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Pike614
06/13/2008, 10:20 AM
Looking for a high quality skimmer for a 450+gallon reef. ANy suggestions on where I should start looking?
THanks

tomasz
06/13/2008, 01:17 PM
Go with Volcano

wmilas
06/13/2008, 04:50 PM
Your basic choices in no order of preference assuming 1 skimmer:

Volcano
Deltec 902 or larger
Bubble King 300 or larger
ATB Cone Large or XL

There are other choices, but these seem to be current favorites on the board. If it matters at all for my 600 display/1000 system I just ordered a ATB XL Cone.

Pike614
06/13/2008, 06:03 PM
What about ASM G-5 and 6 skimmers?

Untamed12
06/13/2008, 06:12 PM
Well the argument goes that you can purchase 3 or 4 G6's for the price of the others mentioned above.

I use an unmodified G6 on my 400. It seems to be working fine because the tank is quite healthy and has no troubles. I went through a spell where I thought for sure I would need to replace it, but things settled down. It was probably just new tank growing pains.

The G6 is really poorly built....but 3 NW pumps, 5 feet high chamber...the specs are hard to beat for the $.

You have to consider that the G6 is quite tall and has to be in a sump. That makes it difficult for most people to fit into their systems unless you plan for it.

Pike614
06/14/2008, 07:57 AM
What about an Octopus OCT-TDNW-300 ? Says rated for 600g. I'll have 600g total volume.

wmilas
06/14/2008, 08:40 AM
An equivalent Octopus skimmer to the ones stated above would be more along the lines of the FDNW-400. Even there the ones I mentioned would out skim it.

Its not that the Octopus skimmers are bad, its just that their designs are not as efficient as the ones above so you need a much larger size octopus for the same size tank.

If you had a lightly or medium stocked tank I'd put a Reeflo 250 pro on it (instead of the octopus, same price range) as the Reeflo is a better design that the octopus, but less money that the ones I listed above.

However I'd look hard at an ATB large. Its not that much more than a reeflo, can be used internally, and will outskim a reeflo.

It really depends on your price range. At this level you can't buy a bad skimmer. You are merely buying ones that are more efficient.

jmccown
06/14/2008, 09:35 AM
I just switched from ASM to MRC and won't look back.

Jflip2002
06/14/2008, 12:17 PM
reeflo orcao 250 pro kit
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SQ-OCT-PK&Category_Code=reefflo

Octopus dnw400
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CV-OCT-FDNW-400&Category_Code=Octopus

Thats what Id choose, since I personally cant afford a $4000 bubble king deluxe 400 internal skimmer. If I could though, thatd be the clear choice.

Crazy One
06/14/2008, 11:17 PM
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Octopus dnw400
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CV-OCT-FDNW-400&Category_Code=Octopus

Thats what Id choose, since I personally cant afford a $4000 bubble king deluxe 400 internal skimmer. If I could though, thatd be the clear choice. [/B]
I've been throwing around this same questin when I get my tank build completed, around 600 gallons total. I'm wanting to use an insump style just incase I have any problems the water shouldn't make it's way out onto my floor.
I'm assuming the reefflo is gravity fed from an overflow ? and the Octopus is in sump?
Will the water temp run hotter if the pump is internal or external for the skimmer?

skyhigh222
06/15/2008, 04:11 AM
If you go with the Octo then you can run it both in sump or out of sump.

tangers
06/15/2008, 08:35 PM
a buddy of mine is running a orac250 pro on his 450 w/ 13 tangs and absolutely loves it!

Crazy One
06/16/2008, 01:42 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12753525#post12753525 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tangers
a buddy of mine is running a orac250 pro on his 450 w/ 13 tangs and absolutely loves it!
Would the temperature stay cooler with using a external pump intead of an insump design?

Pike614
06/16/2008, 03:32 PM
The original question was:

Looking for a high quality skimmer for a 450+gallon reef. ANy suggestions on where I should start looking?
Thanks

clownnrnd
06/16/2008, 07:51 PM
I'd go H&S 300 3x1260. There has been some nice used skimmers in the FS forum lately.

Chad

wmilas
06/16/2008, 09:14 PM
Pike: I answered your question and gave you 4+ models to look at...

Pike614
06/16/2008, 09:19 PM
Got it wmilas, thanks for the feedback! I was just getting the thread back on track.

moosejac
06/17/2008, 12:25 AM
Where can you purchase the Volcano skimmers? Can't seem to find them listed for sale anywhere...

tom obrecht
06/17/2008, 06:22 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12762399#post12762399 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moosejac
Where can you purchase the Volcano skimmers? Can't seem to find them listed for sale anywhere...

They are made to order. You will need to call to get a quote. Here is the site.
http://www.aquaticacrylics.com/

tangers
06/17/2008, 07:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12757803#post12757803 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Crazy One
Would the temperature stay cooler with using a external pump intead of an insump design?
In almost all cases I would say this is true

Achapman
06/17/2008, 10:36 AM
Aquatic Systems Designs 10.3
http://www.aquaticsystemsdesign.com/product_view.php?model=ps.rnw.10.12300

Or the Reeflo Pro

Pike614
07/09/2008, 07:34 AM
jmccown mentioned the MRC skimmers. Does anytone know how there "rating" compares to their actual performance?

Jar*Head
07/09/2008, 09:50 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12760375#post12760375 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clownnrnd
I'd go H&S 300 3x1260. There has been some nice used skimmers in the FS forum lately.

Chad


+1 :D

Tony B (UK)
07/10/2008, 03:14 AM
If you're on a budget, I would consider one of the following:

An ATI Bubblemaster 250 or 300
Reeflow Orca 250

If cash is not so tight, I would consider the largest skimmer my purse (or sump area) could cope with.

I use a Deltec AP1004, you should also consider a large or XL one of these: http://www.korallen-zucht.de/en/shop/products-technology/skimmers/index.html

Bubblekings are also very good too but they're very costly.

Pike614
07/10/2008, 05:50 AM
Thanks Tony! I was trying to keep[ it under $1,000. I'll look into those, and keep my eye on the used equipt. forum for one to come along.
thansk!

jjackson
07/10/2008, 06:45 AM
I can speak for the ATI bubble masters... My buddy is running a BM 300 and I am ordering a 250.... the thing is a beast and very well made.

Pike614
07/11/2008, 08:45 AM
SO does the height of the tube really matter? Seems like other models, including the Deltec, ASM, and others utilize a much taller tube, making their overall heights more like 36-48" tall. The ATI BM250 is only 20" tall!
Does the height of the skimmer make a big difference?

bassettmd
07/11/2008, 01:18 PM
MRC3 w/ recirc and maybe a riser .... you will not regret it!

Untamed12
07/11/2008, 01:19 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12925012#post12925012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pike614
SO does the height of the tube really matter? Seems like other models, including the Deltec, ASM, and others utilize a much taller tube, making their overall heights more like 36-48" tall. The ATI BM250 is only 20" tall!
Does the height of the skimmer make a big difference?

I think it does. I think that height provides additional contact time between the bubbles and the water. I think the reason manufacturers make short skimmers is a compromise so that people can fit them under their tanks.

Pike614
08/05/2008, 07:41 PM
OK, so I think I have it narrowed down to one of the following: The Reeflo 250, the Deltec 902, or the ASM G6. I am only considering the G6 because of cost. Does the performance of the Reeflo and the Deltec make it worth the significant difference in price? Would the reeflo perform to a similar level of the Deltec?
Thanks!

JRaquatics
08/06/2008, 09:29 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13096001#post13096001 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pike614
OK, so I think I have it narrowed down to one of the following: The Reeflo 250, the Deltec 902, or the ASM G6. I am only considering the G6 because of cost. Does the performance of the Reeflo and the Deltec make it worth the significant difference in price? Would the reeflo perform to a similar level of the Deltec?
Thanks!

IMO would be happier with the Reeflo 250 than the deltec. The performance is just stellar. I would visit the reeflo thread and see how many large reef tank owners love this skimmer. The owner of Reef Specialty has the Reeflo 250 pro kit one his 500 gallon tank with lots of large tangs and wrasses (super bioload). His tank can be seen here:http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/totm/index.php

I have seen tons of locals with these skimmers and many owned the high end skimmers and opted for the reeflo.

Standard Reeflo 250
http://www.reefspecialty.com/reeflo-orca-protein-skimmer-p-219.html

Reeflo 250 Pro
http://www.reefspecialty.com/reeflo-orca-p-253.html

thor32766
08/06/2008, 11:07 AM
Hands down Reeflo Pro 250!!!! I have a 450 gallon tank with a 230 gallon sump and as before mentioned have a huge bioload. It rips!! I have never seen a skimmer before perform like the Reeflo skimmers do. Plus they have new propellers out that make them perfrom even better!!!

tangers
08/06/2008, 03:35 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13099741#post13099741 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thor32766
Hands down Reeflo Pro 250!!!! I have a 450 gallon tank with a 230 gallon sump and as before mentioned have a huge bioload. It rips!! I have never seen a skimmer before perform like the Reeflo skimmers do. Plus they have new propellers out that make them perfrom even better!!!
As if we ever thought it could get any better! I can't imagine what that thing's going to do when you get the new impellar.

I now have a Orca 200 on my system. I will never go with another skimmer! All I have to say is Reeflo has done it again. I run a snapper on my main return, a super dart on my CL, and now the orca 200 as my skimmer. All of their products are excellent!

Pike614
08/06/2008, 07:23 PM
How does the reeflo orca 250 compare with the reeflo 250 and the reeflo pro?

JRaquatics
08/06/2008, 08:06 PM
Orca 250 and the reeflo 250 are the same thing. The reeflo 250 pro is the same body but also comes with the upgrade cup and needle wheel for advanced performance.

Eric the half-bee
08/06/2008, 08:12 PM
I've got a Euroreef RC500 on my 400 gal and it works well.

Pike614
08/06/2008, 09:24 PM
OK, Thanks JR. I was hoping to find a skimmer that I could use IN my sump for peace of mind in case of any overflow. Looks like this is external....do you know of any way to mod this for in sump use?

JRaquatics
08/06/2008, 10:20 PM
Reeflos can only be ran externally

Pike614
08/07/2008, 08:35 AM
OK, then do I need to have it fed the water from my sump with a pump...a mag for example? Or, so I feed it off the drain from my display to my sump?

JRaquatics
08/07/2008, 08:46 AM
You can feed the Reeflo or any external skimmer from your overflows, a pump out of your sump or off of your return pump (via manifold).

Pike614
08/07/2008, 08:51 AM
Thanks JR, I'd have to put a "T" in my overflow drain then, put a ball valve inline to control the flow into the skimmer, and have the rest of the water flow into the sump bypassing the skimmer. Should work. My only hang-up is the cost...I can get an ASM G6 used for $400, the Reeflo is $1000 used.....is is really worth double the money? Or will an ASM, do a decent job for a medium bioload......

JRaquatics
08/07/2008, 09:08 AM
Without a doubt in my mind the Reeflo is worth more than twice the $. Better performance, way better built, newer technology, way better pump + external so less heat introduced into the tank, recirculating design and gives you more sump space and water volume. If you plan on getting one used I would make sure it has a Baldor motor or find out if you can upgrade with sequence for a Baldor. AO smith motors were originally used on the Dart pumps and found to get really hot and noisy.

LOTUS50GOD
08/07/2008, 09:14 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12763042#post12763042 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tom obrecht
They are made to order. You will need to call to get a quote. Here is the site.
http://www.aquaticacrylics.com/

Their site appears to be having coding issues.

Pike614
08/14/2008, 05:02 PM
Great, looks like I am set on the reeflo orca 250. Thanks for the advice! I'll be able to plumb this above my sump so that in the case it does overflow somehow....I am still safe! At this point I think I'll feed it from an overflow. Anyone know about how many GPH the skimmer should get?

tangers
08/14/2008, 08:24 PM
You will not be disappointed!

Pike614
08/27/2008, 09:59 PM
OK, Got the new reeflo 250 today! Wow, this thing is a beast, built rock solid. As I suspected from reading a few posts, the instructions were pretty simple....but my skimmer seems to have another port on it that is not mentioned in the instructions. I have the input port, the output port, and then on the back side, there is another port of some sort that came with a valve.....maybe an aditional overflow of some sort? Anyone know what that port is for?

CMcNeil
08/27/2008, 10:08 PM
i think its a drain.

JRaquatics
08/27/2008, 10:19 PM
It is used to drain the skimmer for maintenance and such.

Pike614
08/28/2008, 08:15 AM
OK! It was not even poictured on the model that was reviewed here in RC, so I was not sure! Thanks guys!

JRaquatics
08/28/2008, 09:31 AM
CV had the drain valves installed on the 2nd generation of Reeflo 250s. A very nice addition IMO.

LCD
08/29/2008, 12:41 AM
Great choice going with the Reeflo 250. If you are worried about overflows still you should look at getting this http://www.reefspecialty.com/reef-specialty-auto-shutoff-large-waste-collector-p-240.html
I had one overflow before I bought this but no problems since. It is a great item for peace of mind. Also it is easy to clean out since your Reeflo will be pulling a ton of skimmate.

Pike614
08/29/2008, 07:33 AM
LCD, Thanks for the information. From the looks of it though, this would only prevent an overflow if you were feeding the skimmer with a pump. Mine will be gravity fed from the overflows in my tank. If the return pump fails, the water just drains into my sump/skimmer.

JRaquatics
08/29/2008, 01:58 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13251221#post13251221 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pike614
LCD, Thanks for the information. From the looks of it though, this would only prevent an overflow if you were feeding the skimmer with a pump. Mine will be gravity fed from the overflows in my tank. If the return pump fails, the water just drains into my sump/skimmer.

The auto shutoff mentioned above would in deed keep your skimmer from overflowing. The idea is to shut off the skimmer pump not the feed. What ever you utilize to feed the skimmer is not the cause of the overflow it is the skimmer pump that produces the air that needs to be shut off in case the skimmer goes nuts. This Shutoff unit is what I use on my setup, works great and saves lives.:D

Crazy One
08/30/2008, 12:39 AM
Tagging along for the great info. I was thinking about going with this same skimmer for my setup.

Pike614
08/30/2008, 07:08 AM
I have placed the skimmer above my sump in a way that will basically mean if the skimmer overflows, the overflow will just go back into the sump....the sump has an overflow drain...so I think I am covered, although if I do have any issues...I'll get one of those overflow switches!

LCD
08/30/2008, 06:26 PM
The overflow switch also helps as it shuts off your skimmer instead of just washing the gunk from the cup back into your sump.

LCD
08/30/2008, 06:33 PM
Also my skimmer did overflow and flood my basement a few days after I hooked it up. Then I bought the colletcion cup with the shut off. I only had one overflow after that and was glad to have the collection cup as I didnt have extra salt water made at the time. I dont think you really have to worry too much about overflowing after it breaks in. at least I haven't had any more trouble with mine. Even after I give it a good cleaning it doesn't go crazy. I have noticed that when I do a water change it wants to overflow but now I leave it off for a hour or two after I do this and there are no problems.

Untamed12
08/30/2008, 11:59 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13257457#post13257457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pike614
I have placed the skimmer above my sump in a way that will basically mean if the skimmer overflows, the overflow will just go back into the sump....the sump has an overflow drain...so I think I am covered, although if I do have any issues...I'll get one of those overflow switches!

I would like to see a photo of that installation because I'm thinking of doing something similar. I might replace my in-sump skimmer...but "in sump" is the only place I can fit one! Above-sump might be a good compromise.

Pike614
08/31/2008, 07:26 AM
Stuill working on the sump room, so it'll be a little bit before I am ready to place the skimmer in there. I'll post some pics when I get to that point.

Pike614
09/01/2008, 12:17 AM
Hey JR, can you post the link to the Reeflo 250 club on here. I found it once, now can't find it again!
Thanks!

tangers
09/01/2008, 08:23 AM
Here it is, this will take you to the last page. Lot of info if you scroll back. The thread has already been split!
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=13256675#post13256675