Another GOOD Reason to do Water changes

[hypernesia]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080226164521.htm
Check this article out, although no specific amounts of Boron are indicated, it is obviously essential to the welfare of our tanks. The borate ions are what are important but it seems the salt companies and AWT measure for Boron. Another good reason to do routine water changes

[BIOCUBE UNIT]

I stopped using this product from seachem called Marine buffer b/c it had borate in it. The product claimed that you can raise and maintain pH at 8.3 to 8.4 and maintain Alk at the same time, without the danger of overdosing. But, yeah I stopped using it.

[rbursek]

SeaChem REEF buffer is the one to use not MARINE buffer,

[bertoni]

That's an interesting article. I didn't know that plants required boron, and I hadn't heard that boron affected bone development.

[hypernesia]

What I found interesting was the fish and amphibian development

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

FWIW, boron does not generally get depleted much. For example, studies such as Ron's:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-02/rs/feature/index.php

but I agree that water changes are a good idea for these sorts of reasons, many of which we cannot understand for every organism that we keep. :)

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The borate ions are what are important but it seems the salt companies and AWT measure for Boron.

All boron present in seawater is present as a mixture of boric acid and borate. They just choose to report it in units of total boron, which makes sense. :)

I discuss it in these articles:

Boron in a Reef Tank (and its effect on pH buffering)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2002/chem.htm

The Seachem Borate Alkalinity Test Kit
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/june2003/chem.htm

The Salifert Boron Test Kit
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/sept2003/chem.htm

[BIOCUBE UNIT]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12009367#post12009367 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rbursek
SeaChem REEF buffer is the one to use not MARINE buffer,

Thanks!

[Nickde123]

I thought that having borate in our systems were bad. Wasnt hat the reason why alot of people complained when seachems reef salt came out and found out they used that to keep PH up and give false readings on Alk ?

[bertoni]

The levels that are required for a healthy tank are a lot lower than the level in the SeaChem fish-only salt. I don't know what the level is in their reef salt, but I thought it was still a lot higher than the canonical average ocean water.

[rbursek]

I respect you both and you are both gentlemen. but I would like to see Randy and Bertoni go head to head on a subject! That would be a Thread!

[bertoni]

Maybe we can arm-wrestle for an analytic scale... Of course, we might collude...

[Megalodon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12011407#post12011407 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rbursek
I respect you both and you are both gentlemen. but I would like to see Randy and Bertoni go head to head on a subject! That would be a Thread! You should have seen when Randy and Dr. Ron went at it over DSBs. I should have made popcorn.

[Billybeau1]

Wow, rb "moved on"

What did I miss. :confused:

[Billybeau1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12011834#post12011834 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Megalodon
You should have seen when Randy and Dr. Ron went at it over DSBs. I should have made popcorn.

Or when Randy took on Seachem. That was a classic. :D I did make popcorn for that one. :lol:

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

:lol:

While Jonathan and I have some different things that we each know about, I don't recall ever having a significant disagreement with him about anything. We're just part of the chemistry team that also has a variety of other members in this forum. True disagreements are pretty rare in this forum. :)

[Megalodon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12014008#post12014008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
Or when Randy took on Seachem. That was a classic. :D I did make popcorn for that one. :lol: Link?

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Not sure which one he means, but probably the borate alkalinity test kit fray. A Seachem employee basically thought he could overwhelm me with big words. :D

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=756622

Others included the aluminum release from Phosguard, the ionic balance in their magnesium product, and the alkalinity in their polygluconate calcium. The one above was the most "dramatic". :D

[hypernesia]

I'm excited where this thread went.. lots of new articles to read!

[YankyTexan]

Re: Randy vs. SeaChem

Just goes to show ... the more initials (Ph.D. CEO) that appear after someones' name the less I listen/believe what they have to say.

[m2434]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12014308#post12014308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
True disagreements are pretty rare in this forum. :)

I disagree :D

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12021540#post12021540 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by m2434
I disagree :D I Truly disagree :D

[bertoni]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12022979#post12022979 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 0 Agios
I Truly disagree :D
I truly disagree with your disagreeing.

[Billybeau1]

And I agree with Bertoni disagreeing that you disagree. :D

[hypernesia]

So we're all in agreement then!

[bdare]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12016876#post12016876 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
Not sure which one he means, but probably the borate alkalinity test kit fray. A Seachem employee basically thought he could overwhelm me with big words. :D

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=756622

Others included the aluminum release from Phosguard, the ionic balance in their magnesium product, and the alkalinity in their polygluconate calcium. The one above was the most "dramatic". :D

It was funny... I emailed Seachem and asked them if they had resolved their high borate issues. The response I recieved pointed me to some long article they had produced. I returned with the article by Randy in Reefkeeping.

The Seachem staff replied with, "Yeah... I was afraid you had been reading that article"