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mollymonticello
05/07/2008, 06:43 PM
Does anyone know anything about zebra crabs? When you do a google search, only picture websites come up. I'm wondering if they are omnivores or carnivores.

charlesr1958
05/07/2008, 10:09 PM
Not sure what a zebra crab is, but all crabs are omnivores, willing to get by on algae,detritus if need be, yet quite capable of taking advantage of meatier table fare when the opportunity arises.

Chuck

LeslieH
05/07/2008, 10:51 PM
It's Zebrida adamsii. It's one of the exceptions Chuck. This species is an obligate symbiont on some species of sea urchins. All members of the family are echinoderm symbionts.

Despite the fact it lives on the outside of urchins it can be classified as a parasite because it feeds on the appendages and skin of the host urchin. While it may be relatively benign in the wild where it can switch from urchin to urchin in a tank it will eventually cause the death of the host.

mollymonticello
05/08/2008, 09:12 PM
Hello, Leslie. Thanks for the information. I didn't know they ate their host. I read that in the wild they host on fire urchins. I don't have any sea urchins in my tank. So far my zebra crab has just been hanging out on my gorgonians. I'm not sure if that's because he likes the gorgonians, or if it's just because most of my corals are gorgonians. I hope he won't starve without an urchin. If that's the case, I could supply him with urchins for food. I know fire urchins are a lot bigger than the little pincushion urchins at my LFS. But it's worth a try.

charlesr1958
05/08/2008, 09:51 PM
As always Leslie, thanks! I tried to google "zebra" but came up with a lot of garbage as usual. Will have to start taking closer looks at urchins now...lol

Chuck

LeslieH
05/09/2008, 12:52 AM
Molly - I don't know if it will only feed on urchins or if it will eat other things as well. If it's starving it may well try to eat other things. Getting it an urchin is probably best but you could give it something meaty & see what happens. Good luck --

mollymonticello
05/09/2008, 06:01 PM
I've been squirting it with mysis/cyclops mixtures, but it is so slow moving it doesn't catch any or seem to want to catch any. It was hanging out at the base of my gorgonian yesterday and picking (very slowly) at some algae at its base. I didn't see it put its claw in its mouth, but it was picking at something there. Maybe there were pods in the algae. I'm going to grab a little pincushion urchin at my LFS this week and see what happens.

cbr600rri
05/10/2008, 02:56 PM
What Leslie said, target feed it with something meaty should work.

finsurgeon
05/10/2008, 10:45 PM
I've had one for a couple of years. I think they like diadema (black long-spine) urchins the best, and I've posted before that they seem to eat the urchin's spines. I have 2 long spine black urchins, 2 blue tux, 1 pink rainbow pin cushion, 1 purple rock-boring, and 1 purple impact urchin, and while the crab may switch onto another type for a day or 2, he always ends up back on the black ones. I don't think it harms them, and in fact it has allowed me to keep urchins that otherwise would have gotten too big for my tank very quickly. In effect, he keeps them "mowed". I recommend 1 crab for 2 urchins. I lost a crab about a year and a half ago, and the urchin growth was quite rapid while there was no one to "groom" them, but once I got another crab, I haven't had any turnover of crab or any urchin since. I don't think the crab has eaten any food I've fed, and I don't think he's been off of an urchin for over 3 days total. And 2 crabs didn't work - they fought over an urchin to the dismay of the smaller one.

LeslieH
05/11/2008, 02:55 AM
What's happening is that the energy the urchins would normally use to grow is being diverted into continuous repair or replacement of what the crab's been eating. If you only had one urchin which couldn't heal fast enough it would eventually die.

finsurgeon
05/11/2008, 09:45 AM
I agree that a single urchin is not quite enough. And the diadema or astrpyga types have the size and growth potential to support the crab best. The blue tux and pin-cushion types show wear quickly when "inhabited". Also, the all black long-spine I once had was not as good as the true diadema with the little blue spots on black.

mollymonticello
05/13/2008, 10:11 PM
I got a cheap white pincushion? type urchin today, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that this crab eats urchins. lol. I never saw it eat anything I target fed it with...mysis, cyclops, cyclop eeze, prawn eggs, rotifers, etc. But as soon as I put that urchin in the tank, it was love at first sight. The crab is now picking at the urchin's feet I think and putting little bits into his mouth. And he is a LOT more animated now, moving faster. Guess I'll have to get a couple more urchins. This one's pretty big, about 3 1/2 Inches in diameter.

LeslieH
05/13/2008, 11:39 PM
You're such a good crab mommie! :)

mollymonticello
05/14/2008, 06:36 PM
Awwww, thanks :) Hee hee, I wub my crabbie :)

His name is Ichiro, after that baseball player my husband likes. Last time I let him name anything...

The crab is doing great, hanging out on the urchin still. Let me get you some pics. Please pardon the algae on the glass.
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=zebracrabonurchin.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/zebracrabonurchin.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=zebracrabonwhiteurchin.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/zebracrabonwhiteurchin.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=IMG_3520.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/IMG_3520.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=IMG_3518.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/IMG_3518.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=IMG_3523.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/IMG_3523.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=IMG_3524.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/IMG_3524.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/?action=view&current=IMG_3526.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/uwlax96/Zebra%20Crab/IMG_3526.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

mollymonticello
05/19/2008, 09:33 PM
I got a second urchin today, thank you finsurgeon for all that excellent information!

mamagoose45
05/21/2008, 10:58 AM
Very cool looking crab!

Kemo484
05/21/2008, 05:35 PM
Sweet looking crab

mollymonticello
05/21/2008, 06:11 PM
Except those urchins are eating all my coralline algae :(

finsurgeon
05/21/2008, 11:12 PM
Don't despair. After they eat your coralline algae, they will poop the spores, and it will come back faster. I took my first urchin back to the store after 2 days of coralline grinding, but eventually I got another, and another, and so on. Now the tracks of my 7 urchins disappear soon after they are made.

mollymonticello
06/12/2008, 06:21 PM
The good news is that they also eat a little Caulerpa. That stuff is the devil.

charlesr1958
06/13/2008, 08:04 AM
Now THAT is actualy a great looking crab! Been looking at wild urchins when I can but have yet to find anything, but thats half of the fun of looking, ya just never know when.

Chuck

LeslieH
06/13/2008, 10:11 AM
Be careful handling the urchins Chuck - remember some of them are venomous.

Grunt
06/13/2008, 12:25 PM
How did you find that guy (in stores), was he with an urchin you purchased?

Nice looking crab.

charlesr1958
06/14/2008, 04:41 AM
Thanks Leslie, I do rarely see one type of urchin (gotta get a pic of one) that I remember as being described as "deadly", it has such a potent sting that it can put you into shock. Its the basic urchin body plan (shape) but instead of spines, it is covered in what I can best describe as "rimmed circular pads", I tried to bring one home for photos once and while it was in the bucket it released a gawd awfull amount of thick snotty clear mucus and killed everything else in the bucket (fish and another urchin species) Being the moron that I am, I started scooping out the "gel" untill I realized that my hand was starting to tingle and turn red. A vocal "oh!" had Linda asking her usuall of me - "now what got you?" ...lol Anyways, I gotta get a pic of one sooner or later, very weird looking urchin.

Chuck

LeslieH
06/14/2008, 10:41 AM
Poor Linda - you sure keep her hopping! :D

Sounds like the flower urchin Toxopneustes pileolus -
http://www.seadb.univpm.it/en_Flower-urchin-Toxopneustes-pileolus_235.htm#
http://www.scuba-equipment-usa.com/marine/JUL05/Flower_Urchin(Toxopneustes_pileolus).html

It does have spines but as the video in the first link shows the modified pedicellaria with expanded tips & poisonous venom are longer than the spiines.

charlesr1958
06/15/2008, 08:34 AM
Yup! Thats it. Thanks!

Chuck

mollymonticello
06/15/2008, 04:39 PM
You can buy these crabs online for like, $30. They live on Asthenosoma varium, fire urchins. I haven't seen these available before, but hope they will be soon, since the crabs are coming into the hobby. I'll get one for my zebra crabbie if they do become available. Just another thing I have to look for before putting my hand in the tank.

That Toxopneustes pileolus is a weird looking urchin. If I ever see one, I'll remember not to touch. :)

mollymonticello
07/03/2008, 05:11 PM
Well, my zebra crab killed the white urchin, which died under the most inaccessible rock possible. I haven't seen the crab since. He also molted the day before the urchin died. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't get off the white urchin and move to the other urchins I have in the tank, which are the same kind. Now I feel bad because I'm pretty sure my zebra crab is dead.

charlesr1958
07/03/2008, 09:37 PM
The crab may just be in hiding while its new exoskeleton hardens. Hopefully it will show up on another urchin in a few days or so.

Chuck

1337TANKHAX
11/05/2008, 05:07 AM
i ordered one of the zebra crabs from liveaquaria diversden and it didnt do well in my tank at all. all of my parameters were fine. it just moved very slowly for a couple days and eventually i found it upside down on the substrate. i just dont think that these crabs are very well suited for the home aquarium. we dont know enough about them yet.

finsurgeon
11/05/2008, 11:37 PM
1337TANKHAX,
Didja have an urchin? Seems like your tank is a little small for an urchin, and a tank without an urchin is a little small for an urchin crab.