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Rysam
11/17/2007, 12:24 PM
has anyone done this yet? i read for 3 hours+ lastnight about this instead of watching my forestry dvd's( its like watching paint dry with a grade at the end) but anyways, what did you use. i know the enkamat is the preferred medium but i dont have the slightest clue where to get it. im probably going to use the synthetic steel wool or gutterguard if i can get a small enough piece. im only mildly happy with my skimmer right now(ASM G2) so im trying to increase its performance. this is the first step to total skimmer modification. a direct feed from the drain and recirc is next, as soon as i figure out the amount of gpm i need from the overflow. any hints of tricks would be appreciated.

Tylt33
11/17/2007, 12:41 PM
You can cut gutterguard, and its way cheap... i have no idea what this mod is though.

Rysam
11/17/2007, 12:49 PM
basically it entails totally ruining a 35$ needle wheel impeller and ziptieing some mesh onto it in place of the needles. it produces much finer bubbles and better air intake. more air+smaller bubbles= better foam= more crap removed from water.

Underwaterparadise
11/17/2007, 06:41 PM
Did you do the Gate valve Mod to the ASM?? If not it increases the production of the skimmer by 10 fold IMO and allows finer tuning to get max. amount of skim. IMO the only draw back with the ASM is the same with most in sump skimmers, if the water level fluctuates then so does the level of water in the skimmer.

Rysam
11/17/2007, 07:53 PM
yep the gate valve was the first thing i did to it. almost right out of the box. the way i have it baffled my sump doesnt fluctuate at all. only the return chamber which is a couple of gallons with an ato to keep it full

Underwaterparadise
11/17/2007, 08:16 PM
Why are you not happy with it? IMO for the money they can't be beat. Recurculating skimmers are OK but just another pump to have sucking up power and something else to replace when it goes out

Rysam
11/17/2007, 09:30 PM
i just dont seem to get alot of skimmate out of it. i never have. its been running for a couple of years so it is broken in. and i really cant afford to replace it. so if i can mod it for a few bucks and get more goods then i might as well try. i was going to use the same pump to recirc it and feed it from the drain. is is still a recirc skimmer if i only use 1 pump?

boviac
11/17/2007, 09:41 PM
Josh,

I don't think you've got a huge fish load so I can't imagine you'd pull out a lot of skimmate to begin with. Good luck with the mod however.

Rysam
11/17/2007, 10:55 PM
1x yellow tang 4"
1x hippo tang 4"
2x occ. clowns 2"
1x yellow watchman 3"
3x green chromis 1-2"
1x 6 line wrasse 2"
1x firefish 2"

thats 9 fish in a 135. 2 of which are/will be fairly good size. i should be getting much more skimmate than what i am. i didnt get around to the mod today maybe in the next few days.

Tylt33
11/18/2007, 03:14 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11205482#post11205482 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kinghokus420
1x yellow tang 4"
1x hippo tang 4"
2x occ. clowns 2"
1x yellow watchman 3"
3x green chromis 1-2"
1x 6 line wrasse 2"
1x firefish 2"

thats 9 fish in a 135. 2 of which are/will be fairly good size. i should be getting much more skimmate than what i am. i didnt get around to the mod today maybe in the next few days.

I count 10. No wonder you thought that skimmer looked like a bong!! :rollface:

Rysam
11/18/2007, 11:06 AM
oh ya 10. uh im a product of the us education system.

Underwaterparadise
11/18/2007, 02:18 PM
Half your fish load are small fish. I'm with Chris on this one, unless you are doing very little water changes you are not going to be getting a ton of skimmate.

After I do large water changes on my systems my skimmers barely produce any skimmate until the nitrates start rising, then it kicks in a little more

shelbiesdaddy
11/18/2007, 02:38 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11208442#post11208442 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Underwaterparadise
Half your fish load are small fish. I'm with Chris on this one, unless you are doing very little water changes you are not going to be getting a ton of skimmate.

After I do large water changes on my systems my skimmers barely produce any skimmate until the nitrates start rising, then it kicks in a little more

I always think of it as good thing when my skimmer is working but not producing much skimmate.

boviac
11/18/2007, 04:22 PM
Lets see on my 50 gal I have:

(1) 6"+ long pink spotted shrimp goby
(1) Decent sized Scopas Tang
(3) blu- green chromis
(1) med-large gold banded maroon clown
So by my addition that's six fish, plus some hermits and snails.

And other than the sludge that accumulates on the neck etc, I rarely get any skimmate liquid unless it smells like the phytoplankton that I dose with.

Then again I only have prizm skimmers but like I said at the meeting when I ran my larger recirc skimmer it didn't produce any more skimmate than my prizm. HTH and YMMV. :D

I would try the mesh mod just for fun if nothing else. I think I've seen some people use something like those greene scrubbing pads- just ensure it doesn't come pre soaped. I've heard of people buying sponges to clean tanks only to find their preloaded with bleach or some other cleaner. OUCH!

I love hearing about DIY mods so keep us posted. :D

-ChrisB

Rysam
11/18/2007, 05:01 PM
i guess i just expect more than what i get. it usually takes a week or more before i even feel the cup is worth emptying. im still going to do the mod just to see if i get a difference. after all the hype ive read, i'll bite.

Rysam
11/27/2007, 07:12 PM
i just did the deed and all i can say is wow! the pump is a bit noisy yet so i'll have to work on that a bit. but overall there is a hugely noticeable difference. i've only had it going for about 15 minutes and its putting out way more foam than before. i used a 1.97$ scratch pad from the paint dept at wally world. and 2 4" zipties. took about 15 minutes to mod and 45 to clean my pump and skimmer body. sorry the dog ate my sd card so no pics.

micynyorkies
11/27/2007, 08:14 PM
I love my ASM G2 with no mods. I have a heavy fish load for a 90 gallon, and it pulls out a ton of junk. But, now that I know it can be better, maybe I'd better chop it.

Underwaterparadise
11/27/2007, 08:26 PM
Josh, did you attach the zip ties to the front or back of the housing? I heard if they are in the back it makes a lot of noise but if you attach them in the front it quiets them up.

BTW, know where there are any pics to the Recurculating mod???

Rysam
11/27/2007, 08:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11268222#post11268222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Underwaterparadise
Josh, did you attach the zip ties to the front or back of the housing?


i attached them in the front and then wiggled the connector down into the mesh. its not too noisy with the doors closed just more of a loud hum.

Rysam
11/28/2007, 01:50 AM
i forgot to mention that while i was in there. i put a 45* in the skimmer pointing slightly upward, but not very much at all. to give it more of a swirly action. its been going about 6 hours now, its getting quieter but still louder than before. i have about an inch of some pretty nasty water. a bit funkier than tea but not the funky green im after. it is just a matter of tuneage i believe.

rob- i dont have any pics of a recirc mod. the last ones i payed attention to were at asmskimmer.com(no longer site) but im sure theres something in the rc gallery. i dont see it being difficult to do. just have the pump feed from and return to the skimmer. i plan on doing this eventually and letting the drain feed the skimmer instead if the pump.

>>fast forward an hour>>


i just looked at octopus skimmersand they had a few decent pics of a recirc
http://www.octopusskimmer.com/

this is exactly what i plan on doing
http://www.marinesolutionsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_35&products_id=72

boviac
11/28/2007, 10:05 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11267608#post11267608 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kinghokus420
sorry the dog ate my sd card so no pics.

Ouch! I hope it wasn't too big a card (MB size wise). Josh you have PM.

Rysam
11/28/2007, 12:15 PM
nah it was only a 1 gig. it was my fault i didnt put it away after uploading some pics. no biggie i just need to go down the hill and get one.

boviac
11/28/2007, 01:57 PM
Would you be interested in seeing the DIY recirc skimmer I have Rob? LMK.

Rysam
11/29/2007, 07:22 PM
i had to take it apart this afternoon to do something about the noise. i tightened up the zip ties and trimmed the mesh a little closer. and that made all of the difference. just as quiet as before. i definitely notice that the size of the bubbles are much smaller and appears to be working much better. so far im impressed.

Underwaterparadise
11/29/2007, 08:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11272745#post11272745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boviac
Would you be interested in seeing the DIY recirc skimmer I have Rob? LMK.

Thanks.

I know what the recurculating skimmers look like but was curious as to how they were modding the ASM'S and what pumps were being used. I like the Mesh mod and may do it on all 3 sedra's that run my skimmer on my fish system. That's the only system that could used beefed up!

Underwaterparadise
11/29/2007, 08:53 PM
EDIT- Double post

Rysam
11/29/2007, 09:40 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11282526#post11282526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Underwaterparadise
Thanks.

I know what the recurculating skimmers look like but was curious as to how they were modding the ASM'S and what pumps were being used.

im not sure how "they" are doing it but im probably going to copy the octopus design. i plan on using the sedra 3500 thats there now for the recirc pump.
thats a project down the line though, im already onto making a kalk reactor out of a beer cooler gizmo i found at ross. but nothing until after finals.

boviac
11/30/2007, 03:33 PM
Josh,

Good luck with the End of Semester and Finals... We'll see ya around Christmas time :D

Rysam
12/01/2007, 08:58 PM
thanks. im watching forestry videos as i type.

boviac
12/03/2007, 07:53 PM
I seem to try that and then I try to recall what was going on in the other window open only to say... hmmm. guess I wasn't paying attention. I'm a much better student in person. I need to learn more discipline when participating on on-line classes. Good Luck!

Rysam
12/03/2007, 08:47 PM
well after a week of running flawlessly, all i can say is this skimmer mod rocks! i had no idea it would work like this. i've emptied my cup twice in a week and its some funky stuff. in my opinion this mod is well worth the 4.00$ it cost to do. i just bought a sd card so i'll get some pics in a few days. i also found a small amount of "mental rest" time to build a kalkwasser reactor. its not pretty but seems to be working well. i'll post some pics of it too.

boviac
12/04/2007, 11:52 AM
Congrats on the skimmer Mod! Love the internet and it's ability to share and promote innovative advancements like this.

Now you just have to ensure your skimmer doesn't go nuts and wet skim too much of your water out when you are away (unless you don't have an overflow into your sump). :D

Rysam
12/04/2007, 12:05 PM
it was overflowing the first day or two before i trimmed the mesh to fit better. now its quieter and no overflows. i left it totally alone for 2 whole days :) while i was in sacto and it worked perfectly.

Rysam
12/04/2007, 12:22 PM
picture time. i dont have any of the impeller but there's 1001 threads with impeller pics and they all look the same
2 days skimming. i like it wet .
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/norcalreefer/DSCN2170.jpg

the stuff i used
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/norcalreefer/DSCN2179.jpg

and a teaser to the kalkreactor. i'll get better pics when i take it out to re-seal the pump.
it does look worse than it really is. i bumped my hand when filling it with mrs. wages and hadn't wiped it off yet.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/norcalreefer/DSCN2171.jpg

boviac
12/04/2007, 04:28 PM
Very cool! Thanks for the pics and Interested in your Kalkmixer DIY project. Looks cool! Also, did you get the Mrs. Wages locally?

Mel-E-Mel
12/04/2007, 04:36 PM
Just a suggestion if you havent done it already......Instead of using zipties, you should try using fish line. Might cut down on drag and lower the wattage used. Looks like its producing alot of skimmate anyway.

iairj84
12/04/2007, 05:12 PM
Nice! All these skimmer pics are making me want one even more!

Rysam
12/04/2007, 05:41 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11314082#post11314082 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rommelgin
Just a suggestion if you havent done it already......Instead of using zipties, you should try using fish line. Might cut down on drag and lower the wattage used. Looks like its producing alot of skimmate anyway.


i thought about that too. after i already put it back together the 2nd time. i may pull the impeller out and bring it to the next "real" meeting so all can see how its done. then i will re tie it.

Rysam
12/04/2007, 05:42 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11314030#post11314030 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by boviac
[B Also, did you get the Mrs. Wages locally? [/B]

walmart, less than 2$ alb

iairj84
12/13/2007, 09:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11314585#post11314585 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kinghokus420
i thought about that too. after i already put it back together the 2nd time. i may pull the impeller out and bring it to the next "real" meeting so all can see how its done. then i will re tie it.

If you can bring in that impellor to the meeting that would be great. I'm planning on getting a skimmer sometime within the next couple weeks and it will be of course be modded.... If you can't then it's not a huge deal.

Rysam
12/13/2007, 10:20 PM
it shouldnt be a big deal. i just have to remember to pull it out.
i sent off for some enkamat samples too so i can give that a shot . i wish i had an airflow meter to know if im doing any good. but i can tell you for sure, this thing has never worked better. i like my skimmer now.

iairj84
12/14/2007, 12:58 AM
I've read the enkamat reduces a little bit of the drag it puts on the pump and allows it to spin faster, but that's just hearsay.

iairj84
12/19/2007, 12:15 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11314593#post11314593 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kinghokus420
walmart, less than 2$ alb

Where at walmart? I was looking all over for it and lord knows those people don't know anything when it comes to finding things.

Rysam
12/19/2007, 01:33 AM
i just looked for it tonight and couldnd find it. it must be seasonal and now that the season is done maybe they packed it up until next year.
it looks like its about 4.00 a jar off of the internet. the cheapest i found it for was 42.99$ a case which comes to 3.58 a jar=4.00 with shipping. i would be into splitting a case if someone wanted to go in on it with me. i could use 3 or 4 jars

boviac
12/19/2007, 08:04 PM
I'm good for now... thanks.

iairj84
12/20/2007, 02:41 AM
I asked the lady at a mexican market I go to here in chico if she could get me Lime powder (Kalk) and she said she definately could. I'm going to be in contact with her about it but she said she would sell it to me pretty inexpensively. I don't want to disclose where I'll be getting it at yet as I don't want people bugging her about it until I know she can do it... I also go in there all the time and she knows me well.

I'll let you guys know, but I think it's going to be roughly $1-1.50 a lb... If not even cheaper. IIRC she said they come in 50lb bags. I certainly don't need 50lbs but I know king you said you wanted some... at this price I don't think too many people would mind spending $5 or so to last them a substantial amount of time. 1lb would probably last me a year.

Rysam
12/20/2007, 09:34 AM
just make sure its food grade calcium hydroxide. you can get 50 lb bags of landscape grade for super cheap it just has alot of impurities in it from what i understand. food grade is the key.

iairj84
12/20/2007, 12:32 PM
Yeah it's definately food grade, it's what they use to make tortillas. I think it's a given it's the good stuff but I'll make sure :)

I won't be buying a 50lb bag unless it's ridiculously cheap and then I'll let you guys get however much you want. I might get her to sell me just a few pounds.

Underwaterparadise
02/06/2008, 05:24 PM
Josh, did you have any issues with the exaust tube spuing micro bubbles into the sump? This thing is producing so many bubbles it's filling up the sump. With the tank this skimmer is on I can't fit the gate valve mod on.

boviac
02/06/2008, 05:46 PM
Wow it sounds like you've got too many bubbles now with this mod. You could try some pipe diameter reductions to simulate a basic step jump with the gate valve. Could always get some flex tubing and crimp it down throttle flow too. This might work where the physical boundaries of a gate valve may not be allowed. YMMV. :D

PS like your signature today "Actions speak louder than words" Are you suggesting pictures are worth more than a bunch of words here? ;)

Rysam
02/06/2008, 06:59 PM
i dont know about adjustment without the gate valve. i put a gate valve on before i even used it. the way i have my out plumbed is with a 90 to the inlet area(as far away from the return pump as possible) and another 90 pointing it back straight down. i drilled a hole in the top of one of the 90's to let it vent. the bubbles then have to go the length of the sump again. after the baffles the return is bubble free. the first baffle takes the water from the bottom of the sump too, im not sure how much it helps but it seems to. i used a filter sock for a loong time and it reduced the bubbles to near zero but im lazy and
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/norcalreefer/DSCN2733.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/norcalreefer/DSCN2732.jpg

im going to bring my impeller to the meeting and i may do a quick how to on the mod.

Rysam
02/06/2008, 07:01 PM
i also switched from the scrubby pad to enkamat p4 with fishing line instead of zipties.
way mucho better.

boviac
02/07/2008, 01:46 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11782105#post11782105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kinghokus420
im going to bring my impeller to the meeting and i may do a quick how to on the mod.

I don't think that was requested to be added to the meeting agenda there Mr. VP. ;) :lol2: