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five.five-six
11/16/2007, 09:10 PM
I am in the middle of a mysterious acute tank crash details here (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1251721&perpage=25&pagenumber=1) my redox has stabilized at 150 but is slowly climbing about 1 pint an hour hopefully I have turned the corner. I am considering dosing 10-20ml of vinegar to give a temporary boost to my oxidation. tank size is 100 gal

bertoni
11/16/2007, 11:48 PM
The problem with dosing vinegar is that it can cause bacterial blooms and thus oxygen crashes. I wouldn't dose it to raise ORP.

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 12:47 AM
thanks but it is too late, it is all dead, all the acros, 10" cali tort gone 4 suprmans gone... lps and zoas are hanging on but there is nothing I can do

Billybeau1
11/17/2007, 12:53 AM
Oh Man, sorry for ya dude. :(

You should try and document everything thats happened in the last week (no matter how trivial it may seem) and try and come up with a cause so you learn from the experience.

Good luck with the rest of the tank.

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 01:20 AM
the only thing I can think of is that a moonlight led fell in the tank for a few hours, it was anaquamedic led. perhaps there was some sort of toxin in the glue. other than that I did nothing. if you click on the link at the top, you can see from the orp graph, the whole thing happened in less than 15 minutes

Billybeau1
11/17/2007, 11:27 AM
Something definitely happened at about 6:30. Wow, what a drop. Is that when the moonlight fell in the tank ?

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 01:57 PM
I do not know when the moonlight fell, i was at work

Billybeau1
11/17/2007, 10:43 PM
Were you home at 6:30 that night ?

Boomer
11/17/2007, 10:57 PM
Me think you are confused :D

Vinegar is NOT and oxidizing agent. The Vinegar will raise the ORP but only because the pH has gone down so slow. Lower pH higher ORP. Higher pH lower ORP. It will not boost your oxidation is will lower it. Vinegar is actually a antioxidant at our pH's. It only becomes a oxidant at pH's less than 6

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 11:10 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11205726#post11205726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
Were you home at 6:30 that night ?

well 665wife called me at about 8:00 at work to tell me that a powerhead was floating around in the tank, turns out it was the light. there is some brown liquid residue on it near the assembly cracks, it has not dried in 2 days and stinks like exploded capacitor


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11205797#post11205797 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Boomer
Me think you are confused :D

Vinegar is NOT and oxidizing agent. The Vinegar will raise the ORP but only because the pH has gone down so slow. Lower pH higher ORP. Higher pH lower ORP. It will not boost your oxidation is will lower it. Vinegar is actually a antioxidant at our pH's. It only becomes a oxidant at pH's less than 6

thanks boomer, that is why I asked. no matter, most all the acros were dead by the time I got home from work, a LFS loaned me a ozonizer at 11:00pm on my way home, that did the trick, stuff stopped dying

Boomer
11/17/2007, 11:12 PM
OK six and sorry to hear the news . I know how you feel :sad1:

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 11:34 PM
yea it hurts a lot... 556wife (http://reefcentral.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=165577), just does not get it... "just go buy new ones"

Billybeau1
11/17/2007, 11:36 PM
I actually know what that smells like.

Sounds like you may have met an accident which unfortunately happens from time to time. :(

Oh and don't mention the word "explode" around Boomer. :D

If you aren't already, I would run a good quality carbon to try and get rid of the rest of that junk. And change it often for the first couple of weeks.

Good luck moving forward. :)

five.five-six
11/17/2007, 11:43 PM
thanks, I have 3# of 2partsolution lignite carbon in there right now I only have about 1# left, time to order more I have gone through a lot of that in the last few days


a far as explode, not to fond of it myself, I have a collection of WWII surplus rifles I like to shoot and that is always a small concern

Boomer
11/18/2007, 10:57 AM
Someone say "explode" where , when ?????????? :D

five.five-six
11/18/2007, 11:08 AM
the only explosion I like is tannerite..which I understand is a high explosive because of it's high volocity

Boomer
11/18/2007, 12:00 PM
Yes, it is, if it receives a high enough impulse energy. A properly made grade and high enough impulse energy can drive to 7,000 m /s or 23,000 ft/s, about that of TNT. If this does not take place you will get a (LOD) Low Order Detonation, which will be much lower but still high enough usually to be a high explosive. With all that said, its vel is not that high when looking at other HE's, where some are in the 9,000 m /s or 30,000 ft/s VOD. Tannerit is basically a ANFO binary-explosive like those used in mining, only with much higher VOD, do to its make-up. Most ANFO"S are less than 20,000 VOD. High VOD is not good for mining. Tannerite is not illegal and should be ......sorry :D

Billybeau1
11/18/2007, 12:33 PM
There you go 556, you got him started..........:lol:

I'm notifying the staff. :D

Boomer
11/18/2007, 12:39 PM
SSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssss dont'tell them and they will never know :D

Billybeau1
11/18/2007, 01:01 PM
Thats true........ When is the last time you saw a staff member in our forum. :lol:

five.five-six
11/18/2007, 09:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11208015#post11208015 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Boomer
Tannerite is not illegal and should be ......sorry :D

it is legal right up until you combine it :p atl east in california, we have no constructive posession laws

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