main pump gph?

[genzod66]

i have a 950 gph pump in the sump for the main pump,is this good?not counting power heads in display?

[demonsp]

The return pump is for the sump and if the rate is to high then it takes away from its purpose. A flow rate atleast 100 gallons per hour. The return may help but does little for water movement.
What power heads do you have and do you have a wave maker?

[genzod66]

2 tunze 6000 streams and 7095 controller,so i think im good on water movement?sound good,and main pump is super mag 9.5?sound ok?

[demonsp]

SO the tunze are on the controller and the other flow source is the return pump?

[papagimp]

I've got 2 x 75g sumped together and running a mag 9.5 return pump....while I like having the mag return pump, I do NOT like the effectiveness of my refugium/sump since adding this larger pump. Any other refugium I've ever ran was on a mag 3 or similar gph pump and always worked great for me. I'll probably be getting another couple powerheads in the future and a smaller return.

Demonsp made a good point, if the flow through the sump is too much, your going to be returning dirty/unfiltered/unskimmed water back to the surface, where it'll have plenty of time to help fuel algae and other issues before making it's way back to the sump again.

[genzod66]

yes,the other is return pump in the sump

[demonsp]

Wave makers do nothing for water flow in the tank and are for looks only.They are finw but you need other powerheads to move the water correctly.

[papagimp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12009754#post12009754 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
Wave makers do nothing for water flow in the tank and are for looks only.They are finw but you need other powerheads to move the water correctly.

looks only? The flow from a wavemaker is far more natural to a coral than just a powerhead. It'll help alot, but their not for every system and not all wavemakers are created equal by any means.

[demonsp]

In a coral only tank and in the right hands it may perform but its a device that newbs shouldnt use upfront.
If you never learn and understand the basics of your system then you will never really have the understanding you want and get stuck in the cycle of buying un needed equipment to solve a problem you dont understand.

[genzod66]

more powerheads are you crazy,i have them turned down,that is an incredible set up as far as power heads are concerned,these are incredible pumps,demon sp,everytime i ask a simple question you chime in and always say it is wrong,now tunze streams are not enough,your the same guy that told me my sandbed was incorrect,and its not,and you always are putting people down,saying thet are newbies,ill put my tank pics up with yours anyday,im usually very nice,but your advice is ridiculous

[genzod66]

oh and it is a powerhead,its a tunze stream pump,not a wave box,and it is 1800 gph rated,looks only huh,i have 2 and u suggested more,people only run 4 on 500 galloon sps tanks?

[genzod66]

i posted my set up on here and people were raving about it,lets see your amazing tank,dude you are sooo insultive!!!

[demonsp]

Wow. Im only saying if your main water flow source is from powerheads hooked to a wave maker your lacking flow.
If you are ,which im not 100 % sure off,lacking flow then its effects could take awile to show , months or yrs and by then flow is the last thing you think of.
Now if you have proper flow ( not achieved from wavemakes) then im sure your fine

[genzod66]

tunze has a message board on this site,go in there and tell them that tunze streams are just for show,and that 2 6000's isnt enough flow for a 125,see what they say,you will get slammed hard!

[demonsp]

I missed a word in your repley.The word "and". So you have the controller plus 2 tunze powerheads plus the return. Then you mayhave to much and reducing was a good idea.
Also im not much on "putting people down " or " giving newbies a hard time. I only want to help , the best part about RC is the varied respones you get sometimes and its what you do with the info that really counts.
Theres no one way to run any SW aqurium , theres many varibles then play and many like me give you advice from our own experiance.

[genzod66]

ok thats fine,ive just done alot of research and dont even come close to thinking im a newbie,ive got 3 tanks all doing great,i post on a few boards just to get assorted ideas,not cause im a newb,no hard feelings.

[rbursek]

genzod,
here is what I have, aprox 900gph return, I have 4 vertically pvc tubes with speraticly placed holes 1/8 diam running down the back of my tank, also "T" of of the return suppling them is a horizontal hoop just below the water surface of pvc piping with 1/16 diam holes. Like a spray bar. Then some PH for water movement and directional flow in the tank. Demonsp sez to you your return does nothing, my return set up the 4 vertical pipes circulate water behind my rock, the horizontal hoop breaks the surface tention and moves water on the surface area. PH move and circulate water in the tank and flow is for the directional needs more/less of what corals need.

[demonsp]

Heres an LPS that was half dead whene i got it with 2 small heads about 14 months ago. Its been fragged once and im about to do again as this pic is a little over a month old and even bigger.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r133/demonsperm/DSC01628.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r133/demonsperm/DSC01239.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r133/demonsperm/DSC01238.jpg

[genzod66]

dude go on my profile,take a look at my pics,ive done alot of frags of sps,lps, softies,i think you will like my 125 and nano.

[genzod66]

some zoos and a hammer?? yeah wow nice????

[genzod66]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480mini-DSC01010.JPG

[rbursek]

demomsp,
thats how mine look too, my gallaxie is really taking over, can it be seperated/fraged? Fraged my bubble tip and hammer by just breaking them in half.

[genzod66]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480DSC01011.JPG http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480DSC01137.JPG http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480DSC01125.JPG

[genzod66]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480DSC01121.JPG http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/165480DSC01119.JPG

[demonsp]

Nice plate coral ,not.I would delete that pic. Its deing.I feed mine raw shrimp.

[genzod66]

yeah like ur hammer that pic is 3 months old,and guess what not dead,its all puffy and doing great,dude your tank is junk,do me a favor dont comment when i ask a question,i see you like to comment often,i dont want your opinions or advice,you were totally wrong today,and you know it!!!

[demonsp]

LOL.You said you wanted to compare.The hammer pic is a little old but if you want ill take one tommorrow as it is only larger.

Either way it doesnt matter. I only want to help and you want help. From your pics i think you could use some.

[genzod66]

oh and that was my last response to you,i have better things to do,just dont like the way you "help people"

[demonsp]

Sorry i really mean that your in full control and need no help here.I wish my tank looked like yours. :) :) :)

[genzod66]

i cant help it,you think your tank looks good??i put my tank pics up a few weeks ago,and everyone was raving,i have a better hammer and i dont even show it,my tank is of a high caliber,i dont need your help,from your comments recently you have no clue,i was kidding about putting your tank pics up,their is no contest,you have lousy powerheads,dirty tank,equipment showing in the dispay,newbie corals,ect ect

[demonsp]

LOL i got another repley. Calm down. Your pic tells me alot and also leaves many questions. It could be but if you need further help dont let this stop you from coming in here. I dont look at names and just repley and if i do then just ignore .Im sorry to upset you like i said i only want to help and my tank is far from perfect.GL Anyway...

[genzod66]

look i hate to argue,im sorry for saying negative stuff,i just got angry,good luck to you as well.

[demonsp]

:) No problem..

[genzod66]

cool man, were fellow reefers,were both into it ,thats whats important!

[demonsp]

I tend to get a little crazy after 16 beers and should stop repleying at about 12. I think this all started from a missed word and another falt from the amount.

Not wanting to start another 20 repleys but you mentioned your SB. Im very curious as i am only human. You say i was wrong and i may have been and would like to be corrected.Could you help?

[genzod66]

no i meant at me needing more flow,as for the sb, you were saying i needed a deeper one,your bed in the pic is pretty close to what i have, i have like 1 to 2 inches,i think your at 3 to 4,just a different school of thought,you know how that is,lol

[MCary]

I don't like using my return pump for flow. I acheive that with tunze's and a closed loop. So my preference for my sump return is for it to return enough so that overflow water gets fully skimmed. Does that make sense? If I have 750 gph going through my skimmer, then that is the minimum I want going through my sump. Then a little added for reactors and refuge. You also need enough to warm or cool the main tank if you have a heater or chiller in the sump.

Mike

[genzod66]

yes mcary, i also use tunzes for flow,i have a return pump in sump for filtration too.

[demonsp]

1 inch to low.2 to 3 best. The deeper you go the more flow would be needed to maintan it. I always say its about about balance. Balance from CUC, equipment ,maintance,LR and LS and stock.
If your LR is low in amount and stock low then lower flow would be fine but as you add LR and stock or SB then more flow would be needed to balance it out.Its all relivent.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12013743#post12013743 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by genzod66
no i meant at me needing more flow,as for the sb, you were saying i needed a deeper one,your bed in the pic is pretty close to what i have, i have like 1 to 2 inches,i think your at 3 to 4,just a different school of thought,you know how that is,lol

[demonsp]

Your return does help some with water flow but dont use it as a flow measurment. You want a lower flow in the fuge for better water cleaning effects.If flow is to high from the return then your fuge suffers. The amount of flow coming from the return should not be a factor in main tank flow or water movement.There maybe ways to do it but they would be for the more experianced.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12013750#post12013750 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MCary
I don't like using my return pump for flow. I acheive that with tunze's and a closed loop. So my preference for my sump return is for it to return enough so that overflow water gets fully skimmed. Does that make sense? If I have 750 gph going through my skimmer, then that is the minimum I want going through my sump. Then a little added for reactors and refuge. You also need enough to warm or cool the main tank if you have a heater or chiller in the sump.

Mike