New Products...

[euroreef]

The following posts will preview some of the new products were are working on. Many of them will be shown at Reef-A-Palooza and of course MACNA. We cannot answer a lot of questions regarding them, but we will comment were necessary.

Enjoy :)

[euroreef]

Some pictures of the RS-450: 30" tall, 10" diameter. Estimated Street Price is $798 +/-.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/4664/12275RS450-SM-015.JPG

Using 2 x SP5 (GX6000) pumps with Euro-Wheel impeller
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/4664/12275RS450-SM-013.JPG

Each pump pulls about 19lpm air with the Euro-Wheel. That's a total of 2300 lph
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/4664/12275RS450-SM-017.JPG

[euroreef]

The RS350 will be ready to test tomorrow... Estimated Street Price is $698 +/-

[Jim_S]

Once again, very nice work!!!

I assume the RC models will follow?

[euroreef]

RC350 will come soon... We are having the PVC plates made now. it will be 3-4 weeks... 2XEHEIM 1262 at 26" tall.

We also got our first order for four (4) RC4000's!!! We're having fun now!!! Pictures will come when they are ready for testing.

:):):)

[Jim_S]

:eek: :eek2: :eek:

RC4000.

Man, you gotta post some pics of those!

[orangekush4]

That is a monster.

[Lunchbucket]

HOLY COWS!!!

I want pics!!! I want to see Ca Rx pics.

Anything else fun coming out?

Custom sumps??

Lunchbucket

[reef / aholic]

Do you have any info on the RC350 and RC400 that you can release now?

[euroreef]

RoBolton,

What info are you looking for?

[reef / aholic]

rating, size, height, pumps, energy consuption, est cost ans release date.

[PJsStuff]

Got any pics of thsi RC4000???? I have a rc1000 and i love it!

[euroreef]

We are building the RC4000's this week. Should be ready for pics early next week.

-Jeff

[euroreef]

RoBolton,

We will be posting all those specs very soon on our website.

Stay tuned :)

-Jeff

[skimmy]

:( :( please tell me that the hang on skimmer is almost done...
i cant handle this abysmal collection of poser hang on skimmers available to us anymore. i've even considered trying one of those rouge wave skimmers from that mediocre skimmer company.

please ER, help me help myself.....:sad2:

LOL

[davelina24]

Any truth to the rumor that you are coming out with a sequence pump on a RC250,350 or 500?

[Jim_S]

I would think a sequence pump would be a little overkill on a 250.... maybe on the 500 though...

[euroreef]

davelina24,

The RC350 will have (2) Eheims. We are testing the Dart pumps on current 12" and a couple of 16" diameter skimmer prototypes, but officially we are not offering them yet. We will likely offer an all acrylic skimmer that is comparable in size to the RC500-1000 with the new 5.5" Euro-Loc which will be more price competitive with other skimmers of similiar size/ price.

The 16" diameter skimmers are likely to bridge the gap between the RC1000 the new skimmer in production, the RC4000, which should be ready for pics in a week or so. We will post them here asap. The RC4000 is 18" in diameter and 80" tall (we had a prototype at MACNA XVIII - last year) The RC4000 will be run by (1) Reeflo Barracuda pump with either the pinwheel from Reeflo, or own modified impeller based upon performance results.

-Jeff

[PJsStuff]

Holy Crap! 80" TAll! Thats Crazy!

[davelina24]

ok....so I have a 225 with 60 gal sump, heavily stocked...should I look at the RC500 or wait until you finish the RC350? Will they be similar size with just 2 eheims vs 3 eheims? I certainly don't need a RC1000 or 4000...lol...but I'm sick cause I can't wait to see it!

[HiFi#1]

Is it true that Euro Reef is going to be making Calcium Reactors :eek: ? Now that would be cool :cool: along with the other Euro reef new products :dance:

[Lunchbucket]

Yeah I'm ready to see the calcium reactors!!!

Lunchbucket

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10553383#post10553383 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by euroreef

Using 2 x SP5 (GX6000) pumps with Euro-Wheel impeller
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/4664/12275RS450-SM-013.JPG

Each pump pulls about 19lpm air with the Euro-Wheel. That's a total of 2300 lph
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/4664/12275RS450-SM-017.JPG [/B]

Is this the new impellar you guys are designing to replace the one in the current Gen-X 6000 pump? Sounds like it pulls a little more air, too?

[euroreef]

tbone28,

We aren't designing new impellers for the GEN-X pumps, though we are working on some interesting ideas. What will be new for the GEN-X pumps are the rotor assemblies.

The standard rotor assembly is not very well made and causes a lot of noise. Our new design will eliminate basically all the noise that the current rotor generates. The pump will not be silent, but it will be a LOT quieter and still as powerful as it is now.

We are working on an official statement to be published on our website and here in our RC forum as well.

-Jeff

[tbone28]

Cool, miscommunication had me thinking you were redesigning the impellar, not the rotar assembly.

So what is this Euro-wheel impellar then? Is it an upgrade? How is it different that what I have now?

[davelina24]

how soon will the rc350 be available?

[HiFi#1]

I wish I knew about the rc350. I would have waited for it. It would have been a better size for my tank. My rc250 is doing just fine though. Maybe ER will have a trade up program ;) .

[euroreef]

RC350 will be available to order in Nov. :)

-Jeff

[hahnmeister]

So is Euroreef ever going to make a bubble plate skimmer?

[Buddyboy]

Working on a HOB skimmer I hear? :p Yay? Nay?

[Jim_S]

http://www.euro-reef.com/defaultImages/Pics/Nano/Nano-with-Skimmate-4-16-07-001.jpg

http://www.euro-reef.com/defaultImages/Pics/Nano/Nano-with-Skimmate-4-16-07-.jpg

[euroreef]

hahn,

Regarding "bubble plate/ diffuser" skimmers, we have a new line coming in shortly (NOV+/-) that it is intended to be an economy model. It uses the Hailea pump with a needle-wheel. They are very quiet but, in the current configuration, they don't take in the kind of air that our RS series do. They are, however, far more affordable- so it is a matter of a trade off with the price/performance value.

We are working on improving the performance of the pump, but there are certain limitations to what can be done with standard pumps. Getting the pumps custom made is not an option because the volume is too low. The mesh/ brush wheel looks like it may be a good option, but we must be able to produce them in a consistent, uniform fashion. Until then, it will be needle-wheel.

-Jeff

[hahnmeister]

Since you brought it up, why not make your own pumps. I mean, not from scratch, but to modify existing motor blocks with custom volutes, impellers, and outlets... exactly like Royal Exclusiv does with the Red Dragons. It doesnt have to cost $900 per pump either.

I am working with two other mfg's right now in developing pumps like this.

[Buddyboy]

Great!!! And these nano skimmers will fit under a BioCube's hood in a back chamber??? If they do, I think ER will sell lots of these!!!

[euroreef]

Hahn,

Which mfrs?

-Jeff

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10869127#post10869127 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28

So what is this Euro-wheel impellar then? Is it an upgrade? How is it different that what I have now?

bump :rollface:

[euroreef]

tbone28,

The current Euro-Reef impeller is the Euro-Wheel. It was introduced late last year. What color is the impeller you have on your RS250's SP5 pump?

-Jeff

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10884104#post10884104 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by euroreef
tbone28,

The current Euro-Reef impeller is the Euro-Wheel. It was introduced late last year. What color is the impeller you have on your RS250's SP5 pump?

-Jeff

Jeff, It's a light gray/silver color.

[skimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10881002#post10881002 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by euroreef
hahn,

It uses the Hailea pump with a needle-wheel. They are very quiet but, in the current configuration, they don't take in the kind of air that our RS series do.
-Jeff

jeff,
sorry to be a nay-sayer, but...the halia pumps are total garbage, they are worse than the gen-x pumps by far...
you telling me that you get them cheaper than the gen-x/resun pumps?
because they truly would be an upgrade over the halia pumps....
that metric outlet plumbing is just too small, and the pump is too damn big...
and didnt they just switch to using even crappier motors inside???
that doesnt sound like much of a value....:confused:

the rs series is already pretty inexpensive and a great deal anyway, we really dont need another octopus skimmer...

just bail on the value series and get that hang on done! lol:)

[skimmy]

BTW, that nano looks sweet!!!
what is the pump on it, and can we get a full body shot?
and do you guys have the dimentions? :)

[euroreef]

koraltek,

I'd like to know more about your concerns with the Hilea pump.

Just so you know, we won't be using the actual Hilea pump as it is made at Hilea, but rather a customized version of it. The outlets on the pump are too small, and we have modified them to make them as large as possible. Adding a mesh-wheel on them has improved performance by about 25% and based upon the size of the bodies they are going on, they are an ok match. Once we get the mesh-wheel assemblies dialed in, we iwll have them available as an upgrade to the product.

The one thing about that we like is that they are very quiet and in addition, seem to have a good track record for service.

Have you heard of any major service issues with this pump?

-Jeff

[davelina24]

What is going to be the differences in the new RC350 vs the Rc250 and RC500....is it just the number of pumps?

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10885055#post10885055 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
Jeff, It's a light gray/silver color.

Which impellar do I have?

[euroreef]

tbone,

The latest version, you're good to go! :)

[euroreef]

daveline24,

The RC350 is 10" in diameter and abut 28" tall. It will have 2x EHEIM 1262 pumps.

-Jeff

[hahnmeister]

http://www.hailea.com/E-hailea/product-1/HX-6510.htm

The hailea HX-65 pump is a clone of the Octopus, or rather, they are clones of the Oceanrunners. Their outlets can be enlarged, but the greatest limiting factor for these pumps is their impeller well volumes. The volute/impeller well capacity determines the most (right with the outlet diameter) how much air a needlewheel will handle. Even eheim 1260/62s are limited in this area in that you cant go doing volute swapping like you can with Askoll and Sicce pumps. If you could get a slightly larger volute on an eheim 1262 somehow... I have no doubt they would pull 2000lph of air as a needlewheel... since the impeller/motor has enough torque to spin a pretty large impeller. Same for the Oceanrunners and their clones... they will just never get much above 800lph because their volutes just arent big enough.

It depends on which version of the Hailea ER is talking about, because if you use the link above, you will see the HX-88 series which is a Gen-X/Sedra clone as well.

http://www.pentairaquatics.com/products/detail/quiet_one/Q1_3000.html

Another option is the Sicce made Quiet One 3000... a pump that is really the same as a Sicce PSK 2500 inside (shares the same overall design as the PSK, but it can also be external). Its not an eheim, but its loads better than any Gen-X, Octopus, etc...

Making custom volutes for Askoll/Laguna pumps still seems to be the best route to go though. Yeah, they are large pumps... but the 2400 can do 3400lph with just the stock volute. A custom one (like Klaus's Red Dragons) would put it up there with a Dart. Im working on a custom volute for the Laguna 4200gph model... this thing has some serious potential... Im thinking 5000lph of air easily with a 4" ID custom volute (in the works).

The companies? Well... one is US, and one is EU. Thats all I can say. Both want a pump that can compete with the Eheims quality-wise, but for less $$$. Can do.

[skimmy]

excellent point hahn,
that hx-88 series would be probably alot better.
and, if ER has addressed the small outlet issue, and actually matches the skimmer body right(like i know they can), and uses a mesh wheel, the effect of the crappy motor and too small impellar well on the ocean runner style pumps might be mostly negated.
especially if the price is seriously reduced as ER suggested it might be.:)

[skimmy]

but i too would like to see it with the qo3000, great inexpensive pump for meshing. you could probably get a great deal on them too;)

[hahnmeister]

What would be really nice to see is a US made DC asperating pump. OASE makes DC pond pumps, and from the thee OASE pumps I have right now (for my mother's pond), I can tell you that they would make good saltwater/skimmer pumps as long as they are saltwater safe because they are reliable, large volute, and large inlet/outlet... what matters most (besides speed). Thats why a Sicce PSK2500 can perform just as well as an eheim 1262 with regards to output... same volute, outlet, etc. You can actually swap their volute covers...lol. DC pumps are just more efficient, can be tuned to fit a wider range of skimmers, dont have startup issues due to toque, etc. Most of all, they dont take a nosedive in efficiency when converted to needlewheels. Sure, the RMS wattage drops, but the real power shoots up. And while this may mean little to your electric bill, it means your skimmer just became a waterheater and will be more prone to failure, as well as calcium buildup. None of that annoying 60hz hum either.

As the dollar keeps falling, the price of pumps from the EU are going to get higher and higher. The 1262 has already jumped in price a bunch. Its time for the US to develop a good skimmer pump... and no, not the Dart. For the wattage, its not earning its keep exactly, and it doesnt have a very good air/water ratio. Good, but not great.

[reef / aholic]

Do you have any information on the calcium reactor and fluidized reactor.

[Reefologist]

Hahn, it is great to see a person with your depth of knowledge of pumps,sharing info with ER. The Dart pumps etc...aren't submersible are they? Even on an external skimmer, pumps that can't get wet scare me.

[mavgi]

hahnmeister:

The OASE pump are not for saltwater , they are expensive and they have wing impeller which it's not for quick mod...

the ones that look like the lagune are expensive to and use more watt ...
the Neptun 5000 look nice but again the price and the impeller are to expensive for the mod...

[PJsStuff]

any RC4000 pics yet????

[EuroReef Tec1]

YUP! http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1216836

[hahnmeister]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10896538#post10896538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
hahnmeister:

The OASE pump are not for saltwater , they are expensive and they have wing impeller which it's not for quick mod...

the ones that look like the lagune are expensive to and use more watt ...
the Neptun 5000 look nice but again the price and the impeller are to expensive for the mod...

Yeah, they arent cheap. But they have been going through some massive product replacement... so I wonder if they are all still unsafe for saltwater. Just something to look at.

I cant remember, but someone told me who makes the motors for the Red Dragon 2 pumps. That would be interesting...

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10896583#post10896583 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
I cant remember, but someone told me who makes the motors for the Red Dragon 2 pumps. That would be interesting...

Try to remember and don't forget to tell us....:lol:


Jeff here it's the video :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/th_PIC_0046.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/?action=view&current=PIC_0046.flv)


here how the skimmer look like :

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/mavgi/PIC_0161.jpg

[hahnmeister]

Mavgi... it might be messner of Germany.

http://www.messner-pumpen.de/index.php?parent=33&sub=yes&idcat=33&idlang=2

Not sure, but looking into it. Its time for the US to start making a good submersable DC asperating pump, dont you think? If the $US keeps falling, all the good pumps from Germany/Italy will end up costing waaay too much ($400 eheim 1262 needlewheels anyone? Or would you prefer the $1000 Red Dragon?), and when the Chinese catch up in economic development, their copies will no longer be as cheap.

There is really no good reason why we cant make something better. I think I found a good US source for the 24v DC motors as well. Im thinking 3" diameter volute (bit larger than eheim 1260/62-SiccePSK2500-Quiet One 3000), 4000rpm max, 1800-2000lph air, 25-30watts DC. No more startup sputter/torque issues, unidirectional operation, no power factor or efficiency (heat) problems, less noise...

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10969496#post10969496 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
Mavgi... it might be messner of Germany.

http://www.messner-pumpen.de/index.php?parent=33&sub=yes&idcat=33&idlang=2

I think I found a good US source for the 24v DC motors as well. Im thinking 3" diameter volute (bit larger than eheim 1260/62-SiccePSK2500-Quiet One 3000), 4000rpm max, 1800-2000lph air, 25-30watts DC. No more startup sputter/torque issues, unidirectional operation, no power factor or efficiency (heat) problems, less noise...

Good news hahnmeister send me PM with that pump info i will test it and see how it's perform .

[hahnmeister]

I dont see the pump on their site. I was informed by someone that messner might be making the block for RE.

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10970618#post10970618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
I dont see the pump on their site. I was informed by someone that messner might be making the block for RE.


no , i talk about the 24v DC motors pump 4000rpm max, 1800-2000lph air, 25-30watts that you find....

i send you PM check that .

[hahnmeister]

Oh, you cant order that pump anyhere! I have to make it!

[skimmy]

man, WHEN are you going to make your own line of skimmers and pumps??? WHEN???:rolleyes:

im sure euro would be interested :)

[euroreef]

Well.. you can't order a pump like that... yet..... :)

[hahnmeister]

I think I found a possible candidate. A 12/24v 48 watt submersable pump. Right now it runs with 1/2" inlet and outlet for only 800gph (high pressure). But Im guessing with an enlarged volute and inlet/outlets, it would hit 1600-2000gph, maybe 1500-2000lph of air. Its a stainless shaft driven, chemical safe motor, so making a custom volute/impeller would be pretty easy.

[Rwinfrey]

found my own pics would like to see more:D ;)

[hahnmeister]

I think this small DC pump will perform nicely... it gets up to 6500rpm... whoah! at 24v. Its powerful enough though to run an eheim needlewheel on, perhaps a threadwheel. Now that I know the torque/power of the pump, I can put a volute back on... make it 1" in/out and about 3" diameter, maybe 1" thick.

The pump is also very quiet, and runs very cool. I think it was designed for computer water cooling in the first place, but it is saltwater safe. Even just running it at 24v, its got some torque. Kind of a shocker for such a small pump... if fits in the palm of my hand.

[Detritivore]

hello euro-reef,

are the new developments for the RS/value series in production yet? i just sold a deltec that was too big for my 125g so i am in the market for a new skimmer. i'd like to buy american-made this time around. i was looking at the RS series but if you have some new things that you're working on (mesh-wheels, better pumps, etc.) then i will wait, since no one seems to have the RS in stock anyway.

thanks!

[reef / aholic]

Any updates on the RC-350 and RC-450. Do you have any pictures, price or better yet any specifications for them? Also any updates on the calcium reactors or media reactors.

[malawinovice]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11359196#post11359196 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Detritivore
hello euro-reef,

are the new developments for the RS/value series in production yet? i just sold a deltec that was too big for my 125g so i am in the market for a new skimmer. i'd like to buy american-made this time around. i was looking at the RS series but if you have some new things that you're working on (mesh-wheels, better pumps, etc.) then i will wait, since no one seems to have the RS in stock anyway.

thanks!

Yes, I also am in the market for the RS series, but looking at the RS 80.

Any updates??
Any plans to incorporate a bubble plate?


Thanks

[Rwinfrey]

If you are looking at the rs 80 I think you better get it before they are gone euroreef will correct me if I am wrong but I believe they will no longer make that line.

[Buddyboy]

Really? Where did you hear this Rwinfrey? Any idea which ER skimmer will fill this niche instead?

[marrone]

I'm looking to buy a RS135, should I hold off?

[Rwinfrey]

I heard it from euro reef

[euroreef]

We are working on updates and changes to the RS series, but they are not confirmed, and if they are implemented to will not be for at least 2-3 months.

RS80-P are available on our website for $198 (http://commerce03.i2net.com/able55new/stores/111/RS80-P-Protein-Skimmer-P400C4.aspx)

RS135's are available on our website for $328 (http://commerce03.i2net.com/able55new/stores/111/RS135-Protein-Skimmer-P3C4.aspx)

-Jeff

[marrone]

Can you tell me what the are changes and is it worth it to weight until they're release?


I'm currently running a E5-3 on my 90gal, had it original on my 58gal, and even though it works very well it's undersized for that size tank, so I want to upgrade.

thanks
Michael

[euroreef]

Various design updates are being considered. One thing I can tell you is that the pumps we have been using (GEN-X specifically) on the RS Series are now being purchased direct with modifications/ customizations being made to the pump at the mfr before it ships here.

We have also designed our own rotor assembly that will replace the pumps original factory rotor (which is notoriously inconsistent in balance). This will quiet the pump down SUBSTANTIALLY by minimizing vibration and this will, it turn, dramatically affect the amount of resonant noise generated by most aquariums, especially those with wooden cabinets that can actually act as SPEAKERS when it comes to resonance.

These pumps will be available as upgrades for older skimmers and it will not only be quiet, but powerful too.

You can be assured that the Euro-Reef skimmer you buy today is going to be one of the best you've ever owned, it will be that way for many years!

-Jeff

[marrone]

The RS135 comes with the Sedra 5000, so I'm not sure how that will effected by this change. I'm also not worried that much about the noise or vibration just that the pump works for a long time.

I'm sure the skimmer will work very well, my E5-3 still works very well, the concern I have is purchasing the skimmer and having a new and better model coming out shortly after I purchase it, not to mention the price being cheaper on the older models.

[NewSchool04]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11602084#post11602084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by euroreef
Various design updates are being considered. One thing I can tell you is that the pumps we have been using (GEN-X specifically) on the RS Series are now being purchased direct with modifications/ customizations being made to the pump at the mfr before it ships here.

We have also designed our own rotor assembly that will replace the pumps original factory rotor (which is notoriously inconsistent in balance). This will quiet the pump down SUBSTANTIALLY by minimizing vibration and this will, it turn, dramatically affect the amount of resonant noise generated by most aquariums, especially those with wooden cabinets that can actually act as SPEAKERS when it comes to resonance.

These pumps will be available as upgrades for older skimmers and it will not only be quiet, but powerful too.

You can be assured that the Euro-Reef skimmer you buy today is going to be one of the best you've ever owned, it will be that way for many years!

-Jeff

So if I bought a brand new RS 180 in Nov. of 2007 I will have to BUY another pump that is quiet and doesn't sound like a mini washer machine in my sump? Eventhough the pump that came with the skimmer is "notoriously inconsistent in balance"?

[euroreef]

You won't need to buy another pump. The rotor assembly is what is being custom made and that will be available separately. That will quiet your current pump.

This new rotor will be an UPGRADE from the existing product, not a fix. As it is we hand check every rotor assembly that comes in from the factory GENX pumps and throw out the unusable ones.

When we release the new design we will have special upgrade pricing on the complete pumps and the rotor assemblies. The special pricing will be for original, registered warranty holders that have purchased within a specified period of time.

I hope that clarifies any concerns you have.

-Jeff

[NewSchool04]

when will the new rotor be released and any idea on pricing?

[euroreef]

No release date set though we hope to make it available within a few months. We have 10 pc of each size coming (SP2, SP3/SP4 & SP5) in for testing and will base our release on the results. No pricing as of yet.

-Jeff

[Fishbulb2]

So I assume the rotor assembly will also be made available for the Sedra 3500 and not just the GenX pumps right? I will be very happy when this becomes available!
Subscribing to this thread for sure.

[euroreef]

The ER-SP2 rotor will work for both the GX2400 and the SEDRA KSP3500A/ KSP5000N.

-Jeff

[cancun1981]

what happend to the rc350¿¿¿ its not lister in your web page. thnx

[cancun1981]

what happend to the rc350¿¿¿ its not listed in your web page. thnx

[euroreef]

cancun1981,

It is not in production at this time.

-Jeff

[hahnmeister]

So.... any news on the bubble plate skimmers?

[Fishbulb2]

Also, any news on the new rotors?

[euroreef]

Hanhn,

I have some pics and specs I will be posting in our new forum later this week.

Fishbulb,

The samples of the new rotors should arrive in the next few days. As soon as we have them we will post results in our new forum.