The Day has FINALLY Come!

[EcoTech Marine]

We got our FCC approval!!!

Product will start shipping from ETM today.

:rollface:

-Tim

[Fliger]

SWEET!!!! I wouldn't even have seen this if you didn't mention it in the other thread!!!

Totally stoked!

[ukspice69]

The best news i have heard all YEAR

I AM STOKED

[liquidlunch]

Hi, I didn't sign up for rebate/swap program and was wondering what the fastest way to get my hands on one?

[niko5]

Woo!

[EcoTech Marine]

liquidlunch-

Unfortunately, at this point you just have to wait. We will try and have them in retailers hands within the next few weeks.

-Tim

[coraladdict]

Tim
Will the warranty still be prolonged 1 year ?

[Sparkss]

They stated in another thread that the warranty was based off of the serial number on the driver, so yea, it would basically extend your warranty another year :)


BTW, Congrats on getting the FCC approval :)

[opiumpipez]

im very excited....waiting for one from aquacave!

[HBtank]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Mikecdj/dancing.gif

[steelers2005]

This is great news!!! If they are shipping from you location in PA the two I order will be here on Monday. After seeing these at MACNA I could not wait and have been checking in daily.

[opiumpipez]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903232#post10903232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HBtank
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/Mikecdj/dancing.gif

OMG

that is awesome!

[AquariumSpecialty]

We are going to do our best to get all of the WWD orders out on Monday and Tuesday of this coming week. These orders will only be for the 1st 150 units sold prior to the cut off date that was previous posted on RC. Other customers will be contacted when the next batch is ready to go out. Many thanks to everyone being patient on the FCC delay and we hope you enjoy your new Ecotech Wireless Wave Drivers!

P.S. Tim, Have you put on some weight since MACNA?:D

[bureau13]

Congratulations guys, I'm sure the wait was even more frustrating for you than for the screaming horde of Vortech users pounding on your doors.

Did I understand the other threads correctly in that there is no longer a "second wave" that will open up for the $100-w/ $50-rebate deal, but that they will simply be offered for $75? How long will the $75 deal last, I gathered from the other thread that it was a limited time offer.

jds

[EcoTech Marine]

Hi jds-

You're correct. From now on the product will be available at retailers for $75. This will last for a few months or until the demand has sufficiently died down. It will take a few weeks at least before we have the WWD in the hands of our retailers. In the mean time, MP40w pumps start shipping tomorrow to our retailers.

-Tim

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903444#post10903444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
We are going to do our best to get all of the WWD orders out on Monday and Tuesday of this coming week. These orders will only be for the 1st 150 units sold prior to the cut off date that was previous posted on RC. Other customers will be contacted when the next batch is ready to go out. Many thanks to everyone being patient on the FCC delay and we hope you enjoy your new Ecotech Wireless Wave Drivers!

P.S. Tim, Have you put on some weight since MACNA?:D

Monday is a Federal Holiday. But I don't know if FedEx/UPS is taking the day off or not.

[AquariumSpecialty]

FYI - We are adding the new MD40-W pump to our site at this very moment. It will be available for purchase in just a few minutes. Orders will be shipping out next week to those that purchase the Wireless Pump and Driver combo and you will get free shipping.

Here is the link:

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=68_122_183

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903539#post10903539 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
Monday is a Federal Holiday. But I don't know if FedEx/UPS is taking the day off or not.

There's always something :rolleyes:

-Tim

[todd rose]

:rollface:

[AquariumSpecialty]

I just called our FedEx rep and they are shipping on Monday. We will be shipping all orders via FedEx.

[SDguy]

Any plans to sell the pump, wireless controller, and battery backup as a slight discount package for lucky, patient people like me? :D

[AquariumSpecialty]

look again

[SDguy]

Ooo, you're quick :)

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903701#post10903701 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
I just called our FedEx rep and they are shipping on Monday. We will be shipping all orders via FedEx.

Kewl, I thought they might still be working/shipping that day.

Not many take Columbus Day off, even though it is a Federal Holiday. So the USPS, Banks, Government offices are usually the only ones off :)

[mcegelsk]

ETM,

Congrats are definitely in order!!! Great Job on getting the final FCC approval! Can't wait! Thank you for giving us continuous information that other companies probably wouldn't provide.

~Matt

[tor101898]

can't wait for mine.

[Robinson]

Awsome news!

Any retailers in europe getting theese?

[GSMguy]

Great News Tim.

[jay24k]

Well this sucks...
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That I can't get it this week :)

Can't wait to get my hands on one.

[todd rose]

I can't wait to get my "wave on":D

[boozeman]

awesome news...just in time with my new tank comming in next week!
I'm dancing a jig :D

[robster]

Thanks Scott. Glad you posted here. Just ordered two.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903595#post10903595 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
FYI - We are adding the new MD40-W pump to our site at this very moment. It will be available for purchase in just a few minutes. Orders will be shipping out next week to those that purchase the Wireless Pump and Driver combo and you will get free shipping.

Here is the link:

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=68_122_183

[Giovanni]

If they started shipping today. Some people close will have them tomorrow. Wow I am stoked man.

[reef / aholic]

What is all of this hysteria about; I have been living under a rock for the last 2 years and do not even know what a MP40 Wireless Upgrade is!!!

[summer6]

I'm really looking forward to getting the WWD's up and running to make for some interesting water movement.:rollface:

[todd rose]

Tim,
Are tracking numbers going to be provided to us when product ships?
Thanks
Todd

[robster]

Are there any links to video showing the new wireless wave in action?

[jay24k]

He mentioned shipping out Monday/Tuesday so I don't forsee them shipping today or tommorrow but it would be nice. Either way, it won't get to me in Florida!

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10906098#post10906098 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Giovanni
If they started shipping today. Some people close will have them tomorrow. Wow I am stoked man.

Shipping them to Aquarium Specialty tomorrow, then they will be shipping out to the customers starting next week. At least that is what I read into it :)

[todd rose]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10907359#post10907359 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
Shipping them to Aquarium Specialty tomorrow, then they will be shipping out to the customers starting next week. At least that is what I read into it :)

According to Scott at Aquarium Specialty:http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1209884

[raynist]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10906445#post10906445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robster
Are there any links to video showing the new wireless wave in action?


http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1207936

--Ray

[Giovanni]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10902170#post10902170 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
We got our FCC approval!!!

Product will start shipping from ETM today.

:rollface:

-Tim

[AquariumSpecialty]

Todd, in the 11th hour EcoTech and Aquarium Specialty agreed it would be best if we handled the shipping logistics. Aquarium Specialty is shipping the pumps and drivers.

P.S. I updated the other thread also.

[robster]

I understand that there are 150 upgrades that are being shipped. Can you tell me how many complete pump & driver units are available for sale?

[Giovanni]

How about the user manual to look at while we wait?

[Gobie74]

Great news! Cant wait, but unfortunately didn't order two, have to wait til the next round of shipping to get another.

[IceCap Service]

You can review the user manual at
http://www.ecotechmarine.com/support/Manuals/MP40w_manual_1.0.pdf

I would recommend going over this a few times before actually trying to set it up. It took me a couple times to go over it before I knew what I was actually doing. If you familiarize youself with the set up instructions operation will be quite easy.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10908455#post10908455 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robster
I understand that there are 150 upgrades that are being shipped. Can you tell me how many complete pump & driver units are available for sale?

i think that they will be selling these to all retailers so they should have a ton.

[emoutz]

Yeah - where can we get one of the new drivers? I've checked around and no one seems to be taking orders (not even aquarium specialty)

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10908800#post10908800 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by emoutz
Yeah - where can we get one of the new drivers? I've checked around and no one seems to be taking orders (not even aquarium specialty)

We are taking orders but you will need to email us you contact info to get on the list.

[sirjohn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10908572#post10908572 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IceCap Service
You can review the user manual at
http://www.ecotechmarine.com/support/Manuals/MP40w_manual_1.0.pdf

I would recommend going over this a few times before actually trying to set it up. It took me a couple times to go over it before I knew what I was actually doing. If you familiarize youself with the set up instructions operation will be quite easy.

Awesome. Thanks.

[melev]

http://melevsreef.com/g/bravo.gif

[bimmerzs]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10903444#post10903444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
We are going to do our best to get all of the WWD orders out on Monday and Tuesday of this coming week. These orders will only be for the 1st 150 units sold prior to the cut off date that was previous posted on RC. Other customers will be contacted when the next batch is ready to go out. Many thanks to everyone being patient on the FCC delay and we hope you enjoy your new Ecotech Wireless Wave Drivers!

P.S. Tim, Have you put on some weight since MACNA?:D

Scott,
For clarification, does this mean that ya'll stopped taking orders after 150 folks signed up/paid on the initial offer or do you mean that ya'll will ship out unit's to the first 150 that paid and everybody else that paid before the cut-off, will still have to wait? Just trying guage how much longer I may have to wait.

Cheers,:D

[thrlride]

You may have answered this but when do you plan to have WWD's for sale? I need one more in addition to the 3 I already ordered.

[AquariumSpecialty]

For anyone that still needs the WWD please email Aquarium Specialty your contact info and we will contact you when they are available. I don't think it will be much longer on the 2nd batch but maybe Tim can chime in on that topic.

[tor101898]

scott,

just sent my info to AS

[EcoTech Marine]

I will have an estimate later in the week on how long it will before more WWD's ship.

-Tim

[AquariumSpecialty]

Shipping update. UPS showed up today @ 3:00 with 100 WWD's. FedEx showed up at 4:45 and picked up 97 WWD's for delivery to the 1st 97 sold...except the 3 we kept. If your order went out today then you should receive a tracking number tonight.

...Not bad sending 97 drivers out the same day they arrived and only having 1:45 minutes to do it in.:D

[niko5]

Dang Scott your good!!! Thats great turn around :)

*looks around* i hope mine was in there hehe :)

[robster]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10931050#post10931050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Shipping update. UPS showed up today @ 3:00 with 100 WWD's. FedEx showed up at 4:45 and picked up 97 WWD's for delivery to the 1st 97 sold...except the 3 we kept. If your order went out today then you should receive a tracking number tonight.

...Not bad sending 97 drivers out the same day they arrived and only having 1:45 minutes to do it in.:D

So you only got drivers today? No pump/driver combo's?

[AquariumSpecialty]

The pumps will be in tomorrow and we will ship them out tomorrow.

[andyjd]

Mine shipped, think it should arrive tomorrow according to fedex :D

[mrcrab]

I get my 4 on Wednesday!!!:D

[jay24k]

The link that was sent me is invalid. Does anyone have a correct link? I dont have a tracking number butsomething from pandaweb that stated it shipped today. order number 1755.

Thanks,

Jason

[thrlride]

Got tracking info and mine will arrive tomorrow!

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10932396#post10932396 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
The link that was sent me is invalid. Does anyone have a correct link? I dont have a tracking number butsomething from pandaweb that stated it shipped today. order number 1755.

Thanks,

Jason

I got the same thing from pandaweb with the same result, yesterday. You'll get a tracking number when it ships.

[Giovanni]

Scott

I thought the first shipment was to be 150?

[mattyice]

anyone at ecotech happen to know when salty critter will get there in? i have 4 im waiting very paitently for my tank will be here in less then two weeks and i want to get the ball rolling

[jay24k]

Guess I wasn't part of the first batch shipped from the pre-order. Is there more drivers arriving tommorrow from the pre-order?

[mrcrab]

They said they were shipping both Monday and Tuesday, I was one of the first on the list. Yours should arrive on Thursday I would think.

[cartman5579]

If i ran just one of these in my 60 cube, will it still create that wave affect? and how will this affect a DSB?

[recife111]

is the wireless driver the same thing as a wireless controller? Or is the controller still due out in the future,

[AquariumSpecialty]

All of these questions have been previously answered in our forum or on Ecotech's forum.

[coraladdict]

Just received my Fedex confirmation ,should have it tomorrow.

[jay24k]

My confirmation arrived also this morning. I guess they were just a bit slow on the email :). It appears as it was supposed to be shipped yesterday. Can't wait till Wednesday!

[sirjohn]

Yay, my 2 shipped, getting them on Wednesday.

If anyone gets them today, you BETTER post some impressions and pictures.. :)

[thrlride]

Mine are in and it looks like I am the first to ask tech questions, lol

[andyjd]

I'm still waiting on Fedex...its not looking good for today :(

[robster]

Looks like my two are shipping out today, signature required :-(
I might have to work from home the day the are scheduled to be delivered.

[AquariumSpecialty]

Anything over $500.00 and FedEX requires a signature.

[thrlride]

Here are some pics of the wwd's in use at the house:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/iPhone116.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/iPhone106.jpg

Now I just need 1 more controller so I can finish the 4 vortechs I have. Sorry for the poor quality, these were taken from my iPhone.

No impressions just yet.

[niko5]

Nice pics now im really jelous :) 3 vortechs and no backup battery?

[EcoTech Marine]

Looking sharp! What mode do you have them set up in? Which pump are you running as master and which as slaves? As one of our first customers with the WWD, your feedback on the best way to setup the pumps is valuable to us and other customers.

-Tim

[sfsuphysics]

Ok, I have been living under a rock as well.. because I just recently purchased one of these guys, but apparently it's the wired version.

So here are my questions
1) What's my option with what I bought? Is it simply an upgraded part that'll run me another $75? (I keep seeing this number flashed around).

2) This wireless wavemaker/dohickeywhatever... is this an additional device that you buy in addition to the wireless vortech that creates the waves? Or do the wireless vortech units themselves have the software to do the waves?

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10938873#post10938873 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
Ok, I have been living under a rock as well.. because I just recently purchased one of these guys, but apparently it's the wired version.

So here are my questions
1) What's my option with what I bought? Is it simply an upgraded part that'll run me another $75? (I keep seeing this number flashed around).

2) This wireless wavemaker/dohickeywhatever... is this an additional device that you buy in addition to the wireless vortech that creates the waves? Or do the wireless vortech units themselves have the software to do the waves?

Contact us and we will put you on the list. visit www.aquariumspecialty.com and send us an email with your contact info and we will contact you when they are available to ship.

[Fliger]

Cool pictures. What modes are you planning to run them in, and what are the dimensions of your 210? I have four, and I've read the literature available on them - but I think its futile until I have them here. I'd like to run two for wave or surge, and two for flow.

If you have four, can you have two sets of master/slave?

[EcoTech Marine]

Hi Mike,

The MP40 (which you probably have) is upgradeable to the MP40w model buy purchasing the $75 Wireless Wave Driver.

Once you own an MP40w model, it is capable of random modes and pulsing out of the box. Once you add other MP40w's to your tank, they will be capable of wireless communication between pumps. An MP40 cannot control an MP40. You must have all MP40w's to control them together.

-Tim

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10938765#post10938765 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EcoTech Marine
Looking sharp! What mode do you have them set up in? Which pump are you running as master and which as slaves? As one of our first customers with the WWD, your feedback on the best way to setup the pumps is valuable to us and other customers.

-Tim

I have four vortechs, two on either side of my 6'x2'x30" tank. The master is on the left along with the regular mp40. The two slaves are on the right. The three controllable pumps are set to 100%. The non controllable pump is set to minimum until I can get another WWD.

I haven't had a chance to play with them yet but ideally I would like a swell back and forth, somewhat like the video from MACNA but not nearly as much, obviously. I need to take one of those instruction sheets and get it laminated so I can keep it under the tank to keep it nice and easily available.

I think I will set them on either pulse or reef-crest mode with anti-sync turned on so I can keep sand in the center.

If I were to try and duplicate the wave forming like at MACNA, would I play with pulse to get the timing right with two pumps on one side then energize the other two in anti sync mode?

This is nuts, but after having two on either side of my tank I'd almost like to have one more in the back pointing forward to give some sporadic flow. Thank goodness I am broke now. :)

Not to broke to pick up that fourth controller though, please make them puppies available!!!!!

Once you get used to the buttons the instructions are quite clear. One recommendation for a change would be to make the color difference on the instructions between the blue and purple more. At a first glance, at least to my eyes they are too close and I didn't even notice until I looked closely. Now that I know there is a color difference I notice it readily.

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10938933#post10938933 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Cool pictures. What modes are you planning to run them in, and what are the dimensions of your 210? I have four, and I've read the literature available on them - but I think its futile until I have them here. I'd like to run two for wave or surge, and two for flow.

If you have four, can you have two sets of master/slave?

I will probably run them in either reef-crest or pulse.

The 210 is a standard AGA 6'x2'x30".

I believe you can run multiple master/slave configurations with 4.

Not that this is the place it needs to be posted but this is the tank. I wish it looked this good now. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/thrlride/210%20gallon/CRW_2062Medium.jpg

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10938754#post10938754 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by niko5
Nice pics now im really jelous :) 3 vortechs and no backup battery?

Actually, 4 vortechs. When I got on the pre-order list I didn't own a single vortech and only planned on buying 3. Plans change. :)

I've only had the vortechs for about 5 weeks now. Funds would be the main reason I don't have a battery backup, that and I like living on the edge. :eek1:

[Fliger]

Thank you very much. We can learn together - mine is 64x32x24 - not too far off. I'll post my experiences with them. Perhaps each owner can start their own thread - to help others. I could see this thread getting VERY long and hard to follow. I can't believe how much I'm online these last few weeks, waiting for all my new toys to come in. :)

Edit - oh and BEAUTIFUL tank!

[KEstep]

Im jealous of you guys getting your drivers early, I have to wait till Friday. :(

[jay24k]

Mine should be in tommorrow. I'll try to get some pictures and video setup. Unfortunately, my tank is overgrown beyond belief.

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10940319#post10940319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
Unfortunately, my tank is overgrown beyond belief.

You'll have to give me some frags to help you clear that out. :D

[thrlride]

Tim, I have the master in reef crest mode now, should I hear the pumps winding up and down?

[jay24k]

Well, both emails stated it shipped on the 8th, but according to Fedex it wasn't delivered to them till yesterday so I'll be getting mine in Thursday.

So far, what is your impression thrlide

[thrlride]

the setup is neat and easy to change once you have it set. I don't hear my pumps changing speed so I'm not quite sure what they are doing at the moment.

[EcoTech Marine]

In random modes the pumps change speed smoothly and over the course of a long time, so you are not likely to hear them changing at all.

-Tim

[toefutoefutoefu]

Mine weren't supposed to come in until Thurs, but apparently they just came in now. Will probably head home for lunch.

woohoo

[andyjd]

Fedex seemed to have "misplaced" mine :(

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10942266#post10942266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
Fedex seemed to have "misplaced" mine :(

contact us if we can help.

[andyjd]

Scott,

i will do once they get back to me, they have initiated a "trace" on the package.

Regards

Andy

[GSMguy]

Mine should be here in the next couple hours. :)

[Gobie74]

Mine's been delivered, can't wait to get out of work to play with my new toy :)

[Aquaduck]

Mine are taking their sweet time getting to me. Sitting somewhere in TN. They've got to go all the way up to Canada yet....

[GSMguy]

im home and Fed ex is taking too long
humph ;)

[mrcrab]

mine arrived first thing this morning but I just sent all my pumps in yesterday to be refurbished, had a few small issues with a couple and wanted to be in tip top shape before I put the new drivers on. :rolleyes:

Hurry up Dave! :D

[bureau13]

C'mon Gobie74. I know you're feeling a bit under the weather right now. You don't want to infect your coworkers do you???

:D

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10942947#post10942947 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gobie74
Mine's been delivered, can't wait to get out of work to play with my new toy :)

[GSMguy]

i got mine and there is a 2 inch wave kicking across my tank fish are loving it.

[mrcrab]

So.....let's see it! Get that video camera out!

[neverwouldof]

Received my three.... have one setup testing in my smaller tank. Looks good and seems to work well!

[liver]

Is there any sort of "night mode" that kicks in automatically or do you have to slow them down manually?

[mcegelsk]

I just received my two. I just set them up. Here is my quick documentation (pics only) for how to get them up and running. I also included a date stamp to ensure it showed how long it took. I took picks on the first and the final pic will show overall time to master/slave them.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02798.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02800.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02801.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02802.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02803.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02804.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02805.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02806.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02807.jpg

[mcegelsk]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02808.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02809.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02810.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02811.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02812.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02813.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02814.jpg

[mcegelsk]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02815.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02816.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/mcegelsk/Fish/DSC02817.jpg

And there you have it. I just quickly set it up in Reef Crest but will play with it more in pulse and others. It would be nice to know the overall algorithm for the lagoon and reef crest but I'm guessing that won't happen. Are there good recommendations for sync/antisync with either of those two?

~Matt

[robster]

I got mine today. Just 1 day after they were shipped. I can't seem to get mine do work in anti-sync mode. I have the master set to purple and the slave set to orange. They both seem tobe doing the same thing. Any suggestions? I want to get some wave action going.

[steve414]

Thanks for the pics.. NOW! I'm going to really have a hard time waiting.

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10945406#post10945406 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robster
I got mine today. Just 1 day after they were shipped. I can't seem to get mine do work in anti-sync mode. I have the master set to purple and the slave set to orange. They both seem tobe doing the same thing. Any suggestions? I want to get some wave action going.

Make sure the drivers are line of sight from each other and not more than 8-10 feet apart.

[robster]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10945843#post10945843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Make sure the drivers are line of sight from each other and not more than 8-10 feet apart.

They are an inch away from each other. The only I can get to do back and fourth motion is in pulse mode. I"m not quite sure what it is suppose to be doing in lagoon or crest as master and the other as antisync slave. I was thinking it would do similar to pulse mode. Guess not.

[AquariumSpecialty]

I'm sure Ecotech will help you with this in the AM. I have mine hooked up now but I still consider myself a beginner on the setup and operation.

[EcoTech Marine]

In either of the two random modes you won't actually see much of a difference between the two pumps (especially if you have the max speed of the master set to low), however, an anti-sync'ing slave will be doing the opposite.

The random modes are NOT a back and forth type of movement, that is what pulse is for. Your pumps are behaving normally.

-Tim

[robster]

I figured it out. To get the wave you have to use pulse/antisync mode. I was missing the second tuning step of the pulse mode. I love them. The only feature I wish they had was a timer to set different modes during different times. Thanks for getting those out to me so quickly. Since I in Charlotte they arrived in one day. I think I will have to look at ordering more from you in the future. Maybe Santa will bring me a Bubbleking mini for Christmas this year.

[GSMguy]

Check out the surge action these shots are not from a bugeye lens that is the wave action

sickkkkkkkk

First it goes down low in the middle
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/IMG_0346.jpg
then it gets high in the center low on the sides in a surging action this is sooooo cool
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/IMG_0354.jpg

this all happens about once a second.

[opiumpipez]

that looks sweet!

ugh i hope aquacave has shipped...anyone else purchase from them?

[KEstep]

OMG you guys are killing me. I want mine now! Why did I have to live so far from wherever these shipped from :)

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10945843#post10945843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Make sure the drivers are line of sight from each other and not more than 8-10 feet apart.

Time Out. They have to be line of sight and within 10 feet?

Line of Sight? You have got to be kidding!

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10947401#post10947401 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Time Out. They have to be line of sight and within 10 feet?

Line of Sight? You have got to be kidding!

I'm a bit concerned about this too as I was planning 2 on one side of the tank for wave action and 2 on the rear to churn it up. The back of the tank is covered with solid black acrylic. The tank is 8' long and 30" deep.

Is this going to be an issue guys?

[liver]

line of sight is for the drivers not the pumps

[jay24k]

Yes, but the placement of mine does not put them in the line of sight. I have them on the outside of the tank on the sides so I can easily control them. Can Ecotech confirm this because I don't recall this ever being stated? I can't imagine something being wireless that only stretches 10 feet and can't penetrate wood. Perhaps this is just the initial troubleshooting step to see if they communicate and then move them? Didn't the MACNA video about a year ago show the guy walking away like 20+ feet away with it?

[IceCap Service]

They must be in line of sight.

Note: The wireless signal range is roughly 10 feet when drivers are within a direct line of site. Masters and slaves must all be set and operate closely to one another to avoid signals being missed. If a pump generates a red/blue error message, this means that the master and slave pumps were not close enough to one another when they were setup. The wireless signal will not pass through water.

Please go to http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1224589 and read closely as this will answer most questions and solve most issues..

[jay24k]

Does it require LOS if under the 10 feet range? I have a 6 foot range roughly seperate by wood for my drivers. I'm sure I can make this work, but these limitations should of been disclosed ahead of time. Is it a restriction on the wireless that they couldn't use a higher penetrating/distance signal?

[GSMguy]

well my wave is still kicking and the pump is cooler to the touch, so i imagine im using much less electricity to move much more water than just running the pump on at 100% all day.

[andyjd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10948865#post10948865 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
well my wave is still kicking and the pump is cooler to the touch, so i imagine im using much less electricity to move much more water than just running the pump on at 100% all day.

Excellent news, what mode do you have them running on?

[jnarowe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10948571#post10948571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IceCap Service
They must be in line of sight.

Note: The wireless signal range is roughly 10 feet when drivers are within a direct line of site. Masters and slaves must all be set and operate closely to one another to avoid signals being missed. If a pump generates a red/blue error message, this means that the master and slave pumps were not close enough to one another when they were setup. The wireless signal will not pass through water.

Please go to http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1224589 and read closely as this will answer most questions and solve most issues..

That was posted on 10-9-07 and I have over $2K into Vortechs before the WWD and now I find out they can't be used for my tank? What am I going to do, hang the "wireless" drivers from the ceiling over my tank?

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10948652#post10948652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
Does it require LOS if under the 10 feet range? I have a 6 foot range roughly seperate by wood for my drivers. I'm sure I can make this work, but these limitations should of been disclosed ahead of time. Is it a restriction on the wireless that they couldn't use a higher penetrating/distance signal?

You'll probably be just fine with it penetrating through wood at 6'. They can penetrate through materials very well (NOT water though).

There is 8' of cable between the pump and the driver, so it really shouldn't be too hard to find a suitable mounting location.

You can start by programming them near each other and then move them further apart to operate, but in this situation you may find that the slave pump will occasionally miss a packet of information that is being sent.

-Tim

[sirjohn]

Tim,

I got my 2, but unfortunately have hardly had time to play with them. I do have two questions already!

1) When the master is set to reef crest or lagoon mode and the slave is set to anti-sync, what controls the maximum speed of the slave, the dial on the master or the dial on the slave?

2) After changing the drivers, I noticed both pumps are louder at 3/4 to maximum speed. One of them is barely louder, and it's not an issue. But the other is very loud at 3/4 to maximum speed. Fine tuning the wet side does not quiet the pump, so I am pretty sure that the wet side is not misaliagned. Also, when that pump is in pulse mode at max speed, you can clearly hear the pump whine as it ramps up to max speed before dropping to minimum speed. The spacers are set at 3/8", the size of the glass on my 92 gallon corner, and the back of the tank is painted (if that makes a difference).

Thanks.

[jnarowe]

Just got off the phone with Scott at Aquarium Specialty. Very nice guy especially since I did not buy my MP-40s from him! He is confident that we (Meaning Eco-Tech) will be able to figure out a way to make the drivers work for my install.

It's a bit of a strange circumstance because we all saw the MACNA video last year of the driver working at some decent distance, but those were not the production version and had a much greater range than what could be approved by the FCC. I certainly made the wrong assumption that they would have more than enough range for my tank room situation.

Maybe some sort of repeater could be built? Or an option to hardwire them like the AquaSurf?

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10949674#post10949674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Maybe some sort of repeater could be built? Or an option to hardwire them like the AquaSurf?

Jon- anything is possible, but in the mean time I don't believe that you will be hindered by this range in anyway. Let's just take things one step at a time.

-Tim

[jnarowe]

And I just got an email from Tim stating that he doesn't think the range issue will be a big deal. We will have to plan the install carefully though, and I may have to run alternative power plugs since they are not installed in a central location.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10948934#post10948934 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
Excellent news, what mode do you have them running on?

Pulse mode 100% power, rapid pulse second fastest pulse setting i think.

its just one pump. :)

[andyjd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10949853#post10949853 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
Pulse mode 100% power, rapid pulse second fastest pulse setting i think.

its just one pump. :)

Excellent, i'm going to have fun with 2 on my 90G :D

[Aquaduck]

Got mine today. Very fast delivery. Going to "play" tonight after work. :)

[andyjd]

In and working, on Reef-Crest random mode at the moment.

[bureau13]

Holy crap, really? That was just one? For some reason I thought you had four, and I was wondering if the 2 pumps on my 240 were going to be able to get anything going. Wow.

jds

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10949881#post10949881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
Excellent, i'm going to have fun with 2 on my 90G :D

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10950811#post10950811 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
In and working, on Reef-Crest random mode at the moment.
work with pulse start at the most random and slowly like over 2 minutes turn up until wave starts then watch and try and fine tune to get it to move al at once.

oh and 100% power on pulse makes it work easiest.

[melev]

Mine just came in. Off to install them. :)

[CW from the OC]

Great job EcoTech and Scott for getting these out so fast. Sounds like it was worth the wait. Can't wait for mine.

[CW from the OC]

Great job EcoTech and Scott for getting these out so fast. Sounds like it was worth the wait. Can't wait for mine.

[CW from the OC]

Can someone comment on the difference between reef-crest and lagoon modes? I'm assuming reef crest is higher speed and intensity?

[andyjd]

How do you go back and change the pulse mode settings ?

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10951310#post10951310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
How do you go back and change the pulse mode settings ?
while in pulse mode press set, proceed with step one power setting then step 2 pulse setting and you can now adjust the pulse until you get it right

[andyjd]

OK ta..sorted I'm impressed!

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10951422#post10951422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
OK ta..sorted I'm impressed!

you got the Wave?

[andyjd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10951450#post10951450 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
you got the Wave?

I'm waving now :wavehand: :D

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10951498#post10951498 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyjd
I'm waving now :wavehand: :D

So where's the video?

[andyjd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10951552#post10951552 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
So where's the video?



(terrible quality,using video mode on digital camera.

Have to excuse the state of the tank, been hectic, now trying to get it cleaned up and back as it should be.Here (http://www.two-strokes.com/images/RC/smallwave.mpg)

[EcoTech R&D]

Reef Crest Random Mode randomly changes speed in quick jumps between highs and lows throughout the day.

Lagoon Random Mode makes subtler less dramatic changes over the course of the day.

To give an example: Two pumps, both set at the highest speed, will vary their speed during the day. The pump operating in lagoonal mode will might go from 100% -> 90% -> 85% -> 70% over a minute or so. Where the pump operating in Reef Crest Mode might go from 100% - 20% -> 90% -> 50% and so on.

An example may be seen here:
http://www.ecotechmarine.com/images/mp40wrme.jpg

Cheers, Justin

[melev]

I've got mine hooked up, and have taken my time with the instructions to make sure I understood them. I have two pumps (#1 & #2) at one end that I want to run in pulse mode to create a minor wave. At the opposite end, I want to run that pump (#3) in Reef Crest mode (nice graph).

I set one pump (#1) as master for the two on one end, and the second one (#2) as slave. In Pulse mode, the Master is blue, and the slave is white. The Master is flashing the blue based on the rate I chose, but the slave's LED doesn't change and stays white. They need to run in sync mode, correct?

The single pump (#3) was set to Master, but it seemed to talk to the other's slave (#2), so I reset that single pump's (#3) memory. I've set it to Reef Crest. Still, the slave (#2) from the other set sometimes flashes quite a few colors, then reverts to white. My guess is the single pump (#3) is sending some message to the other set's slave pump (#2).

Haven't been able to dial in any obvious wave yet. The slave pump (#2) feels weaker than the master pump (#1), when feeling the pumps ramping up and down.

The install was a breeze, and I know I just have to figure out how this all works. I'm glad these are finally releasing. :)

[melev]

(ignore this post)

[melev]

I'm getting a 1/4" ebb & flow now, but I have a feeling pump #2 is getting mixed signals from pump #3 because #2's LED changes all kinds of colors and my guess is this is what Reefcrest might look like.

#1 works like it should, and #3 seems to be doing what it should as well.

My BTAs are just barely swaying, which is rather nice to see.

Does it make any difference in how the flow moves (Pulse mode) when one pump is higher than the other? At MACNA, they were the same height.

[jay24k]

I got mine set up. As a FYI, mine are 6' apart going through wood and the other one is directly across about 1 inch of wood through my 40 gallon sump of water.

The only issues I have are:
1. The sticker on the driver was put on poorly. Just a sticker but for the price, it should of been put on better. Not that big of a deal.
2. The square buttons are missing on the same driver the sticker is messed up on. Other then that, pretty nifty device. Been too busy to mess with it but I'll give AS a call to see about getting replacements.

[EcoTech Marine]

Slave modes (white or orange) shouldn't change color or blink at all. Sounds like there's some cross contamination of signals or something. Email us at [email protected] and I'll try and figure out what's going on here.

In the mean time, go ahead and reset pump #1 and #2 and program them as a master and slave. Make sure they are near each other when you do this. Now reset pump #3 while it is within the vicinity of pumps #1 and #2. My hunch is the pump #3 might be set as a master pump and it may not have been set close enough to know not to use the same frequency as your other master.

-Tim

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10953514#post10953514 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k

The only issues I have are:
1. The sticker on the driver was put on poorly. Just a sticker but for the price, it should of been put on better. Not that big of a deal.
2. The square buttons are missing on the same driver the sticker is messed up on. Other then that, pretty nifty device. Been too busy to mess with it but I'll give AS a call to see about getting replacements.

1&2) I assembled all of these drivers on my own so I apologize if I put a sticker on poorly or missed some buttons. Email us at [email protected] with your address and I'll send you some buttons and a new sticker. VERY sorry about this!!

-Tim

[GSMguy]

Tim i held mode and set for 3 seconds and the pump went into a cycle of all the colors and was locked not running at all i unplugged the driver and it went back to normall

what setting did i find by pressing both buttons?

[EcoTech Marine]

GSMguy-

you are probably referring to configuration mode which is red/white/blue and triggered by holding mode and set at the same time for three seconds. It's purpose is detailed in the instruction manual and also in the FAQ that i've stickied to the top of this forum. Admittedly, the FAQ may be a little easier to follow than the instruction manual.

-Tim

[robster]

http://www.ecotechmarine.com/images/mp40wrme.jpg



Thanks Justin. That is what I have been looking for.

[jay24k]

No problem. Like I said, not a big deal. I guess you could get tired after sticking on all those stickers lol. I'll drop you an email tonight/tommorrow.

My post didn't state it well, but my tank is not line of sight for the drivers and they appear to work just fine. The polyps on my corals seem to be out extremely well this evening which is unusual. I'm running in crest anti mode.

[melev]

Crest Anti mode? So you have the pump in Crest mode, and the other in anti-sync? That sounds interesting.

Tim, sending an email.

[jay24k]

So far it seems to be working well. I haven't tested many of the modes though. Has anyone got it to get a nice mini wave?

Oh one other gripe, the screw holes are smaller to mount it to the wall/wood. Now I gotta get some smaller ones. ;)

[jnarowe]

:lol: Got to love that...Drill it out! Or use Velcro...I wish I had used Velcro on my old ones. :)

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10952392#post10952392 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I've got mine hooked up

I thought that you posted back in the original WWD swap out thread that you didn't make the distribution list for the "first wave" ? Care to share where you got it from so that others of us that didn't make that first shipment can get our drivers ? :)

[Philwd]

I'm jealous. Mine don't arrive till the 17th.

[melev]

Tom, it just sort of happened. I didn't expect it, nor request it.

[jnarowe]

and rightly so.

[APorter]

Received my 2 yesterday. I only had time to get them set-up and running in constant speed mode. Can't wait to play around with pulse and reef crest modes.

[andyjd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10955143#post10955143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
Oh one other gripe, the screw holes are smaller to mount it to the wall/wood. Now I gotta get some smaller ones. ;)

Thats my major gripe at the moment!

[SD-Fishguy]

fedex stinks. My driver delivery just got pushed back from today to the 17th. It took 4 days to get from SC to GA

[EcoTech Marine]

We're UPS guys here at ETM, I have no idea why Scott uses FEDEX :P

-Tim

[jnarowe]

All depends where you are. I use FedEx Ground primarily because they have a better history. Since I ship so many packages all over the country, I really use all the majors, and in fact prefer DHL for Over-night.

UPS has wrecked so many shipments and made baseless accusations that i really don't like to deal with them. And that's unfortunate because our local driver is one of the best in the business.

[Aquaduck]

UPS is pure evil for Canadians. That $1.00 part turns into a $51.00 part thanks to their exorbitant brokerage fees. Go Brown? Turds are brown. Now let's get the thread back on track. ;)

[KEstep]

Ok, so I got mine stup... and it is freakin cool, but OMG the noise my pumps make on pulse mode is GOD AWFUL. They are louder than the wave being created on the overflow crashing, they are louder than my cooling fans (and I have soime large fans) , and they are louder than anything else in the room. I did not ever notice before because the sound was constant but now that it alters it is driving me mad. Is anyone else having an issue with noise? Man are these things cool though.

Ohh another gripe not a biggie, I like the old screw on top for the old case, these clips were almost impossible to get open without bending the casing. I like my stuff to look new all the time.

One last thing,,, I had a defective driver a few months back (august I think) and it was replaced... However, I forgot to send back the defective driver and I just found it boxed up and ready to ship but my ******* forgot to ship it. Can I still send it back so I do not keep the charge of the replacement driver on my credit card? I found it today while i was working on the new driver.

[melev]

Tim told me today that you can open the plastic case with a utility knife. You press the blade in the back slot to wedge it between the catch and the cover. Then repeat on the opposite side. That worked for me.

The noise of ramping up and down is occurs, but it louder if you have it set to ramp up to max speed and back down again. I don't run mine that high, so it wasn't annoying.

I'm still trying to figure out what your 7 stars stand for. How does brother get all starred out? ;)

[KEstep]

LOL I didnt notice that.. I called myself a dumb a s s.

[melev]

You should have blamed it on your soon to be "ex-wife". That fits too. :D

[KEstep]

Roflmao I cant believe I did not think of that!

PS. My wallet is cursing you guys at ecotech because it knows I am going to eventually buy a third Vortech now that these controllers are out and I have played with them.

[EcoTech Marine]

KEstep-

Please email [email protected] with your issues and we'll take care of you on Monday.

-Tim

[Philwd]

Mine just showed up at my doorstep. Nice surprise FEDEX!!

[Aquaduck]

After playing with these for a while I have a couple questions:

1. Can the Cycle time be increased beyond 5 seconds when in Pulse mode?

2. Can each pump driver run independently as masters in any mode? I'm thinking I can get some really random flow patterns with my two Vortechs running independent programs. Like one doing a pulse and the other doing a reef crest.

[melev]

Each pump can be set to Master. I think I read up to 7 masters can be set up.

[robster]

Fedex is faster plus they deliver on Saturday's at no extra charge. UPS doesn't deliver on Saturdays.

I have got mine setup and have played with the different modes. I am disappointed that when set in crest or lagoon that anti-sync mode simply replicates the master (same function as sync) The only mode anti-sync is good for is pulse.

I have played quite a bit with the pulse mode. I can get a decent wave going but it appears that it some packets are missed as it gets going real good then stops and restarts. I cannot get a consistent wave going for more than a minute or so before something happens and the wave stops.

The next version of the driver needs to have a timer built in that will allow you to control which modes are used for different times of the day.

I too agree that the drivers are loud in pulse anti-sync mode. I'm still nervous about running pulse anti-sync 24/7. Right now I've been running in reef crest. Since this is the first time I have run Vortech's I am still dealing with fine sand blowing. I'm sure the fine stuff will eventually get sucked up into the filter. I was previously using Nano stream 6045's.

Maybe I will try setting each as a master next.

[Fliger]

Got em in - great packaging. I carefully opened the envelopes so I can put the old drivers back in the bubble wrap pocket - then back in the envelope. I love the plastic casing. My stickers were not centered either, but I carefully took one off and re-applied it, can't tell one bit.

I do wish there was a little notch on the knob, with a little 1-10 indicating % flowing. Its a little frustrating adjusting them and guessing where you're at - and later you can't just glance at them and see what % your using. Maybe you can just make a little sticker to go over the knob?

Thanks ETM and AS. Can't wait to see what my options are with four of these puppies.

[AquariumSpecialty]

Thank you Dave. I'm loving mine Tim:D FYI- UPS is paying a visit to us on Monday to negotiate shipping charges. We are going to see what they can offer.

[summer6]

I'm going to try and set my pair up tomorrow. I'm a little apprehensive because of all the "unknowns" with the WWD's, like problems my tank may have with wave option. I've only got about 1/2" clearance, and don't/can't lower the tank water level with the overlows.
Anyone think it might be a good idea to hold onto my original drivers rather than get the rebate?

[robster]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10961588#post10961588 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by summer6
I'm going to try and set my pair up tomorrow. I'm a little apprehensive because of all the "unknowns" with the WWD's, like problems my tank may have with wave option. I've only got about 1/2" clearance, and don't/can't lower the tank water level with the overlows.
Anyone think it might be a good idea to hold onto my original drivers rather than get the rebate?

Get the new drivers. You don't have to run it in wave (pulse) mode. Lagoon & reef crest mode are better than running at a fixed speed because it automatically adjusts the speed up and down over the day based on the max speed you set.

[Giovanni]

Got two WWD drivers yesterday that I ordered before DIYing the old drivers. Working through the weekend and can wait to start playing with these.

[summer6]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10961650#post10961650 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robster
Get the new drivers. You don't have to run it in wave (pulse) mode. Lagoon & reef crest mode are better than running at a fixed speed because it automatically adjusts the speed up and down over the day based on the max speed you set.

I've got the WWD's and will install them this weekend. You make a good point about speed adjustment-which is what we've all been waiting for these last few months. I guess I'm just a little nervous since my pumps have been running so well, now I'm changing things up, and hope it goes smoothly.:) I know my tank will benefit from the changes in speed/flow pattern.

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10960726#post10960726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Got em in - great packaging. I carefully opened the envelopes so I can put the old drivers back in the bubble wrap pocket - then back in the envelope. I love the plastic casing. My stickers were not centered either, but I carefully took one off and re-applied it, can't tell one bit.


In my case, I didn't like how the label or sticker was covering the LED window, so I took a razor blade and carefully cut it so I could peel off the sticker and expose the LED. It looks cleaner and lights up better.

I too want to thank EcoTech for finally getting these controllers out to us. It was a very long wait, but I'm excited to see how my tank enjoys the varied flow. I think Reefcrest will be the more popular option.

[AquariumSpecialty]

Oh my gosh Mark:eek1: You just voided your warranty....just kidding :D

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10960678#post10960678 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robster

I have got mine setup and have played with the different modes. I am disappointed that when set in crest or lagoon that anti-sync mode simply replicates the master (same function as sync) The only mode anti-sync is good for is pulse.



The slave pump will be doing the opposite in the random modes, however, it is a complicated algorithm and the difference may not be as noticeable as it is in pulse mode. The speeds change relatively slowly and smoothly in these modes and it's not always obvious that the speed is changing at all. Either way, it is doing the inverse.


I have played quite a bit with the pulse mode. I can get a decent wave going but it appears that it some packets are missed as it gets going real good then stops and restarts. I cannot get a consistent wave going for more than a minute or so before something happens and the wave stops.


Try moving the drivers closer, this should correct the issue. However, a falling wave is not always the result of missed packets: Because there is more than one pump in your case being used to create the wave, it is not necessarily moving perfectly centered within your aquarium, thus it is more likely to collapse than if you had just one pump creating a wave.

-Tim

[EcoTech Marine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10960726#post10960726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger

I do wish there was a little notch on the knob, with a little 1-10 indicating % flowing. Its a little frustrating adjusting them and guessing where you're at - and later you can't just glance at them and see what % your using. Maybe you can just make a little sticker to go over the knob?

There is a little notch on the knob.

-Tim

[GSMguy]

so if my pump is slightly left of center that would create a wave that is more likely to collapse?
will it work better perfectly centered on my tank?

[EcoTech Marine]

GSMguy- with one pump it shouldn't matter as much. A collapsing wave with one pump may just have to do with the pulse frequency not being spot-on or perhaps the pulses are just not always perfectly timed.

-Tim

[GSMguy]

the pulse frequency is great, and i can tell you put serious time into it. everybody who sees it is really impressed.

[jnarowe]

I need a bib.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10965181#post10965181 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I need a bib.

dude you dont have yours yet?
what up wit dat

[jnarowe]

I am always too late. I missed out on the first run of the MP-40 and had to wait so long to get them. All in good time. I have to send my pumps in for service anyway.

I am really excited by what I am seeing in the few pics that have been posted. There is a serious question as to how many I really need to create a good wave too. Since my tank is 35" deep, and has such a large water volume, there will be a lot of testing before I can get really good wave action I am sure.

The biggest issue is that they run too hot in my tank room so I have to either have fans on them, or run them at about 50 - 60% to avoid overheating. Tim feels that the new driver operates the motor more efficiently, and that combined with high and low speed fluctuations will be enough to keep them cool. So we will have to test his theory before I buy too many more pumps or get the WWD for all the ones I have.

[GSMguy]

jnarowe the WWD on pulse mode will cool them down i would think

[jnarowe]

That's what Tim thinks too. We'll find out when I get my hands on one! :) I am running one side of my tank with dedicated fans for each MP-40. That is really working well, but I want a better solution. Then I can move forward.

It's hard for me to understand, not being an EE myself, how ramping up and down will create less heat. In my mind, ramping up takes more energy than a constant speed and would probably offset the slowing down...but again, I don't have the education to really know what is going on.

Here's the million dollar question though: If you are running an MP-40 set to 100% on pulse, reef crest, or lagoon mode, what is the net flow? I am sure someone can do some mathematical analysis and figure that out, but it would be nice to know what the actual net flow s in each mode. So if I have seven pumps at 100%, what is my actual flow in each mode?

I know Eco-Tech doesn't have the time to get involved with that but maybe someone has the time to figure it out and post it?

[steelers2005]

Well my drivers arrived today!!! I was not expecting Sat. delivery, but that Scott. After doing all the reading while i was waiting I have to agree that setup was a breeze. It took 15 minutes to swap out two drivers and have everything running again...Now I just have to figure out how to set it. I know that I have the master set, but I'm not sure that the slave is set right. Should the slave be showing the same color as the master?

[KEstep]

Slave will be either orange for antisync or white for sync

[AquariumSpecialty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10965962#post10965962 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by steelers2005
Well my drivers arrived today!!! I was not expecting Sat. delivery, but that Scott. After doing all the reading while i was waiting I have to agree that setup was a breeze. It took 15 minutes to swap out two drivers and have everything running again...Now I just have to figure out how to set it. I know that I have the master set, but I'm not sure that the slave is set right. Should the slave be showing the same color as the master?

Thanks! We did a lot of WWD Sat deliveries for people. It ended up costing us $5.00 - $6.00 more per order to do it but what the heck :) .

[coraladdict]

I got my two Friday ,took 15 min to swap drivers.There's one of the two pumps that's doing some sort of washing machine sound at low and high speed which did not do before ,the other is ok.Is there a brake- in period for the drivers/pumps or is there an issue with it??
As for the rest all functions work especially the pulse mode which creates good waves.The other modes are not quite as evident as Tim mentionned but seems to be doing what they are supposed to.

[KEstep]

I have a pump that makes a very annoying high pitched hum all the time, no matter the setting. I am supposed to email them about it. There is no way I can keep the pump if it makes the noise all the time, it is that bad.

[summer6]

My husband helped me swap-out and set-up the two wwd's, and they're running on reef crest/ anti-sync mode. I have them on opposite ends of the 7' tank; one about 5" below water line, and the other 6".Nice movement in the tank, with very little sand disturbance.
Tried the constant speed mode, and lagoon (anti-sync) also, but will wait until tomorrow to test the pulse mode.
Do you think having my vortech's on opposite ends, it would be best to have the pulse set for anti-sync? I wonder if their will be a noticeable wave with a 7' span?

[sfsuphysics]

Well he said there is a wave with a single vortech on pulse on a 6 foot long tank, so yeah I think there can easily be a wave on a 7 foot with one on either side reinforcing the wave.

[summer6]

^^^Put it on pulse (max) with anti-sync for the slave pump, and have some wave action down lower in the tank, without a wave at the surface.

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10983376#post10983376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by summer6
^^^Put it on pulse (max) with anti-sync for the slave pump, and have some wave action down lower in the tank, without a wave at the surface.

you will need to dial the wave in. Turn off all the other pumps in the tank and start with short pulses slowly say over a minute leangthen the pulses until you get a real wave go slow and move the dial very small amounts at a time it is pretty sensitive to change in pulse leangth.

once you get a wave turn on the rest of your powerheads one at a time.

[summer6]

^^^I will try that. I did not dial it in that way.

[KEstep]

Well I played around today and I got the best wave I have ever made.. I am getting close to 2 inches from the lowest to highest point. It is with two Vortechs on anti sync mode on a 5 foot tank. If you listen you can hear the annoying ramping noise of the Vortechs going up and down. Kind of sounds like a frog on crack. Here is a few videos. Sorry the glass is a little dirty.

This is a side shot. The wave I get is biggest going from front to back of the tank and not length wise. It also shows how my corals sway.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave003.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave003.flv)


This is just what it looks like with some of the corals in the middle.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave006.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave006.flv)

Here is a frontal video mostly on the right side of the tank.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave007.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave007.flv)

[jnarowe]

very interesting. What happens if you lengthen the time interval? Do you get no wave or a longer wave?

[KEstep]

If the pulse is longer I do not get wave action. If it is shorter I get multiple tiny waves.

[summer6]

Thanks for putting those up. Very helpful. On the last shot of the front how long are the intervals?
Anyone know if waves put unusual stress on a tank?

[KEstep]

My intervals are set so that the pump just barely reaches full blast before it anti syncs to the other. And yes wave action does stress your tank which is why I only use it when I am showing them off to people ;)

[HBtank]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10984523#post10984523 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KEstep
If the pulse is longer I do not get wave action. If it is shorter I get multiple tiny waves.

With the longer pulse, just to the point where the wave action is stopped, how does the flow behave inside the tank? Does it still occilate?

[KEstep]

The water just shoots back and fourth and the polyps on the corals seem pretty random, and if that is what I wanted I would just use the reefcrest mode. I would really like to have one more so I could do the two on the sides reefcrest, and the new one on the back in pulse mode.

[coraladdict]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10984445#post10984445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KEstep
Well I played around today and I got the best wave I have ever made.. I am getting close to 2 inches from the lowest to highest point. It is with two Vortechs on anti sync mode on a 5 foot tank. If you listen you can hear the annoying ramping noise of the Vortechs going up and down. Kind of sounds like a frog on crack. Here is a few videos. Sorry the glass is a little dirty.

This is a side shot. The wave I get is biggest going from front to back of the tank and not length wise. It also shows how my corals sway.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave003.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave003.flv)


This is just what it looks like with some of the corals in the middle.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave006.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave006.flv)

Here is a frontal video mostly on the right side of the tank.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/th_Wave007.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/kestep434/?action=view&current=Wave007.flv)


Frog on crack you say!!!
Trying to imagine that :-)

[sfsuphysics]

What's that squeaking sound in the background? The pumps ramping up and down? Stress on the tank? Hookers using the room next door?

I think that is something that would bug me a bunch.

I wonder if there a way to slow down the frequency of the wave. Am I correct in assuming your 120 is a 4 foot long tank? I wonder if the frequency you can get is fixed for the length of a given tank.

[EcoTech Marine]

KEstep-

That high-pitched sound sounds like it might be a motor bearing going bad. Please contact our service department about it because it shouldn't be so loud.

-Tim

[KEstep]

I have but they said it was normal and to wait a few weeks. How long would it be out of commission? I am pretty reliant on the two Vortechs for water movement.

[KEstep]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10986962#post10986962 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sfsuphysics
What's that squeaking sound in the background? The pumps ramping up and down? Stress on the tank? Hookers using the room next door?

I think that is something that would bug me a bunch.

I wonder if there a way to slow down the frequency of the wave. Am I correct in assuming your 120 is a 4 foot long tank? I wonder if the frequency you can get is fixed for the length of a given tank.

That squeaking sound is the vortech, and the one i was close to is the quiet one. The one on the other side is way worse. Also the tank these are on is a 150, it is 64" long.

[EcoTech Marine]

KEstep-

I'd say after hearing the sound in your video that it's more than likely a bad bearing in the motor and not a wet side bearing (which usually does subside after a day or so).

-Tim

[mrcrab]

Trying to get a wave on an 8' tank with 1 vortech at the moment. I started with the quickest pulse and got a wave. I've kept moving to a slower and slower pulse trying to get a bigger wave. Is that possible or once I get a wave at a certain pulse is that it?

Hope I made myself clear.

Thanks

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10987521#post10987521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
Trying to get a wave on an 8' tank with 1 vortech at the moment. I started with the quickest pulse and got a wave. I've kept moving to a slower and slower pulse trying to get a bigger wave. Is that possible or once I get a wave at a certain pulse is that it?

Hope I made myself clear.

Thanks

i feel that every tank has a sweet spot wher the wave wont crash on itself

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10987553#post10987553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
i feel that every tank has a sweet spot wher the wave wont crash on itself

So basically once you find the correct pulse rate then just try and fine tune in that pulse rate area rather than keep moving along?

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10987576#post10987576 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrcrab
So basically once you find the correct pulse rate then just try and fine tune in that pulse rate area rather than keep moving along?

that is what works best for me

[mrcrab]

Thanks

[MrPike]

My intervals are set so that the pump just barely reaches full blast before it anti syncs to the other. And yes wave action does stress your tank which is why I only use it when I am showing them off to people


Is this correct?

[KEstep]

Here is the exact warning in the wireless driver's instruction manual.

Wave Motion Warning
The generation of waves within your aquarium can result in the fatigue and/or failure of the aquarium’s joints. EcoTech Marine will not be held liable for any damages incurred to your aquarium or its surroundings as a result of the generation of waves. Generate waves at your own risk.

[Fliger]

Well I'm not able to get a substantial wave or surge with only two on my 64x32x24. I think with the width it disappates. I've tried every possible combo of intensity and frequency - I actually had more of a wave with both on one side. I'll try all four and see what I can get.

[GSMguy]

fliger it takes me 10 minutes to dial my wave in in my 50g i cant imagine trying on a 210 with 4 pumps it would be much more difficult

does your elos tank have corner or center overflow?

[kysard1]

How do the 2" waves affect your overflows?

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10993765#post10993765 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
fliger it takes me 10 minutes to dial my wave in in my 50g i cant imagine trying on a 210 with 4 pumps it would be much more difficult

does your elos tank have corner or center overflow?

Don't understand why you think it would take longer with more pumps. As long as they are syc'd or anti-sync'd should be the same.

I've been fiddling with my tank, 8' X 30" X 30" with a coast to coast overflow. I first tried one pump pulsed and got a little wave, not much but motion and one heck of a snow storm. I'm working with 2 on opposite ends anti-sync'd at the moment and am generating one about 3/4" from trough to peak. All my rockwork is on pillars and runs down the middle of the tank so I have that working against me too.

Tonight I'll move both to the same end and see if I can do any better with them sync'd.

Just wanted to give kudos to Dave at Icecap too as I was having a few issues with all my pumps and sent them to icecap for refurbishment before putting on the new WWD's. They're running better now than they did brand new! :D

[Philwd]

The overflow question has me wondering. I feed my skimmer directly off my overflow. If I add waves and this causes surges down the piping will this affect skimmer performance? Not talking about skimming top 1" vs. 3 ". Just the surge of water then no water as the wave propogates down the tank.

[Fliger]

Yeah I'll try later tonight. I'll keep fiddling with it - I have them on anti-sync, 100% flow, about 8" below the water line. I'm really not concerned with the wave appearance, but I like the idea of rocking to keep detritus suspended. I think the way the new Profilux controllers are getting the Tunzes to create such incredible waves is that it pulses incrementally upward.

I doubt I'll have time to get the other two online this week, so I have some time to fiddle. I also have a Profilux controller - I'd like to use two Vortechs and two Tunzes, one set for waves, the other set for flow. Not sure which will be best for which application. But I'm leaning towards the VT's for flow since I like the wide flow.

[robster]

Fliger, Do you have any links to video of the Proflux/Tunze waves?

[Fliger]

I'll PM you robster.

[mrcrab]

I took one to my LFS this afternoon and put it on their 180 display, 6' long and had a 1 1/2" wave rockin it in a couple of minutes. He was very impressed a bit pricey for his clientel though.

[jnarowe]

Maybe he needs better clientel?

[mrcrab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10995325#post10995325 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Maybe he needs better clientel?

He's got ME...how much better can it get? :D

Let's just say it's not in the best part of town anymore. He's been there for 35 years.

[coraladdict]

Just to let you guys/gals know that I'm very satisfied with the new drivers.At the begining one of the pumps had an anoying sound but Dave from Ecotech suggested to change wet side which I did and they are now both running smoothly.