Bubble King Skimmer Club

[JohnL]

This thread was automatically split due to performance issues. You can find the rest of the thread here: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12479860#post12479860

[tbone28]

Mark - food for thought - I have a 180g, 220g total water volume :)

Why do you like the SM over the Deluxe? I'd still go deluxe over SM if I had the room

[tbone28]

haha, I split my own thread :D

Jeremy - what's that blue tube coming out of the air silencer for?

[jtarmitage]

I like the SM 250 as it runs 2000lph of air, vs. 1500 for the D 250. That a big difference on a skimmer that costs more.

The blue tube is my ozone feed. I hooked it up when I picked up a couple of tangs and ended up with ich.

[cbui2]

congrats on the split tbone. maybe some new nog shots from all BK owners to set the mood :D

[jtarmitage]

T, you notice my avatar is even better now! Same pic, just higher res. Had to make her look as good as I could!:D

[tbone28]

Good Point, Jeremy. You need to get up to a D300 to get the same pump. Although the amount of air isn't the sole factor in skimmer performance. i still like the Deluxe line cuz they're taller, allowing for more contact time.

Damn that avatar of yours! :p

[tbone28]

woah, we're on the same page! :lmao:

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12479895#post12479895 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
Good Point, Jeremy. You need to get up to a D300 to get the same pump. Although the amount of air isn't the sole factor in skimmer performance. i still like the Deluxe line cuz they're taller, allowing for more contact time.

Damn that avatar of yours! :p

Even the D 300 is only good for 1500lph, and it's only 10cm taller.

[jtarmitage]

cbui, since my last nog shot ended up on the last page before the split, I'll go ahead and repost:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089BK_nog_RC.jpg

[cbui2]

any more :D

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12479895#post12479895 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
Damn that avatar of yours! :p

Here are 2 others that are being saved for a later date.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089Jessica_Alba_RC.jpg http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089Jessica_simpson_RC.jpg

[cbui2]

yeah JA is definitely on my top ten list :D

[german_reef]

I wanna show you my beauty.... SM250 proto

http://www.maeckeli.de/bilder/tmp/two_days_after_cleaning.jpg

[bchbum189]

ok the combination of sludge and hot chicks is just way to confusing for me to take in all on the same page!

To much AHHHH.....>>EWWWW>>>AHHHHH

[Canarygirl]

I have a Deluxe 250 Int on order but I keep reading this thread (and the sizing recommendations for other people) and second-guessing that I've ordered the right size for my system.

240 mixed reef display leaning towards heavy stocking
+40g frag tank
+50g QT
+50g sump

So that's 380-ish total gallons in the system. Is that too much for a 250 Deluxe Int.? It's rated up to ~400g, and I'm told that BK's "like to work hard," and Ed Lum of KM Int'l Assoc. recommended this size.

What do y'all think? I'm not a proponent of over-skimming FWIW, I want the skimmer size to be "just right."

help?

[tbone28]

Jeremy - I think the original D300s had a RD1500 pump. The current ones come with the RD2000

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RE-D300-IN&Category_Code=bubbleking

Here are my latest nog shots - I'm back to skimming dry - 1 day's worth here - Check out my foam! :rollface:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3369.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3370.jpg

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12481388#post12481388 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Canarygirl
I have a Deluxe 250 Int on order but I keep reading this thread (and the sizing recommendations for other people) and second-guessing that I've ordered the right size for my system.

240 mixed reef display leaning towards heavy stocking
+40g frag tank
+50g QT
+50g sump

So that's 380-ish total gallons in the system. Is that too much for a 250 Deluxe Int.? It's rated up to ~400g, and I'm told that BK's "like to work hard," and Ed Lum of**Int'l Assoc. recommended this size.

What do y'all think? I'm not a proponent of over-skimming FWIW, I want the skimmer size to be "just right."

help?

A 300 might have been a better fit for you, but since you're not into over-skimming, I think you could get a way with a 250. Might be pushing it, though - JMO - I'm running an SM250 on my 220g total volume, and the SM is rated to 800g. I don't think I'm overskimming

[Canarygirl]

A 300 might have been a better fit for you, but since you're not into over-skimming, I think you could get a way with a 250. Might be pushing it, though - JMO - I'm running an SM250 on my 220g total volume, and the SM is rated to 800g. I don't think I'm overskimming

Do you think that the SM250 would be a better fit capacity wise on my system than the Deluxe 250? Or would the lower dwell-time negate the bigger pump, etc.? I have lots of room so the height of the skimmer is not an issue, but cost is...

[tbone28]

I think you hit it. IMO, the bigger pump on the SM compensates for the shorter height of the skimmer. Personally, if I had the space, I'd go with a Deluxe because I like the taller chamber.

I also like the Deluxe series because we all know that, long-term, they skim well. While my SM is skimming like a champ, no one knows how it will skim in the long run.

With that said, if you are going to compare D250 to SM250, I think the SM250 would be able to handle a bigger bioload. If D300 vs. SM250, I'd go D300.

Please take my opinions with a grain of salt. I'm not a skimmer expert in any way. These are just my personal preferences :)

[Canarygirl]

yep, I get you. Thanks T-bone...

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12479909#post12479909 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtarmitage
Here are 2 others that are being saved for a later date.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089Jessica_Alba_RC.jpg http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089Jessica_simpson_RC.jpg

Not as popular as JA or JS...

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/KK.jpg

[jtarmitage]

Very nice. Argueably one of the most beautiful women on the planet.:D

T, the Deluxe does have 10cm on the SM, but the pump input is also higher. The SM input is way down near the bottom of the chamber, increasing it's dwell time. I'd say they're pretty comparable, but the SM has a bigger pump for less $, but what do I know.:D

[tbone28]

Good observation, Jeremy. I've never paid that close attention to where the pump input is. As is pretty obvious by my posts, I'm very happy with the results of my SM :D. I still think the D will give greater contact time because it doesn't have the interior cone/extension. I have to admit, though, that the RD2000 was very attractive to me when I bought the SM :)

I'm curious how the SM would perform if that cone were removed. Can you imagine that whole skimmer body filled with bubbles? :)
I'm not about to chop up my skimmer though! :p It's gonna have to be someone else. :lol:

Regarding Kristen Kreuk, I do think she's beautiful. My wife pointed her out to me one day and said she thought KK was pretty. Don't you love it when your wife can appreciate beauty? :p Needless to say, I've been a Smallville fan ever since - in high definition, none the less :lmao:

[Canarygirl]

Is the SM250 more vulnerable to performance variations caused by changes in sump water level (compared to the Deluxe models)?

[tbone28]

Canary - I'd say yes because the SM's drain is submerged. You'll need an ATO. The Deluxes drain can be angled above the water level. Because it's internal, water fluctation still plays a role, but not as big of a role.

My previous ER RS250 had the angled drain. When I turned my return pump off, and my sump filled with water, my skimmer never overflowed. Kept skimming. Drawback was the water splashing into the sump. Had to tie a filter sock around it - ie. another sock to clean!

I like my current SM cuz the drain's submerged and silent! Since I have a constant water level, my performance is consistent. I always unplug my skimmer before I turn off my return pump. I don't want it to overflow. I haven't tried it yet, but don't want to try it if I can help it. I'm sure I'll forget to unplug my skimmer one day, and I'll see then if it overflows.

[jtarmitage]

T, or anyone else, what are the dimensions of the SM 250?

[Waxxiemann]

You can find them on page 17 before the split. =)

[Waxxiemann]

Pump mounted on front side :18.9" x 14.2"
Pump mounted on left side: 19.7" x 11.8"

Waxx

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12488522#post12488522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Waxxiemann
You can find them on page 17 before the split. =)

:lol: I knew they were on this thread, but finding them would've been too much work. Thanks Waxxiemann.

[Creetin]

Anybody ever put a air meter to thier SM???

[john37]

so i'm still on the fence between the sm250 and the ext300 deluxe. Driving me crazy. or should i just go cheap and get a deltec? haha

[Creetin]

300 deluxe vote here. You can supersize to the dc pump later down the road. ;) Cant do that with the 250 Sm from what klaus said in a prior thread.

Unless you wait for the 300 sm.

[john37]

when is the 300sm due

[Canarygirl]

300 deluxe vote here. You can supersize to the dc pump later down the road.

what is the 'dc pump'? I thought that the 300 Deluxe and the SM250 were using the same pump. :confused:

[tbone28]

300sm is due after interzoo, which is this or next month.

dc pump is the new RD2 pump. It's an adjustable pump with hastelloy (spelling?) meshwheel.

The RD2 pump on the SM300 is supposed to pull up to 3000 lph

[john37]

hmmmm....really?! is it better to just wait for the 300sm? what the price going to be on that? tbone, do you know the dims or a link for the sm300?

[ksed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12493353#post12493353 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
300sm is due after interzoo, which is this or next month.

dc pump is the new RD2 pump. It's an adjustable pump with hastelloy (spelling?) meshwheel.

The RD2 pump on the SM300 is supposed to pull up to 3000 lph

On the proline forum Klaus replied that the new pin wheel performs better than the meshwheel ,so I don't know if he will use the meshwheel any longer.

[tbone28]

I don't know pricing or dimensions.

[john37]

does the sm250 use mesh?

[tbone28]

no. I don't think any RD pumps use mesh right now.

[yifan917]

Hello BK owners! I really want to join the club but still deciding between SM 200 internal and deluxe 200 internal...
My tank is still being made and it's a 180 SPS tank.
I was with ER for the past 6 years and want to try something new now! cheers!

[tbone28]

GL with your decision. I also came off an ER!

[yifan917]

WOW mr. Tbone, thanks for the reply... I think I forgot to ask: what's the main differences between SM200 internal and deluxe200 internal?

[tbone28]

The main differences are in design and pump.

SM - double conical design, shorter, bigger pump (RD1500 on SM200, RD1000 on Deluxe 200). Both are silent.

I run the SM250 on my 180g. What are you stocking plans?

[kdblove_99]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12487909#post12487909 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtarmitage
T, or anyone else, what are the dimensions of the SM 250?


You getting a BK for the 250 gallon?

[yifan917]

So Deluxe actually has a smaller pump compares to SM? Then how come it's 200 bucks more? hmm... I've read some of the previous posts but not all, and I think the pricing has somthing to do with better/easier adjustments? Correct me if i am wrong...
I will not keep a lot of fish, maybe just a pair of percs and a few small tangs, that's all. SPS will be the main stocking in this 180 (48x36x24) tank.

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495463#post12495463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
You getting a BK for the 250 gallon?

Not sure yet. I'll be running close to 400g, which is at the top of the D 200's range. I would like to upgrade, but gonna need to sell the 200 first to swing it.
I just need to plan things out a bit before I start setting everything up next month, and make sure whatever sump I end up using will be large enough for whichever I decide. The SM 250 is high on my short list though.:D

[kdblove_99]

Any others you care to mention? Is the 250 staying in the garage or did you get the permission slip to bring it inside?:D


I thought you sold your other BK to Kenny?

[german_reef]

HI,

the digital RD2 comes in two models, DC/brushless motor, with a controller (or a Royal-Ocean-Simulator with the ability of managing up to 8 RD2s):

1)0-16,000 l/h-max. 220W-up to 7 meters.
2)0-20,000 l/h-max. 300W-up to 8 meters.

you can find more details about the RD2 and it's controllers
@ http://www.royal-exclusiv.de/PresentationROS.pdf

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495487#post12495487 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
Any others you care to mention? Is the 250 staying in the garage or did you get the permission slip to bring it inside?:D


I thought you sold your other BK to Kenny?

No, the sump, frag tank, and all the equipment is staying in the garage, but that's my decision.:D

I sold my Mini 160 that was on my old tank to Kenny.

As for other skimmers, I think I've pretty well got it narrowed down to either BK or ATB. The ATB medium with the Airstar is intriguing. As for BK, if the SM 250 was taller, it'd be the winner. As of now, I'm looking at the SM 250, D 250, and D 300. The mention of an SM 300 has my attention though. Just need to see the specs and price.

[kdblove_99]

They have digital pumps? Holy cow. Never heard of that but sounds darn cool:) oh and pricey

[jtarmitage]

Sorry Davey, I misread your question. Yes, the tank will be coming in, but my wife has put me on a 1 month hiatus from the tank project. Too much alone time between me and the tank lately.:D

[tbone28]

Kev - the Deluxe has more ways to adjust, and is supposed to be able to skim drier.

[kdblove_99]

BK and ATB both seem like great skimmers.

[german_reef]

I would say that the difference is as follows:

the SM has more air intake due to the bigger pump. The adjustments are more simple and they are for internal use only. The DE is available for an internal or an external use, it has clearly more adjustment possibilities and the "out water" can run over i.e. coal to be filtered. This is not possible with the SM, because of the deep sitting underwater discharge. Furthermore the SM is also at present the quietest skimmer in the program, because the air intake hose, sits underwater.

just my 0.02 Euro cents

[tbone28]

Your 2 euro cents mean a lot more in the US now-a-days :D That's a great write up, German Reef

[kdblove_99]

You made the SM sounds real nice:)

Al that and the SM is less expensive, right?

[german_reef]

and every 6-8 weeks I will fight against your recession and shop like crazy while I am there ;)

[tbone28]

LOL, just don't buy any German skimmers while you're over here. Prices go up every week :lol:

[german_reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495519#post12495519 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
You made the SM sounds real nice:)

Al that and the SM is less expensive, right?

yep! and I love my SM250!

[jtarmitage]

Has anyone seen any of the specs for the SM 300? Curious if I should hold out awhile.

[kdblove_99]

Jeremy is there even a Date of when they will be released? I couldnt find anything on the net about one.

[german_reef]

nope- nothing

but he just (Klaus Jansen Owner of RE) said that he will announce some new products at the Interzoo (22.-25.5.2008)

I dropped him a note asking if there is something coming along.... stay tuned...

[german_reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495543#post12495543 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
Jeremy is there even a Date of when they will be released? I couldnt find anything on the net about one.

nope- nothing in any German forums

but he just (Klaus Jansen Owner of RE) said that he will announce some new products at the Interzoo (22.-25.5.2008)

I dropped him a note asking if there is something coming along.... stay tuned...

[yifan917]

Wow.... a digital pump with controller? Are they only selling this in Germany?

[german_reef]

no. I would assume that it should be available soon in the US. It's on http://www.prolineaquatics.com/ entry page so at least they should know details about...

sorry I just recognized that you are in Taiwan. May be there are reseller in APAC as well.... but don't know

[crab0000]

Would the Mini 160 be a good fit for a 65 with a 20L sump? I would guess I have around 50 gallons of actual water volume.

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12496305#post12496305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crab0000
Would the Mini 160 be a good fit for a 65 with a 20L sump? I would guess I have around 50 gallons of actual water volume.

I ran a Mini 160 on a 60g with a 20g sump. I felt is was a bit oversized for my tank, until I actually started feeding my fish! I was finally able to feed them well without the nutrient levels building up.
Only issue I had, was mine seemed to resist dry skimming. Pulled out a ton, but usually on the wet side. HTH.

[crab0000]

Thanks for the info. I want to increase my fish load in this tank compared to all the ones I've had in the past, so it sounds like it may work well for my application.

[jtarmitage]

Yeah, I only had 4 small fish in the tank. There just wasn't much to remove, so I had to/got to feed more. I was going to add more fish, but upgraded the tank instead.:D

[nikecivic]

I have a 125g tank and a 35g sump. Do you have any recommedations for a BK protein skimmer. I was thinking of the BK mini 180. Any suggestions?

[german_reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12495531#post12495531 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtarmitage
Has anyone seen any of the specs for the SM 300? Curious if I should hold out awhile.

no comment from RE officials to SM300 and further products until Interzoo!

[yifan917]

german_reef and tbone, thanks so much for your help, I think I have a better understanding about the DE and SM now.
german_reef, I travel to North America all the time, so it should be no problem for me to bring some souvenirs back to Taiwan with me :)

[crab0000]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12496752#post12496752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtarmitage
I was going to add more fish, but upgraded the tank instead.:D
I tried that but it was shut down from the wife.:D

[abark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12497036#post12497036 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nikecivic
I have a 125g tank and a 35g sump. Do you have any recommedations for a BK protein skimmer. I was thinking of the BK mini 180. Any suggestions?

I run a mini 180 on a 120 gal BB SPS tank with a 40 gallon sump and it handles my tank easily. The mini 180 should have no problem with that water volume.

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12497505#post12497505 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crab0000
I tried that but it was shut down from the wife.:D

:lol: My wife new she didn't really have a choice. When we moved in '03, we sold our 120 and kept a 60 for a few items, with the complete understanding that when things settled down, I'd get to upgrade again. I think I was patient enough.:D

[hogall]

Okay, I am finally getting my BK 480. The first part will be here tomorrow :D Yez...

Still waiting for Scott to see if BK can drop ship the 2nd part to me. Kinda silly, to have the BK send to the NC and then from NC to CA :confused:

Before you guys jump on me. Here is what a BK 480 is

BK180 mini + BK300 D (internal) = BK 480

Going to be tough explaining this purchase to my CFO :lol:


Dennis

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12498765#post12498765 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hogall
Okay, I am finally getting my BK 480. The first part will be here tomorrow :D Yez...

Still waiting for Scott to see if BK can drop ship the 2nd part to me. Kinda silly, to have the BK send to the NC and then from NC to CA :confused:

Before you guys jump on me. Here is what a BK 480 is

BK180 mini + BK300 D (internal) = BK 480

Going to be tough explaining this purchase to my CFO :lol:


Dennis

:lol: I was reading and thinking "What the #&!! is a 480?" Glad you cleared that up. Good luck with the 'CFO'.:D

[hogall]

BK 480 sounds better thot :lol:

Dennis

[reeffer1]

So I just joined your great BK club!!! I just got a 300 Deluxe external. Now I can not figure out a way to hook up the outflow from metric to english!!!

For those of you with the external skimmers how did you do it?

I am about to loose my mind trying to figure this out!!!

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks

[moondoggy4]

What is Sm 250? pictures please for the ER in us. Thanks in advance

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12502518#post12502518 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moondoggy4
What is Sm 250? pictures please for the ER in us. Thanks in advance

SM 250 is the Super Marine 250, which is what Tbone has. Lots of pictures on this thread of that skimmer, including the first page. HTH.

[moondoggy4]

thanks I guess that would be overkill for my tank I guess a mini 160 or mini 180 would be fine my Euro cs5/3 is maxed out it was fine on my 55 gallon but not my 120 with a 20 gallon sump

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12501861#post12501861 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reeffer1
So I just joined your great BK club!!! I just got a 300 Deluxe external. Now I can not figure out a way to hook up the outflow from metric to english!!!

For those of you with the external skimmers how did you do it?

I am about to loose my mind trying to figure this out!!!

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks

Is this what you need?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1325692

[Maximus]

Terry, are you going to the BACFM this Sun?

[tbone28]

Gonna see mom this sunday :) besides, no one wants to buy my infested coral :p

[mpoletti]

I keep debating back and forth. I know myself pretty well; I guess its only a matter of time ;)

Hypothetical, I will have to run an internal and my slimmer area in my sump is 17X18 minus a little for my reactors. What should I be looking at?

[Maximus]

Don't do it Mark. Stay away from the Kool-Aid!

[mpoletti]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503411#post12503411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus
Don't do it Mark. Stay away from the Kool-Aid!

I'd rather have the Kool-aid than an ice cream cone :p

I'm just letting them sell me on a 250 deluxe internal; who knows?

[tbone28]

Mark, just do it. You know Sang wants to put an H&S back in his sump! You already have a buyer lined up :D

[Maximus]

No way! ATB for life!:)

[jtarmitage]

Well Mark, if you're interested in the Deluxe 200 Internal, I will be upgrading before too long!:D

[jtarmitage]

And while I'm at it, here's a 2 day nog shot. Got things set just right.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089BK_nog_001.jpg

[tbone28]

mark should go sm250
confused yet? :D

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503546#post12503546 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
mark should go sm250
confused yet? :D

He can't, it wont fit.

[kdblove_99]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12503389#post12503389 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
Gonna see mom this sunday :)

That's what I'm talking about:D

[tbone28]

Mark needs to build a new sump :) It will cost less to build a new sump and buy SM250 than keep current sump and buy D250 :D

[reeffer1]

Well I got my deluxe 300 external hooked up. Man is the thing amazing!!

Now for the bad part, IT LEAKS!!!!! Where they glued the connection for the pump to the skimmer body there is a small leak through the glue.

Well time to make some phone calls.

[JCTewks]

man, that sucks!!! especially for as hard to come by as they are :(

[WWC]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12507898#post12507898 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reeffer1
Well I got my deluxe 300 external hooked up. Man is the thing amazing!!

Now for the bad part, IT LEAKS!!!!! Where they glued the connection for the pump to the skimmer body there is a small leak through the glue.

Well time to make some phone calls.
sorry to hear that:( but i can tell you the 300 ext is AMAZING so get it fix and move on;)

[reefkoi]

Heres some skimmate shots from today.
I empty the cup every saturday, this is what i get every week.
Awesome skimmer to say the least! Worth every penny to me.
Its a Supermarin 200 on a 240 with only 3 small fish and a couple hundred frags. Been setup for 4 weeks now, it took about a week and a half to start producing this quality skimmate.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-3.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-4.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-5.jpg

[cbui2]

nice skimmate, OMG at least wear a glove reefkoi :D. food will never taste the same, oh my bad just saw what you do for a living :lol:

[reefkoi]

Dude, next weekend when I empty the cup I'll take a picture of the skim in one hand and me eating food with the other ;)
That's nothing bro, I work with sewage all the time, skimmate is nothing to me haha
C

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512399#post12512399 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
Dude, next weekend when I empty the cup I'll take a picture of the skim in one hand and me eating food with the other ;)
That's nothing bro, I work with sewage all the time, skimmate is nothing to me haha
C

LOL, and I always thought your occupation was you joking around! :lmao:

[5iron]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512308#post12512308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
Heres some skimmate shots from today.
I empty the cup every saturday, this is what i get every week.
Awesome skimmer to say the least! Worth every penny to me.
Its a Supermarin 200 on a 240 with only 3 small fish and a couple hundred frags. Been setup for 4 weeks now, it took about a week and a half to start producing this quality skimmate.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-3.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-4.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/reefkoi/200-5.jpg
ohh my god... you pick it up by your hand.....................:eek1:
are you gonna eat it~?!?~!?:rollface: :rollface: :D :eek:

[cbui2]

:D

[reefkoi]

LOL man you guys must have desk jobs or something.........wait till next saturday, I'll make you never want to eat again LOL
C

[tbone28]

looks like peanut butter :p
smells like .... :D

[reefkoi]

My wife came in the kitchen (luckilly after I put the camera and the fish poop away) and she was like what the H*ll is that smell???

[tbone28]

My PB&J sandwich, honey! :lol2:

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512551#post12512551 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
My wife came in the kitchen (luckilly after I put the camera and the fish poop away) and she was like what the H*ll is that smell???

:lol: Sounds familiar! I've gotten that reaction a few times.:D

[tbone28]

i've figured it all out - let me break it down to you guys :p
I wait til my wife's out of the house. Then I clean the skimmer cup and throw the filter socks into the washing machine :D

[cbui2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512540#post12512540 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefkoi
LOL man you guys must have desk jobs or something.........wait till next saturday, I'll make you never want to eat again LOL
C

:lol: if she ever find out, you'll be sleeping by yourself.

[cbui2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512640#post12512640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
i've figured it all out - let me break it down to you guys :p
I wait til my wife's out of the house. Then I clean the skimmer cup and throw the filter socks into the washing machine :D

what happened if the stain starts to appear on her clothing :D?

[reefkoi]

Filter socks in the washing machine.............thats another one she hates, yeah I usually do it when shes at work.
When I clean out my BK400 downstairs though it stinks up the house for half a day! Even I get a little disgusted with it if you can imagine that hehe
C

[tbone28]

If you get disgusted with nog, then it must be NASTY! I can't even stand the smell from my SM. Can't imagine what the 400 smells like!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12512688#post12512688 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cbui2
what happened if the stain starts to appear on her clothing :D?

Then I tell her, "I guess the color-safe bleach isn't so color-safe!" :D

So Bart - since your Deltec skimmer deal fell through, are you getting a BK now?

[cbui2]

i will in the near future when more fishes are added. as of now i have 3 skimmers on my system

[tbone28]

you have fish in your tank??? :D

[WWC]

One of my friends is buying a Bubble King Supermarin 200 Internal Skimmer. Does anyone know what hight the water level should be at in his sump?

[reefkoi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12519306#post12519306 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WWC
One of my friends is buying a Bubble King Supermarin 200 Internal Skimmer. Does anyone know what hight the water level should be at in his sump?

9"

[JFish180]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355Bubble_King_and_ATB.jpg

I have the BK SM250 pump separated from the body by a temporary baffle, allowing only raw overflow water into the skimmer. The ATB gets the leftovers, but still manages to to pull some skimmate. On my system, the BK is very sensitive to certain frozen foods that I feed, sometimes loosing it's foamhead for several hours. The smaller ATB is less sensitive and starts skimming shortly after feeding. I tried running each skimmer separately for a week, but the BK skimms out a lot more for me than the ATB. Although the two models are not really comparable (BK SM250 versus ATB Small), they seem to complement each other on my specific system. I can say that after going with a Bubble King, I will always own a BK. This thing is built like a tank and setting it up so that the pump is isolated and receiving only raw overflow water allows it to pull out some really nasty stuff.... SEE BELOW :-)

Skimmer pump separated by a baffle with a hole to allow the pump outlet to connect to the skimmer body:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355Skimmer_pump_separated_via_baffle.jpg

In the following pictures I have the BK set up to skim dry... and this is with the ATB running at the same time...

2-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_2-day.jpg

4-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_4-day.jpg

5-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_5-day.jpg

[WWC]

very nice:rollface:

[reefkoi]

Holy smokes you are covered skimmer wise for a 75 gallon !!!!!
Looks like its performing perfectly, I never feed my frag system anything frozen so I haven't seen the foam head ever collapse.
C

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12520680#post12520680 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JFish180
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355Bubble_King_and_ATB.jpg

I have the BK SM250 pump separated from the body by a temporary baffle, allowing only raw overflow water into the skimmer. The ATB gets the leftovers, but still manages to to pull some skimmate. On my system, the BK is very sensitive to certain frozen foods that I feed, sometimes loosing it's foamhead for several hours. The smaller ATB is less sensitive and starts skimming shortly after feeding. I tried running each skimmer separately for a week, but the BK skimms out a lot more for me than the ATB. Although the two models are not really comparable (BK SM250 versus ATB Small), they seem to complement each other on my specific system. I can say that after going with a Bubble King, I will always own a BK. This thing is built like a tank and setting it up so that the pump is isolated and receiving only raw overflow water allows it to pull out some really nasty stuff.... SEE BELOW :-)

Skimmer pump separated by a baffle with a hole to allow the pump outlet to connect to the skimmer body:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355Skimmer_pump_separated_via_baffle.jpg

In the following pictures I have the BK set up to skim dry... and this is with the ATB running at the same time...

2-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_2-day.jpg

4-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_4-day.jpg

5-days of skimmate:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/108355BK_Skimmate_5-day.jpg

looks good! aren't you glad you didn't sell it now?

[tbone28]

Wow, that BK has broken in very nicely!

[Yinger]

here's mine now after 3 days...

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/ying9680/skimmer/IMG_1493.jpg

[skey44]

wo... what fish in that 75! that is crazy.

[JFish180]

(2) Lyretail Anthias
(2) Green Chromis
(3) Yellow Tail Blue Damsels
(1) Orchid Dottyback
(2) False Percula Clowns
(1) Male Hawaiian Flame Wrasse
And I just added a Dwarf Golden Morray Eel

I am feeding very heavy, dose AAs and Coral Vitalizer, and also dose 5 mL Vodka every day.

[navyav8tr]

WHICH BK SKIMMER??????

I am looking for a skimmer for a 260 pentagon with a 80-100 gallon sump. Tank will have an open feel to it with larger fish and sps/lps. Any recomendations on which one to go with? I can go either external or internal. The sump will be in the garage. Thanks.

[skey44]

i can't find the dims on the supermarine 250 on the web. I need the two different footprints and am assuming the water height is the same as for the 200 9". On another note- what is the major difference between the 200 and the 250 I am going to have a 187 bb reef display with a heavy fish load and sps. planning on atb med. or supermarine 250.

[reefkoi]

I have my SM 200 on a 240gal. + sump and it works awesome.
C

[tbone28]

you can run SM200 and 250's in 20-25cm water (7.9"-9.8")

[skey44]

thank you guys.
any word on the footprint dimensions and the major differences between the two? reefkoi yours is a frag system though isn't it I will be heavy stocked. I am having my sump custom made and want it to be perfect for whatever skimmer I decide on will both fit the same dimensions ? So I can decide later.

[tbone28]

SM250 footprint:

Pump mounted on front side :18.9" x 14.2"
Pump mounted on left side: 19.7" x 11.8"

Major difference is just capacity. The designs are the same. SM in a smaller package with smaller pump.

go with the SM250. I run one on my 180g (220 total) heavily stocked.

[reefkoi]

Yes my 240 is a frag system, honestly I think it pulls a better skimmate than my 400 on my main display...........

[tbone28]

reefkoi - that is quite a statement! And very curious to learn more. Why do you think the SM pulls better skimmate? The design of the SM? or what?

[reefkoi]

I dunno...........my 400 pulls a cup every 2 weeks maybe (although its several gallons probably) but it isn't as dry and "poopy" as the skim from the super.
My 600 doesn't have a spot of algae to be found so I can't complain but honestly I'm really impressed with the 200 for it's size!!!!!!!!!!!!
C

[tbone28]

I here ya. I had my heart set on a Deluxe, but couldn't fit one, and *settled* on an SM. Needless to say, I'm still very happy with my choice :)

[reefkoi]

Don't get me wrong, for a fully stocked 600 gallon, my 400 is great but i'm just saying this 200 for its size is crazy, worth every bloody penny........
I can't wait to eat a supermarin skimmate burrito next sat. and post pics for you guys
C

[tbone28]

*ugggh* you just gave me a visual! not a good one though! :lmao:

[skey44]

thanks guys. for the insight.

I am considering and reconsidering and am on sump redesign #6 i quit doing sketchup and am just drawing on graph paper now. That 250 is going to take quite the sump... If i go bk I may have to go between atb med cone and the sm 200 how do you think they'll stack up? They are both rated for similar sized systems.

[skey44]

T- i will definitely not be stocking quite as many tangs as you are... even though I would like a couple in there.

[Shawn D]

skey44 both are great skimmers and I was debating btwn the atb medium or SM250, and went with atb plus airstar... check them out in the atb forum. I am still subscribed to this BK thread though b/c i am a slight nogaholic, but not nearly as bad as tbone :lol:

[GSMguy]

Shawn that should be a sweet skimmer cant wait till they hit peoples tanks would be a great comparison to the SM250

Nice Avatar :)

[Shawn D]

Ya, Victor just e mailed me yesterday saying that they will leave Austria towards the end of the week. I think Victor's CS is what made the decision for me, b/c he always almost immediately responded to all my e mails.

Haha thanks

[skey44]

yup that is the one i am comparing it too. I was set on it, but keep drifting back to BK bc it is known to be the best, and with the atb they are still a bit new. I think they are going to be great and be around a long time, but they haven't been yet. I think I will design my skimmer compartment to fit either.

[rob020880]

Hello I currently own an ati bm200. I want to change it because it takes up way to much space in my sump. I have been thinking of getting a BK mini.

My tank is a 130 gal sps tank with 30 gal sump. I started it not too long ago and plan on having a heavy bio load. Which BK mini should I go with the 180 or the 200? Also what water level should the skimmer be placed in to get the best skimmate? Mine is currently at 11.5" and it would be great if I could just drop it in, will it perform?

Is it worth it? What have your experiences been with these skimmers? I read many forums and see mixed reviews, some claim it doesn't work some say it only skims wet and others rave about it. So whats the deal?

Will the BK mini have better performance then the ATI Bm200? I know the Bks build quality is without peer, but will it pull out more nog then the BM?

So should I "trade up"?

[rob020880]

I was also wondering if anyone was aware of any upcoming changes to the BK Mini. Perhaps some sort of newer version or redesign? It always seems whenever I buy something for this hobby a new design comes out a week after I buy my product. That is what happened with my BM200.

[cbui2]

where's tbone?

[tbone28]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3371.jpg

[reefkoi]

dude that is some black azz skimmate, very nice

[kdblove_99]

T. Its splashing on your plumbing.

Looks darn nasty!

[tbone28]

yeah, me likey :)...FWIW, this is running on my "wetter" setting. It's even darker when I run it dry :D

Davey - LOL, I have to wipe off my plumbing once in a while!

tomorrow is the day for reefkoi's nog burrito! :p

[reefkoi]

I knew you wouldn't let the burrito go.........I have like 100 things to do tomorrow so be patient, the skimmer cup is nice and dark and full today, it may be sunday morning before I can get to it, that just means the burrito will be extra spicey.
I wonder if this will be hazardous to my health? I can't imagine why can you??
C

[cbui2]

your bag is about to explode :D. next time take a pic of you wiping the collecting cup with your hands

[sdietz2469]

k, so i am leaning toward the bk sm-250, and it says it is rated for up to a 793 gal tank.... i will be running it on my 120 with a 40 gal sump until i upgrade tanks in a few months.....

when i upgrade i will be going to appox a 330 display with a 90 gal sump and a 100 gal frag tank..... i run mainly sps, and love my fish, so what do you think about the sm250? will this handle my tank... i only want to buy this thing once!!!!!!!
lets here your imput..
shane

[tbone28]

Chris - no worries. There's always next wek ;)
Bart - I'll leave that to Chris :eek2:
Sdietz - the SM250 should be able to handle it, but the SM300 is coming out after Interzoo. I'm curious to see the specs on it.

[jtarmitage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12557166#post12557166 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
Chris - no worries. There's always next wek ;)
Bart - I'll leave that to Chris :eek2:
Sdietz - the SM250 should be able to handle it, but the SM300 is coming out after Interzoo. I'm curious to see the specs on it.

Only problem with the 300 is it'll be way overkill on the current system and the skimming will be inconsistent. The 250 is the only skimmer that I know of that MAY be able to handle both systems. I say MAY, because I don't think it's a good choice for the lower end of the range, or the upper for that matter. To me, I'd rate the 250 for 180-600 actual water gallons. There is such a thing as too much skimming when the skimmer stops performing.

[Rwinfrey]

hey reefkoi :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbjQM3Gu9Y
ENJOY

[reefkoi]

Skimmer juice is nothing, I'm thinking the paste here ;)

[rob020880]

Hello I currently own an ati bm200. I want to change it because it takes up way to much space in my sump. I have been thinking of getting a BK mini.

My tank is a 130 gal sps tank with 30 gal sump. I started it not too long ago and plan on having a heavy bio load. Which BK mini should I go with the 180 or the 200? Also what water level should the skimmer be placed in to get the best skimmate? Mine is currently at 11.5" and it would be great if I could just drop it in, will it perform?

Is it worth it? What have your experiences been with these skimmers? I read many forums and see mixed reviews, some claim it doesn't work some say it only skims wet and others rave about it. So whats the deal?

Will the BK mini have better performance then the ATI Bm200? I know the Bks build quality is without peer, but will it pull out more nog then the BM?

So should I "trade up"?

I was also wondering if anyone was aware of any upcoming changes to the BK Mini. Perhaps some sort of newer version or redesign? It always seems whenever I buy something for this hobby a new design comes out a week after I buy my product. That is what happened with my BM200.

[rob020880]

Can someone also provide me with the exact dimensions of the collection cup (height and diameter) for the mini 180/200. I need to make sure it will fit in my sump/cabinet.

[tbone28]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3372.jpg

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12558326#post12558326 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rob020880
Hello I currently own an ati bm200. I want to change it because it takes up way to much space in my sump. I have been thinking of getting a BK mini.

My tank is a 130 gal sps tank with 30 gal sump. I started it not too long ago and plan on having a heavy bio load. Which BK mini should I go with the 180 or the 200? Also what water level should the skimmer be placed in to get the best skimmate? Mine is currently at 11.5" and it would be great if I could just drop it in, will it perform?

Is it worth it? What have your experiences been with these skimmers? I read many forums and see mixed reviews, some claim it doesn't work some say it only skims wet and others rave about it. So whats the deal?

Will the BK mini have better performance then the ATI Bm200? I know the Bks build quality is without peer, but will it pull out more nog then the BM?

So should I "trade up"?

I was also wondering if anyone was aware of any upcoming changes to the BK Mini. Perhaps some sort of newer version or redesign? It always seems whenever I buy something for this hobby a new design comes out a week after I buy my product. That is what happened with my BM200.

Rob i would talk to Scott from AS. I believe he has a 200 running on his frag system. I dunno what any of the mini's are size wise.
As for updates theres none i am aware of.

Flip thru this thread and i am sure you will find much of what youre looking for.

[Ccondo]

I'm sure I missed this somewhere but, what is the best way to break in my new SM 250? Pretreat with vinegar?

[reefkoi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12560828#post12560828 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3372.jpg

you could make a nice root beer float out of that foam :)
C

[KMP]

for those w/or considering a bk mini (in my case the 160). i was about at my wits end having spent so much money and not being able to dial my skimmer in. one minute it would be just right, then it was overflowing like it was in overdrive. didn't matter what adjustment i made on the pipe.

fortunately, my buddy has the same skimmer and i was able to take a look at his. the difference, mine had a small cap insterted into the pipe whereas his did not. i removed mine and now it's good to go. only other issue i have is apparently the outside acrylic part of the collection cup comes off at the slightest touch. it was obviously not glued on when manufactured. i've emailed our "group buy" sponsor w/no reply. will have to try to call this week.

[tbone28]

CCondo - some people do a vinegar bath. I just plugged mine in. It broke in relatively quickly

reefkoi - For some reason, I think you'd actually try that rootbear float! :D

KMP - Shoot Proline (Chris) a PM or post your issue on the Proline forum. He's been pretty helpful and responsive with me.

[KMP]

thanks tbone. i'll try that.

the email didn't work but i'm not complaining. i'm very busy during the week so the skimmer is about a 30 sec thought until water changes on the weekend. then i remember i need to call them folks :)

[tbone28]

you're welome. I think Proline is the 1st place I'd go for any isses with my skimmer. They can better troubleshoot than a retailer can. If you actually need a new part, Proline will send it to the retailer for you. good luck.

[jtarmitage]

Another nog shot. This is 1 weeks worth on my D 200.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/151089Nog_001.jpg

[sdietz2469]

when is interzoo? i am interested in seeing the sm-300, but i am probably go to the sm-250 just to satisfy my current tank....
now im getting excited.....

[german_reef]

22.-25.5.2008 or other format ;) 05/22/08 - 05/25/08

[tbone28]

Jeremey - i can smell that from here :D

german_reef - will you be attending interzoo?? If so, please share with us what you see :)

[sdietz2469]

what kind of a warranty do the rd pumps carry? are they good about replacing them in that warrant period?
thanks
shane

[Creetin]

I believe 2 year, and yes proline is top notch about replacing warrantee issues!!

[sdietz2469]

what is the rate people loose their pumps?
how long should i expect it to last?
on average what are the chances i will get a bad pump?
anybody have many problems with these pumps?

someone said frozen foods cause these to loose head... why is that?
shane

[Creetin]

The 4 or so years i have known BK i have not heard of one terninal pump failure.
Chances?? I would say very very low. You will not find a better made skimmer.
The foods that have fats and oils will kill bubbles but its usually short lived. Its more a problem on skimmers that are breaking in. IMO

[tjh]

for you tbone

this is the mess it makes in my sink. wife not happy
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii61/timliv2000/july07tank009.jpg
and this one is showing a toothbrush standing in the more solid stuff. always blows me away when i clean the cup, i only do this about once a month
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii61/timliv2000/july07tank008.jpg

[tbone28]

omg, that's gross! My wife will have none of that either, so I wait until she's out of the house :p

[docwells]

I am getting ready to order a Mini160 for my 70 gallon tank with 25 gallon sump. I was wondering can I run ozone into the skimmer and if so, is there a maximum that can be injected? Also, howa are people hooking it up? I have used ozone before and wanted to make sure there was nothing special I neede to do.

[rob020880]

Can someone please give me the dimensions of the collection cup for the BK 180 mini. I want to buy it but need to see if it will fit.

[johnnybravo234]

Lol I think reefers are subconsciously attracted to skimmers and the crap they produce.

[sdietz2469]

yeah definately.... so i have decided to go with the bk sm-250.... kinda nervous about spending that kind of dough on a skimmer, but if it is all that i read, and expect it is worth it......
so i will probably frequent this forum more now that i will be one of those guys..... oh, and i will be the only person in boise with a bk......

[tbone28]

You'll enjoy your SM250 :)

[J3REEF]

Ok, you have me interested in an upgrade.

I am currently running an Aqua-C 240 with a MAG18, 1in injector no gate between pump and skimmer and I get great results.
I fill the collection cup to the external drain in about two days with dark stinky nog.

Setup

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/153153skimmer.JPG

Tank is mixed SPS/LPS with a heavy bio load.
120 tech w/a 80 gallon MRC sump.

What would be the best BK model to replace the Aqua-C?

These are my hot buttons:
Killer skimming capabilities. Largest skimmer!!!
Ability to fit into my sump. Skimmer section is roughly 20"x20".
Ease of cleaning.
I also run a cal. reactor and have the effluent going into the 240.
What are my options to support this same setup with a BK to blow off extra c02?

Input please so I may join in on the NOG fun!

[Creetin]

The SM 250 would knock your socks off. Should have no probs at all fitting in your sump. :)
I doubt you'll need to hook up the effluent to the skimmer to blow off co2. Just have it located near the pumps input.
You could also get by with a SM200 or the deluxe 200 and 250.
If you like your beckett hight turnover then the SM is the way to go. JMO

[TypeSH]

Hi,

I have had a SM250 for a couple months, and just started having some problems with the air intake on the pump. My water line is about 10 inches from the floor, and where the airline connects to the riser tube is about 15 inches from the floor. Every once in a while I can hear a slurping noise and can see water being sucked through the airline into the pump. Is there a way to open the silencer for cleaning? I am thinking maybe something is stuck in the air silencer and is causing the airline to pull in water.

Suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Sam

[GSMguy]

J3REEF, go for the SM250 you wont be disappointed also it will use about 10% the energy that the AquaC uses.

type SH is it possible that you have a salt clog in the airline?

how is it possible to get water in the line the silencer should be above the water and sealed.

[TypeSH]

I'll check for salt clog in the airline tonight. I imagine that the clog would be cleared though when water is being sucked through the airline.

I just don't understand why water is being sucked into the airline when there is about 5 inches of clearance between the water line and the area where the airline connects to the riser. That is why I am assuming something is restricting air flow in the silencer. Maybe an insect went in? :)

Thanks,
Sam

[tbone28]

type sh - try sucking some hot RODI through your airline to clear up possible salt. FWIW, your water level of 10" is *a bit* high. optimal levels for the SM are 20-25cm (7.87"- 9.84")

j3reef - let me know if you decide to get a BK skimmer.

[TypeSH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12584647#post12584647 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
[B]type sh - try sucking some hot RODI through your airline to clear up possible salt. FWIW, your water level of 10" is *a bit* high. optimal levels for the SM are 20-25cm (7.87"- 9.84")


Thanks I'll try that when I get home. I also have a quick question for you. I saw that you posted this previous picture. It seems like there is a clear tube inside your SM250? On mine, I only have the sloped part in the skimmer. It doesn't have that extra cylindrical piece on top. Where would I be able to get that?

TIA,
Sam

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/terrylau828/DSCN3229.jpg

[tbone28]

Sam, the newer SM's have the riser. The original SM's only have the interior cone. Shoot Proline (Chris) a PM, and he can send you one. IMO, if your skimmer is working well for you, I'd leave it off because I think you'll have more contact time. I think the riser is there to minimize microbubbles from escaping.

[crab0000]

Type SH-Sometimes when I unplug my Deltec water shoots up the airline. Had you unplugged your skimmer recently when it happened?

[jbarone]

Does anybody know where I can get an exploded view of the impeller assembly for my mini 160? It locked up last night. I was able remove it to clean it but I'm interested in how it all comes apart so I can perform better regular maintenance on the pump and impeller.

For example:
Is the magnet part pressed on to the ceramic shaft?
Is the impeller pressed on to the shaft?
Can they be removed for a more complete cleaning?

If they are pressed how do you clean the shaft where it spins in the hub between the magnet and the impeller? Just soak it?

It's not easy to describe unless you've seen one.

Hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about.

Who could I contact about this, preferably by phone?

Thanks,
JB

[ac green]

KMP, any update on the below? I have a mini BM200 and also seem to have the same issue. A

Also, about what height water level are other mini BM200 users keeping there sumps at?


for those w/or considering a bk mini (in my case the 160). i was about at my wits end having spent so much money and not being able to dial my skimmer in. one minute it would be just right, then it was overflowing like it was in overdrive. didn't matter what adjustment i made on the pipe.

[tbone28]

ac green - the manual for the BK Mini is posted on RE's website. the water level should be 13-30cm (best between 20-25cm)

jbarone - there are pics in the same manual posted on RE's website. I can't link it for you though.

www.royal-exlusiv.de, then go to "Forums", then user manuals.
You can also call Chris from Proline.

[ac green]

thanks t-bone, will have to check my sump tonight.

Also, can you re-check the link. I could not get in even after removing the comma and I tried to google it but no luck.

tia

[tbone28]

opps, sorry. typo

www.royal-exclusiv.de

[docwells]

I am joing the club. I can't wait. I ordered a Mini 160 from Premium Aquatics. It should be here tomorrow.

[Los]

Me too:
This was waiting for me when I got home:

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/carlosandgea/CIMG1972.jpg

What a beautiful piece of equipment. WOW!
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/carlosandgea/CIMG1980.jpg

There was a small crack:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/carlosandgea/CIMG1982.jpg

Here is a closeup:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/carlosandgea/CIMG1985.jpg

I've left a message with ProLine and I'm sure they'll take care of it. Not sure if that piece can be replaced or what. In any case, that isn't a big deal, is it?

Thanks Tbone, Fly, and others here for pushing me towards the BK. I LOVE IT!
Cheers,
Los

[paulthomas]

Awesome! Glad you're happy Los. I'm sure you'll get that break taken care of.

Paul

[GSMguy]

its not that big of a deal performance wise, but for me it would be worth getting some money back or getting it replaced. if only because of the decreased resale value.

[tbone28]

Los - I'd get it replaced, as Nick mentioned. That skimmer is so big, it came on it's own pallet! lol

Paul - where you been, bro???

[paulthomas]

Awwwwwe, been busy bro. YGPM. :)

[Los]

Thanks for the advice TooFly, GSM, and Tbone. I hadn't considered the resale issue. That's a really good point; I hope I never have to part with this beauty, but if I do, there's a big difference between selling something in perfect condition and something which has a cosmetic crack.

I'm curious to see how Proline handles it.

[Canarygirl]

I sure hope that the way it gets handled doesn't involve waiting another several weeks for Royal Exclusive to build more units and ship them to Proline! :eek: I couldn't handle the waiting, personally....

Meanwhile, I have a new BK SM250 waiting for me at home, still in the box :D

[Los]

Me too, Canarygirl!

You are going to be awed when you pull back the wrapping. It is sooooo nice looking. Please post pics! Also, you wont find the manual in the packaging; check online where TBone recommended.

[docwells]

I got mine unwrapped tonight. It took awhile with all the peanuts and bubblewrap. It is an awesome looking piece of equipment. If it skims as good as it looks then it will be worth it. I will try and post pictures this weekend when I get it installed.

[OliverM3]

That hurts all the excitement of finally getting the BK and having it damaged I feel your pain I think I would have cried if my Mini 160 was damaged when I got home.
I got a great deal on a used store demo so I would have been SOL if it was damaged in shipping.

Unbelievable skimmers I couldn't be happier.
After a few short weeks I can actually see a difference in the tank.

[Canarygirl]

I got the wrong one! I ordered the SM250 and they delivered the Deluxe 250! :rolleyes:

[Los]

I was actually wondering if I had the wrong one too. The pictures on the websites show the BK 300 Deluxe Internal as being blue and having two lift tubes. Mine is red and has one.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/carlosandgea/BK300InternalDeluxe.jpg
This is what they have on their website in Germany as well as several of the US shops. Mine is the red one with the crack (above a few posts). Anyone else with a 300 Deluxe Internal care to shed some light on this? I still think I've got the right one, but I am a bit curious.

Anyway, good luck Canarygirl. Unfortunately, I bet someone getting a SM250 is going to be wondering too...

[tbone28]

Canarygirl - Either you got someone else's skimmer, or you got yourself a free upgrade (not sure if it's a desired one on your part though).

Los - You have the right skimmer. I noticed that on most websites, they don't post the *correct* skimmer pic. The double standpipe design is from the original BK's. You actually don't want that one, as it makes adjusting your static water level a bit more difficult

[rob020880]

Has anyone here ever connected a Bubble King directly to the overflow drain? If so is there any benefit, does it work, and what about larger pieces of uneaten food for example, does the skimmer handle it?

[tbone28]

you can plumb a BK Ext direct

[rob020880]

Is it a good idea? Is there any benefit to that? Would it eliminate waste in a sump? Would it be easier to just use filter socks?

I am planning a new system and gathering info to create the most efficient design.

[tbone28]

There are different views on this. Theoretically, it makes sense, as your skimmer is processing waste water straight from the tank. However, skimmers are not 100% efficient, which means that your skimmer is not processing *all* of the water that's being drained into the skimmer.

[tonyespinoza]

maybe steve will chime in, since he explained it to me before. the general notion was that plumbing straight from the overflow maximizes performance.

[tbone28]

True, which is why I said there are different views. There are some people who feel (when comparing just BK's) that the internals are more efficient that the externals.

[Los]

Thanks, Terry. Glad to know I've got the right one.

Can you plumb the internal BK's directly to the overflow as well? I was planning on doing so with a 1" gate valve to regulate the flow coming in. Any tips on doing so (or advice that it can't be done) would be most appreciated.

[tbone28]

Los - you can't plumb an Internal direct to your overflow because you already have a feed pump (your RD2000), which sucks water in from your sump.

The Externals don't come with feed pumps, so Ext owners must find a way to feed their skimmer - either plumb direct from the overflow or buy a feedpump, and feed water from the sump.

To regulated the flow coming in (as you said), your RD pump should have an intake nozzle on it, which you can twist to increase/decrease the amount of water you suck into your sump :)

[JCTewks]

If you have your Int in it's own compartment in the sump, you can just direct your overflows into that compartment...and if the flow through your tank is lower than the feed rate of the RD pump, well, you've made yourself a recirc of sorts. But it will still get raw DT surface water!

[Canarygirl]

Canarygirl - Either you got someone else's skimmer, or you got yourself a free upgrade (not sure if it's a desired one on your part though).

The Deluxe 250 looks (through the bubble wrap) like an awesome skimmer. But I'm trying to skim a 380 mixed reef, heavily stocked, and I'm worried that this skimmer isn't "big" enough. I thought that the Supermarin 250 or Deluxe 300 would be the right fit, but they sent the 250 Deluxe.

Now I've got this beauty in my garage that I'm afraid to unwrap 'cuz I might not want to send it back! :lol:

[CDReefLover]

I agree that you should have the BK300 Deluxe for your 380g setup.

[tbone28]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12597004#post12597004 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JCTewks
If you have your Int in it's own compartment in the sump, you can just direct your overflows into that compartment...and if the flow through your tank is lower than the feed rate of the RD pump, well, you've made yourself a recirc of sorts. But it will still get raw DT surface water!

Good point, Jeff. My exact situation :)

Canary Girl - I didn't realize you had such a big volume. The D250 might be too small.

[Creetin]

I dunno, If you paid sm250 price for a deluxe250 you got a savings. LOL I have the D250 on a 340gal system, and the skimmer has no probs keeping up. Actually i had to feed more to keep it skimming.
I would atleast unwrap it to doublecheck its a deluxe.
Mine came in and had 250 ext written on it, but it was an internal. :)

[tbone28]

Well, there you go, Canary Girl! Sounds like the D250 is a keeper! Free upgrade for making you wait so long :p

[JFish180]

I have my SM250 in it's own sump compartment, with the RD pump's inlet next to the overflow drain. When I added a temporary baffle to separate the skimmer body (and output) from the skimmer pump, the skimmer started pulling much nastier skimmate. The baffle has a small hole for the pump's outlet to exit to the skimmer. IMO this is more important if the skimmer is greatly oversized for the tank, as the skimmer's output is not allowed to dilute the overflow water.

[tbone28]

I think having a dedicated skimmer section is beneficial for any type of skimmer, not only so that you can skim dedicated DT water, but also so you can maintain a constant water level for your skimmer

[Canarygirl]

I was going to unwrap my skimmer in case it was just labeled incorrectly but then I saw the RD1500 pump so I knew it had to be the Deluxe.

My display is 240 but when you add sump, frag tank and inline QT tank it comes out to 380 gallons.

This has happened to me before, where one model is just a shade too small and the next higher model is a shade too big.

Plus, my display is going to be bare bottom...how much of a difference will that make in skimmer sizing?

Anyway I've contacted the vendor about the wrong model being sent and they are working on something behind the scenes...I'm supposed to call them back on Monday.

[Creetin]

Well i have a similar setup and i think the 250 SM or deluxe is fine. IMO The truth is like proline says. They like to be worked.

[Creetin]

Also the deluxe 250 is Rated For: 200 - 525 gallons

[Los]

CanaryGirl, I think that's a no-brainer. As long as they are willing to let you do so and it's not messing someone else up - I would definitely keep the Deluxe 250. I think you will be much better served with that one and, besides, it can more than handle your tank from what I've heard.

Heck, when I asked several vendors which Deluxe model to get for my 360 tank + 140 sump = 500 gallons, I was told unanimously to get the Deluxe 250. That's what every vendor recommended. I ended up getting the Deluxe 300, but it was made clear to me that was overkill and that was for a set up 30% bigger than yours. In your case, the 250 Deluxe will be more than enough AND it will give you the option of skimming darker than the SM is capable of.

The decision is an easy one me thinks. Congrats!

Los

[TypeSH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12585092#post12585092 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crab0000
Type SH-Sometimes when I unplug my Deltec water shoots up the airline. Had you unplugged your skimmer recently when it happened?

I figured out the issue. There was salt build up in the silencer. I couldn't figure out how to clean out the buildup from the inside of the riser tube, so I ended up blowing air from the top end of the silencer. When I did this, I was able to blow out most of the build up. I must have gotten the inner end of the silencer wet during setup.

Thanks for all the help.

Sam

[docwells]

My BK mini 160 arrived Thursday. Wife had put it in the garage for me after it arrived.


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0819.jpg

[docwells]

I got around to installing my mini 160 today.



http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0821.jpg




http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0822.jpg

[docwells]

BK fired up for first time


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0823.jpg




Foam head after 2 hours


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0824.jpg




First skimmate


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0825.jpg




Up close skimmate


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/docwells97/DSCN0826.jpg

[tonyespinoza]

hey docwells - what size/type tank are you putting that 160 on?

[docwells]

The skimmer is on a 69 gallon BB tank with a 25 gallon sump. It is mainly a sps reef with a few lps and zoos. My build thread is below:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1360349

[triunfo]

Guess who was at my door?.....

http:///Users/oscarcabeza/Desktop/burger-king.jpg

None other than Mr.BK himself!!

I was appalled to see that the box was ripped during shipping!
http://file:///Users/oscarcabeza/Desktop/Tank%20Pics/2008_05_24/IMG_2124.JPG
I guess the Fed Ex guys did not see the fragile stickers throughout the box!
http://file:///Users/oscarcabeza/Desktop/Tank%20Pics/2008_05_24/IMG_2133.JPG

[tbone28]

I only see red x's :(

[triunfo]

I guess macs aren't compatible with RC or I'm just computer illiterate..

[tbone28]

Upload your pics to photobucket, then past the link (the img link) here. it's easy

[tonyespinoza]

thanks wellington - headed over to read your thread now! awesome.

[b_vanfossen]

docwells- congrats on your new bad a$$ skimmer! one question on it- where does the water exit the skimmer on that mini 160?

Thanks

[docwells]

b_vanfossen,
If you look at one of the pictures above, the water exits at the bottom of the white pvc tee. The water exit is submerged and there are no microbubbles. It is an amazing skimmer.

[dingdong03]

Yesterday i've joined the club

Still have question,Any SM250 owner knows what is the water lvl for SM250 to skim dry?

http://www.hkaquazone.com/gallery/data/500/1585IMG_03631.JPG

[WWC]

One of my customers just setup an SM200 and there is a lot of microbubbles coming out the bottom of the pipe. Anyone know what causes this?

[tbone28]

dingdong - I set my water level right at or below the bottom of the collection cup to skim dry.