ATB hang on?? SWEET!!

[skimmy]

wow, is all i can say...
any info anyone can share would be super :)

[GSMguy]

YES SWEEEEEET, I want mine bad.

[victor90]

Guys give it about three weeks and we should have working test units

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11389745#post11389745 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
Guys give it about three weeks and we should have working test units

sound great victor thank you.

[skimmy]

man, im exited!!
please tell me the pump is in the skimmer body and not in the tank, and that it's a mesh wheel skimmer...:smokin:

[victor90]

Yes the pump is in the body and its a mesh wheel pump that draws about 10 watts

[KafudaFish]

So if we want to be one of the testers do we just check your site and order or do we "sign up" etc? Thanks.

[luke33]

So there 10w at 300-400lph air?

[victor90]

Kafudafish
I'm sorry but six people have already asked to be testers if I need another one I will keep you in mind
Thanks
Luke33
From my understanding the pump will draw around 10 watts and put out around 400L/hr of air

[glassbox-design]

anton if you need a tester LMK, i plan on using the nano...but would love to see a mce600 vs ATB faceoff on our new 90g.

eric

[victor90]

Hi Eric
Koraltek is one of the Beta testers and is going to put the ATB up against a few other hang ons
Thanks Victor

[glassbox-design]

sorry about that. we were posting at the same time...sounds good.

[luke33]

Well the best hot skimmers out there to test this against would be the mce600 at 500lph, the bermuda rogue which is pulling over 900lph for me, the new octo recirc 300 hot, which i should have next week to test, the turbofloater 3000 at over 900lph and this skimmer. FWIW, my skimmer is pulling around 35-40watts.

[victor90]

Hi Luke
Did you do some mods to your Rogue to get that much air output?

[luke33]

I threw a sicce suprema on it which is pushing 10scfh as a nw through it. Then its pulling over 25scfh through the bermuda injector. Its a 990gph pump. The mag 5 will push over 25scfh on it stock. If i take off the nw venturi it'll do around 35ish.

[GSMguy]

I will be able to Test against the Deltec 300 on a 50g high flow sps system. If Koraltek finishes before it is released i could put an honest comparison together. :)

[skimmy]

we have a store use camera at work now, so it should be a little easier for me to post pics of results, and im working 4 days a week now instead of 2, so i'll be around to keep an eye on things.:)

[hahnmeister]

When I first 'penned' the ATB HOB and sent it to Anton, there were some key features I put in. I dont see any reason why they wouldnt make it through to the end, but it comes down to Anton in the end, since he is the one making them! So some things may change.

The key features are:
- 300-400lph of air: the pump (Aquaclear 70/801) can do 400lph but it depends on the back-pressure due to water levels... if the skimmer is set so its water level is 6" taller than in the tank for instance, this can put back-pressure on the pump and lower the air intake... in the end, its up to the user.

-telescoping standpipe outlet. Its external. I dont know about you guys, but I hate gate valves on externals... one scrap clogs an opening and then you end up pumping everything on the floor. The way I designed the standpipe it would be very compact, yet allow for accomidating various tank rims (euro-bracing, acrylic flanges, etc where more reach is needed). The standpipe would also have an overflow backup so if for some reason the skimmers water level did rise, an additional port would allow the water to exit before the body overflows. But with a standpipe, water levels tend to be pretty reliable anyways.

-Easy breakdown for cleaning. Unlike most HOBs that require removing the entire unit and draining/dumping the contents, the pump, cone, the bubble plate, and pump can be lifted out while leaving the outer body shell and its water contents in place.

- Bubble Plate & cone as per ATB's Cone-pan skimmer line.

-The air 'muffler' is incorporated into the air gap in the skimmer between the cone and the collection cup on top, so you dont see an actual 'muffler', but 'its in there'.

-The skimmer intake can also be redone to accomidate thicker rim tanks (like 3" euro-bracing).

-Pump in the skimmer, not the tank.

-A simple modification could turn the skimmer into a recirc.

I think in the final version, the footprint behind the tank will be about 4.5" thick and 5" wide, and about 18" tall. Because of how low the water levels are kept in these skimmers though, the profile above the tank edge might be more than some other types... like 6-8" sticking up behind the tank. Just something to wait and see though.

This design COULD be directly applied to larger pumps/dimensions for an external cone line. But this COULD may not be the best.

[skimmy]

well, that completely surpasses my expectations for this skimmer already, and i havent even seen it yet.
it sounds like everything you could ever want in a hang on, and then some. (add ball against bat, home run smash hit sound here).

[WaterssretaW]

When is it coming out?!

I am at the edge of my seat here :-)

[Canadian]

When is it coming out?!

I am at the edge of my seat here :-)

Me too!

[victor90]

Please give it some time we still need to test
Thanks

[victor90]

Ok Reef hobbyists
There are some changes to the ATB hang on. The hang on no longer has a box. It is kind of a cone with a bubble plate and a mounting plate to hang it on the tank. The mounting plate is removable and the skimmer can be converted to insump use. I remembered somebody wanting a picco skimmer. My question is how far is most people tank from the wall. Right now it is 5 inches in diameter.
thanks

[victor90]

Measurements are 15Hx5 diameter

[Canadian]

Mine is 6.5" from the wall.

How far above the edge of the tank will the skimmer project?

Any sneak peak/prototype pictures? ;)

[victor90]

I want to make the top of the neck 6 to 8 inches higher than the top edge of the tank. what do you guys think?

[hahnmeister]

uh.... pretty hard to do considering how low the waterline is in the skimmer.

[GSMguy]

5 inches is pretty good for clearance.

[skimmy]

5" should be able to accomodate most people's set ups i would think.

is there a benifit to having the skimmer sit so high from the top of the tank for your projected 6-8"? other than being a little more visible it doesnt seem to be an issue asthetically.
it sounds like the pump might not like that much back pressure though.
and love the idea of making it in sump/hob for both applications.

yes some sneak peek pics would be cool!!!:)

[victor90]

The reason for that is because the water line is so low on these skimmers

[orangekush4]

I can't what to see it.hahnmeister,a good gate valve is the way to go.I have used gate valves for 15 years on all kind of stuff like hydroponic farming and on my RC skimmers and never had one get plugged.You have to have something big to plug a gate valve.

[hahnmeister]

If the gate valve has an overflow backup, then I agree. I have had overflows happen due to their use though.

[karlyhui]

Hi

I'm curious on what the noise level on the skimmer will be? I have tried a few and had to return all of them.

thanks

[hahnmeister]

Well, as of last time I saw pics, Anton might have changed the design around a bit. I dont know if the pump is even going to remain internal, and it looks like the skimmer body might have a flange around the base for opening it up. Ill have to talk with Anton about this, but the design may no longer be in my hands. All I can say is that the AC70 pump is a very well made pump, along the lines of an eheim or the Laguna pumps that Askoll makes. If there is noise from the motor, its from the impeller/bubbles and water being blended in the volute, not the motor itself.

[KafudaFish]

So does this mean there will be delays with the hang on being available? Thanks.

[victor90]

I and a few RC members should be testing them at the end of the month.. The delay was due to Austria customs holding the pumps for ten days but they are out for delivery now.

[spleen93]

Looking forward to the pics!

Spleen

[skimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11605913#post11605913 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
I and a few RC members should be testing them at the end of the month.. The delay was due to Austria customs holding the pumps for ten days but they are out for delivery now.

i must have rabies, my mouth is foaming...

[GSMguy]

how do i get on the tester list i have both Deltec HOBs to test against. :)

[victor90]

Pictures of the hangon pump
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/pump2.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/pump1.jpg

[GSMguy]

Very cool, looks promising.

[skimmy]

cool! they look just like the bigger skim-rite pumps.
looking forward to seeing what that baby can do:)

[GSMguy]

Now this is a company that knows what the consumer wants. :)

pump looks like it will be able to hang in the 300lph-400lph range

[jpluttme]

Just tagging along. Looking for a better replacement for my MCE300.

[victor90]

Pictures of the finished product
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5400.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5395.jpg

[victor90]

hang on inside tank
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5387.jpg

[victor90]

Hang on outside of the tank
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5384.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5381.jpg

[victor90]

Insump Use
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/DSCN5390.jpg

[jpluttme]

Looks pretty sweet. Thanks for the photos!

[GSMguy]

brilliant. :)

[neyugn0w01]

looking good

[skimmy]

holy crap!!!
i definately have rabies, im choking on foam!

looks like you guys out did yourselves.

congratulations ATB, anton, hahnmeister, victor, i can tell it's going to be a k.o.:hammer:

[mr294]

That is pretty slick :cool:

[victor90]

Testing in Austria

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/H034.jpg

[victor90]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/H026.jpg

[GSMguy]

mmmmm Frothy :)

[Lunchbucket]

Cool looking. Can't wait to see specs.

[recife111]

Nice skimmer, Be good to see how sell it skims.

[luke33]

Looks nice, good job fella's

[Rwinfrey]

1.how much is this sweeeeeeeeeeeeet hang going to be.
2.what is the rating.
3.what's the air pull.

[victor90]

The hang on is rated for 100 gallons
The air pull is 400L/hr
The price has yet to be determined we are still in the testing phase.
Thank you

[DeltecRules]

so whats the update for this sweet looking skimmer???:D

[victor90]

DeltecRules,

We still need some more time on the R&D dept before we can release the final US Version
Thank you for your patience

[boris MAC]

Hi,

Ok wile we waiting for final version of hang on here are some previewa on ATB super size external , I hope victor doesnt mind I show it?

http://www.reefzone.net/smfboard/gallery/2_14_03_08_5_00_10.JPG

http://www.reefzone.net/smfboard/gallery/2_14_03_08_5_00_49.JPG

[hahnmeister]

Thats the EU version... slightly smaller neck. Victor shouldnt mind since he's already posted them in the ATB forums himself...

[neyugn0w01]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11758854#post11758854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
Testing in Austria

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/H034.jpg

Why can't I have one testing in San Jose? So what do you think Victor?

[sly fox]

wow looks like a winner!

[Witch-King]

Will this have any type of surface skimmer? I’m liking this design, especially the fact that the pump doesn’t have any walls to vibrate against and its out of the tank. Incredible job ATB can't wait to see the test results.

[GSMguy]

Will the US model have the same size neck?

[victor90]

GSMguy

That is actually the US model testing

[Witch-King]

Well, I have some pictures of a small surface skimmer I adapted to my MCE600 in my gallery. The in tank foot print was incredibly small and the surface skimmer worked great. However, I noticed after days of testing, that whenever you created a situation where the pump was used in a surface skimming application, there was always a draw back to some bubble production in the chamber (no matter how much I tweaked the attachment). There must have been added pressure or resistance on the pump once you create an environment where surface skimming actually takes place. Just thought I would post if you decide to try that route. The images are under the MCE600 section in my gallery. The material used came from a biosystem filter. Just trying to help your R&D, fingers crossed :)

[Crackerballer]

Oh man how long! Also, pricing! I need one of these soooo bad!

[victor90]

Test samples will hit US tanksl by the end of April

[SHOmuchFUN]

Looks like this unit could be prone to overflowing?
I don't see any drain or recirculation of effluent back into the skimmer in the event that it starts overfoaming which is a problem with HOB skimmers. In the event a HOB skimmer goes crazy and starts "spewing", the effluent finds itself on the floor. This isn't an issue with in-sump skimmers as the effluent ends back up in the sump.

And if effluent is overflowing on the floor, your topoff is topping off fresh water into your tank, causing disastrous results.

Edit-
Nevermind, looks like the skimmate would just stay/fall back into the neck of the skimmer. The neck is rather tall though?

[hahnmeister]

Actually, that might be part of the delay. From the point that I sent Anton the original specs/diagrams for the HOB, to the point that the test photos came out, Anton made several changes in construction that varied from what I had sent... not that I can complain, but there were some things that I pointed out to Anton that he might want to change back because there was a reason why I did them in the original specs.

1. The pump may not be good for external use. I have never seen an AC70 mounted external, which doesnt mean it cant be, but it might not cool properly. The original had the pump inside the skimmer base under the bubble plate (the original used a 5"x5" square body that hung on the back of the tank and you inserted the cone down into this body with the collection cup on top).

2. The heigh adjustment was telescoping and the skimmer had a backup overflow. I dont like externals with gate valves, esp not at this small of scale. Its too easy for a chunk of detritus to clog the valve and cause an overflow. Telescoping standpipes dont clog, and they can allow for varying flow rates while keeping the water level the same. In short, they are more reliable and on an external skimmer I would consider them a must over a valve.

3. The 'cone in a box' design I had placed the neck of the skimmer inside the box, since the necks on the ATB's are simple snug connections which might leak from time to time. So the neck is kept inside the box to catch any drips.

After discussing this further, Anton mentioned he was going to try a couple more things, like trying to use the telescoping standpipe and getting the pump internal at least (if nothing else, it eliminates many external o-rings on the intake plumbing). So that might be the reason for the delay.

[GSMguy]

the reason that i was given for the delay was "pump restarting problems when used externally".

[SHOmuchFUN]

Good to know that it's getting some attention. I found the design from some of the more original pictures to be a little unsettling. I think it's a great idea, but think it needs some refinement to calm the nerves of reefing cynics. Keeping everything as contained as possible will yield a more trustworthy product. The deltec MCE series is a testament to this. I'd much rather have to deal with the inconvenience of not having direct access to my pump, than have to deal with the inconvenience of a flooded floor due to an O-ring failure, skimmate overflow, etc.

I'll look forward to seeing future iterations.
:D

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12228059#post12228059 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
Actually, that might be part of the delay. From the point that I sent Anton the original specs/diagrams for the HOB, to the point that the test photos came out, Anton made several changes in construction that varied from what I had sent... not that I can complain, but there were some things that I pointed out to Anton that he might want to change back because there was a reason why I did them in the original specs.

1. The pump may not be good for external use. I have never seen an AC70 mounted external, which doesnt mean it cant be, but it might not cool properly. The original had the pump inside the skimmer base under the bubble plate (the original used a 5"x5" square body that hung on the back of the tank and you inserted the cone down into this body with the collection cup on top).

2. The heigh adjustment was telescoping and the skimmer had a backup overflow. I dont like externals with gate valves, esp not at this small of scale. Its too easy for a chunk of detritus to clog the valve and cause an overflow. Telescoping standpipes dont clog, and they can allow for varying flow rates while keeping the water level the same. In short, they are more reliable and on an external skimmer I would consider them a must over a valve.

3. The 'cone in a box' design I had placed the neck of the skimmer inside the box, since the necks on the ATB's are simple snug connections which might leak from time to time. So the neck is kept inside the box to catch any drips.

After discussing this further, Anton mentioned he was going to try a couple more things, like trying to use the telescoping standpipe and getting the pump internal at least (if nothing else, it eliminates many external o-rings on the intake plumbing). So that might be the reason for the delay. :D

[victor90]

Hang on testing in Austria
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/Burian001.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/Burian004.jpg

[Rwinfrey]

is that a differnt pump I cant tell

[victor90]

Yes It is a different pump from our first design

[recife111]

some more pics of the hangon.

http://www.meerwasserinfo.at/phpBB2/files/dscn5400_684.jpg
http://www.meerwasserinfo.at/phpBB2/files/dscn5381_759.jpg

Any idea on aprx price?

[victor90]

We are aiming for a price of 449 to 550
Thanks
Victor

[hahnmeister]

Ill get the AC70 to work... it does more air than that other pump (Laguna 600 aka Aquaclear Hi-Spec). There has been a startup problem, but Im pretty sure I know why and it can be corrected. There are plenty of people in the 'pimp my pump' thread who have it working fine, so there really is no reason to not go with that pump.

[jpluttme]

We are aiming for a price of 449 to 550

Hmmm...was hoping for a bit less as I'm anxiously awaiting a replacement to the deltect mce 300 I have. I suppose the prices above are more in line with the mce600, which is fitting considering the ATB's specs...

Hoping the price is towards the $449 end.

[victor90]

Me too I can wait until the euro starts dropping

[hahnmeister]

Yeah, considering the Euro is about 0.6 to the US dollar right now, its hard to point the finger at the makers. It just sucks right now, and it doesnt look like its going to change any time soon. If you bought it in the EU on an EU income, it would be about the same as paying $300-330 here.

[victor90]

I'm praying everyday drop drop

[burton14e7]

Me too, I had to cut my euro trip down a few days this year :( The skimmer looks awesome.

[no1fishman]

How's the seal on the collection cup to the skimmer body? I've seen the connection on the ATB Small and it didn't look like a perfect fit. Not a problem internally, but externally it will be. Wish the connection was some sort of flange connection for a no worries connection. Just my observation and suggestion.

[skimmy]

wow, even with the less powerful pump the foam looks awesome!!
cant wait to beta test this bad boy!!!

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12440408#post12440408 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by koraltek
wow, even with the less powerful pump the foam looks awesome!!
cant wait to beta test this bad boy!!!


actually i think that is a bigger pump than the 802 that was tested originally.

[JTREAT911]

Is there a surface skimmer or plans for a surface skimmer?

[hahnmeister]

Bigger pump, but less air.

[Felix1021]

Any updates on this bad boy?
still testing?
pricing?
any news at all?

Thanks

Felix-

[Snarlax]

lol I'm hoping more for an increase in the dollar than a drop in the euro = )

[victor90]

Yes we are still testing the pumps

[hahnmeister]

The $US did bump back up a little recently. Last month it was 1EUR=1.60USD. Start of the year it was 1.47, and now its 1.54...

[JTREAT911]

Hey guys, any new updates on the HOB? I can't wait for this bad boy to come out! Have beta models reached US shores yet? Thanks

[victor90]

I am hoping to get beta models on the june shipment.

[skimmy]

ooooh, the excitement mounts!!!
perfect, it will coincide with me setting up a new nano system:)

[hahnmeister]

http://glassbox-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kz-hang-on-skimmer.jpg

Looks like KZ liked the idea as well. More info here:
http://glassbox-design.com/2008/interzoo-2008-korallen-zucht/

Too bad it just looks so ugly (maybe just to me, I dont know). It seems like alot of piping and a massive pump with just a little bitty body and collection cup in there. Looks like the typical modified beckett design for the input. I hope the collection cup has some sort of overflow protection though. I had suggested to Anton that he tap the collection cup right at the overflow point, and run a barbed connector fromt there so when & if the cup fills up, or the outlet valve clogs (unless he switches to a telescoping standpipe), the skimmer can overflow into the cup, and then the cup can overflow back into the tank, or into a bucket if wanted. I suppose, if you opted for just a tap/barb fitting on bottom of the cup like some of the other skimmers, you would be set then as well, but you would have to use it 24/7 to be safe. The backup fitting at the top would be more for people who dont want the extra line, but want the added safety to prevent an overflow.

[Shawn D]

hahn is that going to be a mini beckett or nw like the atb?

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12671560#post12671560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Shawn D
hahn is that going to be a mini beckett or nw like the atb?



hahns right that thing is an overflow waiting to happen, i can see it now also how do you set the water level? that said it might rock if it were to be converted to a Needle/ meshwheel

i hope nobody would be stupid enough to regulate the water level in a hang on with a gate valve.

[hahnmeister]

It is not a needlewheel, that is for sure. I dont know what the injector will be exactly, as a regular beckett is too large, no doubt... but it is using some sort of after-pump venturi method.

[Shawn D]

Cool the ATB should kill it then. BTW nice Photo Booth work haha

[gcarroll]

looks like KZ finally has a skimmer that is using a bubble plate.

[recife111]

Too bad it just looks so ugly
The color is not pretty that is for sure, makes it look cheap.

[mr294]

I could probably deal with the color on an insump model, but who would want that neon orange horror show hanging off the back of their display?

[Fishdude1984]

so abut what size tank is this skimmer rated for?

[Shawn D]

Should be good for up to 100 gallons if I remember right

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12681968#post12681968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fishdude1984
so abut what size tank is this skimmer rated for?


100 gallons normal stocking 120 lightly stocked i would guess.

if it does 400-500LPH of air it should be fine to about 120 gallons unless you run a high bioload.

[Fishdude1984]

so, a bit to big for the 30 gallon that cube i was thinking about putting on one. lol

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12687376#post12687376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fishdude1984
so, a bit to big for the 30 gallon that cube i was thinking about putting on one. lol

most of them will be on tanks that size. they will be perfect for anything from 20-100 gallons

120 would be on the high side i think

[hahnmeister]

My suggestion would be to restrict the air a little bit for the smaller tanks. You simply dont need 400-480lph of air on a 30g. It should still work fine with say, 150-200lph of air.

Perhaps something even smaller than the HOB is in order...lol. Not likely though. When you get into the really small skimmers, the production/profit curve for most makers just doesnt show a benefit to even making them. Most of the costs from a skimmer get proportionally lower as you get larger, but smaller... well... costs dont go down proportionally... some are fixed per unit. Other things, like the time it takes to make an XL vs. a HOB, are so similar that if given a choice... you would make the XL which sells for so much more, right?

You need a bigger tank man!

Either that, or you need to figure out how to bend up your own cone from 1/8" acrylic, and make your own mini version of a cone based on a small pump like a Maxi-Jet 600 (or even mini-jet660)... 4" base, 12" tall, 2" neck, and make it yourself.

[Fishdude1984]

i know this defeats the point of a HOB but what are the chances of selling it with the option of only being an in sump model? that way one could (hopefully) avoid the extra costs of the brackets and extra tubing that are part of it as a hang on, i think that there would be a market for this as well as just a HOB

[GSMguy]

i keep telling them there is a market for a sub 500 dollar in sump cone.....

your on to something fishdude

[Fishdude1984]

a lot of my friends and I with smaller tanks and budgets feel this way, i just hope ATB dose something about it :rolleyes:

[skimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12687507#post12687507 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fishdude1984
i know this defeats the point of a HOB but what are the chances of selling it with the option of only being an in sump model? that way one could (hopefully) avoid the extra costs of the brackets and extra tubing that are part of it as a hang on, i think that there would be a market for this as well as just a HOB

the nano will be hob, or in sump

and i so agree, that orange and red monstrocity is evil looking....
how could you handle looking at that on a tank???

[skimmy]

oh, whoops, i just understood the q...
yes, i agree, they should release this with a " just the in sump for less" option

[isseym328]

Wow just found this link. After reading 5 pages worth of posts I'm pretty excited about this new HOB. Right now I have a Remora Pro of 4 yrs that I transferred to my new 60g cube. I think it does a great job since it's rated for 75-100g tanks. However it produces too much noise...especially since it's in my bedroom. Would this HOB be quieter as well as being more efficient? Any concrete differences between this HOB and other brands?

[GSMguy]

its going to be way better than a remora :)


im a member of the i gave my remora away club.

[Fishdude1984]

any release dates set yet? and finial pricing

[victor90]

Fishdude No set date yet but I will keep you posted

[Fishdude1984]

anything new yet?

[victor90]

We will have the pumps in the us to test in two weeks.

[GSMguy]

great news

[Radar1]

Are you going to need any local san jose Beta testers. This skimmer might just be the ticket for my new 55 gallon elos.

[kalare]

Oooh...I'd love to Beta test...but my tank is only around 20g. You should make a nano nano nano skimmer!

[Radar1]

I wanted to use a small but I've been told by some guys who have used them on tanks my size that the small size is just way more than is needed, using this skimmer in sump might be just right.

[Fishdude1984]

so any idea on finale pricing yet?

[victor90]

sorry we do not have a final price yet

[skimmy]

soooo, just wondering what is going on with this???
several other companies have already released hob skimmers that will be the same/more power for less money, so im feeling like your thunder got stolen...:(

but i really really want to see this thing, i know it's still going to be insane...i know atb is super busy right now, but when are we going to ACTUALLY see these babies???

[Radar1]

good things come to those who wait. I am looking forward to checking this thing out. An ATB small enough for my tank..

[kalare]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13179311#post13179311 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by koraltek
soooo, just wondering what is going on with this???
several other companies have already released hob skimmers that will be the same/more power for less money, so im feeling like your thunder got stolen...:(


I don't think there's any HOB that will have the same performance...correct me if I'm wrong

[GSMguy]

we don't even know what pump it will use

[boris MAC]

Koraltek, please name at least one model from one producer that is' let say "more power"/ For less money You do not have to tell we lnow dozens. How You know the power of unleashed product?

[JCTewks]

Well, if they stick with the AC70 modded pump on the ATB, your looking at around 400lph of air at 12-15watts. The new CnC HOB with a Sicce is pulling 700-800lph at 20watts and sells for around $400.

I'm not saying that it will "skim better" but it is "more power for less money" :D

[skimmy]

that one, and the warner marine H2 hob that gets 400lph as i recall.
i was basing my supposition on info ATB has already given us about power and price...
and i am in no was disparaging them, i know from experience that a skimmer with the same or less lph of air and a cone can outskim other skimmers with more air, so i know that it will still be one of the best hob's out there...the ATB design is what will make it superior.

[GSMguy]

i have seen the warner hob if it gets 400lph i would be surprised.

well koraltek thats the thing it takes time for ATB to design it ;), the pump they were using last was not the ac70 i dont think?

[Radar1]

Something else to concider. The ATB can also be converted to an insump skimmer as well.

[GSMguy]

so can the deltecs, but this should be even better, i have been waiting a long time luckily i have an MCE600 to hold me over...

[boris MAC]

Sicce for HOB? As the outside sump pump? Hmmm ... well let wait for ATB relise and than we will count numbers.

[Fishdude1984]

I WANT ONE NOW!!!

[victor90]

I will do running some final tests and changes next week so I am hoping we will have some soon sorry for the long wait.

[GSMguy]

do you have a test unit? can we get a picture or some specs?

[victor90]

Nick

I believe i will receive only the pumps to test.

[GSMguy]

what pumps would those be? :)

[victor90]

The aquaclear 70 and a laguna pump

[hahnmeister]

There are the new-jet pumps too... one of those might be worth hacking up...
http://glassbox-design.com/2008/interzoo-2008-aquarium-systems-new-jet/

[Radar1]

Any new news on the pump issues?

[Radar1]

Any new news on the pump issues?

[kalare]

I'd also like to know what's going on with these

[victor90]

I will let you know in a few weeks
thanks

[Fishdude1984]

any new info?

[victor90]

Sorry for the delayed response as well as the product release. Please remember we want to make sure perfect before it is released

Thank you
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[spleen93]

Victor - what a tease! Details, man! Price, size recommendations, can it be run in sump as well as HOB, when is it going to be listed on the website ... :D

[victor90]

Yes it can be run insump, I am hoping soon it will be listed on the website. I need to run some more tests to make sure this will be our final revision

[tarzan]

What pump will it be using? Is it also meshed?

I must say that I liked the previous design better - the one using AC70 pump - it looked more like a small version of his big brothers than it looks now. I also don't like the designs using a pump that is inside the tank - just looks bad. I guess there are lots of benefits; no cooling problems, less back pressure, less noise... but fitting it to a surface skimmer just makes the whole thing take a big part of your tank - that's what i hate most.

Wish you luck with them - I bet it's going to be "bestseller"!

[tarzan]

Never mind my previous post - i saw the pics on Austrian forum and it looks great - I love the fact that you have 3 different possibilities:
- to use it insump
- to use it HOB with pump inside the tank
- to use it HOB with pump outside the tank

Here is a pic of it set to have pump outside:
http://www.meerwasserinfo.at/phpBB2/files/dscn5629_336.jpg

But still I don't know what pump is used...

[spleen93]

How do you get the siphon started with the pump outside of the tank like that? Fill the cone with water before placement on the back?

[victor90]

If you run it that way you would have to fill the cone with water

[GSMguy]

spleen just needs to have some water in the cone, my deltec starts no problem wit the pump outside the tank

Victor that looks great this is going to be awesome

[ezcompany]

went with orange huh, looks great!

[JCTewks]

Victor, what pump is that? Could you not et the AC70 past the startup issues?

[rhoptowit]

wow, makes me wanna start a nano just to get this skimmer.

[victor90]

Thats another askol motor I am still testing the ac70 also

[Fishdude1984]

has the final pricing been set yet?

[victor90]

Still pending on which pump we use for the final version

[univalreef]

Can you try Eheim pump? I need something very quite... Thanks

[painkiller1009]

This hang on skimmer looks like its going to be a beast!!

[victor90]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/IMG_6592.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/IMG_6600.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/IMG_6593.jpg

[spleen93]

Which pump do you have running for that nog picture, Victor?

[victor90]

That is an eheim 1250

[kalare]

I'm excited....hoping this comes along soon!

[rroselavy]

What is the in-sump footprint and water level with the eheim 1250?

I would also love to know the expected price point when available...

[victor90]

rroselavy

we haven't made any final decisions on the pump yet i still have one more to test.

[spleen93]

Wow, that Eheim 1250 is looking pretty good!

[victor90]

Look @ these pics
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/IMG_6629.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/atbusa/IMG_6621.jpg

[GSMguy]

thats awesome, ive never seen a Hang on get skimmate that dark

[spleen93]

Even more impressive!

[recife111]

one thing about these hangs is that they are very bulky, they take a lot of space compared to a Deltec mce 600 which is not that noticeable on a tank, any thoughts re the size of the ATB.

[victor90]

We actually had a smaller version but we decided to give customers a real performing hang on skimmer

[univalreef]

Would it be possible; we can choose our own pump? For me, it would be Eheim or somthing is silent...

[kalare]

ATB knows what they're doing. I'm sure after all the multiple pumps that they test, they're not going to go and chose a loud pump.

[victor90]

The hangon will be one pump yes it will be dead silent

[skimmy]

:rollface:
i just about had a heart attack when i saw the pump in the tank...lol thank god it's modular and able to be set up 3 different ways:) i cant think of any other skimmer that does this..
and im glad to finally see the eheim 1250 on there, i suggested this 9 months ago but was told it was too expensive for the price point, so it looks as though they reconsidered...awesome!!!!

i love the red on the hob too, but i think ATB should make it in all grey as well, for those who wish the skimmer to BLEND IN, scince it's going to be visible:)
i wish my WM hob wasnt blue...lol

so, it doesnt look like i still get to beta one of these...:(
but that's o.k.!! im just glad they are finally almost out!!!

[boris MAC]

one thing about these hangs is that they are very bulky, they take a lot of space compared to a Deltec mce 600 which is not that noticeable on a tank, any thoughts re the size of the ATB.

You are right. I agree. This is no skimer you should pointed as hang on.
If You try to compare it with MC 600, it is no fair, this is far more stronger and yet powerfull filter, you can even aquire it, as hang on and use it as BK 160 or even better, but yet as of a price as of MC 600.

[bbehring]

You are right. I agree. This is no skimer you should pointed as hang on. If You try to compare it with MC 600, it is no fair, this is far more stronger and yet powerfull filter, you can even aquire it, as hang on and use it as BK 160 or even better, but yet as of a price as of MC 600.

Hugh?:confused:

[boris MAC]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13539657#post13539657 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bbehring
Hugh?:confused:

I'm sory, my English looks like not so good, so I may sound an offensive.

I just think ATB hang is much stronger than compared Deltec.

[GSMguy]

i agree from the size of it, i would say its better than an ap600 which means the MCE600 doesn't have much of a chance in comparison..

[ezcompany]

looks great

[Mykel Obvious]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13537789#post13537789 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by koraltek
i love the red on the hob too, but i think ATB should make it in all grey as well, for those who wish the skimmer to BLEND IN, scince it's going to be visible:)
i wish my WM hob wasnt blue...lol


+1 gray/black preferred

I really prefer my equipment to hide in the background as much as possible and not compete with the color of my corals :rolleyes:

[gasman034]

Exact dimensions of production cone body would be titillating... Are you taking preorders on this item? Exact release date?

[victor90]

I should get one more pump to test this week and then we will take orders.

Thanks

[Bluesop7]

Looks like its gonna be great! One question though....is this the same skimmer as this ATB nano I keep hearing about? (Of course im refering to the insump configuration of the hang-on model).

I second the vote for grey/black.

[GSMguy]

this is smaller than the nano

[rroselavy]

Although I would be running it in sump, I also vote for grey/black. I also wouldn't want an HOB skimmer to call attention to itself.

What is the cone's base diameter? I'm thinking a footprint of roughly 6"x10"?

Also, if run in-sump - is the intake U-tube necessary for optimal pressure, or should it be removed?


Thanks...

[GSMguy]

I think for in sump use the pump will hook directly to the skimmer

[Witch-King]

Any news on if this skimmer creates micro bubbles that release into the tank? My MCE-600 doesn't create very much, but even with 4 plus years of running it, it still creates some, just wondering if this new design tackles the issue. I'm very excited about this skimmer because its the first hang on that looks and performs like skimmers on tanks with sumps.

Also Just wondering if you ever tested any surface skimmer attachments on this skimmer, its not really a big deal or a deal breaker. I personally will find another way to surface skim, but just curious if the minds at ATI are attempting what I find as close to impossible without sacrificing major performance. Well that was my experience with any MCE-600 style skimmer, do to pump positioning.

[victor90]

With the eheim pump it has no microbubbles at all, we haven't tried any surface attachmnents

[Mykel Obvious]

So do we have a final price yet? Any numbers on air movement, etc? I really need an upgrade over my Remora Pro a.s.a.p., but I'm trying to hold out for one of these :D

[victor90]

air intake with the eheim 1250 is 400L/hr
I am still waiting for the final test pump which is scheduled to arrive next week
Sorry about the delays

[tarzan]

So you have now been testing an Askoll pump, Eheim 1250 and AC70. What is the final verdict? Which pump is it going to be? One of the above mentioned or a 4th one?

Regards, Tarzan

[victor90]

Tarzan,
Yes a 4th pump but if i read your handle correct I think your in the eu. They are using the askol motor overthere.

[sarajo]

how's the skimmer coming along any new updates and or what the price might be

[boris MAC]

Tarzan, Austria is very close to Slovenia, we also have send a nano to test in Slovenia. Here in Europe it is an asskol, if You want I can upload some fotos on Sloreef.

[GSMguy]

upload photos here please boris.

[boris MAC]

Sure GSM ... here it is, enjoy :)

http://www.aquaticacentral.com/smfboard/gallery/2_13_11_08_2_00_49.JPG

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[Creetin]

I am interested in a hang on skimmer for my 60 gal lps cube. This one is looking pretty good. Patiently waiting a release date. ;)

[rutz81]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13743642#post13743642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Creetin
I am interested in a hang on skimmer for my 60 gal lps cube. This one is looking pretty good. Patiently waiting a release date. ;)
So are the 9 pages of other people following this thread?!?! This is worse than when new electronics are coming out and all you see is "Coming Soon..."

[boris MAC]

rutz, acctualy here in EU it is out, you can order it, but probably in US cause of electricity diferences, there are some pump issues, I hope Victor has more info abouth it.

[victor90]

I am very sorry but I hope you understand the RD that goes before we release a product. We are very close now. It is between a eheim 1250 pump and a aquabee 2000/1.

Thank you for your patience

[mr294]

I think the aquabee would be a mistake.

[victor90]

Brandon,

Can you tell me why?

Thanks

[boris MAC]

I can coment wile Brandon replay Victor.
Regarding Aqubee pumps, wile we use them as circulation pumps, they are perfekt in the begining, solid German made, dead silent.
But after a year or so of operating things know to change drasticly.
Main problems( not with all pumps in use) noise and an impresion of lost power.

This how ever we can not noticed on ATB modifed skimer Aquabee pumps. Maybe it use as a skimer pump make a diference.

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13746920#post13746920 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
Brandon,

Can you tell me why?

Thanks
Just my feelings about aquabee's and I have owned a few.
They are the German equivalence of a RIO. ;)

[Creetin]

\

[Mykel Obvious]

Of the two, I'd vote for the eheim 1250 as well. Has a reputation as a much more solid long lasting pump from what I've read online

[recife111]

But after a year or so of operating things know to change drasticly. Main problems( not with all pumps in use) noise and an impresion of lost power.
I have to agree. they do start to get louder after a year,
Eheim would be far better,

[JCTewks]

there have been several AB pump issues on some other mfr's skimmers...noise being the smallest issue, total premature failure being another.

[univalreef]

I vote for Eheim. I have owned so many skimmers and return pumps; noise level jumps after couple months/weeks. I need something silent (not quite). This is only my preference; I'm only interested in something with Eheim or Red Dragon. How about, to provide fifferent adapter(s) / valves for different pumps ??

[GSMguy]

Well I have always had good luck with my aquabee skimmer pump but, I do hear stories about failure, my guess its like with the sicce their popularity is their downfall, out of the thousands of aquabee skimmer pumps out there some are bound to fail. Even the mighty red dragon breaks shafts and shreds bearings once in a while

[xavier-seahorse]

Hello,

On the last picture, the pump is on the tanks : for a aesthetic point of vieuw, it's not good !


Could you make a " hang on skimmer" with external pump please ?

thanks

bye

xavier

[Radar1]

read throught the other pages and look at the other posted pics. the skimmer looks like it can be configuered that way as well.

[rroselavy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13764806#post13764806 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xavier-seahorse
Could you make a " hang on skimmer" with external pump please ?

http://www.meerwasserinfo.at/phpBB2/files/dscn5629_336.jpg

[Lunchbucket]

When these HOT's available?

Lunchbucket

[victor90]

LunchBucket,

I am hoping soon,

Thanks

[xavier-seahorse]

Ok, thanks

good to see that the pump will be external !

In your design : Do this hang on skimmer will have a protection for risque of bubble overflow ?

( sorry, my english is not good, I'm french !)

thanks

bye

xavier
Paris, France

[victor90]

At the top of the cup there is a drain

[xavier-seahorse]

cool, thanks

hope to see it fast, and hope that the price will be good ! ;-)

bye,

xavier

[rroselavy]

What is the approximate footprint when used in sump?

[Radar1]

I was wondering if you were going to have a booth at baymac this weekend?

[victor90]

I will be there but no booth

[rroselavy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13772306#post13772306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rroselavy
What is the approximate footprint when used in sump?

Argh. Question blocked... thanks Radar1... :p

[victor90]

I will get you measurements tonight

[victor90]

hang on Insump footprint 6w x 9Lx 23H including eheim pump

[rroselavy]

Perfect, thanks for the info! Let us know the price as soon as you can...

[rroselavy]

dupe post

[apu701]

hi, pleaseeeee consider making it all black, even the chamber... some people end up having no other place to place the hangon except a highly visible place... i hope that you might even have an option to make it blacked out. .. pleaseee

[GSMguy]

making it black wont hide it, it will just make it black.

[bbehring]

Man, the skimmer is the coolest piece of equip on the tank! When you have a killer skimmer, you want it to stand out, no? I'm always showing my skimmer off! It's like bling for the tank! I'd run it right out in front, but my fishies like seeing me!

[Radar1]

maybe you should ask victor if you can order one in another color. I know that the smalls are made in red now but one can be ordered in white.

[bbehring]

You could always paint the plastic with Krylon Fusion paint. Just mask off the acrylic parts. Shouldn't be too difficult?

[victor90]

The hangons will be available in red, black, or white

[GSMguy]

dang that's cool

[Mykel Obvious]

Originally posted by ATB USA
The hangons will be available in red, black, or white

Now THAT rocks!!!

Any further word on which pump you will end up going with? Perhaps make pump choice optional?

[rroselavy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13777845#post13777845 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
The hangons will be available in red, black, or white

Perfect. I would like my skimmer lid red with a white racing stripe down the middle. :p

[victor90]

Anton has decided to make it work with both pumps the eheim 1250 or an aquabee 2000/1. I should get the pricing soon and pictures of the final product in white

[Zoanut]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13775174#post13775174 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
hang on Insump footprint 6w x 9Lx 23H including eheim pump

Looks like its going to be a eheim.

[Zoanut]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13779331#post13779331 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ATB USA
Anton has decided to make it work with both pumps the eheim 1250 or an aquabee 2000/1. I should get the pricing soon and pictures of the final product in white


Which one was skimming better in the tests?