The Wireless Wave Driver is Coming

[Brent Thomann]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10613609#post10613609 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Labman48076
and do another thread when the 2nd batch arrives getting frustrating

that would actually make things less frustrating!

wouldn't have to keep checking in (since I am Subscribed to this tread) ever time this thread is updated with bs. Would have to check in only once and that would be when they update the locked thread saying its available again.

Thank You.
Brent

[sditch]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10615510#post10615510 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by serpentman
Please don't take this the wrong way, but actually, I think those of us that have to wait for the new production batches are in a better position. As much as I would like to be first in line with a new technology, it isn't always all its cracked up to be. For those of you that recall, the initial batches of these pumps had their share of issues.

Personally, I would like to get some feedback from the initial users before purchasing the upgrades. I have no doubt they will work, however, if there are any bugs, I really don't want the hassle. Also, I would suggest to those out there that do get the upgrade, you might want to hold onto at least 1 old driver should a problem arise. Definitely worth the $50.


LOL.....I was thinking the same thing :) My poor friend bought two of them when they first came out and he had so much trouble with them he went with Tunze 6100 on his new tank buildout. I got mine about 8 months later and have now where near the problems he had. The support from IceCap has been great for me though when i did have a issue or quistion :)

[GSMguy]

i am worried that the controller could have problems but i am an early adopter i got my 6025 nano streams the day they came out and i dont regret it even though they did need replacement a couple months later. i have to have the new stuff.

[Brent Thomann]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10617693#post10617693 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
i have to have the new stuff.

we all feel your pain as most of us have the bug!! This hobby can be addicting and take over!

[manderx]

wouldn't have to keep checking in (since I am Subscribed to this tread) ever time this thread is updated with bs.
then unsubscribe.

they aren't going to say a word about the next round until at the very earliest a week or two or three after the first round gets out in the wild, which is 2ish weeks from now. they are waiting to get back real world feedback from real world users before they commit to another factory run with the current design. otherwise they would have already placed the order with the factory for the second run due to all the obvious demand and would already have an expected date.

just relax. we've waited this long. what's a bit more.

[thrlride]

I wish I would have ordered four now, I was only going to buy three pumps but upped it.

[Brent Thomann]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10622120#post10622120 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by manderx
then unsubscribe.



just relax. we've waited this long. what's a bit more.

manderx, you're a bit confused as I have no problem waiting, I am not the one who is posting about being frustrated. I was just trying to help explain to the dude what the locked thread would be for, backing up AS & Ecotech.

Kindest Regards ;)
Brent

[todd rose]

Boy's, Boy's take a cigarette break...

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10627356#post10627356 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by todd rose
Boy's, Boy's take a cigarette break...

it wasn't that good. :)

[reef / aholic]

EcoTech Marine = Microsoft!!!

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10635495#post10635495 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RoBolton
EcoTech Marine = Microsoft!!!

Now that wasn't very nice at all!

How quickly has MS ever resolved a problem for you? I rest my case. :D

[KEstep]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10635702#post10635702 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
Now that wasn't very nice at all!

How quickly has MS ever resolved a problem for you? I rest my case. :D

No kidding. Microsoft sucks when it comes to help and they charge you for it every time AND they make sh*tty products from the get go. I cannot see this comparison between the two at all.

[TK3]

I want this just as much as anyone else, but man oh man what a bunch of whiners. Let EchoTech get their product out the way they need to, receive feedback, and fine tune the system/process.
Imagine the aftermath of fulfilling every order, and having to replace units - further delaying distribution.

Anyone here actually run a business and know what kind of work/planning goes into this? Perhaps the system could be improved, sure. I certainly wish I was on some list. But guess what - I wasn't. Get over it. Move on. Get in on the next round. Make suggestions (like locked a thread). But stop crying. It's pathetic.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10638955#post10638955 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3
I want this just as much as anyone else, but man oh man what a bunch of whiners.

Now you've done it, ruined my niche. I was just getting ready to sell cheese on this thread. :D

[jnarowe]

TK3:

[welcome]

And yes some of us do run businesses! :D

Cheese Barry? I got some cheese for ya!

[thrlride]

Everyone, our work is done. We were able to make someone post for the first time on RC over people whining. Welcome to RC TK3, I'm glad some of us could help you contribute.

[invincible569]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10638955#post10638955 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3
I want this just as much as anyone else, but man oh man what a bunch of whiners. Let EchoTech get their product out the way they need to, receive feedback, and fine tune the system/process.
Imagine the aftermath of fulfilling every order, and having to replace units - further delaying distribution.

Anyone here actually run a business and know what kind of work/planning goes into this? Perhaps the system could be improved, sure. I certainly wish I was on some list. But guess what - I wasn't. Get over it. Move on. Get in on the next round. Make suggestions (like locked a thread). But stop crying. It's pathetic.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I have been watching Tim respond to some posts and has really kept the herd backed up very good. The positive side to all of this is that Ecotech must be feeling very proud that their product is taking off so well with high demand.

[fishdoc11]

Well now I know why all those Tunzes have been in the for sale forum:p

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10639286#post10639286 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe

Cheese Barry? I got some cheese for ya!

I'm not talkin' that Fumunda stuff! :lol:

[melev]

fishdoc11, I saw the same thing on DFWMAS.

[Philwd]

Glad I sold my Tunze setup a year ago.

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10639808#post10639808 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishdoc11
Well now I know why all those Tunzes have been in the for sale forum:p

Yep, I'm one of 'em.

[TK3]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10639654#post10639654 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thrlride
Everyone, our work is done. We were able to make someone post for the first time on RC over people whining. Welcome to RC TK3, I'm glad some of us could help you contribute.

That should indicate how annoying it is to sift through page after page of absolutle nonsense. I think many people here are looking for controller information, a second run release date, and a forum to provide Ecotech with feedback so they can better serve customers.

If you (or anyone else) is unsatisfied with the company or the way they decide to operate - don't buy their products. Clearly enough people like what they're offering or the first run wouldn't have sold out as fast as it did.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to getting one. My experience with them has been tremendous.

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Ecotech: Something to do that would answer questions (including my own). Any chance of adding the manual to the Support section of your site? Perhaps post the URL on RC if you guys don't want it linked from the main site just yet?

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10641008#post10641008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3


Ecotech: Something to do that would answer questions (including my own). Any chance of adding the manual to the Support section of your site? Perhaps post the URL on RC if you guys don't want it linked from the main site just yet?

Good thinking 99.

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10641008#post10641008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3
That should indicate how annoying it is to sift through page after page of absolutle nonsense. I think many people here are looking for controller information, a second run release date, and a forum to provide Ecotech with feedback so they can better serve customers.

If you (or anyone else) is unsatisfied with the company or the way they decide to operate - don't buy their products. Clearly enough people like what they're offering or the first run wouldn't have sold out as fast as it did.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to getting one. My experience with them has been tremendous.

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Ecotech: Something to do that would answer questions (including my own). Any chance of adding the manual to the Support section of your site? Perhaps post the URL on RC if you guys don't want it linked from the main site just yet?

I'm with you, I was just poking fun. I had ordered three controllers and now I've ordered four pumps so I need another controller. Hopefully they'll release that info soon so I could be prepared.

[melev]

It looks like those of you that didn't order your VorTechs just got a good reason to buy 'em.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1193808

[jnarowe]

geez...that is a sweet deal.

[thrlride]

oops, too late. Would have been nice to get that to make up for getting burned on the shipped of wireless drivers.

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10641008#post10641008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TK3

Ecotech: Something to do that would answer questions (including my own). Any chance of adding the manual to the Support section of your site? Perhaps post the URL on RC if you guys don't want it linked from the main site just yet?

I think we'll likely have it up on the web once the first drivers start shipping.

-Tim

[Sparkss]

After sifting through all of this and taking a couple of days to process it I had a couple of questions.

I read how the drivers will synch up and one will become the master and one the slave, but in reading it I was struck that this colution is really only valid for smaller tanks. Those with larger layouts and/or more complex Vortec placement designs really won't benefit from most of these features (IE: pumps on backwall as well as side walls). The random one might prove beneficial though. Would my assessment be accurate that this soution is only really intended for the smaller tanks ? and that possibly the "full blown wireless controller" will be the answer for those of us with larger tanks ?

I did not see if there was a way to disable the communication between the pumps, IE: if you wanted 2 to use the "random" pattern and a 3rd one to pulse. From how I read the original post that would not be possible if all of the drivers "connected" to each other. Did I mis-read something ?

EDIT : I found my own answer by more carefully re-reading the original post : Multiple master pumps can be set up on different wireless frequencies for infinite wave control possibilities. But this brings up another question : How many frequency/wireless pump "networks" can we have ?

I know that you mentioned not wanting to talk about the functionality of the new drivers, but that is of course the focal point for most of us and the reason that we bought Vortecs in the first place :). I would hope that we don't have to wait until next Tuesday to hear back from the users on the actual features nad what it can and cannot do. Throw us a bone here :). I would love to hear how it will handle a stall, for example. We still periodically have ours stall (but then again any in-tank powerhead will). I just wanted to know how the new driver will handle that. Typically unplugging and plugging the driver back in clears the stall.. would the driver be able to detect and affect that "cycle" itself maybe ?

Last question about the driver itself : Will any of the features that were dicussed previously, but did not appear to make it to this release, be included in updates ? Or included in the wireless controller ? and on that note, is the wireless controller still on the agenda for a 2007 release ?

EDIT : IE: night mode, pump monitoring for stalls, true random (surges, then pulse, then tidal, etc). Also the topic of programming in our own wave patterns was discussed at length some time ago, is that a dead topic now ?

And about release date/shipping, why was Sept 1 chosen ? Being a Saturday FedEx charges extra for Saturday pickup, and other than overnight servcies they typically don't leave their wearhouses until the next business day (in this case that would be the following Tuesday). Being a holiday weekend it just adds days to the delivery time unless a premium is paid, and even that won't get the drivers to anyone prior to Tuesday. So I was just curious as to why that day/date was selected, since it seems to delay the delivery and also add in an additional charge ? Hopefully the typical premium that FedEx charges for Saturday pickup will be waived, but that also may explain the higher than expected shipping fees ?


I hope that we can make it onto the 2nd round of the new drivers, like others I am perplexed as to why the only notification was this thread, but I am sure that they had their reasons. And I am not trying to be negative at all, just trying to understand all of the facets of the new drivers. We have 4 pumps, and I am considering a 5th, so please don't misunderstand the tone of my post or questions :)

[EcoTech Marine]

Tom-

Regarding functionality, I don't agree with your statement that the devices will not be useful on large tanks. The thing to remember is that the slaves can be set to sync or anti-sync, meaning that you can get some serious back and forth movements within your tank, as well as simple standing waves, or more complex standing waves. In a more complex standing wave, the wave is not just going left and right; you would have multiple waves going in a variety of directions, interfering or building upon one another to create truly random movement.

Any pump can be set as a master, a slave or an autonomous pump (meaning it will neither send nor receive signals). You can have up to 10 masters and 10 slaves for each master. This number could go up or down in the future.

It is likely that over time the code on the pumps will change. Assuming that a code revision is not required for any pump on the market, we will likely offer code upgrading for those customers who want a feature offered on a newer revision.

As for the Sept 1st date. The point was to state that pumps will ship after the beginning of September. As has been pointed out, that's a Saturday. Moreover, Monday is labor day. So it looks like September 4th now. I don't think anyone should be so concerned about the specific date. You've waited long enough; it's here. What's a few days?

-Tim

[AquariumSpecialty]

We can address this aspect...

We will ship the drivers the day they arrive to us. They will arrive on a weekday and we will ship it on a weekday. Also keep in mind they are engineers not distributors :D Also what Tim said above ^^^:)

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10643832#post10643832 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Tom-

Regarding functionality, I don't agree with your statement that the devices will not be useful on large tanks. The thing to remember is that the slaves can be set to sync or anti-sync, meaning that you can get some serious back and forth movements within your tank, as well as simple standing waves, or more complex standing waves. In a more complex standing wave, the wave is not just going left and right; you would have multiple waves going in a variety of directions, interfering or building upon one another to create truly random movement.

Any pump can be set as a master, a slave or an autonomous pump (meaning it will neither send nor receive signals). You can have up to 10 masters and 10 slaves for each master. This number could go up or down in the future.


EDIT : We already get decent random flow patterns from just having the pumps running opposing each other (two on the back and and one on each end). So I don't doubt that they would impove with these new drivers, I was more referring to an overall "wave solution", but even that I am having to back down off of my previous statement. But I did not mean to imply that Vortecs were not effective on a larger tank, just the new drivers, but again, I made that assessment without all of the information that I needed.

Tim, After closer reading of your first post I would have to agree that there are multiple flow opportunities, even for a large tank. I had not seen the fact that the pumps could be set to autonomous posted previously, I probably just missed it. I also had not caught the multiple master/slave "networks" aspect prior to my above post, and that obviously changes things dramatically :). But it also introduces other issues and concerns. Feed mode for example would then require interacting with two or more drivers versus just the one to enable feed mode on all of the pumps. This brings me back to my question about a central wireless controller. That would resolve this concern as well as provide a central view into how the tank/pumps are configured and make changing them easier. For those of us with larger tanks it could become increasingly difficult to keep track of what our current setting for each pump was (without visiting each driver and interpretting the LEDs), which in some cases may be easier said than done. Granted that is just a small subset of your customer base, but still I wanted to pose the question about the master controller.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10643832#post10643832 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine

It is likely that over time the code on the pumps will change. Assuming that a code revision is not required for any pump on the market, we will likely offer code upgrading for those customers who want a feature offered on a newer revision.


Will these upgrades be user applicable ? IE: if we have a PIC programmer can we DL the code and upgrade ourselves ? Does this dovetail in with the previous statements about users being able to "write their own programming" for wave creation ? Thanks :)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10643832#post10643832 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine


As for the Sept 1st date. The point was to state that pumps will ship after the beginning of September. As has been pointed out, that's a Saturday. Moreover, Monday is labor day. So it looks like September 4th now. I don't think anyone should be so concerned about the specific date. You've waited long enough; it's here. What's a few days?


Thanks for clarifying, I was just trying to understand if there was some other business, customer base or manufacturing motivator driving the Sept 1st date. :)


Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions. We can't wait to get our hands on these to see what we can get them to do for our tank. I do like your ideas about slowly building wave patterns interacting with each other. Would that be from the pulse mode (for all pumps) ? Would you consider starting a sticky thread for placement, usage and settings exchange amongst the user base ? To facilitate the sharing of what does and doesn't work for flow settings, etc ?

Thanks again :)

[melev]

I don't know why people like feed mode so much, as I've never found it beneficial to my reef. When I pour in the food each night, I allow the pumps to blast it all over the reef. The fish are in hot pursuit, and all my corals have the opportunity to capture floating particles in their polyps. What I always do is turn off the return pump so the food stays in the reef and not down in my sump. With this method, everything gets a meal, including my BTAs.

I didn't realize the feature of having more than one master controller. That is WAY cool. So when I do buy that forth VorTech, I'll be able to cause all kinds of chaos. :D Thanks for asking about that Tom.

[jnarowe]

I agree with you regarding the feed mode Marc. I don't use it in my system either. Spreading the food around gives all the fish a chance to eat, regardless of personality/aggression issues, and I like the corals to get food too. Turning them down seems to be OK, but most of the time I just let it rip.

You are going to have 4 in your tank? That's a lot of flow dude. :D

[melev]

I like the idea of putting one on the back that will just pulse some random burst of water occasionally. :D

[jnarowe]

I think I will end up with a total of seven plus penducters on my return lines, but it could go higher. :rolleyes:

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646393#post10646393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I don't know why people like feed mode so much, as I've never found it beneficial to my reef. When I pour in the food each night, I allow the pumps to blast it all over the reef. The fish are in hot pursuit, and all my corals have the opportunity to capture floating particles in their polyps. What I always do is turn off the return pump so the food stays in the reef and not down in my sump. With this method, everything gets a meal, including my BTAs.

I didn't realize the feature of having more than one master controller. That is WAY cool. So when I do buy that forth VorTech, I'll be able to cause all kinds of chaos. :D Thanks for asking about that Tom.

I actually wanted the feed mode for when I need to reach into the tank for whatever reason. It would beat unplugging all of the pumps just so I could cut back on the surface agitation and see into the tank to see what I was doing :). I agree with you an Jonathan, I wouldn't use feed mode for feeding the fish, I like to see the food swirling around feeding everything in addition to the fish :)

EDIT : Yea, Marc, having multiple master/slave combinations does really open up the possibilities alot :)

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646678#post10646678 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I like the idea of putting one on the back that will just pulse some random burst of water occasionally. :D

I was thinking something similar :), that is what I was considering the 5th Vortec for.. just for a "pulser" :)

[jnarowe]

true, I would use it for when I am working in the tank too.

[melev]

When I work in the tank, I just turn off all these switches. And unplug the battery backup wire.

http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/07/06/new_wiring4.jpg

[Fliger]

Feed mode for me is for feeding specific LPS. Dendros, balanos, duncans, micromussa - etc do much better when direct fed - especially when frags. I try to spot feed them twice a week - with flow its absolutely impossible. But when I'm feeding the fishies, I don't use feed mode - I like to keep a lot of flow for dispersion and to keep the food in the water column. It also comes in handy here & there, when you're doing something and a lot of flow would make it more difficult - adding a coral, lifting rocks - whatever. I use it on the 7095 all the time for those purposes. Gives me about 10 minutes of calm and unlike unplugging - I don't have to remember to plug it back in.

[jnarowe]

that IS a problem though in the sense that when I need to turn them off to lower the surface turbulence, I have to unplug them and the battery back-ups. If I understand Tim correctly, there will be a low-end with the wireless controllers that will just be a few rpm, so we should be able to avoid the unplugging. But going back to Tom's point, those of us with larger installations would have to at least go to each master pump and hit feed, unless the feed option will communicate from one single unit to all units in the room regardless of its setting of master or slave. Again, I think this is an area to be discussed as I certainly expected a centralized wireless controller with the feedback one would assume would be present in such a system.

And I certainly would like it linked to my AC III Pro or Aquanotes so I could track trends and get alarms via email etc. I know Eco-Tech is working hard to present the best possible product, so I hope they take what we are saying as constructive ideas and not criticism. I had a vision in my mind when I first purchased the MP-40 but that was based on what I assumed it would develop into, and not neccessarily what the market will actually demand.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10647114#post10647114 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I had a vision in my mind when I first purchased the MP-40 but that was based on what I assumed it would develop into, and not neccessarily what the market will actually demand.

Two very scary thoughts coming from you...vision in your mind and assumption. :lol:

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10647114#post10647114 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
so I hope they take what we are saying as constructive ideas and not criticism.

I most definitely hope that they take my posts as constructive and not critical. They may or may not have considered all of these aspects of the day to day usage that we have brought up, or more likely that they already have and have a solution already (or have one planned). Either way I am just trying to foster some good two way communication with them about the new drivers (and the future) :)

[jnarowe]

come on Barry...I have had much more scary thoughts than that!

[brianbigoats]

when is the next set of drivers be Avaliable

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10656821#post10656821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats
when is the next set of drivers be Avaliable


http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o16/Todd_2007/stirthepot.gif

[sps_addict]

quick question. does the new controller have a display or led to show which wave mode it is on?

[GSMguy]

led

[jnarowe]

Nice one Todd. :D

[sps_addict]

sweet. thanks gsmguy

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10657074#post10657074 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Nice one Todd. :D

Thank you sir!http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o16/Todd_2007/USA1.gif

[TK3]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10646393#post10646393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I don't know why people like feed mode so much, as I've never found it beneficial to my reef. When I pour in the food each night, I allow the pumps to blast it all over the reef. The fish are in hot pursuit, and all my corals have the opportunity to capture floating particles in their polyps. What I always do is turn off the return pump so the food stays in the reef and not down in my sump. With this method, everything gets a meal, including my BTAs.



Same here. The Vortech's take my frozen food, slice, dice, and distribute to all in the tank. A $5 power strip with all pumps plugged in gives me "feed mode" if/when needed. Certainly another feature to stick on the list, but like I said that can be accomplished quite easily and inexpensively (as well as turn off other water moving devices) with a power strip.

[jnarowe]

That will only work if you are not using the battery backup units.

[Sparkss]

exactly, the power strip doesn't do you any good if you are using the BB units, as many of us do :(.

[melev]

I know one of you guys will hack up the BB 'power' cord and create a kill switch. :lol:

[GSMguy]

i cant wait for my controller who hoooo


wooooot

[jnarowe]

not me...I wouldn't do something like that! :D

[EcoTech Marine]

Not if you cared about your warranty, that's for sure ;)

-Tim

[FuzzyLogic]

Tim, how are you guys tracking the extended 1 year warranty for people purchasing this upgrade? Do we get something in writing?

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10661180#post10661180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Not if you cared about your warranty, that's for sure ;)

-Tim

I mean, Tim is going to build a count down timer add on accessory for the BB 'power' cord. That's what I meant to say. Yeah, that's it. :D

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10661245#post10661245 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FuzzyLogic
Tim, how are you guys tracking the extended 1 year warranty for people purchasing this upgrade? Do we get something in writing?

Because these things are not going to be sitting on the shelf, we're going based on the serial numbers provided on each new Wireless Wave Driver.

-Tim

[FuzzyLogic]

:thumbsup:

[jnarowe]

Yeah, I want to mod one of my motors with a cooling device but I won't make a move without Tim's prior approval.

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10660961#post10660961 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I know one of you guys will hack up the BB 'power' cord and create a kill switch. :lol:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10661180#post10661180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Not if you cared about your warranty, that's for sure ;)

-Tim

With our recent BB unit experience there is no way in **** that I am going to ever touch those cables nor modify the BB unit/system in any way. "As Is" is how they have and will forever remain on our tank.

If the driver shuts down to "feed mode", then there is no need/reason to try to hack a switch into the cables :) But that still doesn't answer the question for those of us with larger tanks and potentially mutliple master/slave driver networks. And going to each one is not always a good option.. I would hate to think that I will continue to need to crawl under our stand to unplug wires, etc (or crawl to reach a driver on each "network" to enable feed mode) every time I need to do some maintenance in our tank :( Not all of our drivers are necesarily easily accessbile, such is an issue with larger tanks :(

[jnarowe]

Actually, Tim posted that pressing feed mode on any unit, regardless of master, slave, or autonomous, would set them ALL into feed mode. So no worries there.

[EcoTech Marine]

Not sure what the current status is on the feed mode. I think the current release that we're working on has feed modes working within networks. We all realize the benefit of having feed mode broadcast across all networks, so I'll update people as to where we are on that.

-Tim

[SDguy]

NM...saw the email address.... email sent :)

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10661871#post10661871 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
If the driver shuts down to "feed mode", then there is no need/reason to try to hack a switch into the cables :) But that still doesn't answer the question for those of us with larger tanks and potentially mutliple master/slave driver networks. And going to each one is not always a good option.. I would hate to think that I will continue to need to crawl under our stand to unplug wires, etc (or crawl to reach a driver on each "network" to enable feed mode) every time I need to do some maintenance in our tank :( Not all of our drivers are necesarily easily accessbile, such is an issue with larger tanks :(

You could always pluck the motor off the outside of the tank and let the inner portion fall to the bottom of your reef. Once done tinkering, reconnect them one by one. :lol:

[jnarowe]

You're a sick man Marc. Sick.

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10664841#post10664841 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
You're a sick man Marc. Sick.


Yes he is and he has also lost his mind!!! Step away from the frag glue.

https://panda.liquidweb.com/~aquarium/catalog/images/Melev_CrackHead.jpg

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10666504#post10666504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Yes he is and he has also lost his mind!!!https://panda.liquidweb.com/~aquarium/catalog/images/Melev_CrackHead.jpg

ROFL

[AquariumSpecialty]

Ok that is scary GSM. We were doing the same thing at the same time. Either that or there is some kind of glitch on RC...

[Ryan009]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10608891#post10608891 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
We will create a new thread, lock it, and update it once the new release or other information is available. That was a very good suggestions by someone earlier.

-Tim

Are you still planning on doing this? It would be great if you could create a new thread that we could subscribe to that would only have updated release info.

Thanks!

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10666516#post10666516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Ok that is scary GSM. We were doing the same thing at the same time. Either that or there is some kind of glitch on RC...

He not only saw your post and burst out laughing, but turned around and quoted it in a reply within the very same minute you posted. That's what I can only call a "future post whore". :D

[brianbigoats]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10656821#post10656821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats
when is the next set of drivers be Avaliable

[GSMguy]

melev check my post per day... i am "Postwhore"

[Giovanni]

Well if the drivers are to ship on Tuesday the 4th from AS to US, I would expect that they shipped by today from ET to AS.

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10672403#post10672403 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
Well if the drivers are to ship on Tuesday the 4th from AS to US, I would expect that they shipped by today from ET to AS.


http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o16/Todd_2007/stirthepot.gif I was thinking the same thing!

[thrlride]

they could stop by my house with their shipment on the way to Columbia.

I hope shipping isn't crazy expensive on the second order. They never replied to my email about the lower shipment cost after most already paid the higher cost.

[fishdoc11]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10668046#post10668046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
"future post whore". :D

But we all know who the original post whore is:)

[brianbigoats]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10656821#post10656821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats
when is the next set of drivers be Avaliable

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677119#post10677119 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats


Your beating a dead horse!! The first run of new drivers have yet to be delivered.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677445#post10677445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by todd rose
Your beating a dead horse!! The first run of new drivers have yet to be delivered.

Should be here soon though!!!

:dance: :celeb3: :celeb1: :celeb2: :dance:

:thumbsup:

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677565#post10677565 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
Should be here soon though!!!

:dance: :celeb3: :celeb1: :celeb2: :dance:

:thumbsup:

I like your positive attitude!!:thumbsup:

[brianbigoats]

no i am not beating a dead horse i am wait for Ecotech to answer a simple question i would like to buy a pair of new drivers however they are sold out. i just want to know a time frame when they will be avaliable for me to buy. enough with the stupid smilely faces i am not asking you any thing and do not need coments from the peanut gallery

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677854#post10677854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats
enough with the stupid smilely faces i am not asking you any thing and do not need coments from the peanut gallery

WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!

I want my controllers and I want them NOW!!!

A bit too much of the red last night?

Here's a clue...They DON"T KNOW! When they do they'll let us know.




the peanut gallery :wavehand:

[brianbigoats]

Troll

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10677997#post10677997 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brianbigoats
Troll

Who you callin' a troll Willis?

If it makes you feel any better my 4, count them 4, brand new controllers should be here next week. :D :dance: :D I'll let you know what I think.

Now stop holding your breath...you'll turn blue and pass out! :rolleye1: Wait...that might not be a bad thing. It would shorten your wait.

[jnarowe]

Go get 'em Barry! :D

[Giovanni]

brian bi goats,

I bet from the post Tim made back on page 12"As for the Sept 1st date. The point was to state that pumps will ship after the beginning of September" that this batch will not ship out to us on the 4th. Sooo there is no way of knowing when the second batch will be ready.

Just try to be cool little dud and groove on who you is. Time will tell if the information we have now is accurate.

BTW: If you need any of those peanuts cracked, I have a fine hand made nut cracker just for you.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10678528#post10678528 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
BTW: If you need any of those peanuts cracked, I have a fine hand made nut cracker just for you.

BTW: Peanuts are legumes. Got a fine hand made legume cracker? :hammer:

http://www.nationalpeanutboard.org/classroom-funfacts.php

[Giovanni]

mrcrab,

You are correct. However, in this case crackin nuts sounds way more fun.:D :rollface: :mixed: :lol: :eek1: :eek2: :rolleye1: :beer: :bounce1: :bounce3:

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10678742#post10678742 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
mrcrab,

You are correct. However, in this case crackin nuts sounds way more fun.

That's what I've been doing the last few posts! :lol:

[Giovanni]

Just make sure you givem a little kiss after. :love1: HEHEHE

[todd rose]

:rollface: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[MikeD]

Argh, I was getting ready for the new school year (Teacher) and I totally missed this one. I went to AS website and they're sold out! So does that mean I can't participate? If so, I'm upset (since I can't add it to my cart anyway). On the icecap forum, they mentioned something that I had to pay $50 to upgrade my vortech, but then when I PM'd ecotech, they told me to not do anything and wait for a post. And now I'm too late! Is the upgrade ONLY for those who bought it through ASpecialty now? Or am I just out of luck? I wish ecotech just stuck with their initial plan and just took our $50 so we could be on that 'list' for one of these. Maybe I'm just jealous of all the people on this page celebrating!

[niko5]

I know IM jelous :) i missed this post I dont know how I did that...

I beleve once they get the release date for the "2nd" batch AS will activate the product again... I hope.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10684617#post10684617 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by niko5
I know IM jelous :) i missed this post I dont know how I did that...

I beleve once they get the release date for the "2nd" batch AS will activate the product again... I hope.

I do believe that's the plan.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10684591#post10684591 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MikeD
Argh, I was getting ready for the new school year (Teacher) and I totally missed this one. I went to AS website and they're sold out! So does that mean I can't participate? If so, I'm upset (since I can't add it to my cart anyway). On the icecap forum, they mentioned something that I had to pay $50 to upgrade my vortech, but then when I PM'd ecotech, they told me to not do anything and wait for a post. And now I'm too late! Is the upgrade ONLY for those who bought it through ASpecialty now? Or am I just out of luck? I wish ecotech just stuck with their initial plan and just took our $50 so we could be on that 'list' for one of these. Maybe I'm just jealous of all the people on this page celebrating!



while you should be jealous :) its not too late, this is the icecap forum it just split to accomodate ecotechs growth.

[toefutoefutoefu]

I didn't know you were waiting too Nick? If I'd known I woulda just announced it on the Marsh forums. Got my 2 in.

[niko5]

Ill just have to go and stare at your tank till i can get mine ordered :D

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10688697#post10688697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by toefutoefutoefu
I didn't know you were waiting too Nick? If I'd known I woulda just announced it on the Marsh forums. Got my 2 in.

what when did you get them?

[jay24k]

I'm sure that offer will still stand. The negative backlash would be horrible just to allow the first 100 or how many jumped on the offer. People are on vacation, not part of this forum, or other reasons that wouldn't make it a fair option.

Just be patient and you will get one I'm sure for the same price. Or you could just visit Thrlide and rob him. PM me for his address. Gonna cost you 20 bucks though ;).

[toefutoefutoefu]

GSMguy: sorry, worded my sentence wrong. Meant that I got in on the first batch of orders. Not received yet

[EcoTech Marine]

Customers-

Unfortunately we’ve run into a snag in the form of our final government mandated approval to release the Wireless Wave Driver product. While we have product ready to ship at this time, we are legally prevented from doing so while we wait for final approval from the FCC. We had been provided with an expected finish date for this approval that was in-line with our targets, and thus our projected release date to you. However, like everything involving the government, things are taking longer than we expected.

Obviously, we are very upset about this delay and want nothing more than for you all to see the fruits of our labors over the past several months. If anyone who has already pre-purchased their Wireless Wave Driver would like a refund, Aquarium Specialty will be willing to do so. However, you will lose your spot on the waiting list and we have no way to change this.

We ask that you all are patient with us. Our number one priority is to bring you a top-notch product that is unmatched by anything else on the market. Everyone has been so patient over the last several months: we only ask for another week or so more of your patience.

On a separate note, we do plan to get Wireless Wave Drivers into the hands of all customers that want them. However, we are limited by our capacity to manufacture these boards. For those customers who are not scheduled to receive product from the current release- you will get your opportunity, it is only a matter of time.

-Tim

[niko5]

Damn you government damn you *shakes fist*

Keep up the good work guys!!! Cant wait for MACNA I trust you will have some wireless controllers there we may stare at?

[EcoTech Marine]

Niko5-

The FCC regulations do not prevent us from demo-ing our technology. We will have a great display at MACNA, beyond any that we've done before. We're really excited for that weekend to say the least.

-Tim

[Giovanni]

Come on Tim, you found out about this on Labor day?

[todd rose]

snif snif, snif snif snif snif.............. This does not pass the smell test...........stinky stinky stinky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EcoTech Marine]

No Giovanni, I found out about this late Friday afternoon and I decided to have somewhat of a vacation before coming online to post this bad news on my day off.

-Tim

[Giovanni]

Then why not post it on Friday, get it off your chest and have a even better holiday weekend. I think you should just take responsibility for not having them ready and leave the FCC out of it. No one made you post a ship date.

IF it is true that the FCC is holding you up then you knew the release date was contingent on this approval and that information should have been told to us before you collected over $15,000.00 of our money. I say at the very lease this is VERY POOR business practice, IMO. I realize you are now offering a refund, but that does not make up for the hassle.

I think that refunds should be made and the list should stand as is.

[BlueCorn]

Giovanni

I have it on pretty good authority that you've not purchased the item in question.

This is a sponsored forum.

That means that the sponsor has paid for the area of the board to allow them communicate with customers and potential customers. This is not a regular discussion forum. It is also not an area for you to post derogatory comments about the sponsors products.

If you have a first hand experience with their product that you'd like to share, you're welcome to do so in the Vendor Experiences forum.

[EcoTech Marine]

Giovanni, I quote this from my first post:

"Wireless Wave Drivers are expected to begin shipping on September 1st in limited numbers"

Expected to begin shipping: I'm sorry that I did not meet our expectations.

-Tim

[mcegelsk]

Tim,

Thank you for informing us. I've got two of the pre-orders and wouldn't give my spot in line for anything. I understand your troubles and wish you and your team hurried workings with our Government. Do it right and get them to us as soon as you can. Understandable difficulties arise when you are an early-adopter! Can't Wait!!!

~Matt

[CJ]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10692900#post10692900 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Customers-

"... we only ask for another week or so more of your patience."

-Tim

If it's such a short delay why bother going through the refunding?

Are you still planning a demo at Todd's in the near future?

[melev]

I really can not believe how people can be so hostile within mere minutes of each announcement. :rolleyes:

Step away from the keyboard and go work on your tank. I'll pass the time waiting for the upgrade by helping others in their threads.

[EcoTech Marine]

mcegelsk-

Thank you for your best wishes. We are very anxious to get through these tedious last steps as quickly as possible and really appreciate your support. The last month has been very intense to say the least.

CJ-

We felt that it is best to remind our customers that if they do not wish to wait any longer, they can receive a refund. We are very sorry for the delays and only want the best for our customers.

As for the demonstrations, we are locked and loaded for this weekend at Something Phishy. I'll post a thread by Wednesday.

-Tim

[Giovanni]

beerguy,

I have had two pumps for over 9 months and have pre-purchased the two wireless drivers. Not sure where your information came from but they are mistaken. If you do not believe me have a look at the photos of my tank in some of my previous post.

My posts was addressed to Tim at EcoTech Marine. I voiced my concern and opinions to Tim, therefor meeting your criteria of communication between Tim (EcoTech Marine) and I (a customer of EcoTech Marine). I made no comment about the products.


EDIT:

Also, I will take your suggestion on posting int the vendor experience area.

[CJ]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10693356#post10693356 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
mcegelsk-

As for the demonstrations, we are locked and loaded for this weekend at Something Phishy. I'll post a thread by Wednesday.

-Tim

Looking forward to it, :)

[EcoTech Marine]

Giovanni-

From the very beginning you've made demands of us that I've worked very hard to achieve. You've had some good advice and I've followed it regarding notifying our customers about how many units we have available.

If you would like a refund, you can have one. We will not refund every customer without them requesting it. We feel that customers knew this item could ship late, because I posted that when opening this thread. If a customer is not content with our latest news, we will give them a refund. Again, this goes for you as well.

I would appreciate at this time if you would start to talk for yourself and not all customers in general, or simply stop posting to this thread. As you can see by some of the responses here, people are comfortable with the current level of honesty and communication.

I cannot make the product appear at your door any faster than I am already trying to. I am sorry that this is not good enough for you but there is no longer anything that I can do for you beyond what I have offered.

-Tim

[Philwd]

Giovanni - give it a break. There are a ton of things that the release was contigent on. Did you want a detailed listing of each and every one? Stuff happens; especially with the government. What's another week?

[bureau13]

Can I get Giovanni's drivers? Seriously, I'll Paypal him right now.

:D sort of...

jds

[Giovanni]

Tim,

In the spirit of Giving it a Break and showing I can be a good guy, how much longer do you need to make good on your promise to deliver the wireless drivers? You tell me how long you need and that is how long I will give it a break. I won't post in this thread or even ask for a refund until that date.

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10693461#post10693461 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Giovanni-

From the very beginning you've made demands of us that I've worked very hard to achieve. You've had some good advice and I've followed it regarding notifying our customers about how many units we have available.

If you would like a refund, you can have one. We will not refund every customer without them requesting it. We feel that customers knew this item could ship late, because I posted that when opening this thread. If a customer is not content with our latest news, we will give them a refund. Again, this goes for you as well.

I would appreciate at this time if you would start to talk for yourself and not all customers in general, or simply stop posting to this thread. As you can see by some of the responses here, people are comfortable with the current level of honesty and communication.

I cannot make the product appear at your door any faster than I am already trying to. I am sorry that this is not good enough for you but there is no longer anything that I can do for you beyond what I have offered.

-Tim


Tim, you have been VERY diplomatic and I will be glad to refund him his money.

Scott

[sps_addict]

and refunds from anyone??? i would be more than willing to take that spot :D

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10693830#post10693830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bureau13
Can I get Giovanni's drivers? Seriously, I'll Paypal him right now.

:D sort of...

jds

Let the bidding begin!!!!!:D

[GSMguy]

i just sold my 6055 and single controller so i can get another vortech :)


192x turnover in my 50 G i cant wait :)

[jay24k]

No problem waiting here. I don't see the big issue. Not saying anyone here does it, but reminds me of the college days where people would complain about their dinner at a restaurant just to get something free.

All I personally ask is keep us updated.

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10689962#post10689962 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k


Just be patient and you will get one I'm sure for the same price. Or you could just visit Thrlide and rob him. PM me for his address. Gonna cost you 20 bucks though ;).

LOL, I just saw this. Heck, I need to rob someone else of 1!

[Kengar]

As a patent attorney involved with many start-up companies, I have personally seen how difficult it can be to bring a product from concept to market. There can be snags and glitches every where along the way. EcoTech has quite successfully provided a wonderful product -- I have two -- that we can all enjoy and appreciate as they stand. The WWD will only make them better. Keep up the good work, guys, and I look forward to receiving my two WWD's when they are ready to go.

Ken

[thrlride]

WWD's? Weapons of widespread destruction? :)

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10662237#post10662237 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Not sure what the current status is on the feed mode. I think the current release that we're working on has feed modes working within networks. We all realize the benefit of having feed mode broadcast across all networks, so I'll update people as to where we are on that.

-Tim

Tim,

Thanks for acknowledging our functionality concerns/requests. Will there be any additional programming or functionality upgrade opportunities presented by the recent shipping delays ? Or are the delays allowing Eco Tech to bolster their inventory more to possibly allow a few more slots to be opened up for the first round release ?

[EcoTech Marine]

Hi Tom,

We'll be using some of this down time to make sure features like the one broadcast feed-mode get into our first release.

-Tim

[Sparkss]

That sounds great Tim. I also wanted to ask about the night mode. I noticed that it was absent from the list of the drivers capabilities. Is this intended to be added at a later date (possibly with the introduction of a central control interface) ? Or will it be an add-on ? IE: a separate "driver-type" unit with a photocell that would be placed within view of the tanks lighting that would then broadcast the "night mode" signal to the other driver networks to slow down. (or something along those lines).

Thanks again :)


EDIT : Another nice idea would be to create a remote "feed mode" switch. Just enough of a driver to accept the feed mode signal and broadcast it to the other drivers. That way those of us with in-wall tanks would not need to treck out to the fish room to shut down the pumps for feeding/maint/etc. That would also benefit those with regular tank setups that keep their drivers in thier stand and just don't want to be bending over and/or crawling under their stand to enable the feed mode. Just an idea :).

Also, will the feed mode have an "end mode" override ? IE: pressing the feed mode button a second time will take it out of feed mode and place it back into normal service. Or will it only be a timer based mode ? IE: will end feed mode after 10 minutes, and not before.

Thanks :)

[Giovanni]

Tim,

How long do you expect this delay to be?

[raddogz]

If you're in such a hurry, why not take them up on the refund?

Badgering them to get an answer their not prepared to give is just pointless. I've prepaid for mine but I would rather the unit be up to par before they start shipping, a week or even two isn't going to kill me.

The single Vortech I have is working just fine and has been doing fine since purchased earlier this year. The delay is just a blip for the month and not much more.

[Sparkss]

You're just rubbing it in that you got yours ordered and I missed out on the first round :P.. just remeber that we know where to live :D (but one driver is no where near enough for our needs.. *sigh*).

On a side note, only 1 on a 120 ? or is it on the 58 ?

[raddogz]

The single is on the 120g.

I'm not as fearless as Raynist who has 4 of them on his 120g tank - lol :D

Patience grasshopper

[melev]

I've got three of them. I can't wait to try the wave mode with two on one end and the other one in random mode.

[raddogz]

Show off :D

[melev]

If you love something enough, you collect many. I noticed a couple of years ago how I have tons of millepora in my tank, more than any other species of SPS.

Now I'm doing that with VorTechs. :lol:

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10700006#post10700006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I've got three of them. I can't wait to try the wave mode with two on one end and the other one in random mode.

I've got 4 on my 210 and love them. I'm sad that I only ordered 3 controllers though. Hey Tim, how about letting me add one more on the first order?

[Sparkss]

Marc, I was thinking of a similar configuration. Currently we have 2 on the back wall and one each on the ends. I was thinking of taking the end ones and putting them on a single end, in sync mode, to pulse for wave action and putting the back two in random mode. That combined with the returns being in the front corners of the tank should make for some nice flow patterns, especially with our 6.5' X 4' X 2' layout. (at least we are hoping so :)).

P.S. I doubt we will ever have as many Vortecs as we do millies :)

[Philwd]

Man do we all think alike or what. I picked up a third for my 5' long 150 to have 2 on one end in pulse and the other end random. I would have liked to be able to get in and out of pulse mode at preset intervals though. I'm just not sure if the wave will top the tank or not. Water level is 2" from top.

[jnarowe]

from the sounds of all this I should have about 12 of them! :lol:

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10700756#post10700756 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
from the sounds of all this I should have about 12 of them! :lol:

yes :lol:

[raddogz]

You have to go with the flow (pun intended) :D

[jnarowe]

well, I know I'll have at least 7 when this new controller comes out...only time will tell on more. I would run mine at full blast and I got to figure that some of you guys aren't doing that. :D

I am getting Penductors for my return lines too.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10701185#post10701185 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
well, I know I'll have at least 7 when this new controller comes out...only time will tell on more. I would run mine at full blast and I got to figure that some of you guys aren't doing that. :D

I am getting Penductors for my return lines too.

im going to be running 2 at full blast in my 50g with 3 tunze nano stream.

i know some people are scared to turn the pump up,,, not I

[jnarowe]

Don't you think that will damage the coral tissue? I recently saw tissue damaged caused by a coral being to close to a Tunze Turbelle...

[invincible569]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10702067#post10702067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
im going to be running 2 at full blast in my 50g with 3 tunze nano stream.

i know some people are scared to turn the pump up,,, not I

I was at a LFS (T&T) in Houston and they had those pumps cranked all the way up. I couldnt believe how close the corals were and they were loving it. I would of thought the flesh would of been torn off with such strong flow aimed at the SPS.

[GSMguy]

i have plenty of coral directly in the path 4 to 6 inches and they are loving the vortech, sps of course but also some xenia and zoas and everything is happy, i think in the end i will end up with 3 of the vortechs.

also i run my vortech at full speed 8 inches from the top of the tank and no air tornados... every time i walk by my tank i think wow thats amazing.

Edward get one on your tank asap :)

[GSMguy]

just looked 4 inches is pushing it 6 is accurate but still at 3000gph...

[jnarowe]

I think 6" would make my clams flutter away like birds!

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10702488#post10702488 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I think 6" would make my clams flutter away like birds!

my clams are not directly in the flow they are close though. and they are fine.

[Philwd]

i have plenty of coral directly in the path 4 to 6 inches and they are loving the vortech, sps of course but also some xenia and zoas and everything is happy, i think in the end i will end up with 3 of the vortechs.

How did you do that? I had several corals get severely damaged by a Vortech 9" away running at 50% max. From tissue blownoff to branches flattening out. The constant laminar flow really hurt. That's why I really needed the controllers.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10702536#post10702536 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Philwd
How did you do that? I had several corals get severely damaged by a Vortech 9" away running at 50% max. From tissue blownoff to branches flattening out. The constant laminar flow really hurt. That's why I really needed the controllers.

i have 4 tunze nano streams the flow is very random not overly laminar.

[jay24k]

Gotta have flow bouncing it away. I have two of mine about 6" away and it tore the flesh off some caps but it's at the base and I'm not worried. But yes, if they are 6" within range, they will blast flesh off if no other flow bounces it around.

[Philwd]

I had no other flow. I was ok until I could no longer use the AC jr wavemaker. Now the AEFW solved my problem for me.:( At least when I start back up I'll have the controllers.

[Giovanni]

Tim,

How long do you expect this delay to be?

[melev]

Since 8/15/07 It has been 21 days since the initial news about the new controller. Barely how long it takes to cycle a tank.

I really think asking politely every day for an update is uncalled for. Throughout the 21 days, we've gotten a number of replies on their status, as recently as two days ago. I'm positive as soon as EcoTech has good news to share, we'll find it in this forum.

[Giovanni]

melev,

Is there something against RC policy that says I cannot ask that question politely every day until I get an answer?

[GSMguy]

bananas anyone?

[IceCap Service]

Tim and the EcoTech Team will answer your question when they have an answer. As he stated quite clearly they are awaiting final approval from the FCC. This could be one day or one month. It would be pointless to give a wild guess. He is working diligently on this issue and does not have time to keep answering repeat questions daily.

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10707240#post10707240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
melev,

Is there something against RC policy that says I cannot ask that question politely every day until I get an answer?

No. :)

Do you actually think EcoTech is going to forget to give us any solid news when they have it?

[ipluu]

With out final approval from FCC, how could EcoTech Marine already tried to sell the WWD and they even charged us for it!!! This is shady!!!

[mbunaman]

Ecotech can you post a video of the new driver in action for us. It would be great for us who cant make the event coming up.

[IceCap Service]

Did you see the part about getting a refund!!
If you are not satisfied by all means get youself a refund.
Get the facts before questioning someones integrity!!

[bureau13]

Wow ipluu, you're right. Ecotech has probably already left the country with your money. Damn. Shady indeed.

Giovanni, while there may be no actual rules against it, it could prove annoying enough that Ecotech decides its not worth spending time in these forums giving everyone updates, etc. Then the torches and pitchforks show up at YOUR door. Its not against the rules, but it IS rather childish and pointless...isn't that enough?

jds

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10709104#post10709104 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ipluu
This is shady!!!

Not as shady as being in "IT"!! :lol:

[niko5]

If you dont like it and you have already placed a preorder cancel it then. They arnt out to screw people! Its not like they just appeared last week and said buy this thing its going to be cool they have been around for years.

Ok im done :)

[jay24k]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1412/20950509rj8.jpg

[GSMguy]

i knew the wine and cheese was somewhere out there.

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10709982#post10709982 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1412/20950509rj8.jpg

ROTFLMFAO! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[melev]

It makes me both hungry and thirsty, but not impatient. :)

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10708235#post10708235 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IceCap Service
Tim and the EcoTech Team will answer your question when they have an answer. As he stated quite clearly they are awaiting final approval from the FCC. This could be one day or one month. It would be pointless to give a wild guess. He is working diligently on this issue and does not have time to keep answering repeat questions daily.

Icecap service

You guys need to get on the same page. Tim asked us for a week or so more patience which I am willing to give. Your saying one day or one month. Confusing wouldn't ya say?:confused:;)

[TK3]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10693178#post10693178 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
Then why not post it on Friday, get it off your chest and have a even better holiday weekend. I think you should just take responsibility for not having them ready and leave the FCC out of it. No one made you post a ship date.

IF it is true that the FCC is holding you up then you knew the release date was contingent on this approval and that information should have been told to us before you collected over $15,000.00 of our money. I say at the very lease this is VERY POOR business practice, IMO. I realize you are now offering a refund, but that does not make up for the hassle.

I think that refunds should be made and the list should stand as is.

I'll refund your money and take the spot. As will about 200 other people on here waiting to get these.

You gotta be kidding me with these posts.

Ecotech is not forcing anyone to buy their products. They're actually doing us all a favor by posting the long awaited release date, taking pre-orders (common with many new technologies, video games/systems, etc), and keeping us updated here (not required). Delays happen. Deal with it, or get your refund and get out of line.

Any cry babies looking to bail: I'll buy your spot(s)/controller(s), for your cost + $75.00 per unit - due to the "inconvenience".

[GSMguy]

Kentucky+WWD pre order=quarrel

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10715013#post10715013 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
Kentucky+WWD pre order=quarrel

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[KEstep]

Man, I am just as disappointed about the delay as the next guy, but man this forum is freakin nuts now. LOL I am glad to not be working at Ecotech right now. I am just glad we are past the "you will see next spring, next June, end of July, sometime in August phase and that we know there is a WWD just waiting to be shipped.

If we are getting wine now I would like mine red, preferably a Pinot Noir. I'll pass on the cheese. :D

[melev]

That is a good choice of wine, Kris. One of my top favorites.

[Giovanni]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10693214#post10693214 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy


If you have a first hand experience with their product that you'd like to share, you're welcome to do so in the Vendor Experiences forum.

Beerguy,

Decided to take your advice and posted Here (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1201763) .

[KEstep]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10718103#post10718103 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
That is a good choice of wine, Kris. One of my top favorites.

Thank ya Marc.. What is your favorite? I like Flowers

[melev]

Turning Leaf ( I spend the bigger bucks on Crown ;) ) or Sterling Vintner's Collection. There's another one I buy that I recognize on sight, but I'm drawing a blank sitting here at the keyboard.

[jnarowe]

Crown will kill you Marc. You got to lay off that stuff! I knew a guy that drank himself to death with it. I would recommend you switch to 3 Olives! :D

[melev]

Don't worry, I don't drink nearly enough to get myself into trouble. :)

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10718768#post10718768 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
Beerguy,

Decided to take your advice and posted Here (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1201763) .

You're not allowed to be unhappy, or atleast to express it.

[Giovanni]

I did not know that. I will do my best then.

Time for another Margarita. LOL

[thrlride]

I just hope it's a delay in the approval, not an actual issue that could take months to re-engineer.

[niko5]

SHUSH dont say such a thing!!!

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10722738#post10722738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by niko5
SHUSH dont say such a thing!!!

Sadly it is entirely possible. I hope it isn't true though as they have my money for three of them.

[melev]

Why? Why cast doubts out there? Refunds were offered if anyone doesn't like the current situation.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10723647#post10723647 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thrlride
Sadly it is entirely possible. I hope it isn't true though as they have my money for three of them.

I don't think it's terribly good form to cast dispersions on someone's integrity.

[Giovanni]

I did not see "integrity" mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted.



As a Ham radio operator, I have helped get approval for several projects that were even in our own ham frequencies and know they are very picky.

The 2.4GhZ frequency every think in our houses is on is actually a ham frequency that is getting very crowded. One of the problems the FCC is dealing with is over crowding.

Being positive here, I put my money on EcoTech Marine using another frequency for the WWD.

[mrcrab]

Giovanni,

The previous post wasn't to you it was to thrlride but just to clarify for you. Tim said:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10692900#post10692900 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Customers-

Unfortunately we’ve run into a snag in the form of our final government mandated approval to release the Wireless Wave Driver product. While we have product ready to ship at this time, we are legally prevented from doing so while we wait for final approval from the FCC. We had been provided with an expected finish date for this approval that was in-line with our targets, and thus our projected release date to you. However, like everything involving the government, things are taking longer than we expected.

Obviously, we are very upset about this delay and want nothing more than for you all to see the fruits of our labors over the past several months. If anyone who has already pre-purchased their Wireless Wave Driver would like a refund, Aquarium Specialty will be willing to do so. However, you will lose your spot on the waiting list and we have no way to change this.

We ask that you all are patient with us. Our number one priority is to bring you a top-notch product that is unmatched by anything else on the market. Everyone has been so patient over the last several months: we only ask for another week or so more of your patience.

On a separate note, we do plan to get Wireless Wave Drivers into the hands of all customers that want them. However, we are limited by our capacity to manufacture these boards. For those customers who are not scheduled to receive product from the current release- you will get your opportunity, it is only a matter of time.

-Tim

thrlride said:I just hope it's a delay in the approval, not an actual issue that could take months to re-engineer.

That to me was questioning Tim's integrity. After reading everything again I may have jumped the gun and apologize. I thought that thrlride was calling into question Tim's reasoning for not shipping at this point but now I see that since final approval has not been given that something may have to change for that to take place. I hope not also.

I'll go back to my corner now. :o

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10724128#post10724128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
I don't think it's terribly good form to cast dispersions on someone's integrity.

I wasn't questioning anyones credibility rather discussing the possibilities of the delay. This isn't to you but hopefully the trend of villifying anyone questioning the process or seeks answers stops.

Got to keep the sponsors happy though.

:rolleyes:

[Giovanni]

Now that I am looking at things with a brighter outlook I did not read that the same way you did. So please, there is no need for you to go back in your corner. :D

We definitely do not want to anger the Gods!!!

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10724457#post10724457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thrlride
I wasn't questioning anyones credibility rather discussing the possibilities of the delay. This isn't to you but hopefully the trend of villifying anyone questioning the process or seeks answers stops.

Got to keep the sponsors happy though.

:rolleyes:

As I said, I've recanted my original post. I have no problem at all questioning processes or seeking answers. I just need to make sure I reread and understand the meaning before hitting that darned send button! :D I think I'll have the margarita now. :celeb3: Oh, hold the salt, Cointreau and lime juice...just pass the Patron!

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10724506#post10724506 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
As I said, I've recanted my original post. I have no problem at all questioning processes or seeking answers. I just need to make sure I reread and understand the meaning before hitting that darned send button! :D I think I'll have the margarita now. :celeb3: Oh, hold the salt, Cointreau and lime juice...just pass the Patron!
I didn't notice you had recanted until after I replied, sorry about that.

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10724506#post10724506 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
As I said, I've recanted my original post. I have no problem at all questioning processes or seeking answers. I just need to make sure I reread and understand the meaning before hitting that darned send button! :D I think I'll have the margarita now. :celeb3: Oh, hold the salt, Cointreau and lime juice...just pass the Patron!
I didn't notice you had recanted until after I replied, sorry about that.

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10724506#post10724506 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
As I said, I've recanted my original post. I have no problem at all questioning processes or seeking answers. I just need to make sure I reread and understand the meaning before hitting that darned send button! :D I think I'll have the margarita now. :celeb3: Oh, hold the salt, Cointreau and lime juice...just pass the Patron!

Come on Barry, you can do better than Patron!

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10727308#post10727308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Come on Barry, you can do better than Patron!

I knew you would show up sooner or later. So, what would you recommend your alcoholicness?

[KEstep]

I want Marc to share some of his Crown...

[Giovanni]

Well it is after 12:00 so it is time to fire up the blender. Margarita anyone? LOL

[KEstep]

Can you make a Bloody Mary? Whew gotta shake the hang...

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10727423#post10727423 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
I knew you would show up sooner or later. So, what would you recommend your alcoholicness?

3 Olives baby! This is getting so OT though...