Propagation Greenhouse

[Doahh]

I live in Loomis (Norcal) and want to create my own formal prop business... I am going to claim income tax and write EVERYTHING off... I just want some examples of propagation greenhouses.

[Doahh]

Readox... anyone else who has constructed a GH have any advice of what to make it out of?

[deep6er]

How long have you been fraging? I suggest you get as much knowledge as you can before going big. Try fraging out of your basement for a year or so.

[coralnut99]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10116226#post10116226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Doahh
I live in Loomis (Norcal) and want to create my own formal prop business... I am going to claim income tax and write EVERYTHING off... I just want some examples of propagation greenhouses.

Do your "Income Tax" homework first.

[raaden]

Make sure you do your research... well, and understand the business aspect of it. That is what will make or break you, the skills to frag are not that hard, and can be learned along the way if you choose to do so, but messing up the business end will shut you down in a heartbeat.

[MeuserReef]

Check out IRS Section 179.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/Edit/tips/Stories/sec179_deduction.asp

http://www.pressesforindustry.com/section179.html

My wife and I were pointed to this tax section while researching the feasibility of starting an Alpaca ranch here in TX. (yeee haw!)

Were were also told to get a CPA to assist, at least for the first year or so.

[redox]

I used wood framing and poly carb panels. There are many ways to build one it all depends on how permenant of a structure you are lookig for. In my case I built a structure that can withstand hurricane force winds;)

[H20ENG]

Doah,
I'm in Vacaville, and I know Loomis gets as hot as my place. I just lost a whole frag tank full 2 days ago to the heat :(
Have you ran greenhouses before? I would imagine you would need one heck of a cooling system. I thought about doing it in the winter time, but when its 108 outside, not much you can do to keep it cool (cost effectively anyway).
Best of luck, and let us know so we can check it out!
Chris

[BristlewormKing]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10116226#post10116226 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Doahh
I live in Loomis (Norcal) and want to create my own formal prop business... I am going to claim income tax and write EVERYTHING off... I just want some examples of propagation greenhouses.

#1 - you can't "write everything off" at one time - the green house must be depreciated over a period of time. All startup costs must also be amortized.

#2 - If you don't show a profit within a certain period of time, the IRS considers it a hobby and you don't get to write anything off.

#3 - If you get extreme heat, you might want to look at converting your garage, or if you don't have one, think about getting one of those self contained storage units that you can put in your backyard that also support air conditioning (i.e., has two windows for window units).

Good luck!!

[Doahh]

I could easily experiment with Geothermal cooling this summer... I'm hoping that I can pump water faster or slower depending on how cool I need to cool the water

[redox]

been there done that. you better put the line down deep. I had more heat gain from the geo-loop than the sun:D

[H20ENG]

Over here, I believe the ground temps are much cooler than your neck of the woods, redox. My well water used to come up at 58 deg, even if it was 100+. I know in FL, people are getting 78-80 ground temps. What temp was yours running, FWIW?
You would need a LOT of tubing to sink that much heat into the ground though.

[Doahh]

yeah...I was thinking of some form of thin vat 5-6 feet down. My well water stays really cold all year round.

[Twisted]

For what it's worth, depending on what size of a set up you are looking into setting up, here is what I was thinking and I am in Redding Ca. which averages 100 most of the summer with quite a few 120 degree days over the last couple summers.

I have a 12X10 shop in my back yard and was considering setting up tanks in the back half of it. If I did I would put a false wall in it and an airconditioner so that I am only cooling the back half of the shop, I would also have insulated it.
This would work really well for what I was planning on doing for mass produceing softies useing only power compacts. And would most likely work well for a few smaller SPS grow out systems, you may have to add an exaust fan for the humidity.


The other was retail version greenhouse, I was thinking small scale still, like a 10X12 or 8X10 green house, they sell them all over, costco, walmart, harbor freight, and online in many places. Range around $500 to $1200. These have the cell formed plastic insets with an aluminum frame.
This would still need an exaust fan, but you could probablly run off straight sun light during the summer and halides in the winter. This can also be cooled down by the use of a large portable swamp cooler <more humidity though> or a portable air conditioner.

Any way you look at it, going to be spendy. Trust me, I have been looking into it for a couple years now.
Geo thermal cooling, you may look in too the plastic septic, or water storage systems, and burying one in your yard, don't expect a lot out of it, but the good news is, it would add between 100 and 500 gallons to your system which is a lot of water to heat. Bad news, is it's also a lot of water to cool back down.

Another thing I though of is taking one of those large chest style freezers and 5/8s aluminum fuel line. the fuel line comes in coils of like 100 feet. If you ran your water through a couple 100 feet of aluminum tubing in a container that is 0 degrees....not sure how much water that would cool by how much, but would really love to find a way to find out.

[redox]

Ive tried all kinds of ways to keep it cool. I finnally went back to a heat exchanger. you cant beat a chiller. My power bill dropped 100 bucks when I put it in:D I tried colling the air first. It worked but was costly and I saw spikes of 85 degrees:eek2: now it stays within .7 and the acros are growing fast and have fpe and nice color. even some of the colonies that were half dead have regrown and colored up. go with a chiller, or at least have one on hand for backup;)