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Ronny#66
10/19/2007, 04:28 PM
Last friday purchased three small bluegree schromis . Came home off road on wednesday and two of the three not to be found. Had just id water change in this 25 gal tank and tested water all ok. Been keeping salt 1.025 - 1.026 . went to local store and told them of the fish dying and they asked if amonia and nitrates were in check I said yes. They have a no quarentee on any salt fish. Well they gave me two new chromis and i baught a percula clown this was yesterday . Well just after puting fish in tank after aclimateing them the clown started finning hard and breathing hard at surface of tank . the other clown kinda was chaseing him a little so I shut lights off. well today the clown died and scromis are ok. i called store and said that he had died and i had just retested my water and it was ok. but they told me there tanks are at 1.025. Would this of did him in ? I changed some of the water just now and it's at 1.025 . Will drop it down to 1.024 tomorrow or should I leave it 1.025? What killed the clown ? Puzzled !
chatyak
10/19/2007, 04:33 PM
You said your 2 fish died and you have no amnonia... then you added a clown and it died too? Sounds a little odd... the salinity would not have killed the clown if you acclimated it.
demonsp
10/19/2007, 04:35 PM
This is common with chromis. Some have kept more then one but in most cases only the strongest will survive. IMO this is a fish that likes to be alone. But i think tank size has alot to do with this .
This not true with the clown. When you add your new water are you letting the new batch ciculate overnight?
coast2coast7390
10/19/2007, 07:25 PM
whats your filtration like...do you have a surface skimmer or something else to break the surface of the water...i ask this because it sounds like there isnt enough air inside your tank
reefergeorge
10/19/2007, 07:58 PM
How did you acclimate them?
I've never had any problem with my chromis. Make sure to keep them in odd numbers though. And please don't buy anymore fish till you know what is going on. Good luck
Ronny#66
10/19/2007, 08:07 PM
I have spray bar pointed at surface water is ripling real well at surface . I have two power heads going too . Also the skunk clown and the 5 small schromis and small six striped wrasse and the other percula clown doing real well . I had two perculas but one died a while back. It just seems that LFS will blame losing what they sell you on something that has to do with your setup not there problem! I expect them to replace this fish if they won't I will tell them it's the last purchase from me. Like I said my water has 0 everything. just the salinity didn't match theres . I thought that most here kept it 1.025- 1.026 . Funny i mix it 1.025 and 7 days later with very little evaporation it reads 1.025- 1.027.
Ronny#66
10/19/2007, 08:09 PM
yes on the water over nite.
coast2coast7390
10/19/2007, 09:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11010607#post11010607 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ronny#66
yes on the water over nite.
like floating...so you were really just acclimating them to the temp of the water...this really takes only 15 to 20 min
you should really mix some of the tank water into the bag with the fish...this way it actually acclimates them to the water params and temp
chatyak
10/19/2007, 10:19 PM
You floated the bag overnight on the water? Could someone chime in on this one? Seems to me there could be an oxygen issue if the bag was closed... but then again, fish are shipped all over in closed bags.
onthecourt4life
10/19/2007, 10:27 PM
plus is this in your 25 gallon? because this is way to many fish in that tank period and it says it has only been set up 1 month.
saltymight
10/19/2007, 10:35 PM
over night is way to much 15-30 minutes then drip acc for 1-2 hours
coast2coast7390
10/19/2007, 10:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11011454#post11011454 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chatyak
You floated the bag overnight on the water? Could someone chime in on this one? Seems to me there could be an oxygen issue if the bag was closed... but then again, fish are shipped all over in closed bags.
if it was packed with oxygen it should have been alright...if not then thats a problem
plus is this in your 25 gallon? because this is way to many fish in that tank period and it says it has only been set up 1 month.
this all depends on how the tank was set up...if it was set up like the way i set up my 12 gal...which it doesnt sound like...the fish should be fine
for anyone is wondering how i set up my 12gal
i used water, 4 lbs of rock, and bio material from my SW pond and ran it for a week before i put 5 fish 3 anenomes and a bunch of frags in after about a week i took out one fish from my pond and put it in there as well...been about a month and nothing has died except a nasarrius snail but that was because a hermit attacked it
Floating the bag overnight will sufficate the fish unless packed with oxygen,not cimmon practice at an lfs since they don't expect you to do that. It certainly sounds like you have too manyfish in a 25 gallon . One month is a really short cycle. Additionaly, the fish in the bag could have suffered from an amonia build up in the bag. How many clowns do you have? You noted the other clowns chased the new one. Clowns for the most part will not tolerate others of differnent clown species in a small tank. They are highly territorial. You'll have better luck if you choose two or at most three of the same type.
And perhaps the most important advice I can give you is to read about quarantine and do it for all new fish. I don't think your lfs is killing your fish.
demonsp
10/19/2007, 11:17 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11011531#post11011531 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by coast2coast7390
if it was packed with oxygen it should have been alright...if not then thats a problem
this all depends on how the tank was set up...if it was set up like the way i set up my 12 gal...which it doesnt sound like...the fish should be fine
for anyone is wondering how i set up my 12gal
i used water, 4 lbs of rock, and bio material from my SW pond and ran it for a week before i put 5 fish 3 anenomes and a bunch of frags in after about a week i took out one fish from my pond and put it in there as well...been about a month and nothing has died except a nasarrius snail but that was because a hermit attacked it
There it is , poor fish .
Ronny#66
10/20/2007, 11:44 AM
Where the hell did I say I floated the fish all night. Ask a simple ? and it seems to go off like the person asking is some damed moron. I'm sorry I even asked the ?? 's Where the heck does this one month set up come from ? Well the heck with it I'll figure out my own problems.
saltysteven
10/20/2007, 12:46 PM
lol hey ronny#66 i was confused about that too. well the only thing i can tell you is that
1 conducting the acclimation process correctly is very important
2 your LFS probably has bad water or gets fish that arent good.
i just had a fish die on me and i took it back with a water sample and they gave me my money back. while i was there i saw the other fish in the tank not swimming normal with lack of balance. i blame the LFS. I try to only buy at a few really good stores. and you can tell a good LFS from a bad one. Pretty much any place hopefully privately owned the keeps a few large reef tanks and has some frag tanks set up along with all of the other fish tanks should be the kind of place to buy from. good luck on your next purchase and hopefully its not your set up.
zotzer
10/20/2007, 12:58 PM
Someone asked if you circulate water overnight. You answered "yes" several posts later, and people misinterpreted.
People should read the thread thoroughly.
It's either bad fish from the LFS, or something wrong in your tank. If you've ruled out the latter, try a different source for fish and see what happens.
tracy
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11013916#post11013916 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ronny#66
Where the hell did I say I floated the fish all night. Ask a simple ? and it seems to go off like the person asking is some damed moron. I'm sorry I even asked the ?? 's Where the heck does this one month set up come from ? Well the heck with it I'll figure out my own problems. Nice language and attitude. When you learn a bit more you may be able benefit from folks who are trying to help.In the meantime try not to kill too many fish.
auntynatal
10/20/2007, 03:05 PM
I'm a newbie too and the month thing comes in from letting your tank properly cycle. Adding too many fish too fast will end up with deaths, especially in such a small space. Try to go slower, MUCH slower!
Oh, and rudeness is uneccessary, the people here are fantastic with their help and advice!
auntynatal
10/20/2007, 03:05 PM
sorry double post
Tahlequah
10/20/2007, 03:32 PM
I believe the one month thing came from his signature:
Hobby Experience: 32 years fresh water 1 month 5 gal reef 75 gal reef near future
Current Tanks: 25 gal reef 1 month 55 gal cichlid tank 75 gal reef near future
Interests: fish, ocean
Ronny#66
10/20/2007, 06:00 PM
Sorry for the language but after keeping fresh for over 30 years it just rubbed me a little. But anyway all other fish in tank doing real well . I have glass top on tank doesn't fit real tight but would it help in oxygenating tank to put little rubber bumpers to hold hood lid open a 1/8 inch like i said all other stock ok.
Yes,open water will promote gas exchage and help keep temperature down a little, It will increase evaporation,so you will have to watch your top off.
DgenR8
10/21/2007, 06:31 PM
:wavehand:
demonsp
10/21/2007, 06:37 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11013916#post11013916 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ronny#66
Where the hell did I say I floated the fish all night. Ask a simple ? and it seems to go off like the person asking is some damed moron. I'm sorry I even asked the ?? 's Where the heck does this one month set up come from ? Well the heck with it I'll figure out my own problems.
LOL, i think this would be from frustration. Just one more reefer emotion. Sorry if i was confused , but you see we want to help just helps whene we have as much info possible and some info is seen in your profile. Just up date this and it will help with the confusion.
By the way ,did you solve this problem ?
marxxx
10/21/2007, 09:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11010592#post11010592 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ronny#66
I have spray bar pointed at surface water is ripling real well at surface . I have two power heads going too . Also the skunk clown and the 5 small schromis and small six striped wrasse and the other percula clown doing real well . I had two perculas but one died a while back. It just seems that LFS will blame losing what they sell you on something that has to do with your setup not there problem! I expect them to replace this fish if they won't I will tell them it's the last purchase from me. Like I said my water has 0 everything. just the salinity didn't match theres . I thought that most here kept it 1.025- 1.026 . Funny i mix it 1.025 and 7 days later with very little evaporation it reads 1.025- 1.027.
Does anyone think the skunk clown could have harassed the percula?
Yes I raised that point earlier.
marxxx
10/21/2007, 09:49 PM
Sorry I must have missed it...
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11023432#post11023432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marxxx
Sorry I must have missed it... Not at all. Glad we see it the same way.:)
burdenpi
10/21/2007, 10:36 PM
in my mind it would seem hard to keep everything at 0 with one dead fish in there and adding 4 others to a 25gal. I think it may be a test kit issue, how could all the param's be at 0 with all this activity going on. What test kit are you using, how old is it? Please dont yell at me, I am sensitive.
Tahlequah
10/22/2007, 09:36 AM
what is your pH at? that can stress your fish out also, if it is not closse to the same as your lfs.
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