Phishy yellow BTA, PICS

[GSMguy]

http://phishybusiness.com/livestock/index.php?cPath=24

unique and pricey, what does everybody think.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/A63.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/A60.jpg


i actually want the pink one for 125 but im sure by posting this it will sell quick...

[hottuna]

bet it's dyed or something...

[GSMguy]

not dyed

[GSMguy]

Also they have this listed as Carpet but i would guess its a Heteractus of some kind?
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/A62.jpg

[Casshern]

i have feeling that color isn't going to stay

[55semireef]

Hmm weird. I can't picture that anemone staying that color too long.

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10538965#post10538965 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
not dyed


Yes it is dyed , yellow . There is no yellow anemone in the ocean , at least that nobody has found .

[TikiDan]

the purple one I believe is a japanese sebae

[PSam]

look at photo of yellow anem on top of this page:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/coloredanemones.htm

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dyedcorals.htm

very similar.

[GSMguy]

japanese sebae is not an actuall anemone... but your close Sebae usually refers to a Heteractus species.

and i agree that the color might not stay too long but im sure some would remain.

Remember the Colorado Son of Ra BTA they have the yellow too,

[phender]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10539537#post10539537 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Yes it is dyed , yellow . There is no yellow anemone in the ocean , at least that nobody has found .

Really? Because I had a yellow haddoni carpet for 7 years. My mertens carpet had yellow tips and so does one of the BTAs I currently have.
http://home.earthlink.net/~philhenderson/ForSale/BTAGreenw_yellowClose.jpg

Not much of a stretch to imagine that the yellow could extend a little further down.

I do question their lighting and/or photoshop skills. The skunk clowns on that same page are a very odd color. The pink BTA looks a bit touched up as well.

[AquaReeferMan]

Ashy Larry!!!! Thats great.

[phender]

For a BTA to be that expensive in my book, it would have to be two things: rare and beautiful.

First, they have 2 of them, so maybe not that rare. Second, yellow, especially in this case is only a shade or two away from being brown.

At least zoas, echinos and acans are easy to keep. I would hate to see BTAs become the next big ticket item. Maybe they already have.

[Toddrtrex]

Yea, I agree phender, those skunks really seemed to have an off color.

And my Haddoni could be considered yellow, and I know it isn't dyed since I've had it for 6 + years.

[DivaMan]

Def not dyed my lfs propagates a yellow-orange variety. Very cool

[Sharkie06]

the color you see is the real deal. i have had one for 2 years now and it stay the same color. they come in from bali once in a while. in two years in my tank, it has spit out 3 baby. the bigger i gets the color become my neon yellow. i will try to take a picture of my mother bta, it's about 13"-15" when fully open.

[Dawman]

Maybe some of you should do some reading up on anemones . They are not naturally yellow and have been dyed . Just because you have had a yellow nem for a few years doesn`t mean it is not dyed . Every book, article, or web page about anemones I have read state there is no such thing as a yellow nem with exception of a very rare few that have yellowish tips .

I have also talked about this to a few reefers that have been in the hobby for many decades .

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

Mine was yellow before it died.

[jdreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10541581#post10541581 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Just because you have had a yellow nem for a few years doesn`t mean it is not dyed .

Really? So you could keep a dyed anemone alive for a few years? It would keep its color? And the new growth on it would take on the dyed color?

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10541809#post10541809 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jdreefer
Really? So you could keep a dyed anemone alive for a few years? It would keep its color? And the new growth on it would take on the dyed color?




There are many fish that have been dyed and live for years and the color seems to stay with them also .

[GSMguy]

Dawman jeez they are not dyed

i think phenders right its the lighting/image processing

and yes he has and has had yellow nems that were not dyed

in colorado like diva man said they propogate anemones that are very similar.

and yea looks like BTA are the new Collectors coral.

anybody in colombus seen these nems in person???

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10540813#post10540813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquaReeferMan
Ashy Larry!!!! Thats great.



thanks ;)

[phender]

Dawman,

The problem with only reading, is that in this hobby, most articles and books are simply written based on other articles and books and not actual experience.

Once something is written, it gets passed on over and over without anyone questioning it. There are all kinds of things that I have seen in books and articles over and over again that I know from experience, are wrong. Most articles you see will say that mertens carpets don't have sticky tentacles. I know from keeping them that they certainly do have sticky tentacles. Most articles will also say that anemones live for hundreds of years in the wild. In truth there is really no evidence to support this. The observations that supported this hypothesis are not valid, but it appeared in a well know researcher's book, so it gets passed on without question.

Bright yellow sebae anemones are dyed. The dye that they use is water soluble and fades within a month or so. Most yellow gigantea carpets are bleached. However, yellow is a color that can and does naturally occur in the pigmented areas of some host anemones.

[GSMguy]

phil you see the red and green in the anemones as welll. very similar to those colorado BTA?

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542078#post10542078 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
Dawman,

The problem with only reading, is that in this hobby, most articles and books are simply written based on other articles and books and not actual experience.

Once something is written, it gets passed on over and over without anyone questioning it. There are all kinds of things that I have seen in books and articles over and over again that I know from experience, are wrong. Most articles you see will say that mertens carpets don't have sticky tentacles. I know from keeping them that they certainly do have sticky tentacles. Most articles will also say that anemones live for hundreds of years in the wild. In truth there is really no evidence to support this. The observations that supported this hypothesis are not valid, but it appeared in a well know researcher's book, so it gets passed on without question.

Bright yellow sebae anemones are dyed. The dye that they use is water soluble and fades within a month or so. Most yellow gigantea carpets are bleached. However, yellow is a color that can and does naturally occur in the pigmented areas of some host anemones.


Think what you want as I will also . I have had many conversations with people experienced with this and the books were from personal experiences not from someone elses thoughts .

It`s my opinion and belief and some behind a computer sure isn`t going to change my mind .

[phender]

GSMGuy,
I am seeing some green in the first one, the pink in the second one may be an artifact of the flash or something else. IMO, they don't like similar to the ones I have seen from Colorado.

Dawson, They have personal experience of not seeing a yellow anemone? You can think what you want, but when you post something as fact, when it is not, you are going to get challenged.

Here you go, now you have seen a yellow anemone. I can't think of any other color to call it.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/67981gClownEggs1.jpg

[GSMguy]

dude your not really arguing with a dude who owned a yellow anemone. are you? phil has plenty of experience when i first started posting here i argued with him about something i had no clue about and even made some rude personal comments, i was way off and he knows what he is talking about.

if the nems are still there friday i might go down and inspect them in person. unless someone in columbus can go for me.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542209#post10542209 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
GSMGuy,
I am seeing some green in the first one, the pink in the second one may be an artifact of the flash or something else. IMO, they don't like similar to the ones I have seen from Colorado.

Dawson, They have personal experience of not seeing a yellow anemone? You can think what you want, but when you post something as fact, when it is not, you are going to get challenged.

Here you go, now you have seen a yellow anemone. I can't think of any other color to call it.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/67981gClownEggs1.jpg

god that thing is pimpin, i am moving in a year when im done with school and i have a few freinds who have gone to San Diego, your anemone pics make me want to join them.

[maxxII]

Dawman,
I applaud your determination to stick by your "guns" and not believe everything you read on an internet forum....

However,
as an FYI.......Phender is Phil Henderson. The same Phil Henderson many authors quote when referencing anemones and anemone care. Joyce Wilkerson springs immediately to mind as one such author...

So its not exactly like you're getting 4th hand information from Joe Bob the welder, (no offense to anyone named Joe Bob or to welders...).

Phender's been keeping difficult/delicate anemones longer than most people have been in the hobby.

You can pretty much take what Phender says about anemones as truth.

(Sorry to have publically exposed your secret identity Phender).

Nick

[TropTrea]

They may not necessarly be dyed. Dependent upon the light source they are used to the photosynthesis chemicals have the ability to shift to those most effecient for the light source. This can cause some color shifting, saturation or bleaching. Another factor is the lighting used when the photograph was taken. If the light source was strong in some frequencies these frequencies will dominate the picture. Then last but not least is photoediting software, Color intensity can be brought up considerable to the point a pale pink be changed into a bright hot pink, or a yellowish brown can be changed into a shocking yellow.

Dennis

[Phishy]

These are not dyed. I personally collected one XL YELLOW BTA in Bali about 4 weeks ago. When I shipped all my items back, the yellow split twice the next day and I had two small clones.
I hope this settles the argument.
Peace!
Serdar
Phishy Business

[phender]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542262#post10542262 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by maxxII
You can pretty much take what Phender says about anemones as truth.


I apprieciate the confidence that you have in what I say, but what I say is just based on my experience and in some cases the experiences of trusted others. The "truth" may be a whole different thing. :) Just because someone has written an article or has been quoted, doesn't mean they can't be wrong. That's what got us into this discussion in the first place. :D

It is perfectly OK to have an opinion or to share your experiences, that is what this forum is all about. I have changed my mind about several things based on experiences presented in this forum. However, when you state things as absolute facts, you will have to be ready to back them up.

[GSMguy]

thanks serdar,
knowing you had collected them from the reef has to help. :)

did you keep one clone in hopes to keep producing them or are you selling all of them?

[Toddrtrex]

Sure this isn't a bright yellow, but it is still yellow in my eyes. Like I've stated I've had it for 6+ years, and it has been this color the whole time.
(( no adjustment made to the pictures -- the white balance was left on "auto" and the tank has 14K DE bulbs ))
FTS -- in the middle back

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Newlightsflash.jpg

I picture when I upset my blue haddoni by moving some rocks, it moved next to my yellow one.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/yellowblue.jpg

[Phishy]

GSMguy,
Yes, keeping one clone for my NEW 450:)
Serdar

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542651#post10542651 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Phishy
GSMguy,
Yes, keeping one clone for my NEW 450:)
Serdar

can you do us/me a favor?

take a pic of it in a couple months and post them so we can see what happense to a yellow BTA in a tank with artificial lighting? and because they are cool.

Please.

where in the reef did you find it was it in a field of BTA were there others like it? must have been a really fun trip.

[Phishy]

Not a problem..........

If I remember correctly, at 50-70 feet, on the down slope of the reef, hidden between leathers. No other BTAs were close by.

Serdar

[mrbncal]

<>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Yes it is dyed , yellow . There is no yellow anemone in the ocean , at least that nobody has found .

Lighten up. Apparently someone has found one.

[DivaMan]

If youd like I can try and get my LFS to e-mail me a pic of one of these. They are generally a khaki color, with hints of dark green and bright red. I have personally seen them split. They are for one of the mother anemones nearly 250-500$ a pop.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542830#post10542830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Phishy
Not a problem..........

If I remember correctly, at 50-70 feet, on the down slope of the reef, hidden between leathers. No other BTAs were close by.

Serdar

thanks wow 50-70ft from my experience diving the thing would be a pretty low light nem.

good find serdar.

[55semireef]

Wow I was reading along while this thread was going and I have learned quite a bit. GSMguy, good luck with your beautiful yellow BTA. If you ever move down to FLA and it splits on you let me know. :D

[GSMguy]

55 semi i didnt get one.

too much money for me right now...

[55semireef]

Oh I thought you bought it. How much were they?

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542836#post10542836 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrbncal
Lighten up. Apparently someone has found one.

Neither of those pics have a yellow nem , greenish color , but not yellow .

Ok then , prove me wrong . Show proof someone has found one in the wild and is yellow , not a greenish/yellowish one in someone`s tank .


According to;

Dr. Daphne G. Fautin
California Academy of Sciences
University of Kansas
and
Dr. Gerald R. Allen
Western Australian Museum

"Details Animal commonly attached deeply in crevice or hole so that only emergent tentacles visible. Column without verrucae; usually brown, sometimes reddish or greenish; gradually flared from small pedal disc. Oral disc same brown colour as tentacles. Tentacles can collapse when disturbed, appear gray-green. "


They go on about many other anemones and state some other nems can have a yellowish/fuchsia mouth . Some rare species have yellow and pink tips . Also go on about other species have rare yellow tips , yellowish/cream base . Nothing about a natural full blown yellow colored anemone .

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10543634#post10543634 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Ok then , prove me wrong . Show proof someone has found one in the wild and is yellow , not a greenish/yellowish one in someone`s tank .




These are not dyed. I personally collected one XL YELLOW BTA in Bali about 4 weeks ago. When I shipped all my items back, the yellow split twice the next day and I had two small clones.



For the record, Phenders Mertensii had plenty of yellow in it. It looked very yellow to me.

[Phishy]

You can all decide for yourselves. YBTA has some green tones in the picture but in person I do not see any. Compare colors with the other BTAs in the pics.
Serdar

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/15072today_pics1_006.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/15072today_pics1_012.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/15072today_pics1_013.jpg

[Dawman]

Well , ok. If these are what you guys consider to be yellow then ok . None of the pics are a bright yellow like the picture in question that started this topic .

Phishy , to me yours looks tanish/cream colored with green in it . But hey if it`s yellow to you guys ok then .

[triggerfish1976]

I think the problem is when someone thinks yellow they picture a lemon or a school bus. These Anemones are really green with a yellowish tint to them or at least that is how I percieve them. I can clearly see green in all three of the anemones noted above but given the fact that these are different shades that the standard greens that are normally encountered with each of the types of anems. and the color is yellowish we label them as plain yellow anemones.
You will also get various colors when these are viewed under various lighting schemes and various camera effect (natural and customized) so all of these may look totally different in person.
It's similar to when colors like red and orange are described in SPS corals. Given that these are two fairly rare pigments in SPS the industry stretches the perception a little to be able to sell them for more money.

[jdreefer]

Well, Serdar, whether it meets someone's personal definition of yellow or not, they look very unique. Atleast not anything I have ever seen before. Especially from the colors you can see in the first couple of pictures that were posted from your website. As previously mentioned, you will have to post pictures of the clone in a couple of months. It will be interesting to see what color they end up when acclimated to different lighting conditions.

The good news is you got some free advertising out of this thread too. ;)

[phender]

I know I am beating a dead horse here, but the color of carpet anemones is their tip color. Blue, red and green carpets are only that color on the tips of their tentacles. You are right that color is in the eyes of the beholder. I don't think I would call Todd's carpet yellow. I might call phishy's BTA yellow if I saw it in person. I don't have a pic of my dark yellow haddoni, but it was like yellow mustard. I don't see any green in the merten's photo and like I said, in carpets, tip color is the anemone color. Look again in the Fautin/Allen book, it says both mertens and haddonis can have yellow tip color.

On the subject of the Fautin/Allen book. Daphne Fautin is a well recognized anemone expert. However, I have been told by one of the top reef aquarium experts in the country that at the time the book was written, she hadn't been able to keep any host anemones alive long enough to study them in an aquarium. Most the info came from dives. Has she seen every anemone? Did she say that there weren't any yellow anemones? She just didn't mention that color in BTAs. She also didn't mention blue haddoni or purple based magnifica, does that mean they don't exist?

The Fautin/Allen book is a great reference for anemones and clownfish, but it is not the gospel. They mention that the bulbs on BTAs seems to be related to the presence of fish. Oop, its not. We know this based on aquarium tests and photos from the wild. They say that mertens carpets have non-adhesive tentacles. Not true either, just ask anyone that has kept one. I could go on.

Which brings us back to a point I tried to make earlier. Just because it is written some where, doesn't mean it is true.

[Dawman]

What about the BTA that started this? There is no such thing as a YBTA as I was trying to state from the get go . Nobody has shown proof of a yellow nem that is in the wild . So if you can`t believe what Fautin/Allen wrote then what you state from it can be false also . Believing and not believing what an author says goes both ways .



The ONLY pic on this thread that looks or even resembles YELLOW is the FIRST one . All the others look greenish or tan/cream colored . Which brings me to my point , it is DYED .



:o

[GSMguy]

your new pics look like your original pics to me, there is definetly a yellow tone to those BTA

about that Carpet anemone.. what kind do you think it is serdar?

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10544542#post10544542 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
What about the BTA that started this? There is no such thing as a YBTA as I was trying to state from the get go . Nobody has shown proof of a yellow nem that is in the wild . So if you can`t believe what Fautin/Allen wrote then what you state from it can be false also . Believing and not believing what an author says goes both ways .



The ONLY pic on this thread that looks or even resembles YELLOW is the FIRST one . All the others look greenish or tan/cream colored . Which brings me to my point , it is DYED .



:o

dawman Serdar owns phishy buisness the bta that started this is the same in the photos i posted and serdar posted. I just posted the pics off of his website, also he personally collected this anemone from the reef on the other side of the world and sent it to himself in Ohio. then it split in 3 and he is selling 2 and keeping one.

that is a yellow BTA if you want to aknowledge the overwhelming presence of yellow in it.

if you read his phenders post completly as i can tell your not reading all the posts in this thread, you will see that he is just posting his personall and extensive experience with keeping anemones.

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10544542#post10544542 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman

The ONLY pic on this thread that looks or even resembles YELLOW is the FIRST one . All the others look greenish or tan/cream colored . Which brings me to my point , it is DYED .
:o


I'll have to disagree with you on the dyed aspect. If it was dyed I think that the colors would be truly yellow like the dyed sebae's that are available from time to time.
Phishy Business and Sedar are also one of the most honest and well respected livestock vendors in the country and if he says it is not dyed then I have to believe him. He wouldn't risk his rep. by selling a dyed anemone.

[GSMguy]

Trigger why argue with him serdar pulled this thing from the reef with his own two hands

lol saying it is dyed is just derailing the thread.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10542544#post10542544 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Phishy
These are not dyed. I personally collected one XL YELLOW BTA in Bali about 4 weeks ago. When I shipped all my items back, the yellow split twice the next day and I had two small clones.
I hope this settles the argument.
Peace!
Serdar
Phishy Business


Dawman did you miss this?

[Dawman]

People can say anything on a forum . Like I mentioned , show me a pic of a yellow BTA that is in the ocean and not in an aquarium and I will take back everything I said .



Other than that I stick to what I believe .

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545121#post10545121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
People can say anything on a forum . Like I mentioned , show me a pic of a yellow BTA that is in the ocean and not in an aquarium and I will take back everything I said .



Other than that I stick to what I believe .
people will indeed say anything on a forum, you go ahead and beleive whatever you want, your wrong. lol.

[GSMguy]

so the yellow carpets pictured are what?

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545197#post10545197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
so the yellow carpets pictured are what?


Can you read ? I stated they look greenish color not yellow .


I`m done arguing , whatever . I have better things to do than argue on the same points I already made . Oh ya , YOU are wrong !

[GSMguy]

as long as your ok with not really knowing what your talking about, im ok with it as well. Sorry to be so agressive.

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545292#post10545292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
as long as your ok with not really knowing what your talking about, im ok with it as well. Sorry to be so agressive.





That`s funny , that was my exact thought . :D

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545219#post10545219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Can you read ? I stated they look greenish color not yellow .


I`m done arguing , whatever . I have better things to do than argue on the same points I already made . Oh ya , YOU are wrong !

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/cichlidfort/beatingadeadhorse.jpg

[maxxII]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545219#post10545219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
Can you read ? I stated they look greenish color not yellow .


I`m done arguing , whatever . I have better things to do than argue on the same points I already made . Oh ya , YOU are wrong !

What are you.....6 years old? I have no issues with you disagreeing with everyone here, but try to act like a grown up. You actually get farther in debates when you respond to arguments intelligently.

Nick

[chris79]

dont forget your what profession is; HVAC TECH, not an anemone expert. If I had questions about heating or my a.c unit i might be inclined to listen to you, but we are talking about anemones and serdar has no reason to lie. I did a search and found several anemones that were yellow in the wild, just search for stock photos.

[Casshern]

A lot of coldwater anemones are yellow. One that comes to mind immediately is the strawberry anemone. And a british anemone, Sagartia troglodytes

I wouldn't doubt anything in nature. Any color is possible. There's even a glow-in-the-dark shark, and one that fluoresces. Steve Zissou will attest to this.



http://www.abovebelowphotos.com/albums/album09/Yellow_Anemone.jpg http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Anemone-11.jpg
http://www.intellectualpoison.com/uploaded_images/YellowAnemone-724485.JPG
http://www.oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/Explorations/03mountains/logs/jul18/media/coral9_600.jpg http://home.hetnet.nl/~faassema/photos/Sagartiatroglodytesweb.jpg

[DivaMan]

Ok dawman, pictures arent exact either, that picture looked to have been taken in odd lighting conditions and not under a flash while the others were taken in full tank lighting.

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10550236#post10550236 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Casshern
A lot of coldwater anemones are yellow. One that comes to mind immediately is the strawberry anemone. And a british anemone, Sagartia troglodytes

I wouldn't doubt anything in nature. Any color is possible. There's even a glow-in-the-dark shark, and one that fluoresces. Steve Zissou will attest to this.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~faassema/photos/Sagartiatroglodytesweb.jpg

Now that's a yellow anemone. Great example.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10545219#post10545219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
, YOU are wrong !
care to retract that statement?
looks like i have some backup. did you bring any?

[dc]

[flamealert]




Some of you may need to go back and read the UA!

[TOURKID]

Hey guys :) Just saw the thread

I saw these nems last week, 1 was deflated (i think you can see theyre true color better when they deflate)

But anyhow, they really are beautiful, YELLOW btas lol

[55semireef]

Thanks for stepping in Debi.

I appreciate all of you that actually did the research and provided examples of yellow BTAs. Good job guys.

[GSMguy]

Thanks Tourkid :)

Debi im not sure if you mean me or not but i apologise if you do.

[szwab]

fortunately Phishy is local to me. the anemones in question are really nice (have seen them in person). Serdar's trip really did land some nice stuff. Not trying to schill but thought another first hand look might be appreciated.

[DidYouSayReefer]

I live 5 minutes from Phishy. It is the real deal. No trick lighting or photoshop. I have purchased every peice of coral from there and got nothing but the best. If I had the money it would be in my tank and we would not even be having this discussion!

[GSMguy]

thanks guys for your personall experience. i think i need to head down your way and check them out.

[vance.110]

Look, I've seen it in person. It is yellow, maybe not canary yellow but it is yellow. Serdar shut his shop down when he went on this trip and it was a big hoopla to all of us in Columbus when he came back with his hand picked stuff. He's a stand up guy, I've been buying from him since his business was run out of his basement. If he says he picked it up himself on a reef somewhere, he did you can take that to the bank. He wouldn't risk his reputation all over this country as one of the best suppliers for a few hundred bucks.

[delphinus]

Wading in a little bit late on this and sorry if I'm pouring salt into wounds, but ... I just have to share this:

http://members.shaw.ca/hobiesailor/aquaria/anemones/ritteritank1.jpg

I would call my anemone yellow. Not yellow"ish", yellow. And this is its natural colour. I have had it over 6 years now. This however is H. magnifica, so not fair to compare to carpets or BTA's perhaps, but I thought it was worthy of showing. FWIW I have seen this colour variant in the wild on dives. Yellow is most certainly possible in at least some host anemone species.

Peace :)

[55semireef]

Poor Dawman.

[delphinus]

In all fairness, Dawson is only saying something that I've heard repeatedly over the years. I've heard several well respected anemone people say that there's no such thing as yellow anemones. It's just that in those cases, I like to whip out a picture of mine and say "Well what colour is this then?" just to be a smart aleck. :)

The bottom line though that as far as BTA's or carpets go, yellow is unusual. The yellow carpets that I've seen that were really truly "yellow" were really more bleached anemones that did not look healthy. And well, I've never seen a BTA that look like the ones in this thread. They're definitely neat, I'll give them that, but you know what, to me, at the end of the day, they're just Entacmaea quadricolor. Maybe I'm just not the same anemone geek I was a few years ago but really I only get excited when I see purple and red gigantea carpets and everything else, I'm just sort ... "Eh, it's nice but it's not a red or purple gigantea."

[Rod Buehler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10619571#post10619571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by delphinus
In all fairness, Dawson is only saying something that I've heard repeatedly over the years. I've heard several well respected anemone people say that there's no such thing as yellow anemones. It's just that in those cases, I like to whip out a picture of mine and say "Well what colour is this then?" just to be a smart aleck. :)

The bottom line though that as far as BTA's or carpets go, yellow is unusual. The yellow carpets that I've seen that were really truly "yellow" were really more bleached anemones that did not look healthy. And well, I've never seen a BTA that look like the ones in this thread. They're definitely neat, I'll give them that, but you know what, to me, at the end of the day, they're just Entacmaea quadricolor. Maybe I'm just not the same anemone geek I was a few years ago but really I only get excited when I see purple and red gigantea carpets and everything else, I'm just sort ... "Eh, it's nice but it's not a red or purple gigantea."

You took the words out of my mouth :), but for me, I still like to see nicely colored magnifica's. Maybe because I have a purple gigantea. My mag is nice but not as colorful as some that I see. Mine looks very much like yours, Tony, but just a little less vibrant.

[marc price]

ditto

[catastrofe]

Just for grins I thought I'd share my yellow gigantea. The photos aren't that great, but the last one gives you an idea of the color difference between the anemone and a green montipora. You can also see the difference between the anemone and green coralline algae on the rear of the tank. In person, it's much "yellower".

<img src=http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=yo4hpj&outx=600&quality=70>

<img src=http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=yo4hpx&outx=600&quality=70>

<img src=http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=yo4hpl&outx=600&quality=70>

[Big Brother]

i love that logic

photographic proof under your nose and you still deny the color yellow exists in anemones.

way to go!

[55semireef]

I know it has been repeated before but when we show pictures of yellow anemones that people actually own and when people still deny their color or existence it can be :mad:

[tpdpercula]

Group Hug!!!!!!

[Slakker]

I don't want to open up any sore spots here, but having seen a few dyed anemones, I'm convinced this one is legit. The pictures show no signs of any sort of dye, in my eyes anyways.

The anemones I've seen that have been dyed have all had fairly opaque coloration, not nearly as translucent as this BTA. Also, I was under the impression that it was not at all common practice to dye E. Quadricolor.

And, for me, the nail in the coffin is this: We haven't EXPLORED enough of the ocean to be able to say definitively what does and does not exist, and anyone who claims otherwise is blowing smoke.

[GSMguy]

Tyler, Serdar plucked this anemone from the reef with his own two hands these particular yellows are the least likely to be dyed out of all the anemones in the trade.

its not often a LFS owner flies 6 thousand+ miles to go and dye anemones.

[Slakker]

I'm agreeing with you completely, and I'm not saying that he didn't collect it himself, I was just going by the things that I could see for sure with my own eyes.

In any case, has anyone picked one of these up for themselves yet?

[ReefDent]

I have one of the clones that spit off shortly after being introduced to his system. It is really yellowish. It wasn't as yellow as the "parent," but is definitely not rose or green.

I'll try and get some pics this evening if I get home in time.

James

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11040935#post11040935 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefDent
I have one of the clones that spit off shortly after being introduced to his system. It is really yellowish. It wasn't as yellow as the "parent," but is definitely not rose or green.

I'll try and get some pics this evening if I get home in time.

James

James i really would love to see your tank. you have all the good stuff in there :)

[ReefDent]

Thanks!! I try... I'll pm you my contact info and if you're coming to Columbus, give me a call and you could stop by if we're around!

James

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11041910#post11041910 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefDent
Thanks!! I try... I'll pm you my contact info and if you're coming to Columbus, give me a call and you could stop by if we're around!

James

my Girlfriend is a digital arts major and would love to take some pictures of your tank. She is always looking for a new tank to take pics of.

pm me the Info and we can set up something one of these weekends.


Nick

[ReefDent]

Here's an okay shot of the smaller clone from the yellow BTA from Serdar. It wasn't quite as impressive as the "parent," but it's still cool. The yellow color is definitely more pronounced in person than the pic shows. It also varies from day to day, somedays more yellow, and when the tenticles are shorter, it's more yellow.

Someone bought the bigger one out from under me, lol!!!

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/3759IMG_1698.jpg

James

[Slakker]

Looks sweet in there with the RBTAs...I hope it does well for you. Hopefully we'll have lots of healthy clones of this variety going around in a couple of years.

[sirjohn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10550236#post10550236 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Casshern
I wouldn't doubt anything in nature. Any color is possible.

That should be the end of THAT discussion.

It never fails to amuse me when humans make absolute statements about nature, actually believing they know all of God's (or nature's, as you prefer) secrets.

Not an attack on Dawson, just a reminder that when it comes to nature, it really is true that "the only thing we know, is that we know nothing".

[enchie]

What a great read. I laughed several times.

[GSMguy]

Bump

[elegance coral]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1986/copyofsn851491editedji0.jpg

[elegance coral]

I have spent countless hours in the waters around the Fl. Keys. The Flower/rock/crucifer anemone can be found in about any color you can think of, even yellow like the one posted earlier in this thread. I don't think there is a color that is off limits for sea anemones.

[blownz281]

Family has a house in Cudjoe key. he went diving years ago along the street acouple miles down towards marathon and we saw 100 or more lost count of flower/rock anemones all different colors on a cement barrier. by our house condy,carpets,curlyque. never saw and pest nems,or antlers. its pretty neat but a bright yellow would be cooler. i plan to get another BTA eventually as my GBTA just isn't colorful enough and needs a buddy. :)

[kimsie]

Wow - what a fun thread! Thanks for bumping it up! A great read - fun and very informative...

[drtrash]

What am I looking at? I pulled up link and all I saw was a pink BTA, what am I missing.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12476989#post12476989 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drtrash
What am I looking at? I pulled up link and all I saw was a pink BTA, what am I missing.


huh?

[drtrash]

My bad, computer at work would pull up original photo.

[05TurboS2K]

Uhmmm all these photos look greenISH yellow to me. Excluding some that are with a flash.

As a seasoned Photoshop user and Hobby-level Photographer I wouldn't believe anything I didn't see in person.

I've done some basic diving INCLUDING BALI since my wife and I are considering moving there. I've NEVER seen a yellow anemone. I've seen plenty of greenish/yellow ones. However in actual natural lighting in the wild I've yet to witness one in any tropical environment. I would still believe there are no true yellow anemones.

I would also say that a LFS owner is typically going to support his claims and I'm affraid I can't take one's word as fact, especially over a 3rd party who's opinion is well respected and believed in the industry.

Lastly... GSMuy you sound quite arrogant when you already admit you made rude comments to someone when you were dead wrong in the past and now you aggressively fight with someone like Phender who has some real experience.


Just my .02 on the matter.

[maxxII]

I've done some basic diving INCLUDING BALI since my wife and I are considering moving there. I've NEVER seen a yellow anemone. I've seen plenty of greenish/yellow ones. However in actual natural lighting in the wild I've yet to witness one in any tropical environment. I would still believe there are no true yellow anemones.


What is "basic" diving?
Because you've never seen a yellow anemone diving, they dont exist? How many dives have you been on for frame of reference?
How deep were the greenish/yellow ones you saw in the wild? As a photographer and a diver, you should know that water filters out the red and yellow wavelengths of light at reletively shallow depths... 15 feet or deeper, yellow will appear more green to the human eye.

I would also say that a LFS owner is typically going to support his claims and I'm affraid I can't take one's word as fact, especially over a 3rd party who's opinion is well respected and believed in the industry.

I would agree with you regarding LFS owners typically supporting their claims, but who is the well respected 3rd party who is disagreeing with the LFS? Phender? The only posts I saw along those lines are these two from the 1st page:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10540672#post10540672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
Really? Because I had a yellow haddoni carpet for 7 years. My mertens carpet had yellow tips and so does one of the BTAs I currently have.
http://home.earthlink.net/~philhenderson/ForSale/BTAGreenw_yellowClose.jpg

Not much of a stretch to imagine that the yellow could extend a little further down.

I do question their lighting and/or photoshop skills. The skunk clowns on that same page are a very odd color. The pink BTA looks a bit touched up as well.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10540819#post10540819 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
For a BTA to be that expensive in my book, it would have to be two things: rare and beautiful.

First, they have 2 of them, so maybe not that rare. Second, yellow, especially in this case is only a shade or two away from being brown.

At least zoas, echinos and acans are easy to keep. I would hate to see BTAs become the next big ticket item. Maybe they already have.

I dont see where Phender is disagreeing with either GSM guy or Serdar from PhishyBusiness. Could you clarify please?

Lastly... GSMuy you sound quite arrogant when you already admit you made rude comments to someone when you were dead wrong in the past and now you aggressively fight with someone like Phender who has some real experience.

Uhm....are we reading the same thread or are you confusing Dawman with GSM guy??

Might want to re-read the thread, and then apologize for that last statement....cause that's not what happened.

Nick

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12491733#post12491733 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 05TurboS2K


Lastly... GSMuy you sound quite arrogant when you already admit you made rude comments to someone when you were dead wrong in the past and now you aggressively fight with someone like Phender who has some real experience.


Just my .02 on the matter.


trust me you have no idea what happened in this thread.

[mobert]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/3913IMG_4313__Medium_.JPG

What do you think? Here it is actinics only. It is very fluorescent yellow in real life. Under regular lights it looks more ordinary.

[GSMguy]

wow nice anemone, i hope i find one someday.

[05TurboS2K]

As far as Diving.... father has been diving since age 20... hes 50 or so now. I've grown up with the sport surrounding me through him. Directly and on my own my time in the water is limited but I'd say safely I have about 100hrs in the waters around Bali.

As neither photographer nor diver, nor graphic artist instead with only experience the fact that yellow is quickly filtered out even in shallow depth is fact to me. Being a bit of all of those it's even more blatantly obvious. To my own eyes the yellow begins to fade immediately and progressively, at just 10 feet it becomes apparent depending on daylight of course and then by 25 feet it is quite obvious to even a newbie. I much agree with your statement there. HOWEVER it is easy to see what we "know as green" when your at depth and then compare that to a "yellow" as seen with the human eye.

NEVER did I say it didn't exist... I simply stated my own personal experience.

Now as for my misread..... I'll read back through perhaps I mixed a name and got a non-existent opinion. I'll reply on that in a minute I'm a bit busy at this very moment.

[maxxII]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495006#post12495006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 05TurboS2K
As far as Diving.... father has been diving since age 20... hes 50 or so now. I've grown up with the sport surrounding me through him. Directly and on my own my time in the water is limited but I'd say safely I have about 100hrs in the waters around Bali.

As neither photographer nor diver, nor graphic artist instead with only experience the fact that yellow is quickly filtered out even in shallow depth is fact to me. Being a bit of all of those it's even more blatantly obvious. To my own eyes the yellow begins to fade immediately and progressively, at just 10 feet it becomes apparent depending on daylight of course and then by 25 feet it is quite obvious to even a newbie. I much agree with your statement there. HOWEVER it is easy to see what we "know as green" when your at depth and then compare that to a "yellow" as seen with the human eye.

NEVER did I say it didn't exist... I simply stated my own personal experience.

Now as for my misread..... I'll read back through perhaps I mixed a name and got a non-existent opinion. I'll reply on that in a minute I'm a bit busy at this very moment.

After Dawman's tempertantrums, can you understand why you got called out on your post?

Regardless, I'm jealous of your chance to move to Bali. I'd love to dive or snorkel in that part of the world...

Nick

[05TurboS2K]

ahhh yes....twas the case, My apologies there, dead wrong. Rarely occurs as I'm active on many types of forums but it happens.

As for Bali, I've much preparation to do still but it seems quite easy to survive there and highly affordable in some aspects.

[05TurboS2K]

oh and to Dawnman.....my comments foward then to you!

sorry! :)

[GSMguy]

What's nice is how polite people are on reef central compared to other forums like car forums, you would have been flamed heavily for that simple misunderstanding anywhere else.

Anyway apology accepted, i never took offense. :) Have fun Diving in bali that is one of my dreams i have never gotten the chance do dive in the south pacific it must be amazing compared to the Caribbean also lots of new wrecks where most of the wrecks in the Caribbean are around 80 or more years old the pacific has WW2 wrecks that must be amazing dives.


BTW i feel really bad for being rude to Phil as a n00b.