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laura_prisaciuc
06/10/2008, 04:08 AM
Hello reefkeepers!

I want to start a reef tank, but I really need your help. I read a lot of materials about building and starting a reef, maintaining it, but still being a little bit confused… Found the TOTM August 2003 - MUCHO REEF'S Reef Aquarium and liked so much that I want to reproduce as much as possible, in my way.

My problem is that I want to use one of my old frshwater tanks: one is 52’’L x 16’’l x 24’’h and the other is 68’’L x 20’’l x 20’’h. Both are made from glass, 10mm(3/8’’) thick; stands are 40’’ high, with 4 and 5 walls (door-shelves-door and door-shelves-shelves-door) – so it may be modified to put in there the sump – maybe another stand to build.
I have also 2 canister filter Fluval 304 (260 gph), a Jebo UV - 18W, several heaters, a hydrometer with temperature correction chart, thermomethers, pH tests, ordered a Aqua Medic Turboflotor 1000 Multi SL. I also planned to buy a Aqua Medic pump: Ocean Runner OR 3500 (3500l/h = 900gph) for the water returning to tank. Of course, the next on the list is a RO system, I did not decided if it will be a Aqua Medic Easyline 90 (90l/day=23gpd) or something else. Also I have to buy a JBL Testlab marine and salt. The tank will not be exposed to direct sunlight.

Q1: Which one of those two tanks should I use? Because of the thickness of the glass I am worried… Maybe to use the long one, with one long chamber built along the back wall drilled for plumbing with the sump, something like an overflow chamber – the remaining space (20-4=16’’) used as the display tank. In this way I have less pressure on the front glass as the water will fill a smaller space of 68’’x16’’x20’’ (without counting the DSB).
Maybe the other – higher but shorter, with a classic overflow chamber built in the middle-back or corner(s).
The big one should be my choice...

Q2: What kind of the sump to build? I saw that there are several types – depending what equipment to put in there. Maybe built it like a tower for using the existing stand? How can I use the canisters?
I think that in the sump there must be: a part with bioballs, a bubble trap zone, a skimmer chamber, a refugium zone, not particular in this order. I looked at Melev's Reef site, but it confused me more. I do not know how to adapt that to the system I want. Maybe to build it larger, taking into consideration adding other equipment like a calcium reactor and a nitratreductor.
I would like to have a reef with soft corals like zoanthid, ricordia, mini carpet anemone, anthelia, maybe a fungia, a hammer coral, a clam, a goniopora and a suncoral (sometime in the faaar future), and a few small fish (a Firefish, 2 Clownfish, a few Green Chromis, a Bicolor Blenny, a Midas Blenny, 2 Banggai Cardinalfish, maybe a Royal Gramma and a Yellow Tailed Damsels), with some shrimps. Any advice about introducing them is welcome. Or if those are not compatible, please let me know.

I planned to buy medium sized aragonite sand (about 3-4’’) or even some live sand (mixed ATS, AMA, CaribSea) , some base rocks and live rock, but I do not know how much will be enough to remain space for the fish.
A Prodibio supplement will be used – The Kit Reef. With 40 ampoules.
I will fit in the hood 6 (or 8?) T5 tubes of 58 W – Reef White 15K and Reef Blue from Aqua Medic (or similar manufacturer) and some moonlights. All will be made by me – I did it before for the two tanks.

I do not know how many powerheads and what capacity to have for best results. I know that many will say : Tunze, but I can not afford to spent so much for them. Maybe 3 small powerheads connected to a multi-cycle pump timer with 3 circuits. Or maybe just split in 4-5 parts the return from the sump? It is enough?

I made myself the tanks with stands and hoods (with lights) and I will try to build as much as possible other myself. But first I have to plan everything in detail and here I have to ask you for not making mistakes that can not be fixed anymore.
As I have friends that live in Germany and can help me buying parts and food (for those that I can not order from my country) – I can say that it is easy to have all I will need.

Now I see how many decisions I have to take. And is not simple… For those who have experience in reefs, please advice me how to proceed.

Anyway thanks for reading all this.
Laura.

Nano Chris
06/10/2008, 07:16 AM
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sassafrass
06/10/2008, 07:56 AM
Honestly I would like to help you but am having a hard time understanding {sometimes it seems I'm not that bright} could you cut it down to 1 or 2 questions at a time?
Regards , Lee

laura_prisaciuc
06/10/2008, 09:20 AM
Sure Lee.
The main thing is how to use the old freshwater tank 52’’L x 16’’l x 24’’h in a reef system. I mean where and how to drill it... I need to copy a model that is working...
I wanted to give you full info about what I want as a reef (corals anf fish) and also how to use as much equipment that I have.
Too much detailes. I know, but I will explain what I mean if you ask me.

The next part is how to plan the sump. Maybe here I need to wait for the Protein Skimmer to come and also to buy the return pump and then I should know the dimensions of those. With that - to choose the right sump.

Am I right? How did you do this?
Thanks, Laura.

laura_prisaciuc
06/10/2008, 09:30 AM
... also my friends told me that I speak too much. :lol:

sassafrass
06/10/2008, 10:54 AM
The first thing we need to know is if your tank is tempered that will determine if it can be drilled it is great that you are doing all this research in advance! I have set up many tanks {thats what I do for a living} and it is best to have everything you need and all your research done before you start assembly otherwise you may be tempted to take shortcuts you will later regret.
If your tank is tempered there are other options we can look at.
Regards , Lee

sassafrass
06/10/2008, 11:16 AM
Bio-balls are inappropriate for a saltwater reef , In the US t-5 bulbs under 4feet are alot cheaper you might want to consider 36" bulbs and more of them it also provides a greater choice of spectrum choices. hydor korallias are very good powerheads and economical as well your fish list looks good except for the damsel which is better suited for an aggressive tank
Lee

laura_prisaciuc
06/10/2008, 11:18 AM
The tank is made from untampereg glass, so it can be drilled.

I will make the holes for plumbing, with the right tool and a drill, but don't know where and how many.
I will rotate the tank to sit on the back side (just imagine that you are sitting in front of the tank and you will see the bottom in front), and drill it from inside-out.

laura_prisaciuc
06/10/2008, 11:36 AM
You are right Lee,
1. I will not use bioballs - keeps the nitrate level high, if not rinse frequently
2. I do not want to use large numbers of tubes, that's why I choose the longest ones. And there are cheaper I think. Maybe replace from the begining some of them with MH?
3. Korallias were the ones that I liked... after Turbelle.
4. About the Yellow Tailed Damsel - it looks so nice and colourfull, but I think that I can kiss him goodbye...

But how about the sump?
Classic? Skimmer part - return part - refugium part with the drain line splitted betw skimmer and refugium (75%-25%)

Thanks for the tips Lee!!!

Aquarist007
06/10/2008, 11:39 AM
This thread will really help you out---the pictures you want, everything is on this thread
it is a 90gal build like yours

warning--its a long read--but I know you will learn from it

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1310919&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Aquarist007
06/10/2008, 11:43 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12717687#post12717687 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by laura_prisaciuc
You are right Lee,
1. I will not use bioballs - keeps the nitrate level high, if not rinse frequently
2. I do not want to use large numbers of tubes, that's why I choose the longest ones. And there are cheaper I think. Maybe replace from the begining some of them with MH?
3. Korallias were the ones that I liked... after Turbelle.
4. About the Yellow Tailed Damsel - it looks so nice and colourfull, but I think that I can kiss him goodbye...

But how about the sump?
Classic? Skimmer part - return part - refugium part with the drain line splitted betw skimmer and refugium (75%-25%)

Thanks for the tips Lee!!!

these threads will help you out with sumps and refugiums

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1349443

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1317806&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

this thread will help you with Koralias and flow

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1359857

and if interested in other tank builds:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12055086#post12055086

sassafrass
06/10/2008, 12:02 PM
Hey Laura it looks like capn_hylinur gave you some good reading material if there is something you don't understand or info not provided feel free to ask thats how we all learn and there are a lot of great people here that are willing to help!
Lee
PS I think that it is really great that you are going to do much of the work yourself ,that way you will have a greater understanding of your system!

laura_prisaciuc
06/11/2008, 02:49 AM
Yes, indeed.
I have a lot to study...

I will ask you if I find something unclear. First, give me some time to read all :-)

Thank you very much capn_hylinur .