Humane way to "put down" a fish?

[Phillybean]

Topic says it all. I had to put down my yellow tang today. He was beyond help despite my attempts and I could tell he was in agony. I put him in a half gallon Tupperware and put him in the freezer. I thought this was the best way. When I told a fellow reefer, they were shocked. They stated the blood freezes before the fish dies and it suffers a great deal because of this. He said the best way is to put him in a bag and "smash" his head with a hammer. The fish dies fast and never knows what "hit" him (bad pun).

Whats your opinion?

[fish4lyfe]

The past is irresversible and what has been done is done. On the other hand your friend was very correct, and should of waited for a response from a fellow reefer.

~keaton

[mrpenguin]

Flush him down the toilet !! I am sure the fresh water and chemicals in there will kill him pretty quick, thats if you do not want to smash his head in with a hammer.

[abulgin]

Power drill bit through the eyeball.

[Logzor]

We when canoing/camping in the Quetico we do the same, bash the fishes head on a rock then fillet it...

A quick death is probably the best option, I would rather get hit by a snipers bullet and not even know it than get stuck in a freezer to die!

[mrpenguin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151172#post13151172 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Power drill bit through the eyeball.

Trying to get information out of him ? ...

[FutureBoyGenius]

blender

[Semper Fi 1959]

2 LFS's in my area put them in the freezer when they can tell the fish won't make it. From what they say 'it's humane'. I guess the cold slows down their heart and functions...I don't know.

I wouldn't be able to smash my fish's head in though. That's like saying your dog is old so you might as well go out and hit him in the head with a hammer. No, you bring him to the vet and they euthenize (spelling?) the dog. The freezer is the equivelent. ??

[mrpenguin]

Are they not cold blooded ? meaning they dont feel pain ??

[IronOctagon]

Yea I work at a LFS, and we use the freezer method too. Seems to be the most peaceful way for 'em to go.

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151180#post13151180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrpenguin
Trying to get information out of him ? ...

No, when I want to find out who knocked over my frags, I use a drill bit to the anus until they spill the beans.

[tufacody]

Oh man I can't get this image out of my head. I keep a billy club in my boat for whackin out Northerns, but I just can't see that on a yellow tang. Oh man, I must be sick, because this made me laugh for a long time.

Dude, just flush it.

[IronOctagon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151264#post13151264 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mrpenguin
Are they not cold blooded ? meaning they dont feel pain ??

I remember reading something saying that as far as we know, fishes are physiologically unable to feel pain. But I'm pretty sure theres a lot of cold blooded animals that do, like reptiles.

[widmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151124#post13151124 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fish4lyfe
The past is irresversible and what has been done is done. On the other hand your friend was very correct, and should of waited for a response from a fellow reefer.

~keaton

pseudoscience will be the death of me. How on earth would you know their blood freezes before they die? I need to know how this was measured.... If anything, the unnatural cold would IMO slow and/or disable neural activity so that they become numb before general cellular processes stop and they die.

In the freezer gets my vote.

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151265#post13151265 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IronOctagon
Yea I work at a LFS, and we use the freezer method too. Seems to be the most peaceful way for 'em to go.

Are you guys insane/serious? Putting a fish in the freezer? Trust me, they suffocate long before they freeze.

Why not lay it on the sidewalk? The sun will surely cook it dead.

Just put it in a bucket and pour in some bleach water. Talk about a quick death. Or, since you work at a fish store, you can use some of the $2 Euthanase that you sell. "A simple, two-stage process puts your fish into a deep sleep, while the second dose administers the final passing. The responsible way to say goodbye to your aquarium fish. Not to be administered in the main aquarium." 20 minutes later, dead fish. Or, bucket of bleach and 10 seconds later . . .

[IronOctagon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151311#post13151311 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Are you guys insane/serious? Putting a fish in the freezer? Trust me, they suffocate long before they freeze.

Why not lay it on the sidewalk? The sun will surely cook it dead.

Just put it in a bucket and pour in some bleach water. Talk about a quick death. Or, since you work at a fish store, you can use some of the $2 Euthanase that you sell. "A simple, two-stage process puts your fish into a deep sleep, while the second dose administers the final passing. The responsible way to say goodbye to your aquarium fish. Not to be administered in the main aquarium." 20 minutes later, dead fish. Or, bucket of bleach and 10 seconds later . . .

In a bag with water of course. I thought that was implied heh.

[abulgin]

"The world's foremost expert on the subject is Dr. James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming. He's spent 30 years working on questions of neurology, examining data on the responses of animals to painful stimuli. In 2003 Rose published a landmark study in the journal Reviews of Fisheries Science, concluding that animals need specific regions of the cerebral cortex in order to feel pain. And fish do not have them."

but see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2983045.stm

[Kigs]

This is such a weird thread.

[BuddhaKiss]

Just can't see myself bashing my fish over the head with a hammer...regardless if its more humane. Don't think I could ever do it.

I've got a python and was told the most humane way to feed it was to grab a mouse by the tail, swing it, and whack its head against a table to instantly kill it...more humane than just throwing it in. I tried it once but didn't do it hard enough, poor guy was running around in circles in convulsions. After that, I just toss em in.

[abulgin]

Put the fish in a bag and wrap the bag around the tail pipe of your car. The fish slowly goes to sleep and dies. Takes about 10 minutes. No bashing, no drill bits, no bleach in the gills. Just good old carbon monoxide. Or, if you don't have a car, just take a knife and cut its head off like you would do to a fish you caught. Instant death

[widmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151311#post13151311 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Are you guys insane/serious? Putting a fish in the freezer? Trust me, they suffocate long before they freeze.

Why not lay it on the sidewalk? The sun will surely cook it dead.



You're kidding, right? How do you know a fish suffocates before it "freezes". And what exactly is the mechanism of the fish dieing on the sidewalk (if it isn't suffocation)?

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151460#post13151460 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by widmer
You're kidding, right? How do you know a fish suffocates before it "freezes". And what exactly is the mechanism of the fish dieing on the sidewalk (if it isn't suffocation)?

Well, whenever I throw a fish on the sidewalk, I also use a magnifying glass to burn a hole right through the head.

Yes . . I was kidding . . .

However, I can guaranty that it would take a lot longer for a fish to freeze than it would to suffocate. As someone who has fished all my life and seen plenty of fish thrown in the cooler, I can tell you with some degree of confidence that a fish out of water will die in about 10 minutes. Of course, if you put the fish in a bag of water and THEN put it in the freezer, I guess the fish would just slow down and die . . . I guess this is humane.

I find it a little ironic that a guy who throws live mice in a snake pit is worried about whether he's humanely killing fish.

These are fish, people. Yes we love our fish, but they ain't the family dog . . .

[gh0st]

After years of fish keeping, the best, quickest, and cheapest way to put down a fish is as follows:

Get a Bucket of the coldest water you can get.
Fill the bucket with an equal amount of ice.
Let the Ice water bucket sit for about 5-10 minutes.
Throw in the unfortunate fish.

The temp shock kills them as close to instantly as you can get. We are talking a fraction of a second here. It's clean, and it's fast.

The freezer takes forever to kill them, I've checked on them after an hour and still seen gill and eye movement. Smashing them is just gory and morbid, and everything else is impractical or expensive.

[Phillybean]

I agree, however here is how I look at it.

This fish, was captured from it's natural habitat. Not to eat it, but it look at it. Some where along the lines, someone messed up. The wholesaler? LFS? Me? Prolly some blame to go around to everyone. Now this fish, although might not be able to feel pain, is messed up. He is going to die. Whether or not he feels the pain, I FEEL pain watching him and decide to "finish him".

I can't bash a pet in the head with a hammer to kill it. If you did this to a sick dog, the SPCA would surely come in.

Toilet, well I imagine the fish would freak out and would still be alive going thru the pipes, at least for a few minutes. Take a fish and stick it in a PVC pipe, it freaks out.

Freezer? He just floated/swam in the contain until he stopped moving.

I know this isn't the family dog and studies have shown that fish don't feel pain, however what other senses do they have that can cause trauma? And what of these can be avoided when "putting a fish down". With-out a hammer...or drill to the anus :eek2:

[Phillybean]

Thanks Gh0st, this makes sense and I think will be my new method of choice...if I ever have to do this again :(

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151553#post13151553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gh0st
After years of fish keeping, the best, quickest, and cheapest way to put down a fish is as follows:

Get a Bucket of the coldest water you can get.
Fill the bucket with an equal amount of ice.
Let the Ice water bucket sit for about 5-10 minutes.
Throw in the unfortunate fish.

The temp shock kills them as close to instantly as you can get. We are talking a fraction of a second here. It's clean, and it's fast.

The freezer takes forever to kill them, I've checked on them after an hour and still seen gill and eye movement. Smashing them is just gory and morbid, and everything else is impractical or expensive.

[abulgin]

In all seriousness, while this ice water trick is a good idea, a sharp knife slicing through the spinal column is about as quick as it gets. I guess if you don't want to get your nails dirty, this isn't for you, but for those of us that clean fish and birds it's just like making sushi.

[JJ21]

I think that probably the best way to do it would be to hold said fish and with a very sharp knife cut from right behind the gill plate halfway through the body. Laterally of course. Severs spinal cord to brain. It's all over.

[edwing206]

I remember reading something about clove oil. I think it puts the fish to sleep........forever.

[MarineGirl411]

This has turned very morbid.

[BuddhaKiss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151526#post13151526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin


I find it a little ironic that a guy who throws live mice in a snake pit is worried about whether he's humanely killing fish.



I know right? To be specific, I'm not as much worried about humanely killing a fish (never had to make that decision)...the issue is me actually doing the killing. I have no problem throwing a mouse to my snake...that's natural predation...but have a problem doing the actual killing. Weird I know..

[yellowsubmarine]

hahaha some really funny off color responses in this thread! i've read those studys that say fish don't feel pain and after keeping fish for 20 plus years i wipe my ********with those studies, they feel pain, they feel fear,joy and every other emotion you can slap a name on, some alot moreso than others, depending on the situation i go with the temp shock technique as described a few posts ago

[yellowsubmarine]

p.s. modern science and medical science in general is a total joke,

[widmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151783#post13151783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yellowsubmarine
hahaha some really funny off color responses in this thread! i've read those studys that say fish don't feel pain and after keeping fish for 20 plus years i wipe my @ss with those studies, they feel pain, they feel fear,joy and every other emotion you can slap a name on, some alot moreso than others, depending on the situation i go with the temp shock technique as described a few posts ago

Ageed.

[iceemn360]

Clove oil.... its what public aquariums use

[widmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151791#post13151791 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yellowsubmarine
p.s. modern science and medical science in general is a total joke,

Oops, there goes your credibility, lol.

[yellowsubmarine]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151806#post13151806 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by widmer
Oops, there goes your credibility, lol.
hahha maybe i overstated that a bit... i'll revise it. i have zero faith in medical science and not much more in the other sciences, they couldn't weld butter to toast and take credit for all the alien technology we've been given... {:rollface:

[Tang Salad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151822#post13151822 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yellowsubmarine
hahha maybe i overstated that a bit... i'll revise it. i have zero faith in medical science and not much more in the other sciences, they couldn't weld butter to toast and take credit for all the alien technology we've been given... {:rollface:
Thankfully modern science does not require your faith. ;)

Now, could you please explain how aliens prefer to kill sick fish? :lol:

[yellowsubmarine]

hahaha i'm gonna quit while i'm ahead lol or only slightly behind?

[Peter Eichler]

Beer batter and a fry daddy, they're dead in about 3 seconds! Tartar sauce optional...

[yellowsubmarine]

ooh i just had a great idea, put them in the freezer,then the next time you're mixing up fish food throw them in the blender! with the global warming and energy crisis and all the other nonexistant b.s. science is ramming down our throat that sounds like a real "green" solution to the dying fish problem..lol

[ClownReef®]

I used to work at a LFS..

One time, a HUGE orange shoulder tang was on his way out. He was REALLY big. I caught him with the net.. put him in a regular grocery plastic bag.. tied a know around it..

Walked outside to the dumpster and i slammed it against the metal as hard as i could. Three quick slams.. they i tossed the bag in the dumpster.

The job was done:

1- I did NOT get to see the fish guts everywhere..
2- I can guarantee the fish did not feel a thing.

So that is my method. Whenever a fish is on its way out. I plastic bag him.. and slam it against a wall as hard as i can. Then humanely (LOL) dispose of the bag..

Please dont flush them down the toilet. More often than not, the fish will be alive for a while.. swimming in crap and pee.

Best,

Your friendly neighborhood Dr. Death..LOL

[iceemn360]

ouch. hm im not sure if that fish is going to feel nothing if it needs three hits. lol

[Slakker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151870#post13151870 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yellowsubmarine
ooh i just had a great idea, put them in the freezer,then the next time you're mixing up fish food throw them in the blender! with the global warming and energy crisis and all the other nonexistant b.s. science is ramming down our throat that sounds like a real "green" solution to the dying fish problem..lol

Energy crisis is anything but nonexistent. :rolleyes:

I'm of the "it's not over till it's over" camp. I am not going to kill a fish. Ever. They don't have the proper mechanisms to feel pain, therefore I feel no guilt in continuing to try to save them until they're dead.

And then they find the toilet.

[Musho3210]

i used a sharp pair of kitchen scissors to a little under the head, spinal cord was severed instantaneously. Fish was dead, no sign of life, felt like a POS, slept it off.

Whats the best way to kill a human? Lethal Injection? Hanging? Rotting in prison?

[sundancer]

This thread is going nowhere. Ethics and speculations range wide and far. When I catch a fish for dinner I immediately break its spinal cord just behind the neck. This kills the fish instantly. When I have to kill a pet fish I do as in the earlier post: Put the fish in the plastic bag it came in and slam it agains the garbage can, again killing it instantly. I can't speak for others but my principals concerning gathering and/or killing of life is that we need to do it responsibly: 1)do it quickly whether it's a pet or food. 2)If food,do not waste it. 3)Do not kill for entertainment.

I get real annoyed when my fishing partner(s) catch a fish and they let it flop around in the cooler. I also have a billy club in my boat for those fish too big for the spinal break.

[limitdown]

I've used the knife in the spinal cord method before as well as a wooden club.

If I need to put down a fish in the future, I would do what keepers of Koi do, which is to use clove oil. Clove oil can be bought easily OTC at the pharmacy as people use it to relieve tooth aches. Search for "koi clove oil" on detailed methods of using it.

At lower doses, clove oil will anesthetize your fish, which Koi keepers do if they need to operate on their fish. If you overdose, then your fish will sleep "permanently"

[Mykel Obvious]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151645#post13151645 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BuddhaKiss
I know right? To be specific, I'm not as much worried about humanely killing a fish (never had to make that decision)...the issue is me actually doing the killing. I have no problem throwing a mouse to my snake...that's natural predation...but have a problem doing the actual killing. Weird I know..

It took me a LONG time to get use to bashing a mouse to kill it when feeding snakes... but it is MUCH better for the snake, as I've seen horribly mutilated snakes from having a mouse/rat left in the tank with them if the snake isn't hungry or too close to shed time... mouse gets hungry and munches on snake :shudder: so I learned to suck it up and bash the mouse

As to fish, if I had to do it, I'm thinking knife or bag and bash method will be what I use... knife will be a little harder on me, as these are my pets, not ugly catfish or bass ;)

[kar93]

IMO/E the 2 best ways of putting a fish down are
·A sharp knife down the spinal column
·Get a bowl full of MS222 and leave the fish in there for several hours

Freezing the fish doesn't necessarily freeze the blood but it does affect the capillary blood vessels. The fish would probably be dead before it froze though.

[Saltz Creep]

http://store.wpiinc.com/ProductImages/accessories/guillotines.jpg

[phaedraeos]

I personally use a sharp knife and cut my fish's head off.

Until I see scientific evidence disputing the study posted by abulgin here,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2983045.stm

I'm not going to perform any procedure that might cause pain to my fish, especially in their final moments.

Freezing the fish causes ice crystals to form in its tissues prior to death. I've currently not been able to find any definitive info on whether this procedure does or does not cause the fish to feel "pain." However, since pain is a body's way of saying "don't do this," and fish need to have some sort of physical response to keep them out of potentially lethal situations (such as very cold water), I am just not comfortable doing anything that could potentially initiate and prolong suffering.

[JOSEPHLB]

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/tom06.html

"Preferred Method:

Clove Oil and Tank Water Method

Buy pure clove oil. You can get it at a health food store for under $10 for a ? ounce bottle. Put the fish in a medium sized mixing bowl in his own water from his tank. In a small jar or something with a lid (I use a cleaned out jelly jar) mix the clove oil with tank water. Put the lid on and shake it like crazy over and over until the liquid in it is white. Then pour a little into the mixing bowl with the fish. Swirl it with your hand. The fish might fight it just a little bit and then slow down. Then pour a little more in and swirl again. He should just go to sleep and appear dead. If he doesn't, try a little more of the clove solution, always shaking very well before an addition to the bowl. When he goes to sleep, leave him in the solution for a good 10 minutes and then put him in a small cup or zip-lock baggie and put him in the freezer. Pain free death. Very humane. We should all go so easily.


Clove Oil and Vodka DON'T USE!!!!

The clove oil and vodka method is often sited as a humane method of fish euthanasia. Clove oil (eugenol) is used as an anesthetic in fish for surgery. The vodka is used to disperse the clove oil in the water. The clove oil/vodka mixture is placed in water and then the fish is added and supposedly dies peacefully. This doesn't work! Use the clove oil and tank water method described above.

I believed, after hearing about a betta struggling and thrashing when placed in the clove oil/vodka bath (IN WATER), that there must be a better way.

Other Methods

Tricaine Methanosulfate (TMS)

Another method I was told about is another fish anesthetic called Tricaine Methanosulfate (TMS). One gram of TMS in one liter of water makes a bath that will put the fish to death peacefully. I haven?t tried this, so I can?t personally recommend it.

Freezer Method
An old and still widely used method of fish euthanasia is to place the fish in a container of its own tank water and place it in the freezer. I have done this, but have never been completely comfortable with it.

Using a knife
Slice the fish right behind the gills. Cut all the way through and take the fish?s head off. Quick and painless, if you can do it.

Slamming
Net the fish and slam them hard against the floor, a wall or a countertop. An alternative, and not quite as traumatic to the fish owner would be to place the fish in a bag before slamming. I don?t believe this would work very well with very small fish as their lack of weight may make this method ineffective.

In the end, I believe the most humane way to euthanize a fish is with the clove oil and tank water method. I have used it myself and can verify that it is quick, humane and apparently painless."

[Macimage]

I keep a bottle of Euthanase on hand in case of emergency. However, I've always left any sick fish by themselves in my 29 gallon qt tank to die peacefully. But there may be a day I feel the Euthanase may be necessary.

The clove oil and water sounds like a humane method if you don't have any Euthanase on hand.

Joyce

[kar93]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13153464#post13153464 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Macimage
I've always left any sick fish by themselves in my 29 gallon qt tank to die peacefully.

Joyce

Now that, IMO is the humane way.

[jleichtman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151216#post13151216 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Semper Fi 1959
2 LFS's in my area put them in the freezer when they can tell the fish won't make it. From what they say 'it's humane'. I guess the cold slows down their heart and functions...I don't know.

Second that for the freezer (Or 13th by now)

[WinnipegDragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13152115#post13152115 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mykel Obvious
It took me a LONG time to get use to bashing a mouse to kill it when feeding snakes... but it is MUCH better for the snake, as I've seen horribly mutilated snakes from having a mouse/rat left in the tank with them if the snake isn't hungry or too close to shed time... mouse gets hungry and munches on snake :shudder: so I learned to suck it up and bash the mouse

As to fish, if I had to do it, I'm thinking knife or bag and bash method will be what I use... knife will be a little harder on me, as these are my pets, not ugly catfish or bass ;)

You guys really need to get your snakes on Froze/Thawed. Easy to do, no trauma, and most places use CO2 to kill their frozen feeders. Humane all the way around, and no risk to your snakes from live feeders. Both my Jungle Carpet Python and Grey Banded Kingsnake take F/T with no problems. Even picky eaters like Ball Pythons can be brought around to F/T with a little effort.

As for fish, I always froze them. Now I clove oil, and then freeze in case my dose is too low.

[JustinReef]

I dont know if it has been mentioned already because I didn't want to read through all the ridiculous replies but clove oil and THEN freezing then fish would be the most humane IMO. Clove oil will put them to sleep and then the freezer will put them down. I have used clove oil as an anesthetic when trimming my puffers teeth and its great stuff. I only use enough to put them partially to sleep since I want them to wake up again but you would just need to use a little more to put them right out.

[ClownReef®]

WHAT!? Ridiculous answers?!?! WHERE?!

Although...im diggin' the drill through the anus idea.. Ill use it next time i gotta put a fish down..

[THE GIMP]

Here Kitty Kitty!!!!

[maharkona]

Putem in the microwave. Use the popcorn setting. Game ova!

[lewismw]

what about a car battery and some jumper cables. Attach one set of ends to the battery terminals and the other ends one on each gill? Some consider this humane death for humans.....why not for fish? Or for that matter you could make a tiny noose out of fishing line and suspend the fish inches above the water.......

puts an interesting perspective on the methods we use to kill fellow humans......

[ClownReef®]

Ok..how about this..

Drill to the anus while you spray the gills with battery acid..

Anybody??






This thread has become "Hostel".. So no more weird killing methods..

I think we've established which ones are the most humane..

[kar93]

[chimp]

Clove oil or slicing behinds the head still working for me. :D

[Tswifty]

Step 1. Get baseball bat

Step 2. Have friend toss fish

Step 3. Hit into nosey neighbor's new Mercedes

Step 4. Walk away

[kar93]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13155440#post13155440 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
Step 1. Get baseball bat

Step 2. Have friend toss fish

Step 3. Hit into nosey neighbor's new Mercedes

Step 4. PYPONMAWA (pour yellow paint on neighbor's Merc and walk away)

:D

[Tswifty]

:lol:

or there's always the "roman candle method"

Although I would recommend not holding the fish on your crotch.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll128/tswifty8/FailVideo1.gif

[virginiadiver69]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13152362#post13152362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Saltz Creep
http://store.wpiinc.com/ProductImages/accessories/guillotines.jpg
This thread isn't about castration. :eek:

[abulgin]

Whatever you do, save the fish and turn it into a diamond that you can wear forever. That way, you can always remember your loved one.

http://www.lifegem.com/

[surfjeepzx]

I read through the entire thread and found most of it to be pretty funny.

That being said, "putting a fish down" to me would be simply feeding it to my Anemone. I've fished my entire life and think nothing of terminating the life of a fish. Even my long term tank mates that have come to the end of their life get fed to the nem, or flushed, or tossed in the trash.

I enjoy them while they're with me and move them on when the time is due. It's not being cold or ruthless, it's the life of a fish.

[abulgin]

Right, if God didn't want us to eat torture fish, he wouldn't have made aquariums.

[Mykel Obvious]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13155719#post13155719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Whatever you do, save the fish and turn it into a diamond that you can wear forever. That way, you can always remember your loved one.

http://www.lifegem.com/

:confused:

Ok, now THAT is just twisted :eek:

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13156102#post13156102 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mykel Obvious
:confused:

Ok, now THAT is just twisted :eek:

I wear my shorthaired pointer on my right pinky and my left ring finger is reserved for my wife.

[BuddhaKiss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13155719#post13155719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Whatever you do, save the fish and turn it into a diamond that you can wear forever. That way, you can always remember your loved one.

http://www.lifegem.com/

That gets my vote

[ospouh]

just give them to your cat.

[TXAlbert]

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone ever tried lynching the little suckers? or cremating them, if that is a better word

[kar93]

So, if we dont want to freeze them we can burn them alive? I don't think lynching is the right word, we aint Barzini's :D.

[TXAlbert]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13161402#post13161402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kar93
we aint Barzini's :D.

:lol: speak for yourself :lol: lmao

[Slakker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13156530#post13156530 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
I wear my shorthaired pointer on my right pinky and my left ring finger is reserved for my wife.

So...you're saying you're going to put your wife down and have her made into a diamond?

This plan is flawless.

[TXAlbert]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13161652#post13161652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
So...you're saying you're going to put your wife down and have her made into a diamond?

This plan is flawless.

This may be a flawless plan, but is it humane enough? :confused:

[sk8rreefgeek]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r41/karlkidd/wood20chipper201b.jpg

before you get the diamond made, be sure to contact the star-registry, and have a star named after the fish. then, they can really live on. A wise choice for the $$$

[sk8rreefgeek]

on a serious note tho, I don't think the freezer is a bad idea. the fish would die pretty quickly.

Op- sorry dude, sucks to lose a fish.

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13161652#post13161652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
So...you're saying you're going to put your wife down and have her made into a diamond?

This plan is flawless.

Well, if the time ever comes to put her down, I'll make sure I either use Euthanase or put her in a ziplock bag of tank water and throw her in the freezer.

[SmknReefer]

I really hope your wife doesn't see this, for your sake. I think you already having a plan makes it premeditated. Anyone ever think of that??

If you are actually planning out a detailed attack on the fishes, you can no longer plea temporary insanity. Just make sure all was done in self defense.....

[greenbean36191]

There are laboratory regulations for what methods are acceptable or unacceptable for putting down test animals. For fish, the preferred methods are overdose of anesthetic such as clove oil or MS222, or severing the spinal cord. Some panels will list freezing as an acceptable method and some will list it as less preferred. It's almost always considered acceptable though. Smashing is almost always considered unacceptable.

With freezing, the fish is unconscious long before their blood freezes. They're cold blooded and their physiological processes slow down with temperature, including the transmission of neurological signals.

The question of whether fish feel pain is a silly one. Of course they feel pain. No, they might not have the centers used to feel pain as we do, but pain is simply a response to a negative stimulus. It the body's response to keep us from doing things that cause damage. Regardless of where it's processed or how they feel it, all animals that have the ability to respond to negative stimuli feel pain.

[szwab]

Let's end this one on a good note

thread closed.