Starting a new 90 Progress will be updated

[Dano999]

I just purchased an Oceanic 90g with stand and canopy.

I am going to post updates of the progress. So far I have purchased the following.

90 Gal Oceanic Stand and Canopy
48" x 6 IceCap VHO retrofit kit (May also add moonlights and auto shut off switches when opened)
Front
UVL Super Actinic
UVL Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue Plus
UVL Aquablue
ATI Blue Plus
Aquafuge Pro
Miracle Mud
Eheim 1260
Ocean Reef + 1 Five Stage 75 gpd RO/DI
Dual TDS Meter
PVC Mini Adjustable Float valve
Tubing
Aqueon 300 Watt Heater
Milwaukee Refractometer
Carib Sea Aragonite

Items still Pending

135 lbs of Live Rock
2 Clip on Fans
2 Maxi-Jet 1200
Water Storage containers
Auto-Shutoff for topping off (I travel some and will use a 10g container for topping off)
Test kits
Timers for lights
GFCI
Misc fittings

Day 1

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Measured for retrofit Putting 2 lamps on A and 4 on B

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[Dano999]

Day 2

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[Mavrk]

Very cool. Are you doing a Deep Sand Bed? Hey, does that RO/DI unit come with a reserve tank? I always wondered about that. Or does it flow fast enough to fill a glass of water without one? I am thinking of putting one under my sink and don't fully grasp it all.

[Dano999]

I have 90 lbs of sand which I believe puts it at 2".

The RO/DI doesn't come with a reserve tank. I am still deciding what to use. It will depend on where I install the RO/DI. I was thinking about the laundry room and tapping into the washing machine faucet with a brass Y adapter and shut off valve. This way I could also use the drain for the waste water. I need two 15 gallon food grade containers for the reserve. I want to use one for the top off water and the other for mixing for changes. I will be searching locally for the containers as the ones I found online have shipping costs higher than the cost of the container.

If my math is right it only puts out 6.6 oz per minute. The have 150 gpd units.

[Mavrk]

Since you and I have a very similar setup, I thought I might pick your brain on the RO/DI unit decison you made. What made you choose the OCEAN WAVE+ FIVE STAGE 75 GPD RO/DI over the OCEAN REEF + 1 FIVE STAGE 75 GPD RO/DI?

I know the Ocean Reef is more expensive, but it comes with a dual TDS meter and a pressure valve. Are these actually helpful to have? I guess they could be added later.

I guess I should get one:
Assuming 10% water change (8 gallons) every 2 weeks (to be conservative) at 50 cents (from LFS), I would only get 20 weeks worth for the 160 it would cost for the unit (plus shipping). Calculate in my cost of water from the city, and I would say break even at 6 months. This doesn't even include the gallon/week of top off I expect.

Seems like a no brainer, but I am still hesitant until I understand exactly what I need.

Thanks for the help,
Mav

[Dano999]

I chose the Ocean Reef not the Ocean Wave just for the reasons you mentioned. Added the bypass valve for drinking water also.

[Mavrk]

Oh, I read it wrong :) I was thinking the bypass valve would be a good addition as well. How much was shipping? Their site doesn't say.

[Dano999]

In regards to water cost you also have to add the time to go get it from your LFS.

[Dano999]

Sent you a PM with details

[Mavrk]

Sorry, one last question they have:

100 GPD FILMTEC MEMBRANE OPTIONAL (NO CHARGE)

Is this not as good for some reason?

[Famous]

Great looking tank. Can not wait to see progress!

[Mavrk]

My megaflow kit came with a double nozzle that split the return back into the tank. I had a little trouble with this design, but luckily PVC is somewhat flexible. My overflow is in the corner, so that may have mad a difference.

That was the very first thing I did to my tank after putting it on the stand. Luckily, it got easier from there.

Keep us up to date on the progress.

[Dano999]

I have the double flow nozzle also. I have been looking to see if loc-lines will fit to extend the nozzle. It looks as if they only come in blue instead of the black from the megaflow kit. I am painting the back glass black this weekend.

http://www.loc-line.com/

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10520921#post10520921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mavrk
Sorry, one last question they have:

100 GPD FILMTEC MEMBRANE OPTIONAL (NO CHARGE)

Is this not as good for some reason?

I believe all they are saying is you can bump this up to a 100gpd for the same price.

[reef93]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10522357#post10522357 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I believe all they are saying is you can bump this up to a 100gpd for the same price.

75gpd ro membranes is 98% rejection rate and 100gpd is 90%.
that mean you need to replace your DI resin quicker for 100gpd.

[Dano999]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Dano999]

Day 3

Went to the local Home Depot to pick up a few inexpensive fittings and misc items to finish up the plumbing. Well $135 later I departed for home but first a trip to the liquor store. It is Friday night after all.

Things are going well until I try to put the 3/4" barb on the ball valve. Of course it's metric and doesn't fit. Glad I went to the liquor store.

Ok ran down to Ace hardware just to pick up a 3/4" barb coupling. Ok $60 dollar later (I picked up some small 6" clip on fans after reading others have used them on the same canopy) I'm on my way back but first a trip to the liquor store.

Ok got everything together but suffered my first injury. Made a note not to do that again. Maybe two trips to the liquor store had something to do with it.

Checked out the fans I purchased at Ace. No way these are going to work. They are huge. Made a note to reply back to that post that recommended them. I decided to wait until tomorrow to return the fans because I couldn't afford another trip to the liquor store.

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Made a note to shorten drain line.

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[barngeatbayman]

where did you purchase that drain line?

[Dano999]

From my LFS. It came with the fuge. I hope he has a shorter legth.

[afelder]

looks good

[Nano Chris]

Thought you were using an Eheim, i see a Mag....

That is a beautiful stand/canopy, might have to change mine out for that lol.

[Mavrk]

Looking good. I have the same problem with that hose/drain. It is really too long, but I am using it for now anyway.

I ended up with the maple stand/canopy because I needed a lighter color, but the cherry looks really nice. It comes in oak too. Looking good!

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10529546#post10529546 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Criminal#58369
Thought you were using an Eheim, i see a Mag....

That is a beautiful stand/canopy, might have to change mine out for that lol.

I changed and can't edit the first post.

[usmcsgt]

Looks like a great start!!!

[Dano999]

Day 4

Today I purchased two Hydor Koralia #4 Circulation Pumps. These will be used in place of the 2 Maxi-Jet 1200s I had planned. I also tried to get a shorter flex hose for the fuge but was unsuccessful.

I started out by installing a GFCI but ran into some trouble. Whenever the load wires were connected the GFCI would trip. Not good. Checked everything and can not figure what's causing it to trip. I think I'm going to have a dedicated line installed anyway since my home theater equipment is on the same breaker.

Next I finished up the plumbing and put the Koralias in the tank. I filled the tank to test everything and to make sure there were no leaks.

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The overflow kept rising and falling and the input for the drain was creating a lot of bubbles. It also sounded like Niagara Falls. I read about this on some threads having to do with the drain tube collecting air. So knowing my drain line was too long (and I couldn't find a shorter one) I cut the hose to avoid any areas that could collect air. I used a hose clip to make sure it held. I also used a 4" piece of 3/4" PVC and installed it in the 1" coupler to help keep the noise down from the drain water falling into the fuge.

The overflow was still rising and falling and it was still really noisy.

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I reduced the flow from the pump with the ball valve I installed and adjusted the height of the overflow drain tube. That finally stopped the rising and falling in the overflow.

Aquafuge's site forum says the flow rate for this fuge should be 4 to 6 times the tank size per hour. That would put the flow rate for my 90 at 360 to 540 gph. The Mag 9.5 is rated at 800 gph with a 4" height.

It worked. The rising and falling in the overflow has stopped and the fuge is a lot quieter. The bubbles were also reduced. I also turned the drain hose to a point where it helped even more.

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I treaked the ball valve so it's about 33% closed which hopefully puts the flow rate just shy of 540. I hope this is correct.

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I'm going to let it run over night to make sure everything works OK. Tomorrow I will drain the tank and wait for my lights to arrive which is suppose to be Tuesday.

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Time to relax and do some more research.

The next update will probably be next weekend unless I can find time during the week to install the RO/DI.

[ibmgeek]

Everything looks great but,that skimmer looks a little small for a 90.Just my opinion dont know the specs on it.

[Dano999]

I thought so to. Below is the response from CPR who makes this fuge.

"The AquaFuge Pro Small has a six inch skimmer column that can efficiently skim tanks up to 100 gallons."

I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[Dano999]

Day 5 & 6

Drained the tank and ordered some additional items.

1. Smaller clip on fans to cool VHOs
2. Moon lights
3. Mag Drive Water Pump 250 GPH and 40' of 1/2 tubing (for large water changes)
4. Maxi-Jet 400 Power Head (for salt water mixing)
5. Aqua Controller Jr. w/ Lab Grade pH & Temp Probe & Direct Connect 8

Contacted electrician to install a dedicated GFCI with four outlets. Due to the 100 plus temperature and probably 130 in the attic this may be postponed until next week.

The RO/DI is suppose to arrive today.

[Dano999]

Day 6

Installed the RO/DI system this evening. Piece of cake.

I hooked it up in the laundry room using the washing machine outlet and drain.

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Finished. I just have to adjust the tubing length and use some connectors to clean up the installation.

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Tomorrow my lights are suppose to arrive. I'm going to the Rush concert tomorrow night so I hope they get here before I have to leave.

[cabbage0709]

Hells yeah. Rush. Im seeing them on the 26th here in Indy.

[Dano999]

I saw their first concert tour in 1974 at the Shrine Auditorium in L.A. They were the opening band and I can't remember who they opened for. All I remember is they blew the other bands away.

It's been 33 years and I can't wait to see them again.

[Mavrk]

Shoot, I just ordered the same RO/DI unit and forgot to get the Y hose adapter, and the hose to 1/4" adapter thing. Maybe I can still get those without being charged a new shipping fee. Thanks for the visuals, I completely forgot about those items.

[Dano999]

You can pick up the Y adapter at Home Depot. I am not sure about the 1/4" reducer. They ship pretty quick so I would call them to see if can be added.

It took about 30 minutes to install and test. If you haven't used the quick fittings before they can be a bit tricky until you do it once. On the top where the hose goes in is a ring that is used to remove the hose. It can be white or gray. Pull up on the ring and the hose removes easily. To reinstall just push the hose in. The pressure switch has a plug installed that removes the same way.


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[ReefNewb77]

Hay Dano,

Very nice setup so far. I'll be tagging along to see your progess.

One suggestion, I'm not sure if it is because your not completely done yet but I would mount your power strip to the inside of your cabinet in case you get any water that drips down your line. You don't want that thing to get wet.

[Dano999]

Thanks

I am installing a Aqua Controller Jr. & Direct Connect 8 which will be mounted outside on the back of the stand.

I also am planning to add a 2 or 4 outlet (depending on price) with GFCI to a dedicated breaker on the wall behind the tank. I discovered my 15 A breaker for this tank will be the same as my home theater and according to the specs the plasma draws 700 W by itself. That sure seems high. It also goes to my garage door opener. If I can get a 20 A breaker installed that may also be sufficient. I have 14 gauge wires installed but I don't know enough to tell. The electrician's coming over tomorrow so I'll ask.

[Mavrk]

Very cool. I just rigged mine up with some GFCI outlets. I feel much safer now. The Aqual Controller Jr. should be great. Let us know how it all works out.

Oh, I contacted the filter guys and they put in the other additions without charging extra for the shipping. They are very nice and fast to respond.

It should be here next week. I plan on putting it on the washing machine like you did.

[brucesly]

Sorry if someone has replied this or you know already. I STRONGLY recommend that you mount your sixplug outlet on the cabinet wall. Don't just let it sit there on the ground because if you should ever have a leak... Saltwater and electricity is not a good combination. Potential fire hazzard! You have such a nice house, I wouldn't want to see it up in smoke for something as simple as that. And why not get yourself a GFCI while your at it.

Just my penny and a half. BTW sweet setup though.

(DUH! I tried to delete this post, didnt see the second page and thats why I'm a noob... thank you very much):confused: :p :eek:

[Dano999]

No Problem. I knew I would get some posts in reference to the location of the power strip. It was only used to perform the test run.

[Dano999]

Day 7

My 48" x 6 IceCap VHO retrofit kit arrived today.

[Dano999]

Day 8

Today I installed the dedicated 20 amp GFI.

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I also ordered two 15 gallon Tamco Polyethylene Tanks with Covers. They measure 14" x 27" and have 1/2 gal increment markings. They will be used for the auto top off and water changing storage.

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[Mavrk]

Wow, things are really coming along. Good luck with the lights, I just did those a few days ago.

[db_triggerfish]

Nice thread, i should be setting my in the next few weeks, i am learning here. I like the AGA Classic Mission Cherry stand and canopy a lot i almost got it,but didn't like the very soft particle board under the veneer or laminate not sure what it is. At a local Petco they have one on display and the particle board bubbled up from water damage. I will show my carpenter your detailed pictures of the canopy so he has an idea of what i want for my caonpy. He has never done a fish tank so he has no clue. But he does nice work and cheap, he completed my entertainment center which will match the reef tank, since they are going on the same wall. Thanks again for posting you may have save me some pain when you mention the power draw of your plasma, i will check my out. It is going on the same line as my tank, and i too already got 2 x IC 660.

[Island1Day]

nice setup! makes my 90 look like crap!!!!

[jasondon]

Looks great, will be following along on this one for sure. Keep the pics coming and good luck!

[Dano999]

Day 10

I was out of town a couple of days and came home to of bunch of packages for this tank project. I don't know what they are yet but it kind of feels like Christmas only more expensive.

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I want to install the lights this weekend so I hope my fans are in one of these boxes.

[McLovin]

looking forward to the new light setup

[marshman]

cant wait to see it done!

[Dano999]

Day 11

I started today applying black backing to the tank. I used a product called Water Colors. It went on real easy and time will tell if it lasts.

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[Dano999]

Day 11 LIGHTS

The main project for today was to install lights on the canopy. I purchased the 48" 6x54W SLR T5 Very High-Output Retrofit Kit w/ Bulbs. Not quite sure how this was going to go since I haven't seen any detailed installation threads. I tried to capture most of the progress.

Tools needed not included with kit

Flat head screw driver
Phillips Screw driver
Wire strippers and cutters
Scratch Awl
electrical tape
16 - 9 X 3/4" wood screws
24 - 8 X 1" wood screws
12 - 8 X 5/8' wood screws
12 - 1/2 " cable clamps
10' of 3/8" Split wire loom tubing
optional moon lights

First thing was to see what was included. Everything seemed to be there including the candy that comes with each order from Reef Geek.

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This one had tootsie rolls. I guess this is to keep up your energy since this project lasted most of the day. A six pack would have done just as well.

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At his point I went to ACE hardware and picked up the non included items listed above. I also stopped off for a six pack for when the job was done.

The first thing to do is remove the coating from the reflectors.

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Next install lamp clips. I slightly adjusted the metal flaps so the opening was just big enough to allow the screw to screw into the hole. Then attach the nut and tighten down. This made sure the final product was flat and even.

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Next I placed the end caps with the bulbs in the canopy to see how it would fit. After aligning all the main canopy end caps I marked each position with an scratch awl through the screw holes.

Make the ends slightly less than 47" apart (not the holes). 47" will barely make connections when installing the bulbs.

Also the end caps connect to the standoffs with either the short end or long end pointing out away from the bulbs. I chose the short end because I was limited to 47".

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Next I installed Moon Lights. I used the Current USA Lunar Light: Nocturnal Blue Moon Light and Lunar links. I forgot the main light when I placed my order and only received the links as in the picture. When the Main Lunar light comes next week I will then add it to the canopy.

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to be continued

[Dano999]

Day 11 Lights continued

Next I wired up each end cap for the main canopy and the lid. Only thing to look out for is to pay close attention to the wiring diagram and cut your wire to the right lengths. Remember to give some room for the lid when the canopy opens.

I put the two bulbs from 430 ballast on the front and back. These will be used for Dawn and Dusk. The middle four are installed on the 660 ballast which will be used for mid day.

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I then installed the ballasts to the rear of the canopy. If you have one of these canopies be careful of the center support as it's breaks easily. I used a 5/8" wood screw to fix the area that weakened but it probably won't last. I am doubtful the support is really needed.

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After completing the wiring I used the loom tubing and cable clamps to secure the wiring. Anyone else would have probably tested before they did this. :)

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I finished the remaining wires with some electrical tape.

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Next I installed the bulbs, reflectors and end caps. Making sure the bulbs were seated properly. Hold the bulbs as you screw on the end cap to make sure it does not turn.

The bulbs used are as follows:

Front
UVL Super Actinic
ATI Aquablue
UVL Aquasun
ATI Blue Plus
UVL Aquablue
ATI Blue Plus


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At this point I was ready to test so I plugged in the 430 ballast first and YES LIGHTS. I then plugged in the 660 ballast and "CRAP" the ballast shut down immediately. OK so this is where I said anyone else would of tested first.

Now came some trouble shooting. Since I checked the wiring twice before I finished I was thinking it was a defective bulb. When observing the bulbs as soon as I plugged in the ballast I noticed all but one bulb would come on before shutting down. I just so happened to have a spare bulb although not right one for the one I replaced. I replaced the bulb and tested again. and "LIGHTS".

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to be continued

[Dano999]

Day 11 Lights Continued

Amazingly I was still able to lift the canopy by myself and place it on the tank.

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Finally finished and now it's time for a beer or three.

Total time for this project was six hours including the trip to ACE hardware and a quick lunch.

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Next project FANS!!!

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[Dano999]

I noticed a typo when discussing troubleshooting. The statement should be:

Now came some trouble shooting. Since I checked the wiring twice before I finished I was thinking it was a defective bulb. When observing the bulbs as soon as I plugged in the ballast I noticed all but one bulb would "NOT" come on before shutting down.

[barngeatbayman]

what kind of fasteners did you use on your plastic wire channels. Great job wiring you gave me some ideas. Keep up the pictures, this is a ver well planned out aquarium!!

[Dano999]

I used 1/2 " cable clamps I purchased from Ace Hardware. They were right next to the loom tubing. I used a #8 by 5/8" wood screws to fasten them but #9s would of been better.

I also used electrical tape every 3 or 4 inches to hold the loom tubing closed


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[Dano999]

Day 14

Ok although I said the next project was fans I still have not received them so I am moving on.

I ordered the Live Rock this morning. I got 115 lb of Kaeleni from Premium Aquatics. It should go out tomorrow so I have a lot of stuff to finish today.

First thing today was to install an auto top off. I picked up two 15 gallon square polyethylene tanks and one will be used for the top off reservoir.

The first thing to do was to install the float valve in the fuge. First of course I needed to drill a hole in my fuge.

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Then I installed the float valve in the sump area.

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I needed to make sure I had clearance to remove the pump in the future.

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I installed a short piece of ¼ “ hose and a ball valve.

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Since I have my study in the room behind the tank I decided to use it for the reservoir. I ran a hose through the wall and placed the reservoir so it was higher than the sump area. I then installed a float valve in the reservoir. This will be used when filling the reservoir from the RO/DI. Initially I will just connect a hose when needed to fill the reservoir (probably once a week) but I may run a permanent hose through the attic in the future. I will have to test it first.

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Using just gravity feed the system works fine.

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[Dano999]

Day 14 Continued

Next I installed the Aqua Controller Jr. Again I ran all the lines into the study and mounted the main control unit on the wall where I can easily see the status. I mounted the Direct Connect 8 high up on the stand and made sure I could access each connection from either side of the tank.

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After cleaning up all the wiring with wire ties and checking to make sure I had everything hooked up. I decided I was finished so I put the Aragonite in the tank.

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For the next 24 hours I will be filling the tank with water from the RO/DI

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[barngeatbayman]

comming together nice!!!

[payyourtoll]

awesome job with pictures and thanks for explaining each step thoroughly. this is a big help!

[marshman]

nicely done:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ga_reefer_guy]

Great thread!!!

Thanks for documenting how to hook-up the t5 it's something I was curious about but never seen it documented step by step.

Gerard

[michaeljames]

Looking great! nice & neat

[khoivo1]

what is that ice cap ballast model?? icecap660?
so 6bulbs it come with 2 ballasts?
i seen you have two blue bulb out side,,so those 4bulb is 50/50
or some thing else?? or just daylight,,
i look at webside where you get it from but not sure which,,,thanks alot

[Dano999]

I have the end two bulbs on a 430 ballast being used for Dawn and Dusk. The middle four bulbs are on a 660 and are for Mid Day.

The bulbs used are the following:

Front
UVL Super Actinic - 430
UVL Aquablue - 660
UVL Aquasun - 600
ATI Blue Plus -660
UVL Aquablue - 660
ATI Blue Plus - 430

The six bulb kit is sold with these two ballasts.

http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5_Fluorescent/IceCap/SLR_Retrofit_Kits/48_inch__6x54W_SLR_T5_Very_High-Output_Retrofit_Kit_w!_Bulbs_by_IceCap

[Dano999]

Day 15

With everything complete and the Live Rock ordered it's time to fill the tank.

At this point I started adding salt and used the Hydor Koralias to circulate the water.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Salt_1-med.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691salt_2-med.jpg

The tank completed filling in 21 hours from the RO/DI.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691tank_full_1-med.jpg

After I finished with the tank I moved the RO/DI hose to the top off reservoir. This will be a good opportunity to make sure the float valve works. When the reservoir is full I will turn the RO/DI unit off. I have no need to keep it connected.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691reservoir_1-med.jpg

A final check and everything is working. I checked the auto top off again to make sure it was still working and let the top off reservoir reservoir fill up the remaining space.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691fuge_1-med.jpg

I programmed the Aqua Controller during the time I was waiting for the tank to fill. After looking at all the devices connected to the tank and what I wanted to do I decided to purchase another Direct Connect 8 which will now allow me to control up to 16 different devices. I now need to decide where to put it.

Still waiting on my fans. Looks like I am going to make a trip to Fry's and use the fans I ordered somewhere else. I'll give until the weekend.

[tigga07]

Nice Tank!

[theop]

Nice tank!

The ACjr will only control 12 devices. You can add another DC8 but will be able to use only 4 of the outlets. You could also get a DC4 or DC4HD.

[Dano999]

Thanks for the info.

Their literature states to use another DC-8 and in fact says you can daisy chain more. Is this just a limitation to the jr.? If I had know I would have gotten the DC-4 and saved some money.

[Dano999]

I just went to the Neptune site and confirmed you are right about only being able to use the DC-4 or DC-4HD. The vendor's info is wrong as it states the following.

- Up to 5 DC8s can be daisy chained together for up to 40 switched outlets.

I probably only need four and the regular DC-4 would work.

Hopefully I can get this changed. Good thing I used American Express.:)

[theop]

Neptune has a forum here if you have any specific questions for them.

[nick540]

looking very nice!

[gopherspidey]

How much Aragonite did the tank need?

[Dano999]

I put in 90 lbs.

[hmello@bermexin]

Beautiful...............

[Dano999]

Ok just for fun I am putting the Aqua Controller programming below. This assumes a DC-8 and a DC-4.

DC-8
Output 1 PM1% Main Pump
Output 2 PM2% Skimmer
Output 3 LT3* Sump Light 1
Output 4 LT1* Dawn Dusk Lamp
Output 5 PM3_ Powerhead Right
Output 6 PM4_ Powerhead Left
Output 7 LT4* Sump Light 2
Output 8 LT2* Mid Day Light

DC-4
Output 9 MON* Moon Light
Output 10 HET^ Heater
Output 11 FN1. Fan group 1
Output 12 FN2. Fan group 2

LT1
IF Time > 10:59 Then LT1* ON
IF Time > 22:59 Then LT1* OFF
IF Temp > 83.0 Then LT1 OFF
Max Change 010 M Then LT1 OFF
LT2
IF Time > 11:59 Then LT2* ON
IF Time > 21:59 Then LT2* OFF
LT3
IF LT1* OFF Then LT3* ON
IF LT1* ON Then LT3* OFF
LT4
IF LT1* OFF Then LT4* ON
IF LT1* ON Then LT4* OFF
MON
IF Moon 000/000 Then MON* ON
PM1
IF Time >00:00 Then PM1% ON
FEED
IF FeedA 000 Then PM1% OFF
PM2
IF Time >00:00 Then PM2% ON
PM3
IF Time > 00:00 Then PM1% OFF
IF Time > 06:00 Then PM1% ON
IF Time > 12:00 Then PM1% OFF
IF Time > 18:00 Then PM1% ON
FEED
IF FeedA 005 Then PM3% OFF
PM4
IF Time > 00:00 Then PM2% ON
IF Time > 06:00 Then PM2% OFF
IF Time > 12:00 Then PM2% ON
IF Time > 18:00 Then PM2% OFF
FEED
IF FeedA 005 Then PM4% OFF
HET
IF Temp < 79.7 Then HET^ ON
IF Temp > 80.0 Then HET^ OFF
FN1
IF Timer LT1 = ON Then FN1 ON
IF Timer LT1 = OFF Then FN1 OFF
FN2
IF Temp > 82.0 Then FN2. ON
Max Change 010 M Then FN2 ON
:confused:

[chinzman93]

Great thread and very nice tank!

[Mavrk]

Great job!

By the way, my RO/DI unit produces a gallon every 16 minutes (at around 58 PSI). I did end up with the same unit you did.

Hmm, 21 hours would be 78.75 gallons for me... I bet your production rate is faster.

Looking good. Now all you need is live rock and you can start waiting.

[Dano999]

21 hours included the sump too. Taking into consideration displacement for the sand I would estimate 4.8 gal per hour at 60 PSI.

The water temp has something to do with it. The warmer the water the faster the rate. But hot water will destroy the membrane.

Live Rock comes today. It is suppose to be in at 11:00 AM.

[zibba]

Just found your thread. I'm tagging along. I just set up my first saltwater in June (same tank as yours).

I think you will be happy with your t5 set up...I have mh set up and it's been a struggle this summer to control the temp. Fan's have been my best friend.

You mentioned that you were having some problems with "water fall" noise. I would check out "Herbie's Method" or the Ultra Quiet reef tank thread. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=344892

I did this shortly after setting up the tank in my bedroom and could not happier with the results. Literally silent overflow. I hear only slight hum from skimmer and return pumps.


Given any thoughts to livestock yet? or refugium?

Keep up the great work with this thread.

- Z

[Dano999]

Z

I got rid of the waterfall noise. The return pump was exceeding the drain capability. I installed a ball valve to reduce the flow.

The sump has a built in fuge.

Haven't decided on live stock yet.

[zibba]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10618288#post10618288 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999


The sump has a built in fuge.



I saw the light under the tank after I posted...looks nice.

Glad to hear you got rid of the noise.

I'll be looking forward to the rest of your build. :D

[Dano999]

Day 16: Live Rock

Today I picked up my Live Rock. I got 115 lbs of cured Kaeleni from Premium Aquatics. I got four large pieces. Lots of color and very little die off.

I siphoned some of the water into a 17 gal tub and used this to rinse off the Live Rock.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Drain_some-med.jpg

The Live rock cam in two boxes that were well insolated.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Live_rock_1-med.jpg

I got four very large pieces with some good color. There was very little odor. I hope it stays that way.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Live_Rock_3-med.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Live_Rock_4-med.jpg

I put all the pieces into the tank. This is not yet aquascaped. I may pick up some small base rock if I need to use for support. Comments are welcome.

I guessed pretty well on how much to syphon. I was only off by about 1/2 gallon.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Aquascape_Not-med.jpg

I got a Chiton hitch hiker. He's about 4 to 5" long. My tanks first inhabitant.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Hitch_Hiker-med.jpg

My fans finally arrived. I'm going to finish off the moon lights and install the fans while the canopy is off.

[Thinslis]

Just MHO, I would have gone with maybe only 2 or 3 large pieces and left more lbs for small pieces to prop up and otherwise decorate with, the 4 large seem to really dominate the space in the tank. but again, just MHO Really enjoy following your build.

[bower23]

Nice thread. Thanks for sharing. I'm currently working on upgrading my 72g to a 90g so your info is very helpful. My setup will be almost the exact same thing but only 4 t5's with 250w mh. Hope it works!

[thekillerclownf]

True with those large rocks dominateing the tank, but with a drill and masonary bit he can easily fracture them into some intresting shapes to make them smaller.
I've done it a few times with large pieces and it came out well. He won't have to buy anymore rock that way as well.

[Thinslis]

Thekillerclownf: ture, I'm not familar with the site he ordered them from but if he paid a premium for large rock, he may be reluctant to slice one or two up. Maybe trade them in with a LFS for some smaller pieces for the same preimum he paid. Again if a premium was paid otherwise I would cut one up, maybe two. Make some really nice rock structures and still have lots of flat space for corals (maybe even more flat space)

[Dano999]

Actually I did not pay a premium at all. I paid $4.99 a lb for 115 lbs with $75 shipping. It was shipped last night at 7:00 PM central and I had it in the tank by 3:30 PM today.

I agree I can always cut one or two up. Probably the one on the left since it did not have too many interesting shapes.

I asked for a few big pieces but did not expect all four to be 25 to 30 lbs apiece. It's better than having 115 lbs of all small pieces. The only rubble I had were six quarter size pieces.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691aquascape_2-med.jpg

And quit bursting my bubble. :D My fault because I did ask for comments.

[Thinslis]

Instead of cutting it up, I would go talk to a LFS who as a decent selection of LR and see if they would be willing to make a deal. Most places would charge a primiem fo large pieces. The reason I suggest this is because if you can cherry pick some nice pices from the LFS they will be of a more "natural" shape giving you more options for aquascaping.

[thekillerclownf]

all good points, but if his LFS is anything like mine they might give him credit at less than 4.00 a pound.
if hes lucky he'll get equal weight in trade pound for pound.
but i suggested fragging itto save cash for livestock...I'm snsible like that..sometimes at least! LOL

[hmello@bermexin]

I like it. I think you may be able to fool around with it a bit and get a more open layout. then you can add some smaller pcs. if you wish. Remember that some of the frags you are going to buy in the future will be attached to rocks themselves and will add to you aquascape.
Here is some chiton information. your doe not look like one to me but maybe a sea cucumber?
http://www.seaslugforum.net/factsheet.cfm?base=chitons

[Dano999]

Thanks

I did some rearranging and I indeed made some more room. It's too clouding too see right now but I will post some pics later.

It is a Chiton because it has a segmented shelled back. There are 100s of different kinds.

http://home.inreach.com/burghart/

[hmello@bermexin]

Okay. But it is one ugly pc. of slug flesh isn't it???????????????

[Dano999]

I never said it was pretty but it eats algae. It looks like a big bug. :) It's all curled up in the picture.

With the rearranging I have no idea where it is now.

[hmello@bermexin]

Are they safe? I have not done any research on them.

[Dano999]

I was told they were. Not something you would buy but good for the tank. I may put him in the fuge if I can ever find him again.

[Dano999]

Day 16 Part 2

While I had the canopy off I completed the moon lights and installed some fans.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691moon_lights-med.jpg

I used two cup hooks for each of the two fans. This was so simple and much better than drilling holes in the canopy since even the cup hooks caused a small split in the veneer.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691fan_1a-med.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691fan_2a-med.jpg

The tank is still too cloudy to see anything so I'll post more pics tomorrow.

[Dano999]

Ok if there was any doubt about my hitch hiker check out this link and compare. Remember mine is rolled up. I would do the same thing after 20 hours of travel.

The one in my tank is 4 to 5 inches. He's still ugly though.

Chiton ID (http://www.seaslugforum.net/display.cfm?id=8502)

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691chiton_1.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Hitch_Hiker-med.jpg

[Mavrk]

Well done. I like how you hung the fans (I have the same stand and canopy in maple). I was thinking of getting a couple computer fans with the blue LCDs in them and using this as both fans and moon lighting. But I was trying to figure out the best way to hang them. Seems simple to me now.

Keep it up.

[michaeljames]

tank is looking good dano, good thinking with the fans! i'm going to do the same when I get out of work!

[khoivo1]

i have the same size 90g with acrylic canopy,,,i am looking to get those light like your t5 but not sure how hot is it since i got enclose acrylic canopy,,,i have two 4" fans in the back,,,did you try to turn all light on in full 12 hrs?? how hot is it?? do you think my acrylic canopy will be fine or should i cut out top of canopy to open more air,,,anything would help thanks

[Dano999]

I am running it today for the first time for 12 hours. I'll take a temp measurement after a few hours and let you know.

[khoivo1]

what does Aqua Controller Jr do?? i assume it like turn off and on power ,,,am i right??
what is your sand?? live sand?

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10624686#post10624686 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by khoivo1
i have the same size 90g with acrylic canopy,,,i am looking to get those light like your t5 but not sure how hot is it since i got enclose acrylic canopy,,,i have two 4" fans in the back,,,did you try to turn all light on in full 12 hrs?? how hot is it?? do you think my acrylic canopy will be fine or should i cut out top of canopy to open more air,,,anything would help thanks


The temperature with the fans right below the lights was 100 degrees. My tank is still at 76. The surface of the inside of the canopy was barely warm.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10626475#post10626475 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by khoivo1
what does Aqua Controller Jr do?? i assume it like turn off and on power ,,,am i right??
what is your sand?? live sand?

It provides a number of different controls for up to 12 outlets when using the DC-8 and DC-4 outlets. It also monitors temperature and PH levels and can control various items like turning on and off fans, heaters, chillers, lights and so on.

More info is at the Neptune sight Neptune Systems (http://www.neptunesys.com/) or look under Neptune Systems in the Sponsor Forum.

I am using Carib Sea Aragonite.

[Dano999]

Day 17

After many hours of arranging an rearranging this about as good as I could get it. There are two "tunnels" one on each side of the center piece.

My fingers are sore even though I wore a pair of aquagloves. The backs not doing too good either.

It's still real cloudy from all the moving around.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691as_11-med.jpg

[barngeatbayman]

I like it, though I think you could use some more rock IMO.

[Dano999]

Thanks

I'm going to get some smaller pieces to accent. Four 30 lb pieces were hard to arrange.

[Linkblaze]

I like it too, at least to my noob eyes...when I start setting up my tank I'm definetly going to make sure I start with a couple of large pieces like this. I've been lurking on this thread a lot since stumbling on on this website and deciding to set up my own tank. The pictures have been a big help and I've been using this thread as sort of my "basis" for determing which topics I need to learn more on.

You're definetly providing a real service to at least one newbie. Bravo, and keep up the great work.

[Linkblaze]

Also, Dano if you would mind posting a picture of how you mounted your moonlights. Your pics for lighting set up are excellent, but not totally sure where exactly your moonlights went.

Thanks

[thekillerclownf]

looks good. you used those monster pieces to good results. plenty of space for coals and frags to be mounted, yet still room to add those cherry picked pieces of rock we all find and buy along the way.

great build so far, can't wait to see how you stock it.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10630189#post10630189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Linkblaze
Also, Dano if you would mind posting a picture of how you mounted your moonlights. Your pics for lighting set up are excellent, but not totally sure where exactly your moonlights went.

Thanks \

On the pictures below you can see the moon lights. They are on the edge canopy door in between lights 2 nd 3. They are not yet wired on picture 1 but were completed on picture 3.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Lights_wiring_6-med.JPG

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Salt_1-med.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691moon_lights-med.jpg

[Dano999]

Day 18

The tank has settled down and is a lot clearer.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Clearer_1-med.jpg

I am doing some temperature tests to see how much the lights heat up the tank. Yesterday the tank got to 81.6 degrees and over night dropped to 76.

I added one of the clip on fans (finally found use for them) to blow into the sump area over the return to see if that decreases the temperature. It is fairly noisy. If this doesn't help I am going to replace the 80mm fans with Vantec Stealth 120mm fans. They put out twice the CFM (53 vs 23) with only 28 dBA.

Current readings

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 1.0
PH - 8.0
Salinity - 1.024
Temperature - 76.2 ( before lights go in)

[msn711]

Nice build you got going. I'm upgrading to a 120...tagging along. I might have missed it, but what are your stocking plans?

[Nitroq2]

Looks great, just going to tag along if you dont mind

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10632037#post10632037 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by msn711
Nice build you got going. I'm upgrading to a 120...tagging along. I might have missed it, but what are your stocking plans?

I haven't decided but I would like mostly sps with a few clams. As for fish no clue yet I am still researching.

[Mavrk]

dano-
Just so you have a point of reference, my T5's heat my water up a good 3-4 degrees without fans. I do not have the icecap VHO setup like you, so they don't run as hot as yours will. I do have the icecap reflectors though. I think you might want to go with the 120's. By the way, larger fans are usually quieter anyway, but the stealths are nice.

One quick question. Are those two Koralia 4's you have? I have one in my 90 and am thinking of getting a K1 or K2. How does the flow look?

[Dano999]

The max temperature today was 79.5 that's with the house a/c set at 76. Not too bad. The 6" clip on fan blowing on the return area helped. I put the a/c back at 78 and will test again tomorrow.

I think I'll go with the 120s regardless as I want to keep the end caps cool on my t5s. The 80s I have don't seem to be putting out much. At least I know I can keep the tank below 80 during the hottest month of the year.

Those are the Koralia 4s. They are awesome. I currently have them hooked up to the AC jr. and they alternate on and off between each other every 6 hours. Look at the PM3 and PM4 programming I posted. Although I noticed a error it should have read "IF Time > 00:00 Then PM3% OFF... and so on " the PM#s should match the PM3 and PM4 numbers. Not sure I'll keep it this way yet. I might keep both going full time to increase the overall flow.

[Bluey101]

Dano...Tank looks great I can't wait to see it when you are done..

[Mavrk]

Ah, air conditioning. I miss having that.

[Dano999]

Day 19

Everything looks good and the first new signs of life appeared.

Sorry for the poor photo my camera does not have manual focus and the glass interferes.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691life-med.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 2.0
PH - 8.2
Ca - 580
Phosphates - 0.0
Salinity - 1.024
Temperature - 79.4

[Dano999]

Here's a few pictures from the side.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_19_side_2-med.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_19_side_1-med.jpg

[Nano Chris]

Looks good, you made some progress since i last read your thread. :D

[khoivo1]

where did you get your refugium at ? what size ?? look so clean and pro,,,,well build,, i am looking for one,,,let me know asap thanks

[Dano999]

It's a Aquafuge Pro (Small). It's made by CPR Aquatics. They have a larger model also. It has a built in skimmer that I have some doubt it will be sufficient although they claim it will handle up to 100 gal. The skimmer column is only 4".

It can be found at most on line stores. I bought mine locally and would have probably chosen something else if I had researched more. It is convenient but a bit noisy. Most or all of the noise is coming from the skimmer. Around 60 dBA at 1 ft.

I had to modify it (mod was on the CPR site forum) to get the skimmer to produce more bubbles and reduce some of the noise. Since I don't have much or any bio load yet I can't tell you if it works well.

With the two optional lights they run close to $500. Very expensive if I have to add an additional skimmer. It does appear to be well built. I have researched on this forum for any comments and most seem to come from people who don't own it.

I believe they also make a fuge without the skimmer.

[Dano999]

Day 20

I went looking for some cherry pieces of Live Rock yesterday and could not find anything local. I tried on-line last night and thought I found some only to find out they only had pieces 18" and larger available. Well I am stuck as where to look now as I am concerned about paying another couple hundred bucks without knowing if the pieces will be what I want.

If anyone has had a good experience buying on-line please let me know.

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 1.0
PH - 8.2
Ca - 580
Phosphates - 0.0
Salinity - 1.024
Temperature - 78.5

[Thinslis]

I've been getting mine from local reefers, so far I've got about 110lbs for $150. Check out your local reef clubs, they are a source from some really good deals.

[Linkblaze]

Dano, I like what you've done with the gravity fed float valve and I'd like to do a similar set up on my system. However, I notice that the manufacturer says they do not recommend this product for topping off purposes in an aquarium...in fact all commercial float valves using a purely gravity driven system say they are not for topping off aquariums. What's the deal? I'd really like to minimize the number of power cords I've got running all over the place and this type of system looks like it would work real nice to me.

[Dano999]

It maybe they just don't want liability. Any power driven system can also fail. It has been working fine so far. I will check it periodically to make sure it keeps working.

[barngeatbayman]

Dano PM sent

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10644430#post10644430 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thinslis
I've been getting mine from local reefers, so far I've got about 110lbs for $150. Check out your local reef clubs, they are a source from some really good deals.

Ok I picked up 40 lbs from a local reefer and used maybe 30 lbs. I'll post some pics (although cloudy) to get some comments.

I also added Miracle Mud to the fuge today so this made it even more cloudy.

The skimmer sure started to kick in after adding the additional LR. I have two real nice pieces left that were just to big to make them fit. I'll be selling them soon if this aquascape works out.

[Thinslis]

Put your unused LR pieces in your sump / fuge =) Same effect, you just don't see it =)

[Dano999]

I have some small pieces in the fuge. These are 12" each. I may break them up or wait until the cloud clears and do some more rearranging to see if I can come up with a better aquascape.

[Dano999]

,

[Dano999]

Day 21

As I mentioned I bought some additional LR from a local reefer and spent some time last night aquascaping. Below are the results.

It's pretty sturdy but I'm going to use some epoxy on a few of the pieces just to make sure.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_21_front-med.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 2.5
PH - 8.2
Ca - 500
Phosphates - 0.0
Salinity - 1.023
Temperature - 78.6

[Mavrk]

That looks much better. Looking really good!

[moo0o]

hey dano,


how many pounds of live sand do you have in your tank?

[Dano999]

No live sand. I have 90 lbs of Aragonite.

[moo0o]

cool, would you say its about an average of 1-2inches deep?

[Dano999]

It's close to 2" deep.

[PatMayo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10520752#post10520752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I have 90 lbs of sand which I believe puts it at 2".

The RO/DI doesn't come with a reserve tank. I am still deciding what to use. It will depend on where I install the RO/DI. I was thinking about the laundry room and tapping into the washing machine faucet with a brass Y adapter and shut off valve. This way I could also use the drain for the waste water. I need two 15 gallon food grade containers for the reserve. I want to use one for the top off water and the other for mixing for changes. I will be searching locally for the containers as the ones I found online have shipping costs higher than the cost of the container.

If my math is right it only puts out 6.6 oz per minute. The have 150 gpd units.

If you have the space you will be much happier with 45 gallon brute containers rather than 15 gallon. It's a lot less work in the long run. Especially for the pre-made salt water.

Very nice tank. You may, depending on bio load have to upgrade to a better skimmer. There are lots of choices. Do you have enough room in the sump to house a ER or some other type?

Regards.

Pat

[Dano999]

I have a 65 gal brute trash can. The 17 gals are for auto top off and 10% water changes.

I agree with you on the skimmer. Some of my previous posts discuss this.

There might not be enough room in the sump for an in-sump skimmer unless the pump goes external. I have already considered I will need to upgrade and may have to go external with the skimmer.

[Dano999]

Day 22

I found this guy crawling around today. It's about 3/8".

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691critter_1.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.5
PH - 8.0
Temperature - 78.8

[rsw686]

On the AquaController Jr. be careful as I've had the temp probe fail, along with others. It happened while I was on vacation and lucky I had a network camera pointed at the tank so I was able to have somebody stop in and manually hook up the lights and heaters. When the temp probe fails it will report a temperature of 122 or so.

To safeguard yourself from this happening in what I recommend and have done is set mine to to turn the heaters on and the cooling fans off if the temp goes above 100. I have the heaters built in thermostat set to a few degrees above what the AC Jr. normally keeps the tank at. Also don't have all your lights shut off for a high temp problem. That way if the probe fails some lights will still come on.

Checkout the Neptune Systems forum for more information on the failures. Mine was only two weeks old when it failed. I've also heard of the DC8 failing as well so I don't have my return pump on the controller either.

Don't get me wrong the AC Jr is a great product. Its just that you should have failsafe in place should something happen. If you read the Digital Aquatics forum for the ReefKeeper II they have issues as well. I've read of temp failures and they have a bug where you have to set one outlet to always on or you risk outlets not turning off.

[Dano999]

Good info thanks.

I guess with not hooking up the return to the DC-8 it defeats the feed function. Since I travel some for my job an auto feeder will be required and the return needs to be shut off during this time.

I only have two of the six lights set up to turn off if it gets too hot. I was also going to put a backup heater in the tank and run it manually set a couple of degrees cooler than the one run from the DC-8.

The DC-8 issue has me concerned since the AC jr. is just a temp and PH probe without it.

I also have a DC-4 going to be hooked up soon.

[Dano999]

Day 23

Not much to report. I am seeing a little diatom but not much. I still have not seen an ammonia spike and Nitrites are 0 with very low Nitrates.

I calibrated the PH probe on the AC jr and it indicates my PH is a little low. I will be adding a PH buffer over the next few days.

The DC-4 is due today so I'll be able to finish all the connections and programming.

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.7
PH - 7.84
Ca - 580
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 10.2
Sal - 1.024
Temp - 79.6

[nickterp]

Dano,
Here's a funny coincidence, I've started up a 90g as well and yesterday I found crawling on my glass almost exactly the same tiny starfish looking thing. It was white on the underside also, only difference is a few of its arms were much shorter than the others, looked kind of like it was regenerating. If its still on the glass somewhere when I get home I'll take a picture and post it here.

[rsw686]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10661112#post10661112 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I guess with not hooking up the return to the DC-8 it defeats the feed function. Since I travel some for my job an auto feeder will be required and the return needs to be shut off during this time.

I leave all the pumps on when I feed. When I go on vacation I use an auto feeder positioned over a feeding ring. You can get a feeding ring for a couple of bucks. The food will stay in the ring until it falls and not be sucked down the overflow.

[Dano999]

Great thanks I'll keep that in mind.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10669333#post10669333 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nickterp
Dano,
Here's a funny coincidence, I've started up a 90g as well and yesterday I found crawling on my glass almost exactly the same tiny starfish looking thing. It was white on the underside also, only difference is a few of its arms were much shorter than the others, looked kind of like it was regenerating. If its still on the glass somewhere when I get home I'll take a picture and post it here.

From what I could find I think it's a six -rayed star (Leptasterias pusilla). Very prominent along the west coast. They feed on gasteropods which may not be a good thing. They don't get any bigger than 2 cm.


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Leptasterias_pusilla.jpg

I also found what I think is another chiton. This one is only 3/8" in size.

[Dano999]

Day 24

I installed the DC-4 today and hooked everything up. I still need one more outlet but I think I can combine the light fans to one DC adapter since they run at the same time.

Added macroalgae to the fuge today.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691macroalgea.jpg

I am also now seeing some green algae. The diatom has not grown any and may be receding some.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691green_algea.jpg

My temperature also went up to 81.9 today which I don't understand why. The only change I have made in the last few days is to add a PH buffer to increase the PH. The dHK also went up to 12.5 which might be caused by the use of the PH buffer. The CO2 level may also be a little high.

I think it's time for a 20% water change and as soon as my relatives leave on Sunday I'll go ahead and do this.

I never did get an ammonia spike and both the ammonia and nitrites have remained at zero.

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.2
PH - 8.01
Ca - 580
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 12.5
Sal - 1.024
Temp - 81.9

[normanfine]

looks real nice like the pics

[Dano999]

Day 26

A lot of green algae.


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_26.jpg

This Bumblebee snail showed up but I think he may need help.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Snail_1.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.0
PH - 8.04
Ca - 580
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 12.2
Sal - 1.024
Temp - 80.5

[Thinslis]

UGH!!!!! I'm trying to read your thread and look at your pictures but I'm blinded by that Avatar! Go Browns!

[mlaper]

very nice setup you got there, i have about the same thing. 90g with the cherry mission style stand and i even have those koralia power heads. i like to see the step by step pics. good luck with your tank! :)

[Dano999]

Day 28

The diatom has stopped growing but the green algae is still there although it's not spreading just growing longer on the areas it covered. No new growth on the glass or other rocks.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_28.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.0
PH - 7.93
Ca - 560
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 11.6
Sal - 1.024
Temp - 79.7

[zibba]

a few snails when your cycle is complete (looks like it has) will clear that right up!

[Dano999]

Yep. I really never had a cycle. The NH4 and NO2 never went above 0. NO4 went up a little and then came down to zero.

I used 120 lbs of cured LR and then added another 30 lbs five days later. I expected some die off to cause a cycle but it looks as if the bacteria was high enough to keep from seeing anything. I'm skimming protein so there is enough in there if it was going to spike. I will take it slow with the bio load just to be safe.

It will be two weeks on Thursday since I added the LR so I was just giving it a little more time. I may order a few today.

There is one snail that hitch hiked and he has been eating a little but he hasn't moved from his spot (not that I can tell) for two days.

[zibba]

I noticed the same "cycle" you had as well. I added about 120 lbs of cured live rock and never noticed an ammonia spike. I skimmed pretty dry during that time and kept the lights off (except for some temperature testing). However, since I wasn't sure I ever actually had the cycle, I waited a month. But it never came. I would say you are ready to add some livestock (let the FUN begin!)....

I know that you have certainly thought about your stocking plans as of now. Keep up the great work on your build thread...it has been fun to watch.

[Dano999]

I have kept the lights on 12/12 which would explain the algae. I also have a light over the fuge 12/12. The skimmer did nothing for a week but has been pulling a lot over the last few days.

I have some ideas for fish and coral stocking but first the clean up crew.

I just ordered the following.

Scarlet Hermit Crab - Qty 6
Nassarius Snail - Qty 6
Cerith Snail - Qty 6
Astreas Snail Qty-6
Peppermint Shrimp Qty -2
Bumblebee Snail Qty -6

[clarkiis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10551880#post10551880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brucesly
Sorry if someone has replied this or you know already. I STRONGLY recommend that you mount your sixplug outlet on the cabinet wall. Don't just let it sit there on the ground because if you should ever have a leak... Saltwater and electricity is not a good combination. Potential fire hazzard! You have such a nice house, I wouldn't want to see it up in smoke for something as simple as that. And why not get yourself a GFCI while your at it.

Just my penny and a half. BTW sweet setup though.

(DUH! I tried to delete this post, didnt see the second page and thats why I'm a noob... thank you very much):confused: :p :eek:

I agree even if your just testing the timer fuction on the power strip, mine was digital timer power strip and left on the floor, went to work and 10 minutes later got a call from home, skimmer overflowed (superskimmer 125) guess sparkes and fire where coming out of the powerstrip like crazy, which was agaisnt the wall at the time. I was very lucky someone was home that morning.

[Dano999]

It was there five minutes while I took a picture. If you read the remaining posts you will see the outlets have been mounted.

Also a GFI has been installed and this would have avoided the problem you had.

[johng723]

I've been reading along and am definitely enjoying reading your progress! I'm glad you posted the steps as I'm looking into getting a larger tank in the near future. Good luck and I'll be sure to tag along!

[vader88]

Great Pics Dano... I'm doing almost the exact same build your are with the exception mine is a wave tank, fuge is a bit bigger and will go halide. I'm praying that I can keep a good temp without a chiller since I'm going with Halides. I'm debating on going with a internal or external pump to cut down on the heat. Leaning towards a Ocean Runner 3500 since they draw more watts, I'm guessing less heat. Oh, the main reason I replied. Are you running the the skimmer that came with the fuge or is a different one ? I'm debating on which skimmer to get but not sure of the dimensions my fuge will accept ( being delivered Thursday ). I'm between a Euro-Reef 135 and Octo 220 .... people are saying same performance for 100 bucks less... if not a problem can you measure the inside length and width of the skimmer department ?

Thanks

[zibba]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10700437#post10700437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I have kept the lights on 12/12 which would explain the algae. I also have a light over the fuge 12/12. The skimmer did nothing for a week but has been pulling a lot over the last few days.

I have some ideas for fish and coral stocking but first the clean up crew.

I just ordered the following.

Scarlet Hermit Crab - Qty 6
Nassarius Snail - Qty 6
Cerith Snail - Qty 6
Astreas Snail Qty-6
Peppermint Shrimp Qty -2
Bumblebee Snail Qty -6

I bumped up my nassarius and am very happy with the results. I added about 20 so far and they are keeping the sand free of most detrius. I'll probably add another 20 in the future. I think you have a good start for your tank, you can always adjust at a later time.

[Mavrk]

Good start. You may want some trochus snails, they are fast and furious at eating the algae.

I need some nassarius snails.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10704331#post10704331 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vader88
Great Pics Dano... I'm doing almost the exact same build your are with the exception mine is a wave tank, fuge is a bit bigger and will go halide. I'm praying that I can keep a good temp without a chiller since I'm going with Halides. I'm debating on going with a internal or external pump to cut down on the heat. Leaning towards a Ocean Runner 3500 since they draw more watts, I'm guessing less heat. Oh, the main reason I replied. Are you running the the skimmer that came with the fuge or is a different one ? I'm debating on which skimmer to get but not sure of the dimensions my fuge will accept ( being delivered Thursday ). I'm between a Euro-Reef 135 and Octo 220 .... people are saying same performance for 100 bucks less... if not a problem can you measure the inside length and width of the skimmer department ?

Thanks

The Aquafuge Pro comes with an internal skimmer which I am currently using. It's seems to be pulling a lot of protein but I think I will need to upgrade in the future. Unfortunately the area in the skimmer compartment is only 4 1/2" wide and 11 1/2 deep (internal). There are also acrylic supports in the skimmer area so it is not completely empty when you remove the skimmer portion. I will probably either add an external skimmer or go with a different fuge with a larger sump area to and a internal skimmer.

Here's a picture of the skimmer in action. I have a drain tube going into a container for the excess.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691skimmer.jpg

The internal pump adds some heat maybe up to 2 degrees. It's OK with my unit as my temp rarely gets above 81. I have a clip on fan blowing on the sump area where the pump is located.

[vader88]

Thanks ALot.....my fuge is being delivered tomorrow and measure 36x16x18. I believe the internal baffles aren't set in place so I can move them to accomadate a larger skimmer ( hopefully ) .... and wow...thats alot of foam

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10705886#post10705886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zibba
I bumped up my nassarius and am very happy with the results. I added about 20 so far and they are keeping the sand free of most detrius. I'll probably add another 20 in the future. I think you have a good start for your tank, you can always adjust at a later time.

Since I didn't want to over load I got $61.00 worth from eTropicals.com. They provide free next day shipping for orders over $60.00 when you choose the "build your own" package.. This way I can add more without paying the additional shipping charge. I priced it out versus other sites and they came out equal to or cheaper.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10707026#post10707026 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vader88
Thanks ALot.....my fuge is being delivered tomorrow and measure 36x16x18. I believe the internal baffles aren't set in place so I can move them to accomadate a larger skimmer ( hopefully ) .... and wow...thats alot of foam

Let me know what you get because as I said I may be upgrading and would like some suggestions from others. I bought this fuge without a lot of research and I may regret it. So far it's ok but if my bio load get too high I will have to change it out. $500 wasted or maybe I can get a few hundred back on the used market. I think it's good for 55 to 75 gal but 90 may be too much.

Most of the foam you see outside the skimmer is from the return into the fuge. It also creates a lot of noise (sounds like a hot tub)and so far I have tried two mods I found on this forum without any change. The problem is the confinements of the skimmer area.

[vader88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10707113#post10707113 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
Let me know what you get because as I said I may be upgrading and would like some suggestions from others. I bought this fuge without a lot of research and I may regret it. So far it's ok but if my bio load get too high I will have to change it out. $500 wasted or maybe I can get a few hundred back on the used market. I think it's good for 55 to 75 gal but 90 maybe too much.

Most of the foam you see outside the skimmer is from the return into the fuge. It also creates a lot of noise (sounds like a hot tub)and so far I have tried two mods I found on this forum without any change. The problem is the confinements of the skimmer area.


it wasn't listed when I got it, but judging by the size minus the baffling ... this should hold roughly 35 gallons of water, I believe yours is 17 gallons. I actually got mine of ebay and it says some assembly required. That may be ... put the whole thing together yourself. LOL....anyway, if that is the case you can set the inside to you liking. I think I paid 155 which is alot if it's just the acrylic, but I don't have a table saw so I'm basically paying the guy to sell it. I'll have it up and together by tomorrow, I'll post some pics and dimensions for you.

[Dano999]

Thanks

I don't mind some assembly but as you say if it's just a bunch of acrylic sheets that need to be cut it could be a problem.

Looking forward to seeing it and your comments.

[kevin vara]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10629844#post10629844 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Linkblaze
I like it too, at least to my noob eyes...when I start setting up my tank I'm definetly going to make sure I start with a couple of large pieces like this. I've been lurking on this thread a lot since stumbling on on this website and deciding to set up my own tank. The pictures have been a big help and I've been using this thread as sort of my "basis" for determing which topics I need to learn more on.

You're definetly providing a real service to at least one newbie. Bravo, and keep up the great work. I agree 100% thanks dano999 keep up the great work this really helps us newbees alot:D :bum:

[Dano999]

Day 30

I received my first installment of my clean up crew. The friggin FedeX driver dropped them off at 10:30 (the service was for before 3:00) and did not even knock on the door. He just left them on the porch (it was upside down, the box said live fish, fragile this side up). It wasn't until 2:30 that I noticed they were there.

Ok I'm done venting.

The first thing was to open them in a dimly lit area. Then I let the bags float in the tank for about 20 minutes.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Acclimate_1.jpg

Next I set up a drip line using airline hose and some office supplies.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Acclimate_2.jpg

I used a 5 gal bucket, set at an angle to insure the water would cover the crew, with an adjustable outlet. I started the syphon and adjusted to about 4 drops per second. Don't ask me how I counted 4 drops per second. I just followed the acclimation guidelines at Etropicals.com (http://www.etropicals.com/general/general.cfm?general_pagesid=119). I tied a knot in the line to help with the adjustment. Next time I'll use a finer drip valve.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Acclimate_4.jpg

Next I placed the crew in the bucket with the bag water and let the water drip from the tank go for 30 minutes. I then removed half the water and repeated the drip for another 30 minutes.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Acclimate_3.jpg

It's a good thing my relatives left on Sunday since they thought I was growing rocks in my tank. If they saw these guys they would think I just bought a bunch of smaller rocks.

After acclimating I placed the crew in the tank and threw the water in the bucket away. A few snails took off and were at the other end of the tank in seconds. Also a few scarlet hermits immediately started eating the green algae. The two shrimp pretty much disappeared to the back of the tank. They were certainly alive. Most of the crew just lied there or were moving real slow. I will have to keep an eye out to see if any didn't make it. FRIGGIN FEDEX GUY!!! OK I'm better now.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Release.jpg

I made a note to acclimate the hermits separate next time as one started attacking a snail in the bucket. At least it appeared so.

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.0
PH - 8.03
Ca - 560
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 10.5 (Reduced by 10% from test reading based on this article that just came out. click here (http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/8/review)
Sal - 1.024
Temp - 79.7

[vader88]

Dano, got the kit in today ... looks pretty staight forward. I'm waiting for the solvent to cure before doing baffles. It is all seperate pieces so you can set up anyway you like. Looks like we're paying for just the pieces to be cut, they seem to be very precise.

[Dano999]

Sounds good. Honestly this is what I would prefer since you can make the areas the size you really need.

Let me know how it goes.

[barngeatbayman]

FEDEX blows, UPS I find to be much better these days

[Dano999]

I agree. My UPS guy is great. FedEx always seems to have issues.

[khoivo1]

hey,,,if you want to sell your refugium,,,let me know,,i buy it from you,,,i been looking around but has not find anything fit my space,,,let me know ok,,thanks

[Dano999]

The fuge is fine it's the built in skimmer. It may be a while since it's fine for the bio load I currently have. It's pulling skim pretty well I just have doubts it can handle a 90 gal with a large load.

I am also looking to see if I can add an external skimmer like the Aqua C EV-180 to the existing fuge.

[mlblover126]

man, nice tank just tagging along in Corpus, come down here to find stuff just ask melev! find clean up crews and take a little vaction hell spend money down here, i spend money to go the 'stros!!! ust go to padre island and find turbos and peppermint shrimp!!! use the beach just q tank'em

[Dano999]

I was reading about getting clean up crews locally even at Galveston. I hear the Peppermint shrimp are pretty abundant.

What kind of Turbos can you find?

[vader88]

Dano, here's the pics of it together ..... took me about 6 hours to put it together and 2 of that was unclogging the applicator tomorrow. I'll be leak testing tomorrow. All the pieces went together fairly easy and the directions say to use masking tape to keep it together during drying, but I recommend using clamps.

I included a picture of the tank I'm putting it in to which is 48" across to give you a idea of how large it is, plus on the floor since it's hard to see against the verticals.

You can put the baffles wherever you like.


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/vader86_2006/IMG_4413640x480.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/vader86_2006/IMG_4409640x480.jpg

[vader88]

FYI... I have a large skimmer area since I'll be going with a submersible Octopus Skimmer plus I'll add my heaters and whatever else goodies in there. Thanks to the poster who provided with the dimensions of the ocean runner 3500. So left to right Pump Return, Refugium, Skimmer

[vader88]

So far so good with the leak test, amazing how that acrylic cement can actually hold together with so much pressure

[Dano999]

It looks real good. What type of clamps did you use to keep it together during drying?

[vader88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10716369#post10716369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
It looks real good. What type of clamps did you use to keep it together during drying?

Just some some regular spiral clamps or you can use the IRWINS, but their expensive, here's the one I used. You may want to go larger though..

http://images.lowes.com/product/091162/091162009628.jpg

[Mavrk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10711698#post10711698 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by barngeatbayman
FEDEX blows, UPS I find to be much better these days

My UPS guy almost never knocks or rings the bell. I will be waiting for packages all day in the front room and still not know it has been sitting for hours. My FedEx guy always rings. I think it just depends on the driver.

[Dano999]

Day 33

I covered the tank for the last two days and kept the lights off to try to control the green hair algae. It's died in a few areas and reduced a lot in the others.

I also replumbed the drain into the fuge to try to reduce the amount of bubbles which were creating a lot of salt creep. I think I tried every mod posted on this site and nothing removed the massive amount of bubbles coming from the drain line. I was able to reduce it some and the next step is a sock filter which I did not want to do but if the salt creep is still bad I may have no choice.

When turning the lights back on I noticed two things growing that I need to ID.

This one is about 1" wide and is only on one rock.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691ID_1.jpg

I have several of these starting to grow on several rocks. They are 1/8" to 1/4".

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691ID_2.jpg

I also found an empty shell. It looks like one of the hermit shells which could mean he killed a snail and took his shell.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Empty_shell.jpg

[vader88]

Dano,

How are the AGA overflow kits working for you ? Are you getting enough turnover and are they loud or quiet ? I'm looking at some different options .... 1.5" drain and 1" return. I believe the AGA is 3/4" return.

[Dano999]

The overflow seems to be OK but with all the work I have done the only place the air is getting in is from the overflow. I expect a few bubbles but mine seems excessive. I don't have anything to compare to. As for the overflow itself it's pretty quite.

The drain is 1 1/2" and the return is 3/4" although the megaflow kit has two 3/4" bulkheads. I had to cut back on the return with the problem I'm having. This is probably more a problem with the fuge drain line set up as it's fixed and about an 1" above the water level. I put a 90 on the flex drain tube to avoid having dips in the flex tube and added two inches to the entrance to allow the drain water to enter blow the fuge water level. This caused some restriction which is why I had to cut back on the return. If I run it too high I get the rising and falling effect in the over flow.

[zibba]

Hey Dano999,

Check this link out for another plumbing method: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=344892

I did this on my 90 and it drastically reduced the noise and completely eliminated the bubbles coming from the overflow.

If you have any questions and want some help - let me know.

[Dano999]

Day 35/36

Well after leaving my lights off for two days (and covering with a sheet) and reducing the time I have them on by half, the green hair algae is still pretty bad.

I ordered additional clean up inverts this evening to see if I can get this under control. All the levels still look good.

In addition I ordered a Tunze Osmolator Universal 3155 for the top off. I decided it wasn't worth the risk to use a gravity fed top off. That and I had a little flood the other evening. The 1/4" tubing somehow pulled loose from the quick fitting shut off valve and created a slow drip. The slow drip put two gallons of water on the floor. This got me concerned as I have two much invested in this hobby and I am not home enough to keep a constant eye on the tank. The Tuzne has a maximum amount of time it allows the pump to put water into the tank in addition to two level indicators. I will also hook this up to the AC jr. and can limit the time per day it will pump for addition failsafe measures.

I also purchased a Eheim Automatic Feeder. Not quite ready to use yet but I had free shipping on the top off order so I added this on too. I also included a back up heater.

One other prevention item I am going to pick up are two Penn Plax Silent Air B-11 Battery Air Pumps. These air pumps will automatically turn on in case of a power failure and keep the tank from being depleted of oxygen. The batteries last about 72 hours which should be enough for a even small hurricane. I live near the Gulf coast.

[jackfrost]

Excellent Thread !

I am getting ready to begin setting my 90 gallon tank, and the work on your lights has been excellent !

Love the pictures and the text !

Keep it going !

[Dano999]

Day 39

Here's an update.

I added the following additional inverts to help with the algae issue.

4 Mexican Turbos
12 Dwarf Blue Leg Hermits
6 Scarlet Hermits
5 Cerith Snails
8 Nassarius Snails
4 Astraea Turbo Snails

These are in addition to the inverts I added over a week ago.

I also physically removed some of the algae by hand and the lights have been cut back.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691tank.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.0
PH - 8.03
Ca - 560
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 12.5
SG - 1.025
Temp - 81.3

[demonsp]

Conch snails also great for this. Seems to me you need more water flow ,less amount of time with lights . Included some omnivores like coral beuty , tang , ect..
But with a new setup you can expect some algea untill cleanup crew goes to work.
I would only add the algea eating snails like the turbos and mb a few hermits. But i dont think theres enough of a food source for all of them.
All add a good hand full off empty shells of differant shapes and sizes to prevent shell stealing. But if he likes what he sees then they just take.

[Dano999]

Thanks for your input.

The two Hydor Koralia #4s have a flow rating of 1250 gph each plus the pump flow of 600 gph (limited by the maximum overflow rate) is a total of around 3100 gph of flow. So I don't think a lack of water flow is the issue.

It's a new tank so the nutrients feeding the algae should be depleted shortly. I just waited (per the recommendation of my LFS) too long to add a cleaning crew. Since I did not have a cycle, due to the cured LR added at the beginning, he wanted me to wait. So far most of the recommendations from the LFS, who claims 20 years of experience, have not been the best. The overinflated pricing (50% to 70% on some items) and poor initial equipment selections have cost me an extra $800 so far. He does not take returns and only gives credit. For example I am having to upgrade the skimmer because the Aquafuge Pro he talked me into does not skim well. These initial mistakes led me to trust this and other forums for recommendations over the LFS. I researched before I purchased my initial equipment but I ended up listening to the LFS because he came recommended by my local forum.

I chose not to use Conch snails due to the size they will eventually get. I really didn't want Mexican Turbos either because they knock stuff over. Nor did I want the dwarf blue legged hermits because they kill snails for the shells. Unfortunately I needed something to eat the algae and all the real good algae eaters have some issues they bring with them.

I have purchased a few dozen shells for the hermits anticipating the shell stealing issue.

The lights have been cut back from 12 hours to 7 hours per day. I covered the tank for nearly three days with no light what so ever and although this killed some of the algae it didn't get most of it. I pulled out a lot by hand and may do so again. I used a cup filled with R/O water to rinse off the algae each time I pulled some out but the tank water still got a lot floating around so I stopped.

I don't want to introduce any fish just yet as it has been less than four weeks since water was first put in the tank. I may look into the first fish here shortly but it will first go into a quarantine tank for at least three weeks. I guess I should get the quarantine tank set up.

[Dano999]

Day 40

I posted this on the AquaC Club thread in the Equipment forum but I will include it here also. I have yet to get a response from the initial post.

I have ordered the AquaC EV-180 skimmer but haven't received it yet. I also purchased the Eheim 1262 Pump and have the Mag 9.5 currently as my return pump. The Eheim was intended to be used as the return and the Mag as the skimmer pump but after reading some threads recommending the Eheim for the skimmer pump I may use it for the skimmer.

I could use some advise from those of you who have some experience with the AquaC EV models.

Below is a picture that will help with my questions.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691fuge_set_up.jpg

I have an Aquafuge Pro which has a built in skimmer that really has not done anything for four weeks even after I have plumbed and made dozens of adjustments. It puts out some skimate just not much and it's light green. The tank is a month old so not much bio load (except some inverts) but there is 150 lbs of LR that had some die off. It is also real noisy. The skimmer plus the drain bubbles noise level is around 65 dbs

I decided to purchase the AquaC EV-180 mainly due to the small footprint and the best candidate for hooking it up externally to this fuge.

Due to the small areas D and E an internal installation is not possible. The main question is whether to install externally at either side A or B. Side B would be my preferred side since the sump already has a larger area for either the return or skimmer pump depending on how this is plumbed. Bulkhead output C would be the alternate either for skimmer or return pumps.

I am concerned about two issues with side B.

1. Microbubbles being introduced back into the tank since the return pump is also next to the skimmer output. Does the skimmer output produce bubbles?

2. Reskimming the same water since the skimmer output is also next to the skimmer input pump.

Should I be concerned with either issue?

The next question would be in regards whether to use the Eheim connected to sump output C and feed the skimmer or use the Mag 9.5 already in the sump D to feed the skimmer and use the Eheim at C for the return line to the tank. I am also getting some warm temperatures so the cooler pump in the sump area would help with the temperature.

Any suggestions?

The main reason I don't want to use side A is because I want to replumb the drain line to reduce the massive amount of bubbles coming from the overflow. Also this area has acrylic support pieces for the existing skimmer. Although the Mag 9.5 would fit it would make this area real crowded. With the existing skimmer removed I can replumb this area and hopefully reduce the bubbles and noise.

Here is a picture of the skimmer. This is two days worth with no skimmate in the drain container.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Skimmer_skimmate.jpg

Thanks for any advise and or suggestions.

[barngeatbayman]

Dano,

I would return the Aqua-C EV180. Its footprint is not that small. Its an energy hog and does not outskimm smaller footprint skimmers. In order to get it to skim better it needs to be modified. Why dont you think about a Tunze 9010. I have one in a 90 gal. also its great quiet, skims like a champ. I am about a week behind you and I am getting about 100ml of skimmate a day with just my live rock. Also its cheaper than the Aqua C given that the pump is included and much quieter. Just my .02 cents

[Dano999]

Since the subject of fish stocking came up I thought I would list some potential selections. The fish were chosen based on the contribution to the health of the tank and their mostly nonaggressive tendencies.

These are not listed in any particular order.

Primary

Pyramid Butterfly - Hemitauricthys polylepis
Two Ocellaris Clownfish TANK RAISED - Amphiprion ocellaris
Clown Fairy Wrasse - Cirrhilabrus solorensis
Golden Pygmy Angelfish - Centropyge aurantia, Centropyge aurantius
African yellow belly regal blue tang - Paracanthurus hepatus var.
Evansi Anthias - Microlabrichthys evansi


Alternates

Purple Tang RED SEA - Zebrasoma xanthurus
Atlantic Blue Tang - Acanthurus coeruleus
Masked Swallowtail Angel Female - Genicanthus semifasciatus
Blue Hippo Tang - Paracanthurus hepatus
Powder Blue Tang - Acanthurus leucosternon
Zebra Lyretail Angel - Genichantus caudovittatus
Watanabe's Angel - Genicanthus watanabei
Flame Angel - Centropyge loriculus
Australian Copperband Butterfly - Chelmon rostratus
Coral Beauty Angel - Centropyge bispinosus

If you have any recommendations please feel free to list them.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10777351#post10777351 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by barngeatbayman
Dano,

I would return the Aqua-C EV180. Its footprint is not that small. Its an energy hog and does not outskimm smaller footprint skimmers. In order to get it to skim better it needs to be modified. Why dont you think about a Tunze 9010. I have one in a 90 gal. also its great quiet, skims like a champ. I am about a week behind you and I am getting about 100ml of skimmate a day with just my live rock. Also its cheaper than the Aqua C given that the pump is included and much quieter. Just my .02 cents

According to the specs it has to go either in the sump or in the tank or I guess HOB. I only have an area of 6" X 11" in the sump area. Does this need a pump as well? If it's internal then this would fit in the sump area.

Does the collection cup have a drain? I can't be available everyday to drain the cup which is limited to a little over two cups. I could go with the 9015 which has twice the size of a collection cup.

How much noise does it produce? The Tunze site states to run 8 hours a day if noise would be a problem.

I do like the lower power consumption.

Do you have a picture of your setup?

[barngeatbayman]

I'll try and take one. I have a friend with the Aqua C EV180 and he saw my skimmer and bought a Tunze and sold his Aqua C and said man that is nice!!! Much quieter than his. The drain makes more noise than the skimmer. The is no overflow on the skimmer and the pump is internal. 6"x11" is plenty of room for it. The wattage it needs to run is minute comapred to the Aqua C and Rodger at Tunze has the world's best customer service!!!

[Dano999]

barngeatbayman

Thanks you may have convinced me. I also left a thread on the Tunze forum. Hopefully Marine Depot will let me exchange. I also bought the $80 container so I have two items I will need to return. This will be about the same as a 9015. The site says they have a 25% restocking fee. The order was placed yesterday so I know it has not even been processed yet.

The Eheim will still be kept as I want a better external pump and I have heard the Mag 9.5s have problems running externally. Plus I need a backup main return pump anyway.

How often to you empty your cup?

[barngeatbayman]

I empty my cup every other day, give it a quick scrub with the brush that is provided and place the cup back in action. If Marine Depot is a good vendor than it shouldn't be a problem its not even shipped yet let alone packed. I'd call them 1 st thing in the AM. You won't be disappointed!!! The 9015 is the same as the 9010 the only difference is the cup size. I was thinking of getting the 9015, Roger from Tunze talked me into the 9010.

[barngeatbayman]

I just looked at your diagram in the Tunze forum. Ideally you want the skimmer before the refugium, before the biological filtration takes place. The best bet in my opinion is to get a new sump. I know that is not what you want to hear, but in your situation you are looking for SPS so a fuge in my opinion is important. There is a custom sump builder in Texas that I know of if you want to go that route.

[Dano999]

You're right I didn't want to hear I should replace the sump. :(

Actually I have considered it but was hoping I wouldn't have to.

If you could PM me the info of the guy in Texas I'll take this into consideration.

I checked out the cost of adding the larger cup to the 9010 and it would be the same price as just ordering the 9015. So I will probably just get the 9015. I travel for business and some trips are four days long.

[Mavrk]

Hey Dano,
I went with the 9010 in my 90 gallon. I like it a lot. I have in in the sump and it does not need an additional pump. The footprint is very small.

I am looking into the possibility of drilling a hole in the collection cup so I can run a line to an empty milk carton or something. I am worried about cracking it though, and don't have a reason to attempt this yet.

I originally was running pretty wet, so I changed it daily, but now I have turned it down and will need to change it about every 3 days. I could turn it down more and get a thicker skimmate, but I am happy enough right now.

When I first got it, the venturi hose was unplugged, so I got nothing but microbubbles. Called them up and they told me what the issue was immediately.

[Linkblaze]

You can buy from Tunze some sort of apparatus that allows you to remove the skimmate cup and drain into a separate container. It comes standard on their 9020 in case you're curious what they look like.

Also, I've read that the tank raised clown fishes are much less likely to host in an anenome. Not sure if that's an issue for you or not though.

[Dano999]

I called Marine Depot and they were able to cancel the order for the AquaC with no restocking fees and no issues. I have always had great service from these guys.

OK now I need to figure out the best solution for the skimmer.

[Dr Begalke]

that starfish pic you posted awhile back looks like an asterina.

nice system!

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10781731#post10781731 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Linkblaze

Also, I've read that the tank raised clown fishes are much less likely to host in an anenome. Not sure if that's an issue for you or not though.

This will not be an issue as I do not plan to have anemone in the tank.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10783049#post10783049 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dr Begalke
that starfish pic you posted awhile back looks like an asterina.

nice system!

With 6 legs?

I have not seen it for awhile so I don't know if it survived.

[barngeatbayman]

check your pm's

[Dano999]

I posted this question on another forum as well.

Of all the hermits I received the one below does not appear to be a Scarlet hermit. It looks like a Laurent's Hermit.

Can anyone confirm and let me know if they can be harmful to my tank.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Hermit_1.jpg

[hmello@bermexin]

Check this page to see if you can find yours.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/crabs/hermitcrabs.htm

[Dano999]

That's one of the pages I used but the picture is very poor to use as a comparison.

The description is close but not exact.

"Orange-yellow antennae. Claw-limbs brown, other legs pink with white junctions and black tips."

The claw limbs are not brown plus I think it's too big.

I also looked here and had no luck.

http://www.recif.be/article/hermit.htm

[hmello@bermexin]

The picture here does not look as "hairy" as yours does.

http://www.mikesevernsdiving.com/marineEndemic.html

[Mavrk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10792846#post10792846 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I posted this question on another forum as well.

Of all the hermits I received the one below does not appear to be a Scarlet hermit. It looks like a Laurent's Hermit.

Can anyone confirm and let me know if they can be harmful to my tank.

Sorry to tell you this my friend, but that looks like Dardanus venosus (Stareye/Starry-eye(d) Hermit Crab). I believe these are fish killers.

[Dano999]

I believe you are right. I just compared pictures.

I think I will see if anyone local wants him.

[barngeatbayman]

did you purchase the skimmer? Did it arrive how's it working?

[Dano999]

Not yet. Since I have to replace the fuge I am going to wait until I have it ready to set up first. The fuge is due to arrive Monday.

Because of some job priorities I won't have a chance for at least a week maybe two.

[barngeatbayman]

what fuge did you wind up getting? Added cleanup crew to my tank today.

[kawicivic]

http://reefscavengers.com/

there is a strawberry hermit on there that kinda looks like the hermit you got

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10817894#post10817894 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by barngeatbayman
what fuge did you wind up getting? Added cleanup crew to my tank today.

It's the one Vader88 purchased. It's 36L X 16W X 18H and the baffles come uninstalled so you can make the compartments any size you want. He said it's working out pretty good so I thought I would give it a try. It's actually the same design as I have but twice the volume and adjustable.

Below is the picture of Vader88s,

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m68/vader86_2006/IMG_4413640x480.jpg

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10817915#post10817915 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kawicivic
http://reefscavengers.com/

there is a strawberry hermit on there that kinda looks like the hermit you got

I am pretty sure it's a Starry Eyed Hermit (Dardanus venosus). Below is a pic from a site and the bottom one is mine.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Dardanus_venosus_1.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Hermit_1.jpg

[barngeatbayman]

looks nice!!!!!!

[Dano999]

It will definitely have plenty of room. Plus the price was right.

[kevin vara]

nice fuge were does it come from and how much does it cost?:bum:

[Dano999]

Actually it's being sold on Ebay for $160. It has to be assembled to what extent I am not yet sure. It does require acrylic cement.

When I get it I will post pics of the assembly.

[vader88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10823538#post10823538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
Actually it's being sold on Ebay for $160. It has to be assembled to what extent I am not yet sure. It does require acrylic cement.

When I get it I will post pics of the assembly.


Each and every piece needs to be assembled. Just set a couple hours aside one night and consider it a learning experience. It's all pre-cut to size and you bond it together and make the chambers whatever size you need.

[Dano999]

Day 46

Wow already a month and a half.

I thought I would post the latest tank picture. Also I have some pictures of what I think are sponges. I seem to be getting a lot of sponge growth. I have at least 5 or 6 of the ones below. If anyone can confirm if these are sponges I would appreciate it.

The algae problem is getting better. I also did some redecorating. I added another piece (about 7 lbs) and moved a few pieces around.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_47_tank.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_47_sponge_1.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_47_sponge_2.jpg

I upgraded the fans in the canopy and was able to reduce the temperature by about 1.5 degrees. The tank now stays below 80 and I can regulate it between 79.7 and 80.0.

I ordered the Tunze 9010 and and Eheim 1260 to go with the new fuge. The 9010 has a two week backorder so the timing will be fine with the completion on the fuge build.

The Eheim will replace the Mag 9.5. I was told they run cooler than the Mag 9.5 which hopefully will bring down the temp one more degree. With head pressure I am hoping to get 450 to 500 gph which is a good flow through the fuge. With the two Koralia #4s total flow in the tank should be close to 3000 gph or around 33 times the tank capacity.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10823595#post10823595 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vader88
Each and every piece needs to be assembled. Just set a couple hours aside one night and consider it a learning experience. It's all pre-cut to size and you bond it together and make the chambers whatever size you need.

I was hoping you would respond Thanks. :)

I had a feeling this was the case and have been studying up on acrylic work. I am surprised the description says no tools required. I would think in addition to the clamps you recommended you would also need something to square up the sides. Easy enough to pick up at Lowe's.

I am also going to pick up some additional applicators.

[Dano999]

I thought I would post some pictures together to see the changes over the last 4 weeks.

Day 18

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Clearer_1-med.jpg

Day 21

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_21_front-med.jpg

Day 28

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_28.jpg

Day 39

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691tank.jpg

Day 46

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_47_tank.jpg

It's funny how the algae only grew on the first pieces I started with and not on the smaller additional pieces.

[vader88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10823719#post10823719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
I was hoping you would respond Thanks. :)

I had a feeling this was the case and have been studying up on acrylic work. I am surprised the description says no tools required. I would think in addition to the clamps you recommended you would also need something to square up the sides. Easy enough to pick up at Lowe's.

I am also going to pick up some additional applicators.


I would recommend picking up the Weldon #16. It's thicker and fill the seems better. Not as pretty as the liquid, but I feel better with it. You can pick it up for 7-10 bucks at the LFS or acrylics shop. I let the clamps do the squaring up for me, although I did check with a square afterwards. You can still do it with the included glue, but like you said...get some more applications and be careful. They are sharp, I know and have bonding cement in my blood stream. I'll be dead before my tank is done :D

[Dano999]

Does it say what type of glue they include? I was thinking of Weld-On #4 which seems to be the recommended cement. I will pick up #16 also.

[TK3]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10648366#post10648366 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
It maybe they just don't want liability. Any power driven system can also fail. It has been working fine so far. I will check it periodically to make sure it keeps working.

There are several articles about this. A broken float switch == flooded aquarium == everything dies when salinity drops. Always top off from a small container (5 gals), or using a solenoid AND timer (like what can be done with the Aquatronica controller). If level is low, turn on top off pump, but if level does not return to OK in XX seconds, block program from running again until reviewed.

Bad idea to top off directly from RO/DI w/ float. Potential disaster.

[vader88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10824299#post10824299 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dano999
Does it say what type of glue they include? I was thinking of Weld-On #4 which seems to be the recommended cement. I will pick up #16 also.

I'm not sure which number they include, but it is water like consistency. I liked #16 because it is more like a model glue.

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10824365#post10824365 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3
There are several articles about this. A broken float switch == flooded aquarium == everything dies when salinity drops. Always top off from a small container (5 gals), or using a solenoid AND timer (like what can be done with the Aquatronica controller). If level is low, turn on top off pump, but if level does not return to OK in XX seconds, block program from running again until reviewed.

Bad idea to top off directly from RO/DI w/ float. Potential disaster.

Thanks for your input but if you read the threads you will see this is not topped off from the RO/DI but from a container that I usually fill with 5 to 7 gals. Also in the threads you will see I purchased the Tunze Osmolator Universal 3155 which will also be hooked up to the AC jr and timed for additional safety.

[Dano999]

Day 57

It's been awhile since my last post. I was away on business last week and came home to find tons of sponge throughout the tank. It was a whitish light brown sponge. If it was decent looking I would have kept it.

Anyway I am waiting to install a new fuge a skimmer which is still at least two weeks away. The fuge I purchased a few weeks ago didn't work out. I won't get into details but I am now having one made from a guy in the Dallas area.

The skimmer I want to go with is the Tunze 9010 but due to production issues they have been backordered for over a month and are still over two weeks away from being back in stock.

Below is the latest pic of the tank. Algae is now only in a few areas.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_56.jpg

NH4 - 0.0
NO2 - 0.0
NO3 - 0.0
PH - 7.97
Ca - 460
PO4 - 0.0
dKH - 9.8
SG - 1.025
Temp - 79.9

[kevin vara]

Thanks for update was wondering what happened great thread

[msn711]

Are the tunzes back ordered everywhere? Probably so from what you posted. I was thinking about ordering one for my 120, but I may be waiting a few more weeks before ordering anyway.

[jackfrost]

Dano

Not wanting to rub salt on an open wound, but I know many people that have had a hard time gluing acrylic panels together and getting everything to look right.

Go with the custom order. You will be happier !

Nick

[Dano999]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10901189#post10901189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by msn711
Are the tunzes back ordered everywhere? Probably so from what you posted. I was thinking about ordering one for my 120, but I may be waiting a few more weeks before ordering anyway.

They are back ordered evrywhere that I know of. Roger of Tunze said it may be a few more weeks.

[barngeatbayman]

Dano

A local buddy of mine picked up a 9010 at Salty Critters last week give him a try (Sponsor). Did you wind up going with the guy that I told you about for the sump? Maybe get some trochus snails they will clean that hair algae problem up. Once you get that sump and skimmer going you will be very happy!!!

My tank is going well add some cheato today and am setting up the quartine tank this weekend.

Larry

[Dano999]

I tried Salty Critter and they are out also.

I went with your recommendation for the sump.

Can't find trochus snails without paying $30 for shipping. The algae is getting better with the crew I have.

I have my bio filter in my sump getting ready for the quarantine tank.

[msn711]

Just order the snails whenever you order corals/fish. It's not worth it to order snails/cuc alone, but with a larger order, it works out. And the trochus snails are really good to have.

[Dano999]

Day 59

CRAP CRAP CRAP :furious:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691bubble_algea.jpg

It's in a deep crevice on one on the largest pieces. There is more under the patch of algea on the right.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_56_bubble_algea.jpg

I'm going to remove the piece and chisel it out. I may take this opportunity to redo this area as I was never really happy with this piece. It's flat and kind of boring. I have one more piece in a bucket that is about 8 lbs. If I replace it I will still have 135 to 140 lbs of live rock.

I also found the following today.

Hopefully a bristle worm.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Bristle_Worm.jpg

Hopefully Caulerpa

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Caulerpa_racemosa.jpg

Tube worm

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691feather_duster_worm_Qustion_2.jpg

[moo0o]

i HATE those bubbles. best of luck to you!

[TD13]

you might want to get a tang in there or a foxface they will clean a lot of that up

[enforcer]

I agree....tangs will clean it up in no time...:)

[Dano999]

Day 60

I removed the VERY large piece of LR that had the bubble algae and added an 8 lb piece I had left over that was sitting in a bucket with a powerhead. The piece I removed weighs about 35 lbs.

I did some rearranging and below is what I came up with. I may tweak it a little more because a few rocks aren't as stable as I would like.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/162691Day_60_tank.jpg

The piece I removed is now sitting in a container with a powerhead. After I remove the bubble algae I think I will just sell it.

[jccash]

I am also setting up a new tank. 65 gal. Have you thought about painting the back of your tank blue? I used Rust-Oleum Royal Blue (7727)

Here is a link to my tank:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffcameron/sets/72157602190610068/

I have had it up and running for two weeks now. No fish yet, just live sand and LR.

Jeff Cameron
Longwood, Fl