20Gal long setup pictures

[bottlecapp09]

Hey guys,
I took my 20gal long tank and wanted to make it into a nano reef. The demensions are 30"x12"x12". I divided the tank by taking 23in for the nano reef and 6in for the refugium. I have a 65watt Coral Life bulb on the reef tank and for the refugium i have a Coral Life 18watt agua life bulb. Filtration is an overflow where the power head pushs the water back into the middle of the tank. My base is a mixture between fine and thicker crushed coral.
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[bottlecapp09]

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[bottlecapp09]

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[sprinj76]

Very interesting setup. What do you plan on keeping in it?

Keep us up-to-date with lots of pics.

Are you planning on getting live rock for your tank? and if so from where?

Nice tank, and good luck to you.

[suppressivefire]

i would change the lighting but other than that nice.

[littlefish72]

Looking good buddy.........can't wait to see it with live rock and calerpa in it

[bottlecapp09]

anyone have some suggestions for a new light?

[bottlecapp09]

yeh i was planing on eventually adding on a more powerful light. For what i want to start with will be fine. I plan on just getting some basic polyps and mushrooms. I am getting fiji live rock out of our show tank at work so its been sitting for awhile so it should be really nice. I am going to get a pair of clownfish for the tank not sure which ones to go with yet. Any suggestions would be appreciated and i will def keep you guys updated with pictures.
thanks

[suppressivefire]

check out my thread i have a 10 gallon with a 150 watt mh and i love it!

[Phong33]

Go with 4x24w HO T5 (with individual reflectors)

[twelvejewelz]

i see one problem. if u use a reverse schedule for your refugium then it will leak too much light into the main display. should have used black acrylic perhaps?

[bottlecapp09]

twelvejewlz what do you mean by reverse schedule for the refugium? Do i need to do reverse schedule?

[littlefish72]

keep the light on the refugium on 24/7 and it will be like a night light for the fish...........and eventually coraline algae will grow and block the light from the refugium reducing the light

[bottlecapp09]

is that what i want?

[bottlecapp09]

Here is the tank now that it is mostly clear. 1.22am. All the lights out in my room
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Both lights on
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just the refugium light on.

[Rosseau]

The idea behind the reverse lighting is this...

When plants (macro algae in your fuge, and the zooxanthellae on all of yoru corals) are undergoing photosynthesis when they have light they are essentially taking CO2 from the water. When photosynthesis cannot occur respiration takes over and these organisms put CO2 into the water.

Why does CO2 matter? Mainly for the sake of pH.


In these small tanks there is the possibility to see pH swing up and down when the lights come on and off.

If you have the fuge light on when the display lights are of and vice versa. The idea is that photosynthesis = respiration (roughly) throughout the day. Thus, no pH swings.


This sort of depends on how much respiration/photosynthesis is going on in your tank.... you may be fine if you aren't overly stocked.


You could always drain the tank (since it is not stocked) and spray paint the insides of the fuge area. This is what I would do.



Looks good though! Really.



Sorry if you knew all that... I like to ramble on to myself on RC these days.......

[bottlecapp09]

would i need to put a black insert in or paint it? because if i dont need to then i probably wont because it would just be a pain to drain it all out again? What type of spray paint would i need to spray inside the refugium?

[bottlecapp09]

can I just seal a background to the inside of the refugium? What i mean is put a seal around the outside of the background on the inner wall facing the reef tank? Is the back ground toxic?

[Rosseau]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10997646#post10997646 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bottlecapp09
would i need to put a black insert in or paint it? because if i dont need to then i probably wont because it would just be a pain to drain it all out again? What type of spray paint would i need to spray inside the refugium?

Krylon Fusion is generally used a good non-toxic in tank paint.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10998434#post10998434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bottlecapp09
can I just seal a background to the inside of the refugium? What i mean is put a seal around the outside of the background on the inner wall facing the reef tank? Is the back ground toxic?

I have no idea if it is toxic.

I'm sure you could do this, though I don't know how good it will look. You will probably be able to tell that what you have done, unless you can get a nice tight fit. I don't know about that.

[Rosseau]

You don't need to do this at all. The tank will be fine and healthy without the divider blacked out.

You will just light from the fuge light mixing with light from your display - this might affect the colours you are hoping to get from you lighting.

[TOGA]

NICE

[bottlecapp09]

the tank is doing great i am adding a wetdry to it also :) its coming together just great pictures up really soon

[bottlecapp09]

and i am not putting the back ground up i am going to get a different type of algea that requires 12-16hrs of light so i wont need the light on at night time then

[Phong33]

Its a good idea to put the fuge on a reverse light schedule but it really isn't necessary so don't worry about it too much.

[bottlecapp09]

thanks guys, i will put a block in eventually if i need to but for right now i want to get it setup. i have an awsome little wetdry after the refugium but my mom took my camera so i will post pictures tonight. :)

[bottlecapp09]

dose anyone know much about the Current USA Fission Nano Skimmer? Is it any good or is it crap?
http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18491/si1381790/cl0/currentusafissionnanoskimmer

[InsaneClownFish]

I believe it was nanotuners themselves that told me what junk they are..:p For the size look into something like the Tunze Doc nanoskimmer.

[InsaneClownFish]

I believe it was nanotuners themselves that told me what junk they are..:p For the size look into something like the Tunze Doc nanoskimmer.

I believe the new skimmer Current is coming out with for their new Solana tank is supposed to be significantly better.

[bottlecapp09]

hey guys :) i just bought 5 seahores from my LFS because i was told they are perfect for cycling your tank. i hope its true because they cost a lot. pictures will be up soon of my wetdry

[Slakker]

...uh...worst lfs ever. They'll probably die.

[NanoReefWanabe]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11010395#post11010395 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bottlecapp09
hey guys :) i just bought 5 seahores from my LFS because i was told they are perfect for cycling your tank. i hope its true because they cost a lot. pictures will be up soon of my wetdry

my goodness i hope you are not serious....that is the worst news i have heard today...why on earth would anyone tell you to cycle a tank with fish, let alone seahorses is beyond me...intensely cruel to animals doing that...

your tank should cycle fine with a piece of nice fresh grimy live rock...

your tank is looking good though...

personally i would have made the pump area larger and the sediment area smaller...(ie reverse the sizes you have currently...i have a 20 gallon display and i lose about 1/2 gallon a day of water...if you lose half a gallon your pump chamber will dry up..

[mangus7175]

I actually built a similar setup to yours and it's been cycling for the last 3 weeks....I cycled my stuff with a grocery bought cocktail shrimp...I would advise against putting anything alive in there while it's cycling.

Here's some pics of my setup....

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[Rosseau]

Good looking frag tank mangus.


bottlecapp, I am going along with those other outraged posts... I hope you're joking.

Although, based on my experience, I could see Big Al's recommending something like that.

[doryarlin955]

I would definately find a home for the seahorses in someone else's tank, they're very fragile animals and if you don't get them out soon they WILL not survive very long in a cycling tank... especially 5. Your lfs was lying big time. I do hope your only joking though...

[CPT. MURPHY]

It looks like you have a metal hose clamp attached to the return powerhead. You should get the metal one out asap and replace it with a plastic one (you can get them at lowes or hd).

Totally agree with everyone else on the seahorses find them a new home right away.

CPT.

[bottlecapp09]

hey sorry guys i have been trying to get back on to tell you i am kidding, yeh i got the medal clamp out like 2min after i took those pictures, the tank is going great still no live rock need more money :(

[bottlecapp09]

once my tank has finished cycling would you guys remove the bio balls or leave them? I must say evaporation is crazy its drops acouple inches a week, and thats awsome mangus7175 that we have such a similiar tank, my two cycling fish are a male and female balloon molly.

[mangus7175]

You're cycling your tank with live fish? I hope not.

I would remove the bioballs actually right now. I would use LR rubble instead. The bioballs will become a nitrate trap which will not be good for your tank. When you tank evaps use RO/DI water to top-off. I have to manually top-off my tanks every few days...it'll become a hassle so you might even think of getting an "automatic top-off (ATO)" system going.

Good Luck!

[Alaska_Phil]

Nice looking start on your tank. I set up a 20 long a year ago. It's recovering from several months of negect at the moment, but here's some recent photos http://www.mosquitonet.com/~wanderer/tanks/tank.htm

I love the idea of blocking off part of the tank for refugium, wish I'd thought of that. I'm currently planing to set up a second 20 long as a sump/refugium. As you can see from the photos the tank is kind of it's own refugium at the moment with all the turf algae. But on the plus side, my phosphate and Nitrate stay undetectable.

Evaporation on these small tanks can be a killer, I have to add about a quart of RO/DI water a day to keep my salinity stable.

I've been running skimmerless for about 6 months since I removed the Prizm skimmer I started with. It was an old worn out one a friend loaned me, and just wasn't doing anything. Got a Tunze Nano Skimmer on order, will let you know what I think once it's been running a while.

Again, cool looking tank. Nice to see others using the 20 Long!

Phil

[avp]

mangus7175,

Could you post a few more pics and details of the refugium side of your tank? I'm thinking of doing the same thing to a 50 (30x18x24) I have sitting around.

thanks,

-avp

[bottlecapp09]

i was thinking about that, if insert LR rubble in where the bio balls are should I keep them fully submerged or have water trickle over them? I will have some pictures up later tonight after work.

[mangus7175]

I have mine submerged since it would be a good place for copepods to develop which will in turn provide food for your future inhabitants.

[bottlecapp09]

thanks, yeh i am going to get 40lbs of live rock and abounch of rubble.

[bottlecapp09]

hey guys, i did a water test today and my nitrates were 10ppm and my amonia was 1ppm. I figured as soon as I get some live rock friday and it cycles alittle more my nitrates will go down as long as the amonia. I am curious to if a dawrf lion fish would be okay in my 20gal for a little while. he measures about 1in.

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[avp]

if your tank is cycling, don't add fish it's that simple. While he might make it, he won't be happy. You got to be careful feeding him and reove anything he doesn't eat, otherwise it's just more food for the ammonia cycle.

Not to sound harsh (but it probably will) doesn't your profile list your occupation as a fish store employee? Are the guys at work not helping you with your tank?

-avp

[bottlecapp09]

o no they do help me, its just nice getting another opinion, and also whats the purpose of this website if you cant get re-enforcement on opinions and questions?

[NanoReefWanabe]

your tank should be cycling with rock...not sand....and especially not fish..with out live rock or actual live sand there is no benefical bacteria in your system to eat the ammonia and trates and trites..and the only reason your parametes are even some what stable is due to your water changes (if your doing any) whch you shouldnt until your tank has pretty much fully cycled...

waiting is pointless....even fully cured rock will have die off in transport and start a whole new mini cycle.....and if you have fresh rock then you will be waiting quite a while before you should even think about adding any fish...

wow that sounded incredible rude...i am sorry i was in way trying to be..

[zack85]

bump

[Alaska_Phil]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11040606#post11040606 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bottlecapp09
hey guys, i did a water test today and my nitrates were 10ppm and my amonia was 1ppm. I figured as soon as I get some live rock friday and it cycles alittle more my nitrates will go down as long as the amonia. I am curious to if a dawrf lion fish would be okay in my 20gal for a little while. he measures about 1in.

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I'm a bit confused. If all you have in the tank so far is clean new sand, why do you have ANY Nitrates or Ammonia?! You need some source of nutrients to start cycling a tank. Some live rock curing, a cocktail shrimp, a pinch of fish food something...did I miss that somewhere? If not where are the nitrates and ammonia coming from? You didn't use tap water did you?

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

lets see, phil i do have two mollies in the tank, i took abounch of crap sand from the refug at work to help get started and used bio balls. The only question is why is my refug getting brown but not my main tank?
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I saw at homedept the 20watt and 50watt halogen bulbs. Cand I use them for another light source?
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[Rosseau]

Unfortunately halogen won't work.

I (and others) have looked into this.

Firstly, these lights don't produce close to the optimal wavelengths necessary for photosynthesis in coral system.

Secondly, they are very inefficient. Heat output from these lights is enormous and will only cause more problems for you.

It's a shame because they are cheap and readily available.


What will work from home depot are power compact (spiral bulbs). Though, the spectral ouput of these also varies, be sure to read up on them before purchasing.

http://www.beloblog.com/KGW_Blogs/weather/archives/compact-fluorescent-bulb.jpg

[Rosseau]

I've used them over my fuge and have had great chaeto growth.

[bottlecapp09]

thats sounds like a really good idea, thanks guys for the help. The tank is doing really well and I should be getting some LR tonight. We will see

[bottlecapp09]

Hey dose anyone know about a DIY compact light setup. I want to go to my local elctrical supply house and make my own Comact light or make my own t5 setups. What would guys do? I think i am going to setup four t5's and also run my 65wat 50/50 coral life compact.

[Alaska_Phil]

You can fit all that above a 20? :D
I've used these Compact fluorescent kits before and really like them. Quality reflectors are very important. One of their 2x55W kits would light your tank up very nicely.
www.ahsupply.com

Phil

[mangus7175]

if you're planning on T5 I would stick with it. They offer various bulb configurations that should meet all your needs. I would suggest having your actinic and daylight to be on separate switches to control your sunrise and sunset settings.

Check out this site, it might offer some ideas.

http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5_Fluorescent/IceCap/SLR_Retrofit_Kits/

If you are planning on a DIY setup I would suggest a retrofit kit. This will allow you to setup your reflector, ballast and, bulb choices to be more versatile.

Currently I only use retrofit setups on my two tanks (currently running three).

T5's on my 10G
PC's on my 20G
and Viper 150W MH on my 20L

[Alaska_Phil]

Mangus
Have you used those kits before? I've got a 55 I want to upgrade the lighting on and need to know how wide their reflectors are so I can figure out how many will fit above a 13" wide tank. Also, are the reflectors decent shaped or just a C channel?
Thanks.

Phil

[dskrezyna]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11027549#post11027549 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Alaska_Phil
Nice looking start on your tank. I set up a 20 long a year ago. It's recovering from several months of negect at the moment, but here's some recent photos http://www.mosquitonet.com/~wanderer/tanks/tank.htm

Phil

Phil, love your 20g long tank! Nice photos.

[Alaska_Phil]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11059368#post11059368 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dskrezyna
Phil, love your 20g long tank! Nice photos.

Thanks :)

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

hey guys,
here is some updated photos of my tank.
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still have some more LR on the way ^
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a close up ^
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are these guys little feather dusters? ^

[bottlecapp09]

heres a bigger picture
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there is about 6 of these guys about the size of a dime.

[Rosseau]

I think you've got an aiptasia anemone.

Don't be too excited though!

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/aiptasia/aiptasia.htm

[bottlecapp09]

alright yeh i am starting to think you are right after reading that. I am not to worried because they said some red footed hermits or peppermints will eat them also. Alil upset about this if they are anemones but o well i will have it taken care of.

[littlefish72]

they are easy to get rid of..........peppermints will eat small ones and joe's juice will take care of the big ones...........just be glad it's not majano.........I hate those freaking things

[bottlecapp09]

they arnt to big. some i cant find anymore, so i dont know where they went

[bottlecapp09]

they are glass anemones, they moved from the LR to my substrate nothing a peppermint shrimp can snack on. I dont see anymore in my tank but i was able to remove them by lifting up the piece or cushed coral they were on.

[bottlecapp09]

Heres some updated pictures, I added an auto fill so when evaporation occurs I wont need to add any water in until the bottle runs out.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/bottlecapp09/IMG_4741.jpg
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http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l223/bottlecapp09/IMG_4745.jpg

I am also cleaning out the refugium and replacing it with LR.

[Rosseau]

Can you show us how your auto fill works?

[bottlecapp09]

yep

[bottlecapp09]

Alright, sometimes I am not home for acouple days and my tank evaps really quickly.
As the water level drops below the tube the bottle will release enough water to where the end of the tube is submerged. Gavity prevents the botttle from completely emptying. Its a cheap way to create a costum autofill.
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[jvdb]

What will work from home depot are power compact (spiral bulbs). Though, the spectral ouput of these also varies, be sure to read up on them before purchasing.

http://www.beloblog.com/KGW_Blogs/weather/archives/compact-fluorescent-bulb.jpg

Melev has a great PC bulb comparo, it's better to get the flood light versions (basically the same spiral PC bulb, but with the reflector built in) you just have to get the right color spectrum:

http://www.melevsreef.com/fuge_bulb.html

[bottlecapp09]

Yeh I was looking into them, but I decided I am going to go with T5 fixtures from homedepot

[RumLad]

Be careful of the spectrum of light that the HD T5 's put out. I have only seen lights that run up to 6500k( aka daylight bulbs). That will make them very good for growing cheato, or hair algea, but not much else. You can look for replacement bulbs at reekgeek.com. Check out the geismann (sp?) replacements. Will you be building a canopy for them? If so, look at the retrofit kits on reefggek as well. It may be better in the long run.

[bottlecapp09]

Hey guys, so my tank has been setup for 22days which is 3weeks and 1 day. I was wondering what you guys think if a good combination of fish. I want to do one clown fish and lets say 3 green chromis. Dose anyone have any objections to this or suggestions to what i should do. Also I am switching out the Algea to pack my refugium with LR.
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My lights are a 65watt Coral Compact 50/50 and a single 14watt fluorescent light strip. So the grand total is 5.266watts per gallon. Soon to replace the fluorescent light with two T5 lights. :)

[Alaska_Phil]

I think 1 clown and 3 chromis would be a pretty heavy load on a 20 gal. Especially if you want corals too. Plus, the chromis are fast active swimmers and would be pretty cramped in there. I have 1 occillarious clown, 1 rainfords goby, 1 antenna goby and a peppermint shrimp.

You're current lighting is almost identical to mine, I've got the same 65W Coralife and an AGA 20W NO strip. I'm using a 10,000k in the 65W and an Actinic in the NO strip. I'm planning to upgrade to an AH Supply 2x55W set-up soon. Although my encrusting monti is growing fast, and I've recently found an volunteer SPS of some sort that's doubled in size in the past month...so how much better can it get? :)

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

hey phil thaks for the suggestions i appreciate that. I like the light setup i have it will be sufficient for the time being until I step it up. That 2x55watt bulbs will be very nice.

[bottlecapp09]

Also what type of lighting do clams require? I am just a little curious about them.

[zma21]

Clams require lots of light, and lots of calcium.

[bottlecapp09]

thought so, thanks zma21.

[InsaneClownFish]

That's right, clams need pretty intense lighting. They use calcium to build their shells. They also make use of trace amounts of magnesium and even iodine(although you probably should NEVER does iodine unless you really know what you are doing..and it's not a requirement of keeping clams).

Clams over 3 inches are considered significantly hardier than clams under 3 inches. Clams over 3 inches derive all of their "food" from light(radiation). Clams under 3 inches are alot more sensitive as they require supplemental feedings of phytoplankton, along with the intense light, to sustain and grow.

Clams are natural water filterers, but they shouldn't be used for this purpose. It's been surmised they actually like a small amount of nitrate in the water. However, they do thrive in a "clean" tank.

There are also very specific "keeping" requirements for each type of clam. Check out the Tricand and Mollusks forum for all the answers.

[bottlecapp09]

Yeh Clams seem like a pain to have to take care of. I was just wondering for my tank I am going with polyps and mushrooms and some other little fish

[blackheart]

Hey bottle,
where are you in PA? I might be able to start you off with a frag or two for your new tank. Maybe a couple zoas and a mushroom or something. Also, which LFS do you work for? Clams are awsome to have more experience to add them to your system.

PS: get those bio balls out of there already

GO EAGLES!!!!!

[dsn112]

He works at Big als in East Norriton

[bottlecapp09]

hahaha yeh I got the Bioballs out. I just wanted to get my system started and cycled and now its completely cycled and I think I am getting some new additions today or tomorrow when I work.

[bottlecapp09]

Heres some updated pictures,
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[InsaneClownFish]

Coming along...what the heck kind of fish is that?!?

[bottlecapp09]

HAHAHA its a balloon molly, I have two haha they helped get my tank cycled. They are going back soon, and I have more LR on the way.

[InsaneClownFish]

Weird! :)

[bottlecapp09]

Hey worked well enough to get my tank cycled ;-) I think I am getting some purple mushrooms tomorrow.

[danoreef]

nice tank. Cant wait to see the progress, keep up the good work.

[bottlecapp09]

thanks danoreef, I am actually taking my time with this tank. Tomorrow I hope to have acouple more additions to my tank.

[danoreef]

patience is a virtue, slow and steady wins the race

[bottlecapp09]

here are some new additions to my tank :)
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[danoreef]

what kind of anemone is that? I would like to get one for my clown.

[bottlecapp09]

To be honest I a drawing a blank, its a long tenticle and it is about the size or a half dollar (coin). My clarkii is a youngster also and boy dose he love his buddy. Here are some new pictures of me tank and some new polyps.
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Thats my new beautiful mexican turbo snail :)

[kar93]

not to be pessimistic or anything but anemones shouldn't really be in a newly cycled tank they will be alot better of in a well established tank such as 6 months mimimum

[bottlecapp09]

Yeh I understand, but it's alright my anemone is eating well and my clarkii.

[danoreef]

great looking tank, nice pics.

[ReefEze]

Very nice looking starter tank. I like how you are taking the time to do things yourself.

But please tell me you dont work in the marine department.

[bottlecapp09]

Here is some updated pictures.
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[bottlecapp09]

Hey,
I got some questions about whats going on.
First day I got everything:
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[bottlecapp09]

Today:
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What do you think of the last photo is there anything I should do about those corals or do they look like they will be okay? I dont know what is bothing them. :-/

[littlefish72]

Do a water change and/or get your water tested........test ammonia, nitrite, pH, and salinity..........but do the water change asap

[Alaska_Phil]

Your corals all look closed up and pretty unhappy in those photos. Unless the lights had just come on. Like Littlefish said, test all your water parameters first, if they all look good then we can start looking for something else.

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

I just did a 5gal water change on my tank. I tested for everything; everything was perfect no amonia, nitrates, nitrites, and ph was at 8.1 and salinity is 1.022. The temperature of the tank is 80.1. Could I have to much light on my tank?

[jacksonpt]

I'd bring the salinity up to 1.025 or so, but do it VERY slowly.

[LionfishFinatic]

no i don't think it is too much light. do you have anything copper (copper pipes) around the tank??? I know this one guy just kept killing his corals even though his params were in check. Did you acclimate the corals? it also may be you put them to close to the light too fast as well.

[scottydo]

Ohh, those don't look happy. :eek:

[bottlecapp09]

umm copper is a good question. I will test for that and get back to you with that. I did acclimate my corals and for the distance from the light, it was far enough away. I did re-aquascape the tank today with a higher ledge for the polyps and leather that wasn't opening. The hammer is closed from being moved which is expected and everything seems to look better.
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Alittle picture of the flow in my tank:
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[Alaska_Phil]

Frequent rearranging is also rough on corals. They have to re-acclimate to each new location. If your water parameters are all OK, then just sit tight and be patient.

Just keep an eye open for any obvious irritants. I had a toadstool leather that suddenly wouldn't open. Finally discovered my lawnmower blennie had made it his favorite perch.

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

I was just watching my tank, and one of my blue legged hermit crabs was onto of the polyps. I also found one of my snails barried in a rock of polyps.
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[bottlecapp09]

The hermits seem to be irritating everything, I saw another blue legged on the hammer but is off now. What would you guys do?

[Rosseau]

The re-arranged rock looks much much better in my opinion.


How long are the lights on for each day?

How is the fuge looking?

They may just need a few more days to figure out what is going on before opening up... it's hard to say, nothing seems off to me with the info you've given us.

On a side note, and not one you want to hear, I would look into how other reefs with the crushed coral substrate (instead of sand) have turned out. I have no personal experience, however I have read around that they can cause some problems in the long run. This may be an easy time to get some sand in there.

[Alaska_Phil]

How many hermits do you have? The 3 in my 20 gal seem to think my Zoa colony is a highway. But it opens up again within a minute of their passing. My star Polyp on the other hand will stay closed for nearly an hour after being crawled across.

Phil

[bottlecapp09]

I have about 10 hermits in my tank. The refugium is doing very well, I am getting great growth in there and as far as crushed coral goes I havent really heard of anyone having problem with it. If I do decide to change it out how should I go about doing that?

[bottlecapp09]

The lights are from about 7.30am- 10oclock at night

[gumby007]

Hey, been following your thread for a while. I like your new aquascaping, kind of reminds me of the "drop off" like in "Finding Nemo", almost like a natural setting. Once all of the coraline and other algaes get growing they will make those rocks blend very nicely.

I had a cleaner shrimp that would irritate my big toadstool. At first he would close for about a day everytime, but now he just accepts the shrimps peskiness.

I may have missed this in the thread, as I skimmed it a bit, but did you add most of the corals at one time? I am not sure if that can have an effect on your bioload as far as your filtration goes. I only add about 1 at a time for 3 reasons: 1. filtration acclimation, 2. thats all I can afford, 3. thats all my girl will let me afford :)

I would agree with everyone else, get your parameters right, do the water change making sure that your temp and salinity are right and just be patient. When you do water changes, do you let it sit for 24 hours with a powerhead? I don't always remember to, but I hear it can help water. Keep up the good work, will be tagging along

[bottlecapp09]

Here are some updated pictures:
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Green Fungia
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Red/Green Brain Coral
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What is that little creature I have a bounch of them.

[gumby007]

You may appreciate this. Worm Hitch Hikers (http://home2.pacific.net.ph/~sweetyummy42/hitchworms.html)

I reference it from time to time from all the worms I find in my tank. What I think you have there is the common "bristle worm". There are many types, but few are actually harmful, as far as I know. They are actually good for keeping your substrate mixed up and scavenging the "poo"
:strooper:

[bottlecapp09]

Yeh I think you are right, I was told that if you come in contact with that "bristle worm" it is a very painful expierience. They are very neat creatures, actually having that built in refugium I have tons of different bugs in there :) My favorite coral is my fungia, that thing has grew so quickly and eats like a champ.

[reefman13]

Is that a Anemone at the top of the tank?!?!?!? ;)

IMHO, there are a lot of people that would consider what you have done against their religion. ANY kind of anemone needs a tank that has been running at least 6 months and everything very stable. Plus another inconvenience with that anemone, is that it is bleached badly. It needs a lot of TLC to TRY and get it back to where it should be...

[gumby007]

I think that is the hammer coral... not quite sure though.

[bottlecapp09]

yeh that was an anemone and I got rid of it and the hammer. My tank is going to be accouple zoas and mainly fungias and brains. My personal favorites.

[bottlecapp09]

These are some updated picturs of my tank since I havent posted anything in awhile.
Clean up crew:
4 red scarlet hermitts
5 blue legged hermitts
1 mexican turbo snail
4 nassarius snails
tons of little baby nassarius snails
Fish:
2 ocellaris
1 six line wrasse
1 engineer goby
Corals:
2 green fungias
1 long tenticle fungia

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[racksteris]

cool setup.

[cherubfish pair]

Tagging along.

[scottydo]

Is that an empty clam shell in there or did it die?

[bottlecapp09]

well it did die, hahaha, but yeh I got it from the store like that out of the live rock bin. Just alittle place that my goby liked to fill with cushed coral.

[cherubfish pair]

Off topic: Could you imagine buying a big maxima or squamosa and once in your tank it opens up to reveal a diver's foot? lol

[bottlecapp09]

hahahaha that would be pretty interesting to see, alittle creepy I must also add. I added more LR so pictures will be up tomorrow or saturday :)

[bottlecapp09]

Sorry about the delay, heres some updated pictures :)

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[cherubfish pair]

bottlecap09, are you seeing any coralline algae growth or do you not want it?

[bottlecapp09]

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What kind of fish is this with the blue head?

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