The FedEx lady came this morning....

[Toddrtrex]

And brought me a present from Foster and Smith. I live fairly close to one of the sorting facilities, so it was dropped off at 9:30. Plus, the two drivers that I deal with know that the stuff I get is a bit delicate and try to get here early.

Think that bag was holding at least 1.5 gallons of water. Was very pleased that the mouth was pretty much shut tight.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni1.jpg

Here it is floating in the tank, temp acclimating.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni2.jpg

Now, in a bucket. Which it had already attached too.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni3.jpg

Placed it in the tank, it was a bit difficult to get it unstuck from my gloved hand. Then I left for work....

[Toddrtrex]

Got home from work and was welcomed to this.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni5.jpg

A head on shot.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni6.jpg

I was just feeding the fish in the other tanks, and thought I would see what would happen. It sucked down some Rod's food like a champ. The new clowns for this tank will be coming on Saturday morning.


And since I had the camera out, took some pictures of my other Haddonis ( now have 4 total )

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/blue8_20_8.jpg

and

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/green8_20_8.jpg

[weluvfish54]

VERRRRY nice!

[70ss]

That looks good. Very nice

[kimsie]

Beautiful Todd!!

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks Kim.

Gave up on finding one like yours, so had to get another Haddoni. ;)

Lets hope that the clowns ( that come on Saturday ) like it too.

[mobert]

very pretty!

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks Mona. Have an addiction to Haddonis. ;) Really glad that the stripes are so pronounced.

[Haddonisreef]

Awesome markings!!!!!!! Now you need to get your hand on a red one like mine! :)

[kimsie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13196784#post13196784 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Thanks Kim.

Gave up on finding one like yours, so had to get another Haddoni. ;)

Lets hope that the clowns ( that come on Saturday ) like it too.

What kind of clowns are you getting for it? Which tank is it going in? So excited for you!

[Flavum]

thats hot

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13197383#post13197383 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CHARLIE AGUILAR
Awesome markings!!!!!!! Now you need to get your hand on a red one like mine! :)

LOL That would be cool, would have to put it next to my blue one.



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13197686#post13197686 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimsie
What kind of clowns are you getting for it? Which tank is it going in? So excited for you!


You will just have to wait until Saturday. ;) But nothing too special. Right now it is in my 29, in time I am sure that I will have to move it to my 75. Thanks, I am am excited too.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13197900#post13197900 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Flavum
thats hot

I thought so too, when I saw it for sale had to jump on it.

[Toddrtrex]

I had to take some more pictures tonight -- with the lights off.

The foot appears to be nicely planted.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni8.jpg

Just another one.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/stripemintHaddoni7.jpg

[kimsie]

Looking great Todd!

[Toddrtrex]

Morning Kim.

Thanks. And tomorrow the clowns should be here. :)

[kimsie]

Who hoo! So are you going to tell us which ones yet? Or at least where you ordered them from?

Oh - and Morning! :)

[Toddrtrex]

Same place I got the Haddoni from. :)

[kimsie]

Ohh... were they divers den clowns?

[Toddrtrex]

yes they were.

Good thing I can keep a surprise from you. ;) ;)

[kimsie]

Ok! :lol: I guess I'll have to be sure to log on tomorrow morning... I love the suspense!!!!

[Toddrtrex]

I could only imagine trying to keep your Xmas present a secret. ;)

Good, I am excited too. I will upload/post the pictures as soon as I can.

[kimsie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13204708#post13204708 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
I could only imagine trying to keep your Xmas present a secret. ;)


Yep - it's next to impossible...

I can't wait until I have the set up to house Haddonis!

[Toddrtrex]

How about a Haddoni for Xmas? :p

Ooo, I can't wait either, excited for you.

[kimsie]

:lol: I wish - I have to get moved into my new house first (which means someone has to buy my current one) :lol:

A better Christmas present would be getting my fish breeding system built in my new house! See that's my problem - I always want to pick out my own presents!

I really like your new striped one... Are stripes like that often seen?

[Toddrtrex]

Well, that would be about a 4 hour commute, one way, so I can't buy your house. ;)

I could try and build it. I do better when I am told what presents to get, but I will get a few things on my own --- to show I care.

I don't see the striped ones all that often. This is the first one I have seen in a while. Though my tan one has faint stripes,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Haddoni4_15_08.jpg

[kimsie]

Oh your right it does! I never noticed that before... very cool. So the stripes are a feature that should stay then? Wow - really pretty!

[Toddrtrex]

I am pretty sure that they will stay, I have had the tan one for 9+ years now, and the stripes seem to be the same. Though, in my old age my memory isn't what it used to be. ;)

BTW, I bumped your "reef discussion" thread about clown pictures.

[kimsie]

Awesome!

[T-T-Trigger]

very nice carpet!

[Toddrtrex]

So I was standing outside having a smoke after breakfast (( and yes it is perfectly acceptable for a 37 year old to eat Cooca Pebbles )), and the FedEx man pulls up. He had the box right in the back corner of the truck so that it wouldn't get banged around. We chatted a little bit --- maybe I order too much. ;)

This is what he brought me,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPerculabox.jpg

Hmm, what could be in the bags,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPerculabox2.jpg

One bag,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPerculabag1.jpg

and the other,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPerculabag2.jpg

[Toddrtrex]

So after temp acclimating them in the bags, had to do it in my other tank because the bags had so much water would have overflowed my 29. (( both are at the same temp, so no worries ))

About to put the first one in the bucket,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula.jpg

Then the second,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula2.jpg

And some shots of them in the bucket, drip acclimating. I put some PVC in there to calm them down.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula5.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula6.jpg

[Titus77]

Very nice! Did you put them in your tank yet? How are they doing?

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks.

Yea, put them in, there are just cruising around checking the place out. They pretty much are staying right next to each other.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula7.jpg

[Haddonisreef]

Nice pair of clowns i love the one w/ chin strap, i have a female picasso that has that marking! Now the fun starts watching them to see how long for them to find the anemone!

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks.

Yea, I don't expect them to find the Haddoni any time soon, but they were near it.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula8.jpg

A close up of the pair.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula10.jpg

And a couple of FTS. (( BTW --- if you are cutting egg create with a Dremel, strongly suggest wearing eye protection, dang that hurts. ;) ))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/FTS8_23_8.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/FTS28_23_8.jpg

[stagefright13]

I have a crush on my Fedex lady! :rollface:

Not sure if it is the goodies she brings or her lol!

[1fishkeeper]

That is a great looking pair that you got there. It seems to be when I have money I cant find anything that I really like. But when Im broke they are everywhere. Oh well good one on getting all three of them.

[Titus77]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13217937#post13217937 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1fishkeeper
Good one on getting all three of them.


All three of them? What do you mean by that? Are you including the nem?



So what size is that tank that the picassos are in?

[tufacody]

What is that light? I received a green haddoni and a heteractis magnifica last week from Divers Den. My HM is going great but the haddoni wont dig his foot in and still has some expulsion around the mouth. I have no clue why he is having such a hard time while the more difficult HM is doing great. My only guess is he doesn't like the flow and light necessary for the HM.

[Toddrtrex]

Titus77 --- I am assuming that he was including the Haddoni in "all three of them" since I got that on Wednesday. They are all in my 29.

tufacody --- The light is the Current SunPod -- 250 watt version. Right now I have a Reeflux 12K bulb in there ( DE ). But, I have a new Phoenix bulb that I am going to put in once I get around to it. Plus, I want the Haddoni to be fully settled in before I change the bulb.

As for your Haddoni, how much flow do you have? I have notice that all of mine ( have 4 total in different tanks ) don't like a lot of flow. Is the mouth tightly closed or still open? I got a different Haddoni from them 2 weeks ago that never settled in -- had to pull it.

[kimsie]

Todd! I was just able to finally check in for the weekend and the new fish are beautiful!!! Congrats - what a beautiful trio you have :) They will look beautiful in that nem once they find it...

They are so cute! Congrats! :)

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13220079#post13220079 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimsie
Todd! I was just able to finally check in for the weekend and the new fish are beautiful!!! Congrats - what a beautiful trio you have :) They will look beautiful in that nem once they find it...

They are so cute! Congrats! :)

Took ya long enough. ;) Thanks, I am pretty happy with everything so far. I know it could take a long time for them to find the anemone, but darn it, I want them in it now. :)

Yea, I think they are cute too, and they are still staying right next to each other.

[prodman]

Nice anemone and clowns. Do you keep any other fish with the carpets or just clowns? I would like a carpet but worry about them eating my fish.

[Toddrtrex]

In my other tanks, yes.

In my 58 I have a green Haddoni, and a blue one. Have only lost one fish to them in over a year -- it was a Mandarin, which I knew was a risk. I also have a Potter's angel and a golden sailfin blenny in there. Had a fairy wrasse with until a couple of weeks ago -- just sold it.

In my 75 I have a tan one, it has been with me for 9+ years. In that time it has only eaten a yellow watchman goby. Over the years I have kept angels, tangs and several other types of fish.

From what I have read, I have been very lucky only losing 2 fish over all that time.

[tufacody]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13219774#post13219774 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Titus77 --- I am assuming that he was including the Haddoni in "all three of them" since I got that on Wednesday. They are all in my 29.

tufacody --- The light is the Current SunPod -- 250 watt version. Right now I have a Reeflux 12K bulb in there ( DE ). But, I have a new Phoenix bulb that I am going to put in once I get around to it. Plus, I want the Haddoni to be fully settled in before I change the bulb.

As for your Haddoni, how much flow do you have? I have notice that all of mine ( have 4 total in different tanks ) don't like a lot of flow. Is the mouth tightly closed or still open? I got a different Haddoni from them 2 weeks ago that never settled in -- had to pull it.

The mouth is still very open. Its is not expelling filaments but instead flabbier part of flesh. The tank is relatively high flow, which seems to please the magnifica. I really don't want to put him in the 180, but he is not settling in at all. The 180 is lit by a new Solaris, which seems to be pleasing my corals just fine, but I don't know if I want a nem under it. Might have no choice I guess. How much time do you think I should give it to settle in?

[Toddrtrex]

You should give it as much time as you can, unless it starts to fall apart.

Does the other tank have less flow? Yesterday I notice that one of my powerheads was unplugged, so I plugged it back in. For the last 24 hours the new Haddoni was moving around, and generally didn't look all that good. So, I unplugged it again, and within 3 hours it was looking back to normal and settled back in.

Does it look like these at all ? (( Two pictures of the one I got two weeks ago and didn't make it ))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/mintHaddoni3.jpg

Right before I took it out, was falling apart,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/mintHaddoni4.jpg

[tufacody]

i see some similarities :(

[melev]

Are the clowns in the anemone yet?

[kimsie]

Funny Marc I had just asked him the same thing! I think it's time for new pics don't you?

[Toddrtrex]

Have some new pictures, but they aren't the best. Something is going on, and I am not sure what it is. The clowns are now spending way too much time on the sand bed. They seem to get excited when I put food in the tank, but it seems like they don't have the energy to go get it. Plus, the Haddoni isn't looking all that hot either.

Thinking that something was wrong with my water, I ran a batch of tests last night;

pH --- 8.3
Cal --- 420
Alk --- 8
Mag --- 1350
PO4, NO3, NO2, & NH4 all 0.
Salinity is 35 PPT.
Temp 78-82.

Was hoping that the tests would have soon something, but they didn't. I am using the same RO/DI water and salt in my other tanks, and they are doing great.

The sad clowns, whose breathing rate is very fast.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickpercs.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickperc2.jpg

FTS showing the anemone. Everything else is doing great. (( the clam was moved from another tank. The clowns and Haddoni were acting up before I put it in there. ))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/FTS8_26_8.jpg

Will take another picture of the Haddoni later tonight, just got home from work. It was expelling something, not sure what it was.

[kimsie]

Oh Todd... You're right!!! Something is going on - but what? Maybe it's just a coincidence... Maybe the fish are having too much trouble with the stress from shipping? Maybe the Haddoni is just having a bad day?

[melev]

The anemone looks unhappy too. Have you checked the surface to make sure it is rippling and clean?

Have you checked for stray electricity?

Are you running carbon actively?

Have you dosed iodine lately? Ovedosing can drive a clownfish to gasp.

You could add an airstone just in case.

[Toddrtrex]

Kim -- I hope it is just stress from shipping, but I don't think so. They seem to get worse each day. At first it was "resting" for about 20 minutes ( total ) of each hour -- the rest of the time swimming around. Now, they barely get off the sand bed. As for the Haddoni, I hope it is just having a bad week. Half the time it looks awful, the other half great.


Marc --- plenty of surface agitation. Along with the inflow into my sump and skimmer.

Will have to pick up a volt meter. However, until 2 months ago that tank was home to two healthy ( and growing too big, hence the reason I sold them ) LTAs.

Never dose iodine.

I do believe I have an old air pump laying around, if I do, I will hook it up.

[melev]

Double check the temperature with your hand. Does it feel right, or kinda hot?

Double check salinity with something else. Or have someone come over with all their kits and run through them with your water. It is always good to get a second opinion.

[Toddrtrex]

Funny enough, I thought about the temp too. Had my hand in the tank just now, and it "feels" the same temp as my other tanks. Plus I have an old alcohol thermometer that matches up.

As for the test kits, will have to see if I can get someone to come over. But, I did have thoughts about that, and ran the same tests on my 75 ( in the same room ) and they seemed to be right on, compared to its norms.

Just noticed some stringy poop coming out of one of the clowns, uploading the pictures now.

[tufacody]

Those clowns don't look good. I'd get in a formalin QT asap and treat for brook.

My green haddoni from DD didn't make it. For some damn reason I let them replace it with another once that come tomorrow. I really wish I hadn't done that. This batch doesn't seem to be doing very well.

On the plus side, my heteractis magnifica seems to be ok, although it deflates/inflates a little more than I'd like.

[Toddrtrex]

I agree about this patch of haddonis, mine is looking worse now. Just took a fairly large "snot bubble" off of it -- second time since I have been home from work.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickhaddoni3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickhaddoni4.jpg

And the stringy poop from one of the clowns. (( will try to pick up some formalin tomorrow ))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickpercs4.jpg

I am not giving up hope, but it starting to look that the Haddoni and the clowns aren't going to make it.

[prodman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13220561#post13220561 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
In my other tanks, yes.

In my 58 I have a green Haddoni, and a blue one. Have only lost one fish to them in over a year -- it was a Mandarin, which I knew was a risk. I also have a Potter's angel and a golden sailfin blenny in there. Had a fairy wrasse with until a couple of weeks ago -- just sold it.

In my 75 I have a tan one, it has been with me for 9+ years. In that time it has only eaten a yellow watchman goby. Over the years I have kept angels, tangs and several other types of fish.

From what I have read, I have been very lucky only losing 2 fish over all that time.
Do you think having the clowns with it helps keep other fish away? And is it true moonlights help?

[Toddrtrex]

I only have moon lights on my 29, the 75 and 58 don't. I would think that having clowns would help, but the green one in my 58 isn't hosting any clowns. Granted I have only had that one for about 6 months, it hasn't eaten any fish.

[kimsie]

Hey Todd... How were things looking this morning when you left?

I think Tufacody's suggestion for the clowns sound good - are you going to be able to try it?

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

Have you got a QT set up? That is sad that the clowns and the haddoni aren't doing well. :( Like kim asked..How are things looking this morning?
If you can put them in a QT I would treat the water with a dewormer like Praziquantel, or Pipezine. I wouldn't treat them with formalin unless you are absolutely sure it is brook. My reasoning is that formalin can be a harsh treatment on the fish. With the stringy poop and them not eating..worms might be your problem.

[Toddrtrex]

Kim, lights were off, but both the clowns and the anemone were still alive when I left this morning. I might run home after PT today and look.

Christina, thanks.

I think you are right, not going to try formalin, since it doesn't really appear to be brook. There is a PetSmart close to my home, so I can pick up a cheap 10 gallon tank to move them too. I hope that they have Praziquantel, or Pipezine too. There is another LFS that I could try to find that stuff at. Otherwise I will have to wait until Saturday to pick it up --- the ones that I am pretty would have it, are a place that I don't like to drive to in rush hour.

[tufacody]

With all respects to Christina, the problem is that brook is such a fast killer, whereas parasites you can take a little time with. Most fish that can't survive a modest formalin treatment probably aren't going to make it anyway, and you minimize secondary infection.

Just my 2 cents.

I got my replacement carpet today from DD. Even though it has only been in a half hour, it does look dissapointingly similar to our others. I'm thinking really bad catch and perhaps may be dissapointed that DD sold them too early. Guess time will tell.

[tufacody]

BTW, the last picture on the first page does show some brook similarities. My guess is that they were weakened by brook and then contracted the parasite.

[traveller7]

IMHE:

Elevated breathing, lethargy, and if they have stopped eating absolutely point to more serious issues then stringy feces.

It could be early stages of Amyloo, Brook, or Crypto. Don't wait.

From picture progression, here they are very skinny which could contribute to the feces symptom but would not contribute to both lying down and breathing heavy. Fins are already clamped indicating some level of stress:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/PicassoPercula10.jpg

24ish hours ago, this is classic clown gill parasite position:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickpercs.jpg

If I did not see any, and I mean any trace of a spot on the fish, I would assume Brook and at least hit them with formalin bath on the way to the hospital tank.

I might consider a fresh water bath, but that will only provide relief with Amyloo and possibly Crypto.

Not to mention, then need to be seriously overfed for the next few weeks. I would ignore the stringy feces until they put on weight, but queue up a prazi based drug for future use.

[traveller7]

btw: pipzine is likely long gone in Aquarium formulas. You can still find it in dog dewormer, but prazi based formulas seem suitable.

[traveller7]

And....treatments worth reviewing:
http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/treatments.html

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks alot Scott.

I just finished transferring them to a 5 gal tank, and dosed some PraziPro. Is there a name brand for formalin? There is a PetSmart very close to me, the "real" fish places are at least an hour of away this time of night.

I am uploading some new pictures.

[traveller7]

Formalin is actually a diluted form of Formaldehyde and 37% is a commonly available dilution in the hobby:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4769

[Toddrtrex]

On a sad note, the Haddoni is no longer with me. When I got home from work I went to look at it, and looked worse then this morning. Was starting to fall apart, so I had to take it out.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sickhaddoni5.jpg


Here are the clowns new home. The rock is from another tank, using it to provide bacterial filtration -- don't plan on putting it back into that tank. I took used 5 gallons of water from the tank that they were in. (( already had 5 gallons made up for a water change ))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/QT.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/QT2.jpg

[traveller7]

You may find this nearby:
http://www.novalek.com/kordon/formalin/index.htm

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248445#post13248445 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Here are the clowns new home. The rock is from another tank, using it to provide bacterial filtration -- don't plan on putting it back into that tank. I took used 5 gallons of water from the tank that they were in. (( already had 5 gallons made up for a water change )) Have the clowns still been breathing heavy and laying around?
Have then been eating? Alot I hope.

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248479#post13248479 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Have the clowns still been breathing heavy and laying around?
Have then been eating? Alot I hope.

Yep, breathing really heavy, and laying around. It was almost too easy to catch them.

As for eating, nope, they are ignoring all foods.

And thanks for that Kordan's link, there are 3 places nearby that I hope will have it.

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248498#post13248498 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Yep, breathing really heavy, and laying around. It was almost too easy to catch them.Ugh.

Wish I was closer. Might want to post in the local club forums. Most clown nuts have some on hand.

Any "slime" forming on the bodies, especially the dorsal surface?
Any tiny pits forming near/in the first white stripe?
Any streaking in the fins, etc?
Eyes still clear?

[tufacody]

Don't feel too bad, I think DD has a crappy batch of green haddonis. My first died within a week and the second I received today looks like crap and still hasn't attached. I sent them a nasty gram. I fully realize the nem are delicate, but no doubt in mind these should not have been sold. I sent them a email. Of course I'd like a credit, but I am very disappointed in DD. They are supposed to be the best.

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248621#post13248621 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Ugh.

Wish I was closer. Might want to post in the local club forums. Most clown nuts have some on hand.

Any "slime" forming on the bodies, especially the dorsal surface?
Any tiny pits forming near/in the first white stripe?
Any streaking in the fins, etc?
Eyes still clear?

Thanks again for all your help. As luck would have it the PetSmart near me had some off brand, but the active ingredient is formalin. I will do a search, but is it best to dip them in a mix of it and tank water?


I haven't noticed any slime, or tiny pits. And the eyes are still clear.

Here is a close up shot of them. I will try to get a side on shot,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sick.jpg

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248705#post13248705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Thanks again for all your help. As luck would have it the PetSmart near me had some off brand, but the active ingredient is formalin. I will do a search, but is it best to dip them in a mix of it and tank water?Likely, yes.

Depends on what is in the formula. Does it have Malachite Green, other dyes, Quinine, etc.?

[Toddrtrex]

Yea, it does have Malachite Green as the other active ingredient. It is "Quick Cure" by AP (( same company as that first link you gave me )). Is in a little drip type bottle, about an ounce.

[tufacody]

I have heard of people putting a small amount of fructose in the QT water for fish that aren't eating. Given my personal experience with sick clowns, I would definitely try it. Not that it has worked for me - I've never done it. But I've also QT'd at least 6 clowns in my lifetime due to brook, all occelaris or percula, and lost them all. I waited too long.

[traveller7]

Very familiar with quick cure. Great med for freshwater "ich".

In my experience, it is not suitable for a dip; only for in tank use.

Using it at dip strength is a gamble with the added dye. Off hand I don't recall the percentage of formalin in that formula. Is the % listed?

[Toddrtrex]

No, the % isn't listed, was hoping that it was.

Treating in the tank would actually be easier for me. The directions state that one drop/gallon. Have them in a little 5 gallon tank that I just picked up. And I don't care about the piece of live rock that I put in there.

And I will add an air stone to this tank.

Again, thanks for your help. This is the first time in 10+ years of keeping clowns that I have had to deal with anything like this. Guess I've been lucky.

[traveller7]

IME, remove the rock it is going to be more trouble then it is worth.

Be prepared for small and frequent water changes, pH is going to drop very quickly. Ammonia will build up with or without the rock. Carbon in that cartridge is going to remove the meds.

Without knowing the amount of formalin in the medication and its history of being harsh on small fishes, stick with the stated levels and keep looking for formalin in 33-37% range to use for dips.

If the quick cure is going to help, you'll some positive level of change in 24-36 hours.

Keep us posted as new symptoms appear or other changes in behavior show up. In fact, pull out a flash light and look very closely at the skin of the fish.

And, keep an eye on that pH, once it starts dropping...it will plummet.

Good luck.

[taylor t]

I have a bottle of Formalin you can come and get if you don't find any anywhere else. It says only Formalin on the ingredients list. That's it. I don't know the %. I do know it burns my eyes and takes my breath away if i get a wiff of it. It says 1 drop per gallon on alternate days. I don't know the concentration for a dip though. You're welcome to come and get it if it's worth it to you. I'm around the corner from MHurley, so it may be a bit too far for you. LMK.

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

I think I see ich, little salt grain spots..I used cupramine to get rid of the ich. It worked well with my chrysopterus..within a couple of hours my fish started eating again. Just use a salifert, seachem, or api copper tester to test the levels. Don't let the levels get any higher than 0.5 mg/L. Don't measure the cupramine in drops only ml. It is easier to measure it that way and less chance of overdosing.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23132-marine-ich-myths-facts.html

[stagefright13]

Sorry to see your new pets are sick! That sux...

I have used quick cure many times over the years in my freshwater tanks and has worked every time. I think quick cure has cured more fish than all other meds combined. (Maybe cause they even sell it at walmart)

But I did have a freshwater fish with heavy breathing like that. Same symptoms. And quick cure fixed it. He lived a ripe old age. And finallly died a wrinkled old man last year. So hopefully that is some encouragement. I think he had ich or something in his gills. But had no spots on his body. And it did cure him in a few days.

The biggest problem I had with the 5 gallon med tank for saltwater is keeping the temp stable. I made the DKH 12 and the PH wasn't a problem. And did daily water changes.

The older formula for quick cure was:

tri-chelated formula of 99.20% Formaldehyde .75% Malachite Green

Now is says Formalin with no percentages listed.

Hope they recover!

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248947#post13248947 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
IME, remove the rock it is going to be more trouble then it is worth.

Be prepared for small and frequent water changes, pH is going to drop very quickly. Ammonia will build up with or without the rock. Carbon in that cartridge is going to remove the meds.

Without knowing the amount of formalin in the medication and its history of being harsh on small fishes, stick with the stated levels and keep looking for formalin in 33-37% range to use for dips.

If the quick cure is going to help, you'll some positive level of change in 24-36 hours.

Keep us posted as new symptoms appear or other changes in behavior show up. In fact, pull out a flash light and look very closely at the skin of the fish.

And, keep an eye on that pH, once it starts dropping...it will plummet.

Good luck.

Why do you say that about the rock? (( just wondering ))

I removed the carbon pad from the little hang on filter. Making extra water right now, so I will be able to change as much water as needed.

That is what I did, put in the 5 drops that it says.

Good to know, that I will hopefully see some improvement in 36 hours or so.

Oh, I will for sure keep everyone posted. And already have my flashlight up by the tank.

Cool, have the test kits out and ready to use.

Thanks.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249060#post13249060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by taylor t
I have a bottle of Formalin you can come and get if you don't find any anywhere else. It says only Formalin on the ingredients list. That's it. I don't know the %. I do know it burns my eyes and takes my breath away if i get a wiff of it. It says 1 drop per gallon on alternate days. I don't know the concentration for a dip though. You're welcome to come and get it if it's worth it to you. I'm around the corner from MHurley, so it may be a bit too far for you. LMK.

Thanks a lot for the offer. I work near 88 and Mill, and my folks live in the South part of Naperville. If I don't see any improvement by the weekend I will send you a PM.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249186#post13249186 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wicked_NaCl_h2o
I think I see ich, little salt grain spots..I used cupramine to get rid of the ich. It worked well with my chrysopterus..within a couple of hours my fish started eating again. Just use a salifert, seachem, or api copper tester to test the levels. Don't let the levels get any higher than 0.5 mg/L. Don't measure the cupramine in drops only ml. It is easier to measure it that way and less chance of overdosing.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23132-marine-ich-myths-facts.html

I thought that at first, but after looking at the picture again (( the un -resized one, they really appear to be air bubbles. But, I will for sure keep my eye on that, thanks.

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249302#post13249302 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Why do you say that about the rock? (( just wondering ))The meds are going to kill anything beneficial as well as the bad stuff. It with then contribute dead bio mass to ammonia production.

In addition, it will absorb meds, trap uneaten food you want to siphon out, be something the fish may rub themselves on doing more damage then hoped, etc.

I'd pull the rock, top off to a desired and maintainable water level, add another drop of Quick Cure.

If they don't show improvement in 36 hours, the'll need a new path of treatment.

fwiw: I would consider lowering the specific gravity or getting ready to.....What level is it at now?

[Toddrtrex]

Ahhh, okay, that makes perfect since about the rock now.

Would be easy to lower the salinity, have plenty of RO/DI on hand, the salinity right now is 35 PPT/1.026. (( with a calibrated refrac. ))

[traveller7]

Not all folks agree, but I tend to drop it down in stress situations like this...say 1.022-1.023 now, 1.019ish tomorrow evening.

Sets them up for an easier drop to full Hypo if necessary. I don't think you are dealing with ich, but if so, 1.009-1.010 will be the target. Easily reached with a 50% water change from 1.019 ;>)

Best of luck.

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks again, will do all of that. Just pulled the rock and replaced the water it had displaced with RO/DI.

Future question for you (( assuming that they get better )) How long should they stay out of the display tank ( which they were in ). Without them it is fishless. I wouldn't want to re-infect them. BUT,,,on the 15th of September I get to have back surgery, so doing water changes in the hospital tank will be an issue.

[traveller7]

Todd,

Can't accurately answer the timeline questions until the pathogen presents itself for an ID. When the bug is unknown, I go 6 weeks.

Stay the course, lets see what tomorrow holds.

Try to have some pipe in the tank so the fish don't have to swim 24hrs without rest.

It might be worth adding a sponge filter(s) to one of your other established tanks so that the post medication phase in the 5.5g is supportable by adding the established filtration to the 5.5g.

Medication is likely done in 2 weeks.

Worst case hypo for 4 weeks.

Have a good night.

[Toddrtrex]

Scott

Good deal. Worse case I can have some one come over, or I can do water changes by the pitcher. ;)

Already have a couple of pieces of PVC in there, which they are hanging out in.

Just put an old maxi-jet sponge into the sump of my 58.

Will test the pH and ammonia in the AM, before I go to work (( and odds are I will test it before bed too )) and take any needed actions.

You have a good night too, and I owe ya. :)

[kimsie]

Hey Todd - I caught up on all that is going on this morning. I'm glad that you're taking the steps you are. Hopefully they will come out of this ok! Sorry about the anemone...

How were the fish this morning?

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

I may have missed this, do you have an air sponge or air stone in the QT. Its always best to have it because some meds can lower oxygen levels. If you already have one disregaurd this message:p Do the fish seem any better this morning?

[Toddrtrex]

Kim, Christina.

Thanks. One of them didn't make it through the night. Woke up this morning and it was dead. :( The other one ( the one that always looked better ) is still with us. Was hard to tell if it was better, but I know that it wasn't worse. Ticked ( besides the one dying ) because I wanted a pair.

And yes, I do have "mr. bubbler" going.


EDIT, did do a water change this morning after taking the one clown out.

[kimsie]

Oh Todd!!! Bummer!! Sorry - have you talked to DF&S yet?

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13251734#post13251734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimsie
Oh Todd!!! Bummer!! Sorry - have you talked to DF&S yet?

Thanks, it is a bummer.

About the Haddoni, yes. About the clown(s), yes/no. They are aware of whats going on, but not that one of them died. Going to let them know about it when I get back from PT, which I am heading to now.

Hold down the fort for me, will be back in about 90 minutes or so. :)

[connorsbala]

[i]<a href=showthread.php?

Here is a close up shot of them. I will try to get a side on shot,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sick.jpg [/B]
Shame about the Clowns :s
But, i have never seen that before! You can see the Clown to the left of the pic's teeth! Amazing!!!!!

[Kimsie'sMom]

Todd - trust me, it is next to impossible to surprise Kimsie with Christmas or birthday or anything. She is a great detective.

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13254036#post13254036 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kimsie'sMom
Todd - trust me, it is next to impossible to surprise Kimsie with Christmas or birthday or anything. She is a great detective.

LOL Took me a second to remember what that was all about. But, that almost sounds like a challenge.

[Toddrtrex]

Well, the last clown is no longer with me. When I got home from work it wasn't looking too good. Breathing very hard, hard time swimming and it stomach almost looked bloated -- even though it wasn't eating.

Not sure if this picture shows what I am talking about with the stomach,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/sick2.jpg

Around 2 AM I checked on the tank and this is what I saw,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/toddrtrex/Fish%20stuff/dead.jpg

[traveller7]

Sad ending :(
Sorry for your loss.

fwiw: Speed of turn leans brook, breathing rate leans brook, but I would not conclude it was brook based on the limited information provided.

I would assume the worst to protect your future inhabitants of the tank: Amyloo, Brook, Crypto, and internal parasites were potential causes. Let the tank be fishless for at least 30 days, 45+ would be better.

Hit the QT tank with bleach, rinse well, set it in the sun for a sunny day, then rinse it well again. Possibly even scrub it down with a reef safe sponge and a salt paste as added abrasive surface.

You can set it back up and prepare for replacements and QT them for 45-60 days while the display tank cycles through pathogens. Those sponge filters in your other tanks are your friends now.

Good luck.

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks a lot Scott. Is there any other information that I could give you to help your lean towards ( or away ) from Brook?

As "luck" would have it, not going to be able to do much with that tank for the 45-60 days anyways. With my back surgery coming up it will be easy to leave that tank alone.

But, I will do what you suggested with the QT tank, and still have those sponges in the sumps of my other tanks.

Thanks again for all your help -- hopefully I won't need it next time. :)

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13258531#post13258531 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Thanks a lot Scott. Is there any other information that I could give you to help your lean towards ( or away ) from Brook?Not without a scraping and a good microscope.

Be safe, assume it was any or all of the suspects.

[Toddrtrex]

Ahh, okay. Don't think I have had a microscope since Xmas of '82.

I will be safe. And I have two other tanks to keep me busy, so it will be easy to let this one go fallow for the needed time frame.

And in a dorky circle of life moment, my Clarkii pair laid a huge batch of eggs the other night. The biggest and brightest batch that I have ever seen from them ( in 7+ years )

[traveller7]

Congrats on the Clark's. Got Rots? :D

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13258696#post13258696 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
Congrats on the Clark's. Got Rots? :D

Thanks.

Umm, no. I keep thinking that I will try to raise the fry one day, but so far that day has never come. ;)

Think if my pink skunk pair ever decides to get their act together, that might motivate me enough to try.