does anyone add vitamins in their water?

[Beemo]

should i be adding drops of vitamins in my FO tank?

i have ZOE vitamins that i add to certain foods but im not sure if i should add this to the water also? it says add for inverts, i dont have corals but i do have some crabs.

ive been hearing that selcon is the best but i cant seem to find this at any lfs.

im a bit worried about my lemonpeel angel, i think it has hlle.
theres torn looking thin line going down its lateral...i really think its later line erosion. there are also pin sized red dots along this line as well.
so i thought by adding vitamins to the water it will help her out a bit.
i thought she was eating the nori until i looked closer and saw she just spits it out.
ive only had her a short time so i figured being picky is normal, but now i see she may have a problem.
i have her maybe 10 days now

i tried to get her out but its impossible without tearing down my tank, theres just too many places to hide...so she has to stay put

[joeyt66]

I dont i just add to their food

[backej1]

Try soaking the nori in garlic (some people swear by it).

Also, what else are you feeding her?

[Beemo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10630982#post10630982 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by backej1
Try soaking the nori in garlic (some people swear by it).

Also, what else are you feeding her?

can i use garlic extract from the health food store??

i feed....
prime reef flakes
marine angel flakes (i think its omega)
hikari marine pellets
red sea marine gro pellets
frozen marine cuisine
frozen emerald entree
frozen omega one brine
seaweed salad green algae sheets
freeze dried krill

i feed twice a day alternating between those foods

she goes for everything but she spits it back out

[LukFox]

Try a clam. Angels are supposed to go -crazy- for clams. Over in the regal angel thread in the Reef Fishes forum, if their angel isn't eating, a lot of them try the clam with I think a 100% success rate, from all the experiences I've seen. My new emperor is in love with clams, too. Just go to your grocery store and pick up a clam or two, open one up, toss it in, and freeze the other for later. This should help her get used to other foods, hopefully.

[pinkie]

The clam is a good idea, my large angels do pick at them constantly after my puffers and eel have taken care of the large pieces.

One thing I would also try is mysis shrimp. They are the perfect size for smaller angels like the lemon peel. They do however need a lot of vegetation in their diet, so keep trying!

For vitamins, I use a few of them. The ones I use are:

Selcon
Zoe Marine
Vitachem
Garlic Guard

Adding them to the water is a good idea, because the fish are able to take in many of the vitamins through regular respiration. This can be very helpful with fish that aren't eating well, like your lemonpeel angel.

You might want to get some Vitachem, as it is fantastic for fish, I get mine from Dr. Foster's and Smith.

Good luck with your Lemonpeel!

[Beemo]

shes a goner. shes about to pass any minute.
her lateral line is now flesh and bloody looking

she may have been attacked, not sure, there is a smaller than her niger trigger and a 9" snowflake eel that could be the only culprit

argh i hate when fish die, not only the loss but i can never get them out. why dont saltwater fish float when they die like freshwater fishees?

[pinkie]

I'm sorry to hear about your lemonpeel. If it is HLLE, you might want to check your water parameters to see if it is in check, as this is often a contributor to HLLE. Another thing you may want to look for is stray electrical current.

If it is a trigger attack, check the fins, as they are usually the first target. If it is an eel attack, as I'm sure you know, they tend to grab larger food and tear off chunks, so they should have mouth shaped scratches or chunks missing on the outside edges of the fish. Yet with the passive behaviors of snowflakes, it wouldn't be my first guess. It sounds like HLLE is the likely culprit from your description, as the injury doesn't sound to match with an attack from your other fish.

[Beemo]

can hlle develop so quickly? ive only had her about 10 days.
i imagine it was something this fish was about to come down with?
ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates 0-5 ppm at the most. 10% weekly to bi-weekly water changes. i changed the water twice last week

shes laying on her side dying and the trigger bit her a few times a few minutes ago
i think hes just taking advantage of a dying fish

[pinkie]

Depending on the environment and conditions, It is possible.

In my tank about a month ago I noticed that my spiny box puffer developed these dark patches on his head which turned into rather large deep soars, HLLE. It only took 3 days for him to go from perfectly normal to that condition. I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and all the other fish were perfectly fine. I then touched the water and was shocked by electricity. I found the source and took care of it. After about 2 weeks he was completely healed up and you couldn't even tell it had happened.

So IF it was HLLE and IF the conditions are right, it is possible for him to get that bad in 10 days.

I agree with you about the trigger taking advantage of his state. The Eel may also take advantage of it as well if it is hungry enough.

[Beemo]

oh wow i wonder if i have a current somewhere.
i touched the water and nothing happend. i'll stick my finger in the water every now and then to make sure, thats kinda scary when you think about it tho.
how do you know what equipment is faulty? is it usually a pump or filter?

[happyface888]

sorry to hear beemo, another thing that i have read in the reefkeeping articles is activated carbon has something to do with HLLE aswell. I also add vitamins to my water, vitachem and garlic guard. Next time try feeding broccoli I heard it works wonders, just boil it and chop it up and feed it to your fishes.

[Beemo]

yes i do use carbon
not much, about a cup for 55 gallons
i change it out a few times a month

[cybrsufr]

Stray current from a Powerhead, heater, or any other equipment can cause HLLE to appear very rapidly and very aggressively. It can be such a small current that you may not be able to feel it with you fingers. The best test is to use a multimeter and set it to the lowest voltage setting test and just test if you can pick up any current on the meter. Another solution would be to add a grounding probe and GCFI outlet then if there is stray current it will go straight to ground and if there is enough it will throw the GCFI switch. A lot of people have mixed feelings on these as do I, because if you are away and something throws the switch it could spell disaster if all your pumps are on the same switch. I have mine split between two GCFI's so if one throws the other may stay on. Also Never plug in high aperage equpment into a GCFI (chiller, etc) as they have a habit of throwing the circuit when they kick on.


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