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DeltecRules
02/15/2008, 06:24 PM
Hey guys I just ordered this beauty from Phishybusiness. I can hardly wait until Tuesday!! I been waiting for this rare species to become available here.
Scott
Check this beauty out.
http://phishybusiness.com/livestock/product_info.php?products_id=1232
and here is a youtube video of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnLW4mbCN94
gasman059
02/15/2008, 06:58 PM
nice very nice!
I dunno much about the species.
Assuming they have similar requirements for anthias.
achillesheel
02/15/2008, 07:58 PM
i just ordered one also. thanx for the heads up dr. these guys are so cool. they are deep water and tend to prefer cooler temps but ive read a lot of people keeping them in their reefs.
DeltecRules
02/15/2008, 08:06 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11858898#post11858898 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by achillesheel
i just ordered one also. thanx for the heads up dr. these guys are so cool. they are deep water and tend to prefer cooler temps but ive read a lot of people keeping them in their reefs.
Anytime man. I been waiting to jump on one of these guys for a while. I bought a small one. Sedar told me they can be a little aggressive but I hope he can handle my Tinkers and mitratus who are a little bossy to newcomers.
achillesheel
02/15/2008, 08:09 PM
i picked up a small one also and have a large one on hold until i can decide to put out the cash. are you putting yours in your reef. ive got a little cube going right now that i am going to qt them in and decide later if i want to reef them
Rare Angels
02/15/2008, 09:00 PM
I placed my order a little while ago. Can't wait to get mine.
Dave
triggerfish1976
02/15/2008, 09:16 PM
These fish are deep water anthias and these are first I have seen available in the US in a few months. The last batch didn't do very well and I only know of a couple that are still alive. The ones that did well were kept in dimly lit or dark tanks and at lower temps. around 70-74 degrees. Many died from swim bladder infections due to improper collection.
The good news for all of you is that these fish are coming from Sedar so I assume they are healthy and acclimated.
ezcompany
02/16/2008, 12:26 AM
im too scared to drop that money on a fish that might die!
Vili_Shark
02/16/2008, 06:28 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11859576#post11859576 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
These fish are deep water anthias and these are first I have seen available in the US in a few months. The last batch didn't do very well and I only know of a couple that are still alive. The ones that did well were kept in dimly lit or dark tanks and at lower temps. around 70-74 degrees. Many died from swim bladder infections due to improper collection.
The good news for all of you is that these fish are coming from Sedar so I assume they are healthy and acclimated.
I saw over 30 of them in the past year, almost none had any swim bladder problem.
All had flat worms problems.
IME they are the most sensetive fish to Flat Worms.
triggerfish1976
02/16/2008, 06:59 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11861465#post11861465 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
I saw over 30 of them in the past year, almost none had any swim bladder problem.
All had flat worms problems.
IME they are the most sensetive fish to Flat Worms.
Thanks for that info Vili. I saw the ones Alex had on my trip to Thailand and it repeaked my interest in these fish again since he was having great success with keeping them. I didn't imagine that would be available so soon in the US.
Vili_Shark
02/16/2008, 07:40 AM
Trigger,
They were available in LA in 2007 as well.
These days I know of quite a few which are available for sale .
Unlike what many people think, the fish arrives in excellent condition, no problems what so ever with that swim bladder, but then you will start seeing first signs of flat worms.
marinebetta
02/16/2008, 08:31 AM
Finally I managed to see some in real life.....Guess where this guy is now?:D
http://aquatic-photography.com/gallery/files/645-Borb-2.jpg
Villi my friend, what did you use to treat the flatworms with? Only have them a few hrs and this guy is already feeding well but I remember your warnings about flatworms....
Vili_Shark
02/16/2008, 09:21 AM
Li my friend,
I assume those are from Jon.(are they?)
If they are I checked them, they are clean.
But I guess jon should concentrate on the singapore market cause his packing skills are somewhat lousy.
Li, watch that tail.
So far I treated with FW bath, but since they are so small this time Im afraid to do it again, might try Prazi.
I really want to learn more about that flat worm, info I gathered is that they are very coomon with Indonesian exporters and can not complete cycle in the tank, as part of their cycle in bird poop.
Can anybody confirm?
marinebetta
02/16/2008, 09:42 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11862126#post11862126 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
Li my friend,
I assume those are from Jon.(are they?)
If they are I checked them, they are clean.
But I guess jon should concentrate on the singapore market cause his packing skills are somewhat lousy.
Li, watch that tail.
So far I treated with FW bath, but since they are so small this time Im afraid to do it again, might try Prazi.
I really want to learn more about that flat worm, info I gathered is that they are very coomon with Indonesian exporters and can not complete cycle in the tank, as part of their cycle in bird poop.
Can anybody confirm? Yes, they are from Jon. Look to be in pretty good condition. He told me this batch is the third shipment in the last few weeks. Apparently his supplier has been sending them in pretty good conditon - no bouyancy problems, eating etc. They are pretty small - about 1 inch SL - but I prefer them this way as they should be more adaptable and ship better.
It is possible about the life cycle of the flatworm. This kind of life cycle is known but whether it is so for this particular species I wouldn't know - you will need an id on the flatworm species. I might try gut loading some brineshrimp and treating them one day...
Thanks for the info.
Vili_Shark
02/16/2008, 10:42 AM
Li my friend,
Jon was right about the 3rd shipment of Borbs that he got.
What he "forgot" to tell you that in the first batch he sent me one fish medium size, upon arrival, when i lift the bag and looked at it upside down to see the fish, left it like this for a couple of minutes when the fish and me are staring at each other, then I could see some worms that fell off this fish at about where the rubber band is, I also saw that the tail fin was damaged.
When I dipped that fish it was "snowing", insane amount of worms.
Jon reply was" I was too busy this week so I didnt inspect the fish before packing".
How many did ya get?
FishGuy5
02/16/2008, 12:14 PM
Man, those are NICE!!!!!
marinebetta
02/16/2008, 08:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11862646#post11862646 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
Li my friend,
Jon was right about the 3rd shipment of Borbs that he got.
What he "forgot" to tell you that in the first batch he sent me one fish medium size, upon arrival, when i lift the bag and looked at it upside down to see the fish, left it like this for a couple of minutes when the fish and me are staring at each other, then I could see some worms that fell off this fish at about where the rubber band is, I also saw that the tail fin was damaged.
When I dipped that fish it was "snowing", insane amount of worms.
Jon reply was" I was too busy this week so I didnt inspect the fish before packing".
How many did ya get?
What type of worms? Same as before? Flatworms? I was told the first shipment was just a single fish, large size (3-4 inch with tail) so maybe this was the one you got?? If it did have worms then I will need to watch these guys carefully and definately consider worming them soon since they are from the same chain of custody as yours. Let me know about those worms....
I got 2 of them. Right now they are having a little tiff - nothing serious, but one will intimidate the other such that it goes into hiding.
For those that have had groups of these guys - what's been your experience with them. Do they behave like typical anthias, or more like sunbursts? (which these kind of remind me of wrt behaviour and shape etc). Will I be looking at heightened aggression till one gets killed?
BADGUS
02/16/2008, 08:58 PM
Cool looking fish.
cl2ysta1
02/16/2008, 10:30 PM
serdar definetely rocks!
achillesheel
02/16/2008, 10:51 PM
what temp do you guys keep/plan to keep these guys? are they going into your reefs?
Vili_Shark
02/17/2008, 12:58 AM
Looks like there's enough for everybody, prices should drop.
achillesheel
02/18/2008, 11:44 PM
anybody? reef/ species tank? im curious.
p.s. im getting excited. my pair come in tomorrow. right now im planning on putting them into my 75g "qt" that is in line with the rest of my system.
Hormigaquatica
02/19/2008, 01:01 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11867149#post11867149 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by achillesheel
what temp do you guys keep/plan to keep these guys? are they going into your reefs?
I had the privilege of seeing the Entire group together (perks of working in that shop). I can tell you that the majority of them are being held in a tank running about 75 degrees, and they seem to handle it just fine- they havent showed any kind of stress from it (eating aggressively, alert, active, etc). 2 of them did end up moving into the store's 450g display reef; the temp there hovers closer to 80 most of the time. Again, they seem to be fine with it. I would be hesitant about keeping them at temps higher than that long term, and you may get nicer coloration and more activity at temps lower than that, but it doesnt seem to affect them too badly. Really a stunning fish- wish I had a tank suitable for them at home.
fittiger
02/19/2008, 11:14 AM
Can anyone suggest where to get one of these. I've been looking for over a year.
Titan*69
02/19/2008, 06:08 PM
There's a place near me that get's them in here and there for $120.
In Canada, so I think shipping live animals stateside is out've the question.
sonomanapa
02/20/2008, 03:01 AM
I got my little Borbonius about 2 weeks ago. He loves to eat PE Mysid enriched with Tropic Marin Lipo and immuvit.
He seems a little shy and stays in a cave most of the day, every now and then I will catch him exploring around his new found home.
I have noticed he comes out more when I turn off the pumps for feeding or maintenance ( Vortech blowing across tank). Not used to the heavy current?
Hopefully he will get used to the current and bright lights.
Cheers
achillesheel
02/20/2008, 04:40 PM
how is everybody else's doing? mine ate mysis the first evening and are so beautiful. still in "qt".
also does anybody see an issue with adding a pair of cherry anthias in with these guys in a cool 60g cube? just curious. thinking about doing a tank at around 68* to 70* and having the foursome in there. any thoughts
triggerfish1976
02/20/2008, 04:49 PM
I wouldn't add cherry anthias especially in a 60. All of the Cherry's that I have seen are very agressive and I most come in around 4" + range.
The Borbonius can also be pretty agressive so I see them fighting sooner or later.
takayan
02/21/2008, 10:31 AM
Here is mine from Phisy. He was swimming up side down when I received. Also, he was a kind of floating on the surface. After 8 hours, he became normal and ate frozen brine shrimp.
I hope he will be alive for a long time.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/530/68575HolanthiasBorbonius.JPG
fittiger
02/21/2008, 04:26 PM
How are everyone's new borbs doing?
myerst2
02/22/2008, 04:45 PM
Well after two days my Borbonius seems to have adjusted well. He was harassed a little bit by my powder blue but that has stopped. He has found a cave and is very reclusive until food hits the water and is a very agressive feeder, but quickly returns to his hideout. I feel the fish has adjusted as well as any other fish that I have acquired. Hopefully he will begin to grow a pair and begin to swim in open water. If not I'm happy to have a well adjusted fish that seems to against the norm with these fish. I've changed the pc bulbs in the this particular tank to be a bit darker. Also I have begun to bring the temp down and will keep it at 76-77f. Taking a picture is almost imposible. This is the best I could do and looks like a disposable camera. Regards, Tim
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3521.jpg
achillesheel
02/22/2008, 05:11 PM
this must have been a really heathy batch. everybody's seem to be doing well. has anybody seen any signs of flatworms or any other diseases? does anybody know where this group came from?
sonomanapa
02/22/2008, 06:01 PM
He now comes out quite often.
<a href="http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/sonomanapa/?action=view¤t=Borbonius.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd140/sonomanapa/Borbonius.jpg" border="0" alt="Borbonius"></a>
ezcompany
02/22/2008, 06:32 PM
where are you guys getting your fishies besides phishy? if you don't mind me asking :)
DeltecRules
02/22/2008, 07:08 PM
I haven't seen any other online vendors getting any in. So far online its phishybusiness. I am surprised liveaquaria couldn't get there hands on any.
Scott
myerst2
02/22/2008, 08:10 PM
I got mine from a LFS on Long Island in NY. They have been getting rare fish for decades and seem to have first dibs on the exotics just like Old Town Aquarium. They have a few more of these Borbonius. They also have 3 clarions available, 3 Rhinopias, jocular. Mitratus, golden hearts, zebra horned shraks, clown tile, and a bunch of other goodies. What have people been paying for their Borbonius? I see no signs of worms. I gave him a bath just to be sure but saw no problems while viewing him in the store. I remember the last time I saw these guys come in and they looked horrible. Most were suffering from poor de-compression as well as being completely emaciated. This current batch were feeding like blue devil damsels in the dealers tanks. I have never seen any anthias feed the way this fish did and has continued to do so at home. I just wish he would show his face a bit more. I noticed that the one I got has a "streamer" at the end of its dorsal, whereas the other didn't. Is this a way of determining sex? So how much have you all paid for yours? Mines a good 3 1/2". How big do they get? Wish all continued success with a very cool fish. Going to feed the tank for the 10th or so time and try and get that elusive picture. Regards, Tim
sugartooth
02/22/2008, 10:52 PM
I got mine. Can someone tell me if I need to worry about the fins. They look a little tattered and in between the rays, there are some cloudy spots.
Will this go away on their own? I have started feeding vitachem and beta glucan soaked foods. I also soak in spirulina and vibrance (alternating)
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nullcable/2284536453/" title="odon anthias #5 by nullcable, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2284536453_7f98d9d5a8_o.jpg" width="640" height="442" alt="odon anthias #5" /></a>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nullcable/2284536457/" title="odon anthias #6 by nullcable, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2406/2284536457_f3335f63fe_o.jpg" width="564" height="480" alt="odon anthias #6" /></a>
Thanks very much for any input. I wish there was more info on them....I really like these guys! I hope they will do well.
just dave
02/23/2008, 01:04 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11862646#post11862646 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
When I dipped that fish it was "snowing", insane amount of worms.
Where the somewhat oval in shape and had something of a frosted white color to them?
Vili_Shark
02/23/2008, 02:42 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11918960#post11918960 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by just dave
Where the somewhat oval in shape and had something of a frosted white color to them?
The frosted white color comes only after they come in contact with fresh water, ya cant see them otherwise.
Scott,
We currently have 15 Odontanthias borbonius in stock, both large and small, and all of them have been quarantined and conditioned properly and we will begin to start offering these fish on the LiveAquaria.com website mid to late next week in our Diver’s Den section. Just like all of the Diver's Den fish, we choose to properly quarantine, medicate, de-worm, and condition all fish before offering them to our valued customers so that we can limit any potential problems that may arise with shipping freshly imported fish to customers.
Like other Anthias, Odontanthias borbonius will oftentimes be infested with flukes, and one of the three batches of these fish we received in the last month definitely were infected with these parasites. This was nothing that couldn’t be overcome with some freshwater baths, formalin and malachite green.
Other posts,
I was fortunate enough to obtain and personally own three specimens early last year when they first hit the US market. I understand that numerous people had problems with these fish, mainly swim bladder infections or damage due to improper decompression.
I have housed three Odontanthias borbonius in my 120-gallon reef aquarium in my office for over 8 months. These fish were introduced into a well-established SPS aquarium with large Acropora spp. colonies, 1300 watts of metal halide lighting, and 4 VorTech pumps, and temperature of 77-78 degrees.
The fish that were in the aquarium when the Borbs were introduced, which I have owned for many years, and are still thriving today, consists of 1- pair of Serranocirrhitus latus, 1-pair of Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis, 1- Cirrhilabrus cf. 1 (Nahacky's fairy wrasse collected by Tony himself in Fiji), 1- Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus (Pin Tail Wrasse) 1- Paracheilinus rubricaudalis 1- pair of Yellow Fijian Atrosalarias fuscus var., and 1- Fiji Neocirrhitus armatus.
The Borbs were quick to settle in and adjust to the very strong current, and intense lighting, spending most of their time under large plating corals the majority of the day. After a few days they developed a very distinct pecking order within the group, and they were not harassed at all by either of the Serranocirrhitus latus. These fish definitely do not group together as they keep their distance from one another, and all three fish have their own personal space in different parts of my aquarium.
Odontanthias borbonius seem to be very shy fish, and do not prefer to bask under halides, and they can always be found underneath coral heads. I feed my aquarium very small quantities of food 4-5 times per day, to keep the body weight up on all of the Anthias. One interesting note is that these fish will be very active at dusk, and also when the lights initially go off on the aquarium, as they will all be out in the open during this time swimming in the current of the VorTech.
IMO the ideal set up for these fish is a dimly lit aquarium that has numerous vertical walls with horizontal overhangs, which I would think this is more in line with their natural habitat. Fortunately, these fish do seem to adapt to SPS aquariums with more intense light, as long as they are not maintained with territorial tank mates, and there is plenty of overhangs and hiding places for them to get out of the light when they feel the need.
I am very excited to see more of these beautiful fish in the trade, and am glad that numerous enthusiasts here on RC are able to enjoy this fish in their own aquarium. Discovering new things, and observing the behavior of fish that are not prevalent in the aquarium trade is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby to me.
Regards,
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
achillesheel
02/23/2008, 10:23 AM
thanks kevin for the info. any idea as to how much they'll be going for?
info on these guys is very hard to come especially captive care. we appreciate you stepping in
just dave
02/23/2008, 10:40 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11919185#post11919185 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
The frosted white color comes only after they come in contact with fresh water, ya cant see them otherwise.
I know. You said you dipped and I assumed you meant in FW. You mentioned that you were told they had a complex life cycle as in they needed other animals to complete it, they do not. They only need the fish. Probably a Neobenedenia sp. fluke and Praziquantel , as you know, is your best choice for in tank treatment ( organophosphates work also , i.e. Fluke Tabs) and FW or Formalin works as dips. To my knowledge none of the above work on the eggs so the treatments must take this into account.
Vili_Shark
02/23/2008, 10:46 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11920662#post11920662 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by just dave
I know. You said you dipped and I assumed you meant in FW. You mentioned that you were told they had a complex life cycle as in they needed other animals to complete it, they do not. They only need the fish. Probably a Neobenedenia sp. fluke and Praziquantel , as you know, is your best choice for in tank treatment ( organophosphates work also , i.e. Fluke Tabs) and FW or Formalin works as dips. To my knowledge none of the above work on the eggs so the treatments must take this into account.
What I was told is that they need bird poop to complete the cycle.
However you are right, I did not take any chances and the new ones were in FW dips upon arrival, then 3 days of Praziquantel and Pirantel which is good for the eggs.
Sorry if I mispelled, as the wrting on the bottle is not in english.
As per what Mr.Kevin Kohen said, FME these worms wont die from malachite or Formalin.
The Fish Finder
02/23/2008, 10:53 AM
Here are my two. I have had them for some time now. They live in my 22G pod reef. And they have it all to themselves. I noticed unlike most ppl mine are out all the time. I have dim lighting on my tank and there are no other fish in the tank. Here's a few pic's from last night. If anyone has any questions about them that haven't been answered yet please ask me on here or via pm.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/jpp118187/FIsh%20Pics/IMG_0797.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/jpp118187/FIsh%20Pics/IMG_0792.jpg
just dave
02/23/2008, 11:20 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11920704#post11920704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Vili_Shark
What I was told is that they need bird poop to complete the cycle.
I wish they did have , things would be easier. One of the problems is that certain suppliers don't treat / treat adequately for them and as a result are infested with them and consequently "clean" fish get infested when in those systems. Another issue is that many places that do treat adequately are only treating the system because in many cases the fish may not be with them long enough to benefit from the treatment.
I didn't notice any misspelling, I just saw that you referred to it as Prazi (which has become an acceptable slang name) and posted the name in full so people could see what active ingredient they were after if the bottle didn't use it as part of its name like Hikari's Prazipro.
........ these worms wont die from......... Formalin.
It would not be my first choice as a dip and I'd never use it as a system treatment but I have found it to be fairly effective at a 1 ml/3.8l for 30 min.
One also needs to keep an eye out for secondary infections caused by its method of attachment.
Your description of a heavily infested fish having the flukes come off like it was snowing during a FW dip is a good one as I've thought the same thing myself.
just dave
02/23/2008, 11:31 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11919555#post11919555 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DFS
Just like all of the Diver's Den fish, we choose to properly quarantine, medicate, de-worm, and condition all fish before offering them to our valued customers so that we can limit any potential problems that may arise with shipping freshly imported fish to customers.
I understand what you are saying and certainly understand why the expensive fish get this treatment but It implies that the less valued customers that buy fish from the "regular menu" are on their own. I'm not picking at you I was just thinking that maybe this was worded in a fashion that you didn't mean.
myerst2
02/23/2008, 11:47 AM
It is impossible for me to get a good shot of my new guy. Here they are anyway. So whats the going price for these guys? Regards, Tim
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3549.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3543.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3533.jpg
myerst2
02/23/2008, 11:59 AM
ok I got some better pics. Pictures really don't do this fish any justice. Regards, Tim
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3555.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3554.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/IMG_3552.jpg
The Fish Finder
02/23/2008, 12:19 PM
$200 each for mine a few months back
Just Dave,
I understand what you are saying and certainly understand why the expensive fish get this treatment but It implies that the less valued customers that buy fish from the "regular menu" are on their own. I'm not picking at you I was just thinking that maybe this was worded in a fashion that you didn't mean.
I was not implying anything but rather trying and shed some light and my experience with these beautiful fish, and explain what we do when we receive these Anthias. All of us here at Drs. Foster and Smith try and treat each valued customer the same, just like we would want to be treated ourselves. We don’t have any "less valued" customers and we fully stand behind everything we sell, including all of the aquatic life offered on LiveAquaria.com.
achillesheel
thanks kevin for the info. any idea as to how much they'll be going for?
Three Odontanthias borbonius are available now and these fish will continue to be added to the LiveAquaria.com Divers Den section (http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/index.cfm) over the next few weeks. The price is $349.99.
I apologize for the late response; I was traveling on business and had little to no time to respond to this post.
Regards,
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
lunner
02/27/2008, 10:42 PM
I am too late, all gone @ Liveaquaria :(
I post some pics on Saturday... hehehehe
flameangel88
02/29/2008, 09:38 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11962459#post11962459 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lunner
I am too late, all gone @ Liveaquaria :(
reef hot spot (RC sponsor) has them for $299.99 shipped.
2.5-3.5"
reefhotspot.com (http://www.reefhotspot.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=3573)
if anyone lives in NJ near cherry hill they have them at In Living Color for $125 each.
triggerfish1976
03/04/2008, 09:26 PM
Reefermadness.us has one for $1200. The reefer must be real good this week.:lol:
REEFRHEAD
03/04/2008, 10:16 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12012240#post12012240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
Reefermadness.us has one for $1200. The reefer must be real good this week.:lol:
now that is too funny and true because thats crazy crazy crazy expecially when they could just see what all the other places are selling them for.
keefsama2003
03/05/2008, 06:30 AM
Lunner country critters out in patchogue LI has 2 Fully grown.
I dont remember the price but you may want to give them a call if you really want them
flameangel88
03/07/2008, 11:48 PM
LA DD have 2 in stock for $349 each.
I understand suppy and demand drives the price but this fish was only $90 in Nov last year from NYAquatic.com from the thrd on manhattanreefs.com forum:
Nov 26th 2007 (http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/nyaquatic/32954-blotchy-anthias-odontanthias-borbonius.html)
Does anyone have picture of a female?
WM15: thanks for the tip that ILC has it in stock. 136 miles round trip and driving in the rain with my wife was well worth it.
The Fish Finder
03/08/2008, 12:54 AM
I know quite a few ppl that have gotten them from NYAquatic just to have them die with in a few day's. All the feedback i've herd about them has been negative.
flameangel88
03/08/2008, 01:11 AM
So sad to hear that. Looks like NYAquatic sold another batch in couple of weeks ago for $115 each and some of the pick ups right at the airport (JFK) and that should have been less stress with one less hand dealing with acclimation. Is it possible the buyers are not treating them for flukes or bacterial infection? I know the last couple of months angels, tangs and other fishes are coming in with flukes regardless its from lfs or various online vendors.
sugartooth
03/08/2008, 10:28 AM
I've had them for a little over a week and they are aggressive.
I had peace in my QT and now I am going to dip and separate. The big bully looks fantastic, good color and positions himself right where the food comes and chases all others.
The other Borbs look raggedy and tore up. I'm not sure if they have anything or are just getting beat up in there. It's a chain reaction, big bully chases one, that one that's chased goes after the next, etc.
My other anthias in there are being chased. The only one that it leaves alone is my supermale pink margin.
I'm yanking one out to try and restore the peace.
Also, note that the tank is too small for them. I'm hoping that after they go in the large tank (750) there won't be this problem.
john37
03/08/2008, 10:50 AM
hey guys, i got a couple questions...
- do these guys swim around a lot like other anthias or are they more like sunburst, sitting in a cave?
- can you tell the difference between male and female?
- can they be kept in groups? how big of a tank? or will they kill each other?
thanks, beautiful fish btw.
sugartooth
03/08/2008, 10:55 AM
Only from my limited experience thus far:
- always out in the water
- find out real fast where the food comes from
- eats A BUNCH
- can't tell male and female
- the bigger the meaner
- needs BIG tank if more than one>100 gallons per fish
sugartooth
03/08/2008, 10:55 AM
doh
tobasdad
03/09/2008, 06:31 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12039700#post12039700 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by flameangel88
So sad to hear that. Looks like NYAquatic sold another batch in couple of weeks ago for $115 each and some of the pick ups right at the airport (JFK) and that should have been less stress with one less hand dealing with acclimation. Is it possible the buyers are not treating them for flukes or bacterial infection? I know the last couple of months angels, tangs and other fishes are coming in with flukes regardless its from lfs or various online vendors.
There was a batch that came in about 6 weeks ago that ended up being very shaky.
There's a new batch that came in about 2 weeks ago that seems rock solid. Eating like pigs from day 1, 0 losses.
And the suppliers in Bali have gotten wiser. They keep raising pricers to keep up with demand. Export prices are now 5x what they were last year.
lunner
03/09/2008, 08:05 AM
I got a couple from NYAquatic almost 2 weeks ago.
I drove to pick them up myself after he acclaimated them.
I also think they are aggressive.
One is huge like 4+" the other 2.5"
The large one swim behind the rock shelves for almost a week eats very little, the small could't be found. No aggression observed.
This week, the large one swim out even when the lights are on during feeding time. Eats very aggressively (1st frozen mysis, then frozen formula 1, now even eats formula 1 &2 pallets).
Would chase my fishes (chased: male Lineatus wrasse, male Flame wrasse (leave female alone...), both male and female Bartlett's anthias) didn't chase the similar sized Watanabei Angels pair. Lost the male Flame Wrasse yesterday.
The smaller one die a few days ago. Didn't really eat and wasn't really been chased after.
I am adding a smaller 1.5" today and see what happen.
Here is a pic of my large one
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/gallery/files/1/0/0/9/DSC00347.JPG
lunner
03/09/2008, 08:27 AM
Oh forgot, the chasing usually happen during feeding time.
For now it is much more willing to swim out and active when the lights aren't on during the day. But will swim out a bit when the lights are on. I mean they are from deep water after all?
tobasdad
03/09/2008, 07:47 PM
Allen,
I am curious to hear how the big one welcomes the smaller addition.
Michael
lunner
03/09/2008, 09:54 PM
Hi Michael
I acclaimated the little guy for like 3 1/2 hours. He came right out and browse around. The big one didn't pick on him at all (so far anyway). When the lights went on, the lil guy swim behind the rock shelves like the big one did when I first got him. I put some frozen food towards the back and he ate a little as well. So far so good. :)
I got a pic of him at the same spot as the big one when the lights were off for comparison.
Very cute looking.
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/gallery/files/1/0/0/9/DSC00353.JPG
ssavader
03/10/2008, 02:13 PM
Does anyone know the name of this avian-marine flatworm? Any info would be appreciated that would allow for further investigation.
MrSquid
03/10/2008, 04:11 PM
Just got an email from NY Aquatic - they have them back in @ $185
sedgro
03/10/2008, 05:46 PM
Scott-
The flatworm is "Neobenedinia". See this thread:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1260067&highlight=flukes
They are very susceptible to a simple freshwater dip. Just about every fish out of Bali and Tonga is covered with them any more.
MrSquid
03/10/2008, 08:12 PM
Are they aggressive towards each other, towards other anthias, or towards other fish in general?
flameangel88
03/10/2008, 08:20 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12057964#post12057964 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MrSquid
Just got an email from NY Aquatic - they have them back in @ $185
The 2 over at LA DD are still there and more coming in from NYAquatic so we may be seeing price drop very soon. I think $350 is way too much.
The fish doesn't swim much and still basically hoovering at the same spot near the top has me worry. It does eat but not like a pig as most folks here said. I will update in a couple of days and in the mean time hope other folks would update their experience with the Borb.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/Borbonius%20Anthias/IMG_2025Large.jpg
lunner
03/10/2008, 08:47 PM
The two I got now eats pretty aggressive.
MrSquid, I described how mine are doing and how aggressive they are a few posts above you.
tobasdad
03/10/2008, 08:51 PM
These aren't triggers. However, I'd definitely say they are aggressive feeders. Pellets and mysis bring out a feeding frenzy.
flameangel88
03/12/2008, 10:39 AM
I got 3 in last night on a special order from my lfs--1 lg 4-4.25" and 2 sm about 1.75" and the other is less than 1.5". The smallest one went in hiding in a cave but I can see it right next to the rock. The other 2 acclimated fine with the small one eat little but the big one hasn't start eating yet. About after an hour in the tank the big bully did bully the established med 3" Borb (from last Friday) but then moved onto the other side of the tank. So far the big bully hasn't bothered anyone in the tank including the small one and my PBT didn't bother the new Borbs either.
This batch looks very nice and here are a couple of pictures:
Look at the size difference bet the large and small
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/Borbonius%20Anthias/IMG_2069Large.jpg
Large Borb next to my 4" + Butterfly
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/Borbonius%20Anthias/IMG_2077Large.jpg
Two pictures of the small one:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/Borbonius%20Anthias/IMG_2082Large.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/reeftankpix/Borbonius%20Anthias/IMG_2066Large.jpg
So far, they don't swim too much and basically hang out in one spot till feeding time and they will swim very little toward the food. Hopefully the smallest one will come out for a photo shoot. :)
CableGuy
03/12/2008, 01:50 PM
Here is mine, just got him Two day's ago. He eats frozen Mysis no problems at all. Stay's more to the shaded areas of the tank but will come out for food. He is about 4". He does not actively chase any fish around but he will chase a fish away if it gets a little to close to his personal space.
Colby
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/BaysideCorals/borbonius2.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/BaysideCorals/borbonius3.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r265/BaysideCorals/Borbonius1.jpg
lunner
03/12/2008, 04:48 PM
Very nice guys
sugartooth
03/12/2008, 08:51 PM
Flame, beautiful pictures!
I found the little ones are pretty good. They chase each other out of their 'personal space' often. The big one....different story. The big one was chasing all of them except my male pink margin.
He is now by himself in a tub and quickly learned once I approach the tub, he will be fed. He sits right at the surface and jumps before I have a chance to feed him.
Same thing with the others. Once I enter the room, they all get into their position for feeding. The smallest and most timid of the bunch hang back, and the more dominant ones get right into the flow where the food blows by.
Now that big bully is not around, the second biggest one is chasing the other anthias (sunsets) and the smaller Odon.
I still think these are the pretty aggressive fish (that I have encountered) and they eat TONS for their size.
flameangel88
03/12/2008, 09:48 PM
sugartooth, thanks for the kind words.
I came home and all 3 were hanging out together and looks like Bully has settled down but Tiny hasn't join the group yet. I saw Tiny swimming in the back behind the rocks started eating and not leaning against the rock anymore.
I guess I've been lucky because my PBT normally chases every new comer and even drew blood on a small Watanabe but never bothered the Borbs and the Borbs are not bothering my smaller angels.
adamsky27
06/11/2009, 03:36 PM
Any of you guys have any updates? I know this is an old thread.
CableGuy
06/11/2009, 04:13 PM
Mine is still alive and doing very well in the reef tank. The only other fish he chases every once in a while is the Sunburst anthias.
Colby
Seafood Tank
06/11/2009, 04:24 PM
I have ordered 2 and arrived this weekend, it costs $110 each.
lionman
07/03/2009, 01:56 PM
Hi !
I have one for the past year and she is becoming pretty aggressive with other fish and especially new entrants.
Do yours show any kind of aggressive behaviour ?
closb841
02/01/2010, 06:22 PM
hey guys does anyone know where i can get one of these at a good price or is anyone selling theres let me know thanks
flameangel88
02/01/2010, 08:50 PM
hey guys does anyone know where i can get one of these at a good price or is anyone selling theres let me know thanks
Reefhotspot (RC Sponsor) is having a 50% off sale $149.99 (originally $299.99).
closb841
02/02/2010, 05:21 PM
Reefhotspot (RC Sponsor) is having a 50% off sale $149.99 (originally $299.99).
do we get a discount on the fish since we are part of the forum
flameangel88
02/02/2010, 09:11 PM
do we get a discount on the fish since we are part of the forum
I don't know if you can get anymore discount on it since the sale price is pretty good at the moment. If anything I should get a referral/finder fee from both end. :lol:
Seriously, that's a pretty good price from a very reputable company.
closb841
02/02/2010, 09:43 PM
I don't know if you can get anymore discount on it since the sale price is pretty good at the moment. If anything I should get a referral/finder fee from both end. :lol:
Seriously, that's a pretty good price from a very reputable company.
really cause the local fish store by me the guy said he can get it for about 100 to 120 bucks but he doesnt have any in stock right now what do you think should i wait till he can get one or should i just go for it thanks
d-man
02/02/2010, 09:44 PM
will the eat smaller fish?
flameangel88
02/02/2010, 10:06 PM
really cause the local fish store by me the guy said he can get it for about 100 to 120 bucks but he doesnt have any in stock right now what do you think should i wait till he can get one or should i just go for it thanks
Is $100-120 at the lfs a better value compared to $150 online or even another lfs? It depends--1) the quality of the fish from your lfs and 2) does it come with 14 days live guarantee? You may save $30-50 but it will cost you more if you have to replace it. Only you can tell which is better because I don't know anything about your lfs. One thing I've learned in this hobby is that "cheaper" is not always as apparent. When purchasing deepwater/sensitive fish it's imperative to buy with a 14 days live guarantee in my book.
Check out the vendor's experience forum as well as other RC Sponsor's forum and check feedbacks.
flameangel88
02/02/2010, 10:12 PM
will the eat smaller fish?
When their mouth is fully open it's pretty big and I think it can fit a tiny clown/yellow/green gobies. I've never seen them eat a small fish but I don't have one that small in my tanks. If the "smaller" fish is bigger than one of the gobies I just mentioned then I wouldn't worry about it.
closb841
02/03/2010, 07:20 AM
Is $100-120 at the lfs a better value compared to $150 online or even another lfs? It depends--1) the quality of the fish from your lfs and 2) does it come with 14 days live guarantee? You may save $30-50 but it will cost you more if you have to replace it. Only you can tell which is better because I don't know anything about your lfs. One thing I've learned in this hobby is that "cheaper" is not always as apparent. When purchasing deepwater/sensitive fish it's imperative to buy with a 14 days live guarantee in my book.
Check out the vendor's experience forum as well as other RC Sponsor's forum and check feedbacks.
thanks you so much for the help. i really have to seat down and think about this one tho the lfs offers a 7 day live guarantee but 14 sounds so much better thanks again for the help i appreciate it a lot
skibum9884
02/03/2010, 11:41 AM
Agreed. 14 is much better. 7 days is hardly worth anything. A fish could be on it's way out for a while longer than 7 days.
In my opinion, LA is the best. No questions asked, and when I had a Diver's Den fish get sick about 5-6 days after arrival, they extended the 14 day period to 3 weeks.
Amazon4
02/03/2010, 12:14 PM
In regard to "do they eat smaller fish", mine is in with a small yellow clown goby. So far no problems. Goby was there first. Added the borb in November (between 2-3")
Not to say when he gets bigger that any small fish is safe. :strange:
Also, my lfs just got 5 of them in today. Hasn't had them in for a year. (the one I got was one "left over" from *last* year at a far away lfs, lol) So I think they coming "in season" again.
closb841
02/03/2010, 01:09 PM
hey guys do you think it would be better to get one or two my lfs just ordered some and i have first dibs let me know what you think i have a 90 gallon reef tank with 2 clown fish a power brown tang, goby and a juv imperator angel
LobsterOfJustice
02/03/2010, 03:13 PM
Well that sale ended fast!
Amazon4
02/03/2010, 03:35 PM
FYI, Atlantis has them on sale for $150.
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