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flfireman1
02/20/2008, 03:21 PM
When a purple tang gets the white discoloration (lines) around the face does he ever get back his original color? Reason I ask, is because a friend of mine gave me a purple tang to place in my reef. He was keeping it in a tank with only sand and artificial coral. Im assuming this is a nutrition problem and was hoping that by placing him in my reef tank and feeding him properly he will return to a normal coloration??? I will upload pics of this fish later tonight so that you can see the discoloration Im speaking of.
Eric

derrikd
02/20/2008, 03:28 PM
did it have HELI(sp) or lateral line?

flfireman1
02/20/2008, 03:50 PM
After researching it a bit, it appears that he does have head and lateral line errosion? Is this attributed more to high nitrates or poor nutrition? Whats the best way to reverse this?

Reeftanks6
02/20/2008, 05:26 PM
Poor Nutrition. My Bule Hippo had this and i didnt act to fast about it and it got worse. I would feed nori soaked in garlic. Feed Vit A B & C. This will help and feed him every day. What are you running on your tank.

flfireman1
02/20/2008, 07:37 PM
what do you mean by running???

xtm
02/20/2008, 10:00 PM
Could be many factors which includes (but definitely not limited to) poor nutrition and poor water quality. I would start out by feeding him Nori, alternate with New Life Spectrum Thera A, then Mysis soaked in Selcon. The key is varied and healthy diet and he should regain his full coloration in no time.

marc price
02/20/2008, 11:58 PM
classic case of lateral line erosion. was a common problem with many different fish in the years before reefs. don't worry it'll completely reverse now that it's in your reeftank. i'm of the opinion something other than diet alone is missing from old school fish only tanks. much has been written over the years, bottom line is it's rare to find l.l. syndrome in reeftanks.
don't make yourself crazy with supplements, it'll heal if you do nothing other than include nori in it's diet. at this point live algae's (if you can get some which it'll eat), will speed thing up. it'll pick at stuff that it finds growing in your tank so again don't make yourself crazy finding a supply of fresh algae. before you know it you'll have a beautiful purple tang.
i can tell you from years of experience that 98% of the time with purple tangs, nori and algae feedings wouldn't have done it in your friends set-up.

Reeftanks6
02/21/2008, 05:59 AM
What are you running on your tank.

redhdmedic
02/21/2008, 10:42 AM
we picked up (more like rescued) a purple tang from a lfs here that was in terrblt shape...bad hlle and getting thin...nutrition was a part of the problem, but housing was just as bad...within 1 month of being in our 215 and proper diet with nori and selcon this baby has turned out to be one of the most beautiful in the tank (I have a strong attachment to my eporer...nothing can beat him out on beauty!!!) Godd luck with your tang and hopefully we'll be hearing that it's doing well soon!

jda
02/21/2008, 01:08 PM
They can get better, but they will never look 100%. They can look pretty darn good though.

I went with nori, mysis and spectrum pellets soaked in zoe, selcon and cod liver oil (vitamin A, I think) for my hippo. The pellets soak up the zoe, selcon and other additives better than meat or nori do. The vitamins and FAs do help - especially when they are showing signs of the disease. After you get them healed, then a nice diet of nori, spectrum pellets and mysis is probably enough without the vitamins and FAs.

flfireman1
02/21/2008, 06:12 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11904625#post11904625 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jda
They can get better, but they will never look 100%.
Actually thats the first time I read this, fot the most part I have read that fish usually heal to a point where you would never know they had it. Unless in severe cases, where there is scarring.
Anyhow thanks to everyone for the encouraging words. Here he is eating from a clip.
<img src="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh275/tr9736/IMG_1905.jpg">

<img src="http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh275/tr9736/IMG_1898.jpg">

redhdmedic
02/22/2008, 11:32 AM
Good Luck to you...our purple was in terrible shape when he first came home....ike I said, poor nutrition and being house in a 15g didn't help...he's happy as can be and you can't tell he was ever sickly...it's only been a few months also, so hopefully you'll see a good turn around there!

waxy
02/22/2008, 03:35 PM
Looks like he was stuck between a rock and a hard spot. Is it on both sides or just one side?

marc price
02/22/2008, 05:28 PM
waxy, lateral line syndrome is marked of a bilateral progression

eric, that will totally heal 100%.

flfireman1
02/22/2008, 09:46 PM
Yes, it is bilateral, he is eating like a horse now and just loves the green seaweed and nori that I put up for him. He also loves pellet food and picks at the live rocks from time to time. He hasnt really taken to frozens yet, but its more a matter of being shy whenever I come around the tank to feed.

Thanks again for the words of encouragement. I hope to post some before and after photos for everyone to see.
Thanks
Eric

waxy
02/23/2008, 01:46 AM
At least its eating healthy.

There was someone who was local to me whom had 2 Hippo tangs that had HDDE forgot what it was... something with the body rotting.

Both had it their whole lives but ate like a heard of buffalo's.

Is that contagious?

Reeftanks6
02/23/2008, 07:45 AM
Good thing he is eating. Keep on feeding. VIT A B C. Nori also

jmaneyapanda
02/23/2008, 11:15 AM
I happen to think that HLLE is far more environmental based rather than specifically diet based. I have seen more fish with HLLE that hail from the Red Sea that from other locales combined. And the Red Sea has a high salinity. So, these fish go to the LFS, and get put into water with a salinity of 1.021, and "somehow" they get HLLE. I think prolonged hyposalinity is a major cause of this ailment, particularly in Red Sea fish.

But, as explained, there is no definitve cause or proff of HLLE, so just provide good diet, clean stable water, and things should improve.

marc price
02/23/2008, 03:46 PM
Quotations Originally posted by jmaneyapanda

"I happen to think that HLLE is far more environmental based rather than specifically diet based."
-TRUE. as has been proven with the advent of reef aquaria. the syndrome doesn't exist in the wild.-

"I have seen more fish with HLLE that hail from the Red Sea that from other locales combined. And the Red Sea has a high salinity. So, these fish go to the LFS, and get put into water with a salinity of 1.021, and "somehow" they get HLLE. I think prolonged hyposalinity is a major cause of this ailment, particularly in Red Sea fish."
-FALSE. if you want to argue that point make a list of those species from the red sea which you've seen afflicted. i'll gladly add to it with those i've seen from other oceans including the red sea over the course of 28 years keeping salts. the syndrome has been around far longer than hypo has been in vogue.-

"But, as explained, there is no definitve cause or proff of HLLE,"
-TRUE-

"so just provide good diet, clean stable water, and things should improve."
-TRUE to an extent, refer to first statement.-

jmaneyapanda
02/23/2008, 09:37 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11922718#post11922718 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marc price


"I have seen more fish with HLLE that hail from the Red Sea that from other locales combined. And the Red Sea has a high salinity. So, these fish go to the LFS, and get put into water with a salinity of 1.021, and "somehow" they get HLLE. I think prolonged hyposalinity is a major cause of this ailment, particularly in Red Sea fish."
-FALSE. if you want to argue that point make a list of those species from the red sea which you've seen afflicted. i'll gladly add to it with those i've seen from other oceans including the red sea over the course of 28 years keeping salts. the syndrome has been around far longer than hypo has been in vogue.-


Haha. You're telling me my observation is false? I guess you can see what I see.

Anyway, I have seen HUNDREDS of purple tangs and desjardini tangs with HLLE, but never a yellow. True, fish fom other locales get HLLE also, but why have I SPECIFICALLY seen it so prevalently in these red sea fish? I LFS near me used to maintain their fish holding at 1.009 to "prevent disease". Nearly 1/3 of their zebrasomas, or pomacanthus angels would develop sever HLLE, and this is what first led me to think this. Why did this store have it so bad, while other store (who surely have the same suppliers) did not? To me, this could not have been dietary, but instead environmental, and this was a big environmental differentiation. Sure, it is all anecdotal, but this is why I clearly state that this was my theory.
Do you have any evidence or proof that my Theory is "FALSE" as you have stated?

JNye
02/23/2008, 10:30 PM
its is harder to tell on yellows in my opinion, I have seen it plenty but their color hides it well.

jmaneyapanda
02/23/2008, 10:46 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11925537#post11925537 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poo-tang
its is harder to tell on yellows in my opinion, I have seen it plenty but their color hides it well.

Ok, I am not saying that only certain fish get it, and I am not saying that yellow tangs dont get it. I am just saying I have never seen one with it (nor a picture, nor an account aside from the previous thread). Here is my point- In the genera of fish I have seen it most frequently in, there is a striking correlation to the fact that they wre housed in a hyposaline environmnet, and a good protion of them originated from a known hyperlaine environment.

poo-tang- yBeing you have seen plenty, ou dont happen to have pics, or a link to a yellow with HLLE, do you?

flfireman1
03/16/2008, 05:12 PM
Just wanted to update everyone, in the short time Ive had this fish how well he has healed from lateral line and head errosion.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh275/tr9736/IMG_1927.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh275/tr9736/IMG_1924.jpg

marc price
03/17/2008, 12:16 AM
that's great it's looking much better, viva la reef aquaria!

derrikd
03/17/2008, 08:31 AM
wow, so much better! glad to see that you got him back.