miracle" supplements.

You know what I am talking about.
Calling this product a "miracle product" is rude. Let them offer thier product without you trying to pick a fight by calling thier product something that it is not. They didnt claim that it is a miracle product, you did.
We all have questions about it that is why we are all here. At least give them the benefit of the doubt before action so immaturely.

Jeff

[Freed]

Uh, take a pill and calm down. It's my right to be skeptical about any elixer in a bottle. Especially after Marc Weiss' potions that claim to be the most wonderful thing for a reef tank but he WILL NOT divulge what exactly is in his sugar water. It's not up to you to defend Elos but up to him and him alone to back up his claims of wonder growth products.

[Jeff]

Uh hehe, they dont make any of those claims at all. They should not be compared to another company. Read the entire thread thru and you will see why I think you are acting rudely.
Sorry I got involved but I have been seeing people like you a lot lately on RC. And you wouldnt believe who just sent me a pm about htis lol...

Never mind, carry on. Sorry.

[glassbox-design]

You could get the ingredients, but what would it mean to you?

What's the benefit of a high glutamine content versus an arginine/akg complex? how about PE and coloration effects based on the profile?

Not a single company posts their full ingredients or amino profile for their AA supps, yet people use them. I asked Jesse for some extremely valuable information and he's going to get it to me, try getting that from another company.

Just because the ingredients arent listed does not mean a thing. Elos is an extremely high caliber company and I can assure you there products are more than sugar water. If you knew about AA's, well quite honestly you wouldnt be asking for the ingredients and calling them sugar water etc.

Jesse when ever you can get it, shoot me a PM or e-mail....:lol:

Eric

[tfp]

jesse,
is it ok to use carbon when dosing the aminos? or should i remove it for a few hours after dosing?

[elosusa]

Sorry missed this one. It is ok to leave the carbon in but if you prefer you can remove it. Most people dose at night and some turn off the return pump but keep a circulation (powerhead) going for a few minutes in the display while they dose. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

[tfp]

no problem jesse. i just started using them last Saturday and shut off my sump return pump for an hour also.

[CamBarr]

does any one have any pics of tanks using this product or similar???

[ejocam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10218334#post10218334 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tfp
no problem jesse. i just started using them last Saturday and shut off my sump return pump for an hour also.

So what's the verdict Timmy ?

[tfp]

eric, i've been using 12 drops daily since 6/23 and i've noticed the corals getting darker, deeper colors. esp. ones with blue. the product smells like concentrated vitamins.

[ejocam]

Any pics brutha ?

[Fliger]

Whats up Eric, long time no see. I started dosing - definitely noticed some deeper colors. My SPS were all in a low nutrient QT. I think this stuff really helps in low nutrient environments, or with systems that have oversized skimmers. Just some very unscientific observations.

BTW, had a tank crash. :( Lots of my faves I've had from my many trips to see you were lost - even my Mystic Table. I gotta get out there and restock.

[Fliger]

DP

[tfp]

eric, i'll try to get some pics this weekend.

fliger, pm on the way...

[mpoletti]

Jesse- what do you guys recommend for continual use? I have been using them for about two weeks and like the results, but am unsure if we should only use two weeks and then take a break or just use them every day.

[tfp]

eric - recent pics here (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1157596).

[MSHUR]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10290607#post10290607 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tfp
eric - recent pics here (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1157596).
Wow.. really nice colors....I am in line for some frags:)) Hope to get my new elos tank by end of july:))

[Canarygirl]

Bee-auuu-tiful corals, tfp! Wow. Thanks so much for posting pics. I have been using Elos AA's too occasionally but I'm uncertain of how often to use them. I'm struggling a bit with nuisance algae at the moment (cyano) that coincidentally started after beginning the AA's. It's probably just coincidence but I backed off on my frequency to 1-2 times a week after this started.

Does anyone know whether AA's can contribute to higher nutrient levels in the tank? Or should I just stop worrying about that?

[mpoletti]

I think that it states that if you have an algae outbreak, hold off using for awhile. I am sure Jesse will chime in on Monday.

[elosusa]

yes AA's can contribute to an algae bloom and if you see this discontinue use for 15 days and then restart with a lower dosage. Many also find that when they use aminos they feed less with better results. Canarygirl are you using the new concentrate or the old mono vial?

[Canarygirl]

Well, this is the first Elos AA product I've bought, and I bought it a couple of months ago. It is a 50 ml dropper bottle and it says OMEGA amino acids on it. That's the concentrate, isn't it? I've been adding 5-6 drops in my 180 gallon system, 1-2 times a week. But I started out with more frequency than that and that's whey my cyano problem started.

[elosusa]

Canarygirl there is likely a correlation in the cyano and the AA's as you are adding organics to the tank and this can happen. I was on the phone with Mike Paletta today and he will be in your area doing a speech on this subject which you may find interesting. He uses our AA's and he even mentioned that he gets good results using LESS initially and even on the lower side of our recommendations for continued use. I may be able to get up there and see the speech that he is doing on growth and coloration, among other things I presume, and it may be something you could attend to get a much more detailed view on the subject. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

[Canarygirl]

Yes, I would be very interested in hearing that speech. Is that planned for the Tri-Cities conference, the weekend of July 21st?

[elosusa]

Yeah, this one:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1141211

[tfp]

Canarygirl, i'm using 1 drop per 25g daily. no nuisance algae but corals responding well :). i always start on the conservative/minimum side of any product added to my tank just to play it safe.

[Canarygirl]

That's the same amount I use when I use it, tfp, but most of my corals are babies. I only have ~3-4 bonafide colonies. So maybe there is more AA product not being utilized and going into the water column....

[tfp]

thats a good point regarding uptake. maybe try 2 drops daily? i dunno :(.

[ejocam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10282283#post10282283 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Whats up Eric, long time no see. I started dosing - definitely noticed some deeper colors. My SPS were all in a low nutrient QT. I think this stuff really helps in low nutrient environments, or with systems that have oversized skimmers. Just some very unscientific observations.

BTW, had a tank crash. :( Lots of my faves I've had from my many trips to see you were lost - even my Mystic Table. I gotta get out there and restock.

Sorry to hear of that Dave. Drop me an email, don't wanna hijack here.

Also, Tim looking good brotha :)

[sammy33]

I have been dosing an amino product recently and have noticed some results. The product I am using only lists 5 ingredients that are aminos.

The Elos Omega Amino describes 17 aminos that are included. Would it be possible to get a list of this amino profile? I am curious to see if Aspartic Acid, L-Glautamine and others are included. :)

[africangrey]

Hey Jesse,
I am in N. San Jose, any chance I might find the amino acid in Aquarium Gallery.
Spencer

[elosusa]

they do not. You can call the office and we can ship.

[Kshack]

With the Pappone/ Blu Coral method, they recomend dosing the AA's and then turning down the skimmer. I thought that was to prevent the skimming of the just added AA's, but see no mention of this with the Elos AA's.
Any thoughts?
Ken

[KrazyOnetime]

I just got a box of elos omega and it is a 90ml bottle and it says to add 3-6 drops for every 13 gallons depending on stocking level that would be 34.5 drops for my 150g at 3d rops per 13g so now i'm reading on here that people are only using a few drops per day whats going to happen to my tank now that ive added 34 drops? Why are my instructions aparently different from everyone elses?

[elosusa]

Your instructions are correct for your bottle. This thread was around 3yrs. old and since then we have changed the formula to avoid over dosing when we went to the bottle over the mono vials. Now the 90 ml bottle has more of a certain vitamin, while still very concentrated, it is a larger bottle at the same price and is a bit safer/easier to dose. Having said that, I would still consider the instructions as the maximum to use and I would suggest to start slow, perhaps half, for the first 15 days and then increase after that if you prefer. Hope that helps.

[KrazyOnetime]

alright thankyou for responding