View Full Version : Show off your Eels

08/17/2008, 04:09 PM
Hello all. I have always loved morays and all eels for that matter. I especially have gained more interest in them after I finally got my Hawaiian Dragon. I see many threads pertaining to eels lately. So I thought I would start a thread about them. Pics are important, but more importantly try and give your experience with your eel, i.e. aggression towards fish and other eels, size, feeding, etc., etc. Still wanna see pics with the type of eel you have. Can't wait to see the pics and information you have about your eel. Thanks, Tim

08/17/2008, 06:52 PM
Okay, okay. I know you guys have some great shots and great experience with keeping eels that many can learn from. I just saw some amazing shots of a big Brazilian Dragon that was raised from a small guy. Think many can learn from experiences like that. Sorry to cal you out. :). So I will begin. When i git back into the hobby about two years ago my fiance wanted an eel. Imagine that??!!! Anyway I got a SFE which she licked and the tank was new so I bought a earthworm size moray. i recommend this moray for any newbie. Amazing eel. Hardy as can be. Eats with no problem. Usually very passive. Though they can be a bit aggressive when really hunger and mistakenly bight other tank mates, which usually does little or no harm. A great looking eel for about as cheap as you can get a fish. Don't have any pics of him as a baby, just some recent ones with other eels.

Next I got a G. Meletremus, Dwarf Banana eel. IMO, the best eel for a reef or community FO tank. Super docile and only get at max 12". They can be a bit finicky to eat at first and from time to time. They were very expensive a couple of years ago, 300.00+. They have come down in price considerable. Some are available on the web for about 100.00. i decided to sell mine because of the other eels I was planning on getting and the other large fish i got. They have been known to live for over 5 years in captivity as well. Here are some pics of my old Meletremus. Still happily living in a 30 gallon reef with Bangai cardinals and small gobies.


Next I acquired Gym. Millaris, or Goldentail Moray. Great eel for the beginner, which only gets about 24" max. A really colorful eel which has many different color variations. i personally like the mostly gold with black accents, which I have. They come in an all gold variation from Brazil that is amazing and almost looks fake. Hopefully someone will post this variation. This eel eats everything and anything. He eats NLS pellets, algae sheets, and anything else that is in the tank. Very passive toward other fish and eels in the tank, even more than the SFE. Has been far more active lately after introducing the new Dragon. Swims around all the time. Here are some pics of the Goldentail. I will post pics of my other eel later. So please let me see your eels. Tim

08/17/2008, 07:42 PM
Not mine yet, but I go to pick him up tomorrow. A 32" Brazilian Dragon Moray.


I am thinking about getting a dwarf golden eel for my 37g cube. Have the eel and a dwarf lionfish in a refugium type setting with different macroalgaes. Nice eels btw, do you still have the SFE and the GTM? In with the dragon?

08/17/2008, 07:54 PM
yes all together for now. Can't wait to see tour new Dragon. Looks like a beauty!!! Tim

08/17/2008, 08:34 PM
I'll play :).

<b>Eel 1: Dwarf Moray</b> (Gymnothorax melatremus)

As covered by Myerst, they only get 12" and are probably the best candidate for a "community eel". Very hardy and non-aggressive fish. In the 3 years I've had her (I always manage to buy eels just before they go down in price... So sad) she's only eaten a breeding pair of pistol shrimp. She was in my 155g display tank for 2.5 years and did fine. Some people recommend against keeping them in large tanks because they'll get "lost", but I had no problem. Sometimes it's fun to play hide and seek with your fish anyway lol. I moved her into my 29g sump 8 months ago, and I've noticed no decline in health or change in habits. This eel doesn't need tons of space. She is currently housed with a 1" black ocellaris clownfish down there and shows no interest in eating him. Would be good in a peaceful community tank, or even a semi-aggressive fish tank. Non-aggressive to other eels as well.

Once again I agree with Myerst that they're finicky eaters. Mine is pretty picky at times. For example, she won't go near salmon. She hates the taste/smell. She also isn't too fond of tuna, but she'll eat it if she's really hungry. Mine also won't eat octopus. If your dwarf doesn't eat one food, try something else. It may not be that it's off feed, but rather you're not offering food it likes. However, they do go off feed like any other eel sometimes. Mine will only eat once a week.


She got sick, I believe after a year of having her, and lost all of her color. She recovered on her own, but she's been white ever since. I'm pretty sure it was the zoas she was living under that did it...


<b>Eel 2: Goldentail Moray</b> (Gymnothorax miliaris)

Very peaceful eel. Had mine for just shy of 2 years, and he never acted out aggressively to any fish. Peaceful to other eels, too. It often shared a cave with my much smaller dwarf eel. Mine was easily frightened by tank mates, though. If the other fish kept trying to steal food from him, he'd retreat into the rocks and not eat for a couple weeks afterward.

Growth is moderately fast. Mine grew from 16" to about 24" in the span of a year or so.

Although he was peaceful, smaller fish would get eaten. Some fish would just disappear. One day I witnessed the eel snap up my pylei fairy wrasse, so beware. Fish too big to swallow whole were left completely alone.

It's a thick bodied eel, so it's one that needs space. A 75g would suffice as a minimum if filtration is adequate, imo.


(Excuse the algae. The tank was having hard times with red turf algae back then. The WORST algae I've ever had to deal with!)

<b>Eel 3: Brazilian Dragon Moray</b> (<i>probably</i> Muraena pavonina)

Not certain on the max size, but I would guess it doesn't get much larger than 3 feet.

It's a very fast grower, ime, but I've fed him a lot to keep him from hunting tank mates. If I kept him alone, I wouldn't feed so much. I got him on January 3rd, 8 months ago, at 17". Today he is 30-32" and really thick. Very big fish, and very beautiful.

It's aggressive towards other eels in that it will take caves by force, and try to intimidate others with posturing. It never actually bit the other eels, though. He's not aggressive towards other fish unless he perceives them as food during or around feeding time. Keep it well fed. They're very aggressive eaters and not finicky in the slightest. Feeding can be tricky at first- just know that you have to be fast. Watch how the eel eats and learn from it. I do not recommend this fish for someone who has never kept an eel before.

Mine isn't shy, and if you want an eel you'll definitely see, this is a good choice. When it's not hungry it's a lazy eel that just hangs out with 1/3-1/2 its body exposed from the rockwork. Not afraid of other fish or people walking by.

A 120g would be okay as a minimum if you keep it lightly stocked.

8 months ago:

You can see part of his tail is even on the sand.


08/17/2008, 08:43 PM
that tusk looks like it could be lunch..... Tim

08/17/2008, 08:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13174982#post13174982 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
that tusk looks like it could be lunch..... Tim

The saddest part is he's big lol. He's a good 8-9". Fortunately he dominates the eel. He's the only fish who's successfully taken food right from the eel's mouth. Not a nice guy, and while the eel isn't actually scared of the tusk, he knows not to mess with the tusk anymore like he did in the beginning.

08/17/2008, 08:56 PM
You guys are making me REALLY want to get a goldentail! Unfortunately, I just don't have room. One of these days, I'll have to pull the zebra moray and black tip grouper out of the 210 and find them homes, as it is.

Sorry I don't have any pics yet. My tank shots never come out looking good and I don't take the time to work at it. I'll try, in the next week or so, to get some pics posted.

BTW, LukFox, thanks for your input/experience/recommendations with your eels. I don't have experience with your other species, but you really nailed it with the BDM. Everything you wrote is consistent with my understanding of this species.

08/17/2008, 08:59 PM
Here is my pride and joy. A fish I have wanted since I was about 8 years old when I first saw one in person and was quite scared actually. The one I saw as a kid was about 30" and had teeth that reminded me of the charachters I saw in the comics I read. So in the past 6 months i was in pursuit of the smallest Hawaiian or Japanese Dragon Moray I could find. i was able to find larger specimens easily, 18"+. i wanted something around 12", 15" max. i finally got one from a friend in HI, 13".

Not the same family as the dragon above. This dragon is Enchelymore pardalis. They are very heavy bodied and get almost 3'. Known to be difficult to feed. Mine took a week to eat. Finally took fresh tuna chunks. Notoriously aggressive, but from those who I have talked with this may not always be the case. If brought up from a young age on "dead" foods, they are less likely to strike out on other tank mates. Unfortunately one strike can cause severe damage with these guys. So far zero aggression what so ever. Colors of Japanese Dragons are known to be more vibrant as well as males are more colorful. My guy is from HI and i am told it is a male. Not sure if you can really tell the sex at this age or any age for that matter. Tim


08/17/2008, 09:12 PM
Love the Hawaiian Dragon morays! Beautiful colors! I'd love to get one, but the price tags are a bit too high for me unfortunately.

08/17/2008, 09:18 PM
Don't have any pics of my current eel, but right now I'm keeping a banded moray - E. polyzona that still has its juvie pattern. It crawled out of the tank through a .25"-.5" opening the first night I had it and was on the floor for an estimated 5hrs +. Overcame it all but didn't eat for almost four weeks. Now eats anything - krill, shrimp, squid, clam, mysis, prime reef, etc. I always feed with a stick or target feed with a baster. Acts pretty much like a snowflake but a bit more shy. I keep it with a red coris and it pays the wrasse no attention - I also have a multitude of hermits and snails in the tank that aren't bothered. Not too many people keeping banded morays, so I don't really know when of if her pattern will change. She is probably 15-18" and shows no sign of changing. Hopefully I can get a pic next time I'm home. I'm also planning on adding a goldentail to the tank when I find a nice one. :)

08/18/2008, 12:22 AM
nice pics. i want to post pics of my hawaiian dragon moray mated pairs but i am having trouble uploading them!!

08/18/2008, 08:17 AM
Best way to show pictures is to set up a photobucket account. photobucket.com. Then after upload the photos to photobucket and can view them on their site, you will different img. codes below your pictures. Copy and paste the img code under the picture. The last address under the picture. Hope this helps. Tim

08/18/2008, 08:18 AM
Hey Ian what ever happened with that incident with that guy and your fish???? Tim

08/18/2008, 08:20 AM
Do any of you keep cleaner shrimp with your piscivorous eels? Tim, do you have any with your dragons? Just curious, but it would be so awesome to see some dragons with cleaners in their mouths going to work. :)

08/18/2008, 09:03 AM
Yes I have been considering getting some cleaners but my Crosshatch and Tinker's crush ghost shrimp. I may get a couple of skunk cleaners and put them in a critter pen so they can look at them for a while and maybe accept the shrimp. Tim

08/18/2008, 02:57 PM
I'm at work now so can't post a pic - my Gymnothorax Undulatus was about 15-18" when i got him. That was over 18 years ago. He is now about 4' long and the diameter of my upper arm. I feed him an assortment of marine fish fillets from the seafood counter at krogers. He especiall likes the Ocean Perch. He'll eat 2 or 3 hand sized fillets about every 3 weeks or so. I have tried several times to keep other fish with him, but...................HE EATS THEM ALL!!! huge yellow tang? lunch
18" emperor snapper - tasty dinner golden puffer 12" midnight snack

His name is HANNIBAL

The only critters i can keep with him are large hermits, brittle stars, and very small mean fish that didn't work out so well in my "happyfish" tank. He also lives with several skunk cleaner shrimp - they are all over him pretty much all the time. It's about as cool as it gets to watch one crawl into his mouth (my what big teeth you have...) only to pop out a gill opening a short while later. I would eventually like to convert his tank into a reef tank with SPS and clams, but he may very well outlive me! Yes - he's escaped several times - once for so long he was literally stiff! I plopped him into the tank, and went to work. When i got home you never would have known he was out. The only side effect from that was a hunger strike that lasted about 6 months.

08/18/2008, 03:19 PM
wow I can't wait to see that. Congrats on a great job keeping any animal alive that especially a marine fish where there are so many different things that can cause them to lose him that are out of your controls. If you do in fact convert that tank to an sps tank, you have one very nicely cycled tank!!!! Got to see this eel. Can you put your hand in the tank? I had a Tessy that big that would destru hand held algae scrubbers in half. Tim

08/18/2008, 03:26 PM
Wow I can't wait to see it!

08/18/2008, 03:54 PM
Sweet new shots Tim! I love your new guy:)

08/18/2008, 05:53 PM

well - maybe i did, and maybe i didn't...post a picture that is. we'll see

and yes, i can put my hands in the tank (after he's well fed!!!)

08/18/2008, 05:57 PM

08/18/2008, 05:58 PM
wow - it worked! that'll never happen again! lol

did i mention that bill gates is the DEVIL???

08/18/2008, 06:08 PM
This is Dubbin1's spotted snake eel.


08/18/2008, 07:01 PM
PLEASE more shots of that monster undulated!!!! Could you answer those questions I asked above when you get a chance. That eel is one mean looking SOB. Well I am going to post Bluedevils Dragons. He is dealing with that storm down in FL, hopefully everyone has no problems with their family and their fish!!! So here are pics of his big boy Dragons. Tim

08/18/2008, 07:12 PM
That undulated eel is sweet! Love the pose with the shrimp too. Great view of the teeth as well.

Very cool snake eel as well...how hardy are those?

Tim, are those dragons Hawaiin?

08/18/2008, 07:37 PM
I believe so. He is trying to breed them!!!! Tim

08/18/2008, 08:38 PM
Thanks for posting my pics. Rob is shipping me 2 more dragons later this week after the storm clears. I also might take a 20" yellow mouth from him as well!

08/18/2008, 08:52 PM
If you get a yellowmouth, we have to see pics. Yellowmouths are so sweet...

08/18/2008, 10:51 PM
Finally got my dragon home, the passer let him know who's house he was in. A little tail fanning, but no harm done. They both seem to get along great, well see in due time...


08/18/2008, 11:54 PM
ya the yellow mouth is coming with the dragons later this week after the storm clears here in Tampa. will post some pics asap

btw the yellow mouth is 32" but is pretty slender so it doesn't really look that long.

08/18/2008, 11:55 PM
btw beautiful passer and brazillian dragon!

08/19/2008, 12:07 AM
Thanks! I'm quite happy with the two, can't wait to upgrade to a 240 or so and add a clown trigger and sohal tang! Your dragons are sweet, good luck breeding them, that must be amazing to do!

08/19/2008, 12:27 AM
im hoping the female will lay eggs again and the male will fertilize them. i will have 3 true mated pairs and one odd ball at the end of the week!

08/19/2008, 04:29 AM
the dragons look real sweet, and the goldentail is sharp as all can be great pics

08/19/2008, 07:03 AM
Yellow mouths are a real rarity as well. Very toxic though. Not too aggressive but these eels are notoriously difficult to get to feed. Can't wait to see pics of a yellow mouth. Tim

08/19/2008, 08:21 AM
Wow, three mated pairs of Hawaiian Dragon morays! That's insane! I've never heard of a yellowmouth, can't wait to see pics!

08/19/2008, 09:02 AM
Pep, that eel is sweet! The passer looks nice as well. Got any fts? When you upgrade and add a clown and sohal, that will be one of the nicest tanks around. If you've never seen a yellowmouth, do a search for gymnothorax nudivomer - a truely awesome fish.

Bluedevils, that is really cool you have the mated dragons. Do you have Hawaiin's and dragons? Both locales are Enchelycore pardalis, right? Can you keep a male Japanese with a female Hawaiian or vice versa? How many times have you had egg laying occur?

Great thread.

08/19/2008, 10:40 AM
Thanks group. Sorry, no FTS. The tank is actually at my brothers house. It's just a temp tank for now. I am in the market for a used 180 or bigger, just waiting for one to pop up for sale. Hopefully I can find a 240 and add the trigger and tang, also thought of putting a lunare wrasse into the mix. I'll have to do a search on the yellowmouth eels, sounds cool.

I love that undulated eel, those are some brave cleaner shrimp. I would love to try that with my eel, wonder if it would work?

08/19/2008, 12:33 PM
Grouperhead-- all of my dragons are from Hawaii. Reason being is I have a diver that collects them for me. Japanese and Hawaiian dragon morays should be able to coexist I would think, but I have not tried it...YET! Also the egg laying has only occurred once but like I said there was not a male present to fertilize the eggs.

08/19/2008, 05:21 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13182324#post13182324 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Finally got my dragon home, the passer let him know who's house he was in. A little tail fanning, but no harm done. They both seem to get along great, well see in due time...

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd115/DamnPepShrimp/photo-76.jpg How long have you had your passer you can IM me your email address and I will send you a picture of mines. I have a eel but its had to take a picture of because he was just added to my tank, it is a chestnut viper moray eel when he comes out I will try to get a picture.

08/19/2008, 05:35 PM
Here are a few more of Ian's dragons, bluedevil and one of a pic I took at a LFS. They were calling it a west African Dragon which had a really hefty price tag.

08/19/2008, 06:03 PM
tim....the pair of dragons and the yellow mouth are on the plane now. will be here at noonish tomorrow! will send you pics to post

08/19/2008, 06:19 PM
Sweet...can't wait to see pics of the yellowmouth.

08/19/2008, 06:33 PM
The West African looks like it could be M. melanotis. My LFS had a "West African dragon" on their list and we didn't know what it meant lol.

Gorgeous eels everyone. I never get tired of seeing pictures of eels.

08/19/2008, 06:35 PM
I know there more eel pics out there???? Anyone keeping Kidako??? Tim

08/19/2008, 06:42 PM
ya i want to see a Kidako. that is next on my list of eels to keep!

08/19/2008, 07:00 PM
Are kidako eels only found off the coast of Japan?

08/19/2008, 07:04 PM
Some good news. My new dragon took a week to eat something. It finally ate some fresh yellow fin Tuna I caught myself. I was concerned he would have this finicky upper class diet like this girl who sleeps next to me every night! My dragon took some frozen squid tonight!!! Don't see that girl in bed next to me eating that! He is starting to be more and more pugnacious and eating aggressively. Man I love this eel. You can feel this little guys power when you taunt him with food on a feeding stick. Reminds me of the old 4' Tessy I had back in the day, well not just yet. Tim

08/19/2008, 11:34 PM
ya kidakos are found in japan...they are sometimes found with dragons according to some people i know that have been diving in Japan

08/20/2008, 11:51 AM
Check this video out!!! Tim

08/20/2008, 12:03 PM
Ok...stupid question coming up. How cold of water do Japanese dragons and kidakos like? Being from the Japanese coast, the Pacific there has to be a bit chillier. Just wondering.

08/20/2008, 12:12 PM
No temperature isn't an issue with Japanese Dragons. The Kidakos on the other hand prefer cooler water, but certainly can take almost 80F. They also can be found in water as low as 67F. I keep my tank at 76F, which I think all FO tanks should be kept there. Fish receive more oxygen and their metabolism is slower at lower temps, which puts less stress on the internal organs. Tim

08/20/2008, 02:45 PM
hey everyone
just picked up the dragons. they are doing fine. the yellow mouth on the other hand chewed through the bag multiple times and was doa. :( he bit 5-10 decent size holes through the shipping bags...which is pretty unbelievable. (I wonder what he could do to a hand). Rob is going to catch me another sometime this week and ship him to me in a larger heavy duty bag.

btw one of the dragons is around 10" will have pics soon

08/20/2008, 03:02 PM
Man, bummer on the yellowmouth...hope you can get another soon. Wonder why he bit the bag so much - the only fish I've ever seen do that is triggers.

10" dragon = SWEET!

Looking forward to pics

08/20/2008, 04:05 PM
i don't know why he bit the bag but there were honestly at least 7 mouth sized holes in the bag. there was almost zero water in the bag when i picked it up at continental a couple hours ago. (i picked it up 25 minutes after it got off the plane too)

will get some pics now

08/20/2008, 04:28 PM
Wow a 10" hawaiian! Thats incredible! Didn't think you could find them that small. Sorry about the yellowmouth, hopefully next one will be ok. Are they that aggressive or was he just paranoid being in the bag?

08/20/2008, 04:35 PM
yellow mouth morays are supposedly a fairly docile moray. he probably was just ****ed off about being in a small bag for 12 hours. i wanted to open his mouth and look at his teeth but they are pretty venomous so i decided to just freeze him instead!

08/20/2008, 04:36 PM
also the dragon is very very small. tim will probably post my pics later tonight and you can see how small he is because my 2.5" africanus angelfishes tail is right near his mouth.

08/20/2008, 05:27 PM
Well here you go Ian.

08/20/2008, 05:28 PM
thanks just took quick small pics...it really sucks the yellow mouth didn't make it though :(

08/20/2008, 07:02 PM
my two large dragons were tangled up together wrestling...it was pretty cool!

08/20/2008, 09:16 PM
Here is my old zebra moray. Unfortunately he passed away around 12 months ago.


08/20/2008, 09:21 PM
Wow, gorgeous zebra. Sorry to hear he passed - how long had you had him?

08/20/2008, 09:23 PM
Around 3 years :)

08/20/2008, 10:07 PM
wow. that is a really nice zebra. i love it when morays allow shrimp to clean them. my dragons would eat it before it got half way to the bottom :(

08/21/2008, 08:07 AM
Ian you may want to try and put a couple of cleaner shrimps in a small critter pen. That way the shrimp will begin to "smell" like the tank and the eels will get used to them being there. You have a much higher chance of success this way. Tim

08/21/2008, 08:50 AM
My zebra loved the shrimp, I had around 10 cleaners and where ever the eel was they followed. Here in Australia though my move was quite an expensive one as redline cleaners are usually $100+ unlike you lucky people in the states!

08/21/2008, 09:13 AM
Yes but I bet you can get some really amazing Aussie stuff that costs a fortune here. I'll do without the cleaner shrimp for a Conspic. Tim

08/21/2008, 09:53 AM
man those dragons are escape artists. i have a wood board covering my overflow and he moved it. so today i caught the little bugger out of my overflow and put a 50 gallon bag of salt over the wood board. lets see if he can move that :)

08/21/2008, 01:13 PM
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08/21/2008, 02:00 PM
Ian, love the dragons man! Nice looking clown trig too. Have you tried to feed the little guy yet?

- Bo

08/21/2008, 02:05 PM
ya fed him some fresh shrimp!

08/21/2008, 02:18 PM
Awesome news. In your experience, do dragons usually come around to eating pretty quickly? Do yours ever go on extended fasts?

08/21/2008, 02:41 PM
every dragon that i have ever kept has eaten right away. it also helps that mine are caught and shipped same or next day....so they do not go extended periods of times in holding containers. one thing i do notice is the more dominant eel always eats first and then allows the lesser dominant eel to eat...kinda cool to watch

08/21/2008, 04:45 PM
Nice looking eels everyone!! I've always loved the dragons and might add a pair in the near future. As for now, I only have a Banana Eel which I will try to get pictures of to share with everyone.

Please keep the pictures coming!!

08/21/2008, 04:55 PM
will post some pics of my hawaiian golden dwarf morays soon. I have a mated pair and one small oddball (he is under 6")

08/22/2008, 02:46 PM
here is my little guy!


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08/22/2008, 03:11 PM
For a seconf i thought you came up to NY and stole my Dragon! Tim

08/22/2008, 03:23 PM
lol Tim
are you going to get the conspic from the guy in st pete? i was talking with him about possibly getting it...but we both decided it would be too risky to be put with dragons :(

08/22/2008, 04:09 PM
I need a dragon badly

08/22/2008, 04:21 PM
lol grouper when the time comes ill try to help ya out!

08/22/2008, 05:05 PM
Ian, do you have any pics of the 6" melatremus?

08/22/2008, 06:57 PM
just did a water change in my 12 gallon nano that i keep my mated harlequin shrimp in and found this little bugger i put in over a year ago!

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08/22/2008, 08:10 PM
hey what are trying to do high jack my thread!!!!!!!!! So where is everone elses eels. See,s there are only 4 people with eels on RC???? Tim

08/22/2008, 09:00 PM
sorry tim...:( didnt mean too

08/22/2008, 09:17 PM
I'll have pics of my banded next weekend...no tanks up here to take pics of :(

08/22/2008, 09:20 PM
some night pics since only 4 of us are posting pics!


08/22/2008, 09:40 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually like the color pattern on Hawaiians just as much as Japanese. Does anyone know why the two vary in color so much, or do colors signify sex? Are dragons every collected from Midway, Xmas, or other islands?

08/22/2008, 10:01 PM
While keeping dragons I have noticed that their color darkens over time and they kind of blend into their surroundings. Also I have found there is really no distinguishable difference between a male and female. The way I can tell the difference between sexes is the male is much more dominant and always eats first. I have noticed that the dragons color in the throat and head area becomes more red over time. I feed my dragons fresh shrimp, squid, mahi and tuna filets (just cut them up). I try to vary their diet so maybe one day they will mate :)

Also Dragons have been seen and collected out of Xmas, and Midway according to divers in that region.

08/22/2008, 10:26 PM
Hey Ian i was just playin. about the highjack thing.

As far as color variations. I think that each Dragon is different. I don't think Dragons from japan are prettier than Hawaiian eels. From what i have seen that certain pockets where they are collected. both in Japan and Hawaii have a slight color variation. As Ian said I think it has to do with what the surrounding habitat looks like. If the rock is heavy in Red corraline Algae, than the eel will develop that intense red that seems to be so desirable. I think they are just like Rhinopias and anglers. When you get that amazing bright yellow painted angler, unless you have crazy skill and can grow yellow sponges, then your angler will turn drab. i have seen my Rhinopias do it right before my eyes. Tim

08/22/2008, 11:47 PM
When I had my purple rhinopias frondosa he eventually turned brownish/red because I did not put in him an aquarium with purple coralline algae! I eventually moved him to a reef tank and voila he turned bright purple again!

08/23/2008, 01:08 AM
Ian and Tim, thanks for the info. Interesting how dragons can change color over time to match surrounding habitat.

08/23/2008, 07:01 AM
Ian...I heard through the grape vine that your yellow mouth did not make it...sorry to hear bro...the next time you get one...make sure that whoever packs it puts the Eel in a secure plastic container with soldered holes,then put the container in a quadrupled 3 mil thick ship bag with newspaper lined between bags for extra protection. This will ensure that The Yellowmouth can never bite through the ship bag again....Aloha Les

08/23/2008, 07:09 AM
Man I wish Dragons were available here. How much do they generally go for?

08/23/2008, 07:24 AM
thanks les, hopefully next time rob will have you pack them :)

dragons are probably pretty expensive in australia...due to freight/demand

08/23/2008, 09:51 AM
How much do they generally go for?

Depending on coloration and size I've seen dragons from $400-
$1500 usd

08/23/2008, 10:40 AM
grouper...if you see one for 400 buy it. i have been buying wholesale for years and haven't seen them that cheap!

08/23/2008, 10:49 AM
The one I saw for 400 was about 6 years ago from a wholesaler..Hawaiian about 18" if I remember?

Edit: After thinking about it harder I think it was actually a Brazilian mislabeled as a Hawaiian

08/23/2008, 04:24 PM
Les, how do you know anything about packing fish properly? Ahh man just kidding. By far the best packaged fish EVER have come from Les. For example, who covers shipping prices and then packs a 7 1/2" Black Tang 8 gallons of water. Yes 8 gallons of water. Could barely get the box through the door!!! Hope all is well Les. Congrats on your one year anniversary!!! Hope you realize that in about 4 months I will be In Hawaii. Make sure you have plenty of water changes and anything else fish related for me to do. Tim

08/24/2008, 12:51 AM
Anyone had any luck keeping eels with a Clown trigger? I have a FOWLR 125 gallon. I have a Clown, Picasso, and a Blue jaw trigger all aroung 6-7" and the clown isnt afraid of anything.... I want a zebra moray eel but have heard mixed opinions on the compatibility... The 125 actually doesnt have one fish in it yet.... It is almost done cycling and I will be moving my triggers in shortly... The eel Im looking at is 1.5-2ft. The local store suggested putting him in the tank alone for a couple days and then add the triggers... Anyone out there have a Clown trigger successfully with an eel? Should I pick a more aggressive eel? Thanks!

08/24/2008, 06:06 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13213833#post13213833 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
Les, how do you know anything about packing fish properly? Ahh man just kidding. By far the best packaged fish EVER have come from Les. For example, who covers shipping prices and then packs a 7 1/2" Black Tang 8 gallons of water. Yes 8 gallons of water. Could barely get the box through the door!!! Hope all is well Les. Congrats on your one year anniversary!!! Hope you realize that in about 4 months I will be In Hawaii. Make sure you have plenty of water changes and anything else fish related for me to do. Tim

what wre you talkin about Man...your going diving with us to catch your own fish!!! got an extra tank and reg for you and room for one more on the boat...or we can just dive from shore....aloha Tim...Les

08/24/2008, 06:09 AM
my dive buddy caught another dragon eel....Im jealous!!! They hide from me and flock to his net....maybe I should change my deodorant I use or maybe Im just uglier!!!...LOL!!!

08/24/2008, 06:58 AM
probably both Les!!!! Seem to be many dragons around right now. My dragon is eeating pellets now, and eats pieces of algae sheets when the float by. What a weirdo!! Tim

08/24/2008, 07:03 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13211996#post13211996 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Grouperhead
Depending on coloration and size I've seen dragons from $400-
$1500 usd

Great, ahaha, I only know of one person who had one, apparently in excess of $2000 AUD.

08/24/2008, 12:19 PM
OK guys, here comes my new purchase - a dragon moray eel.

I purchased it yesterday from a guy (a local fish store owner) who has had it for 6 years. He believed that it might be 8-10 years old now. Unfortunately I don't have specifics on from where it was originally imported. It is about 60 cm (2 feet) long.

The eel har functioned well with other fish, and it is currently together with a small collection of other fish in my Fish Only tank, one picasso trigger, one niger trigger, one navarchus, 2 small hepatus surgeons and a cleaner wrasse. The cleaner wrass is all over the eel, including its jaws.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/80798IMG_7344_RC.JPG http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/80798IMG_7331_RC.JPG

08/24/2008, 12:21 PM
Dude, that eel is insanely awesome! That second pic with the wrasse behind him is really cool as well. Its Hawaiian right?

08/24/2008, 12:29 PM
Varg! That is one awesome looking Dragon!!! From the amount of White I would think it is Japanese. Europeans usually have more access to Japanese Dragons rather than Hawaiian because of travel distance. What are you going to keep him with? How much was he if you don't mind sharing? Good luck with him! Tim

08/24/2008, 12:30 PM
wow thats a beautiful dragon !!!

08/24/2008, 12:50 PM
I will keep him with the fish that is currentlyin the tank, i.e., the picasso trigger, the niger trigger, the navarchus, the two small hepatus and the cleaner wrasse.

So far it's harmony in the tank, although the other fish maintain some safety distance to the eel, se picture:

Two videos:

08/24/2008, 12:51 PM
Tim, are you saying the amount of white on the face, or the white spots throughout the body? Most of the dragons I've seen labeled 'Japanese' have more red/orange throughout the body, and Hawaiian's have a more brown body with a little orange on the face. I'm trying to learn a lot about dragons, so sorry for all the questions.

08/24/2008, 01:51 PM
Wow, can't believe how many Brazilian Dragons in this thread. I picked one up at a lfs a little over 3 months ago. He's in a 210g. When I got him, I had just upgraded from a 110 and the only thing in the tank were 5 chromis. I figured they'd be goners within a day or two, but I had to have this eel. He was just so spectacular looking. Well, due to some house renovations, I haven't had time or money to add any fish in 3 months but the 5 chromis are still there. He doesn't really seem to care about them.

Here's a pic of him from the 1st day. He was probably about 12-14"<BR>
Here are two pictures taken today, a little over 3 months later. He's probably 20-22" now. He's always out and about and comes all the way out when I approach the tank - of course on the day that I want to take pics, he's shy. So these are the best i could do.

Yes, that's feather caulerpa in those pics. I have it in my main tank as well as my fuge. It drives other aquarists nuts, but I love how it looks and moves with the current. When he comes out to the front of the tank, he tends to move within the path of the caulerpa.

Anyway, LOVE him. I've almost always had an eel in my tank for the past 10-12 years. This guy is definitely my favorite. He's active and so far appears to be pretty gentle. We'll see when I add another fish this week.

Quick video of him on his second day, still digging out a cave (which he has since outgrown).


- Skins

08/24/2008, 02:04 PM
that dragon is a monster. i thought my 24" wild caught one was thick but yours is ridiculous!

08/24/2008, 02:36 PM
SkinnyPete that is an awesome eel man. I dig the caulerpa too. I've actually seenyour video several times before too. Good stuff.

The video of the dragon with the cleaner wrasse is very cool.

08/24/2008, 05:06 PM
Thanks, Grouperhead. I actually feel like he's the ugly duckling compared to the other brazilians I've seen on here. Hopefully he's in a transitional phase :-) That yellowish coloring between the dots just started appearing over the past month.

08/24/2008, 08:01 PM
Hey Pete, Great looking eel!!! I decided to throw in 4 3-stripe damsels for my new Haw. Dragon to eat, but never even bothered them. I then added some 1/4" local baitfish to get him to start feeding. He ignored them too. Now the baitfish and damsels have made themselves at home in the tank. Though I think the my x-hatch is picking the baitfish off. The 4 damsels are as happy as can be. Tim

08/25/2008, 08:07 AM
Awesome eels, Im moving to the US now. Haha.

Does anyone have a Tesselata?

08/25/2008, 08:25 AM
Had one years ago. Got to over 4' of absolute terror. Makes quite a display if you want one eel by himself in a large tank. Also, maitenence inside the display was near impossible if you wanted to keep your hands. They are very beautiful though. Tim

Grouper, you still looking for a Millaris? Contemplating selling my guy. I'll send you a PM Tim

08/25/2008, 09:03 AM
I've never ever seen the tesselata here in Australia. I would set up a tank for itself if I can get one!

08/25/2008, 02:32 PM
I'm sure you could get one if look hard enough. How about this. If you get me a Conspiculatus angel I'll get you a Tessalata!!! :) Tim

08/25/2008, 04:17 PM
Just saw ANOTHER brazilian dragon moray at a fish store in NH. are these suddenly become more available?

08/25/2008, 05:49 PM
here are some pics of my eel, its not a dragon, but I like it.

08/25/2008, 07:11 PM
Love the Zebras. Never kept one in one of my personal tanks , YET. Yes Brazilians seem to be more available now as well as Hawaiian Dragons as well. I searched for 2-3 months for a small Japanese or Hawaiian Dragon to no avail. After I got mine, now they easily obtained. Did anyone else see the Moray they have for sale at Atlantis. It's a African leopard. Really bad picture. Haven't tried to positively ID it yet. Tim

08/26/2008, 09:39 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13225169#post13225169 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by myerst2
I'm sure you could get one if look hard enough. How about this. If you get me a Conspiculatus angel I'll get you a Tessalata!!! :) Tim

Haha, you're not the first person thats asked me to get them one!

DEAL! lol.

08/26/2008, 09:40 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13226636#post13226636 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by welsher7
here are some pics of my eel, its not a dragon, but I like it.

lovely fella!

08/28/2008, 12:33 AM
mine eating

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/meintn/th_eeleating.jpg (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/meintn/?action=view&current=eeleating.flv)

08/28/2008, 09:28 AM
awesome vid, bloody triggers stealing the food!!

08/29/2008, 07:41 PM

Better late than never I guess, lol.

Y'alls eels put mine to shame, but I still like the banded a lot. Acts about the same as a sfe, but not out near as much in the daytime as snowflakes in my experience. I'll try to get some full body shots. It'll be interesting to see if she ever changes colors.

08/31/2008, 01:30 PM

Another bad pic

08/31/2008, 02:41 PM
double post

08/31/2008, 02:42 PM
Hey Tim, my eel looks a little lonely...he could probably use some company, lol. :D