WOW! Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump $1,999.

[SeanT]

Thats a serious price.

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RE-PU-RD2035&Category_Code=

[miwoodar]

If only I didn't need this last kidney...

[turbonut]

that pump is sick

[reefergeorge]

Red dragon= expensive

[DaveG99]

for that price it better be silent and able to pump the water out of a swimming pool in 5 minutes!

[gcarroll]

I saw it at MACNA. It is definitely an impressive piece of machinery.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/gcarroll/MACNA%202008/IMG_4482CR2.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c10/gcarroll/MACNA%202008/IMG_4483CR2.jpg

[dvanacker]

totally looks worth $2000.

[DaveG99]

if your using that pump your probably paying someone to set up your tank and take care of it for you also.

[Proline]

This pumps has 6600 gph of flow ,is the second largest in the range ,the smaller ones are much cheaper .
They could be used for closed loop applications combined with the controller ,you will be able to run multiple pumps in synchronous or Asynchronous way to creat random flow in the tank ,it will eliminate the need to use devices like ocean motion,powerheads,...
We are designing a tank for our headoffice with 2 RDIIs ,with 2 holes in the tank bottom @ the opposite corners of the tank for intake & 4 exits on the back pane.
The 2 pumps will be running Asynchronous ,that should creat a rocking semi wave action as well.

many features such is night mode & different failsafes.
the head pressure on this pump is 26.5'.
Titanium shaft ,with SC bearings ,brushless DC.

[ioreefer45]

seems impressive. How quiet are the RDs compare to the reeflo with baldor? Are they as silent as the Velocity T3/T4 pumps?

[SeanT]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13373493#post13373493 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Proline
They could be used for closed loop applications combined with the controller ,you will be able to run multiple pumps in synchronous or Asynchronous way to creat random flow in the tank ,it will eliminate the need to use devices like ocean motion
The pump is impressive no doubt.

But at that price point, wouldn't it be more accurate that oceansmotions woul be more popular on CL applications versus two of these?

[Proline]

These are dead silent
Again as I mentioned the smaller ones will be much cheaper,this one is used for larger tanks & alsoless headaches for pluming,... looks better than having multiple powerheads in the tank.
with the ocean motion you will not have the ability of running pumps Asynchronous ,this will be different flow.
Ofcourse there are many different ways of creating flow in the tank & different preferences.

[tangtang clown]

Just pre ordered 12 of these on my company credit card.

[sjm817]

Very nice pump but I'm not sure I see the replacement of an OM CL or quality powerhead application.

An OM CL setup is typically a 4 way unit. Many use an 8 way OM. I dont think many would consider 4 or 8 pumps as being practical or economical.

As far as replacing powerheads. A Tunze 6301 or the new 6305 does 7,900+ GPH @ 64W. You could get a pair of 6201s, or 6205s for a total GPH of 11,600 GPH @ 110W

[SeanT]

Hey tangtang clown,
Have we met...both in Wilmington.

[moondoggy4]

I like the sound of much cheaper but coming from Germany I will not get my hopes up to much. .Klaus are there any pictures with the smaller pump on say a 120 gallon tank showing how you do the Asychronous motion. Would this be used as the main pump return or as a closed loop system? Thanks for another great product moving the hobby in a better direction.

[sjm817]

Here are all the RD pumps that are listed @ P.A.:
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=reddragon

As far as I can tell, only the one in this thread is DC and controllable.

[glassbox-design]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13373706#post13373706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Proline
These are dead silent

Klaus has said the decibel rating for the 25,000lph/6600gph RD2 was 65db at 1 meter away. Based on your description, it seems this measure is incorrect...?

EDIT: Thanks sjm.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13374014#post13374014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sjm817
Here are all the RD pumps that are listed @ P.A.:
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=reddragon

As far as I can tell, only the one in this thread is DC and controllable.

That's because it's the only RD2 pump they have listed ;) There are currently 6 models, some with controllers built into the pump.

[sjm817]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13374700#post13374700 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design

That's because it's the only RD2 pump they have listed ;) There are currently 6 models, some with controllers built into the pump.
Thanks for the clarification. I found the info below on the Proline forum:

Red Dragon II 170 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 15000liter/h = 3962 gph
Head Pressure: 4.5m = 14.75 feet

Red Dragon II 250 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 20000liter/h = 5283 gph
Head Pressure: 6m = 19.7 feet

Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 25000liter/h = 6600 gph
Head Pressure: 8m = 26.25 feet

Red Dragon II 1500 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 50000liter/h = 13210 gph
Head Pressure: 13m = 42.5 feet

[das75]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13374700#post13374700 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design
Klaus has said the decibel rating for the 25,000lph/6600gph RD2 was 65db at 1 meter away. Based on your description, it seems this measure is incorrect...?



MY Barracuda is 66dB from 2', realize not the same flow but far from silent.

The RD looks pretty fancy though.

[glassbox-design]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13374769#post13374769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sjm817
Thanks for the clarification. I found the info below on the Proline forum:

Red Dragon II 170 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 15000liter/h = 3962 gph
Head Pressure: 4.5m = 14.75 feet

Red Dragon II 250 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 20000liter/h = 5283 gph
Head Pressure: 6m = 19.7 feet

Red Dragon II 350 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 25000liter/h = 6600 gph
Head Pressure: 8m = 26.25 feet

Red Dragon II 1500 Watt DC Pump
Flow: 50000liter/h = 13210 gph
Head Pressure: 13m = 42.5 feet

Thanks for that clarification, answered my other question :thumbsup:

[JCTewks]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13373837#post13373837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeanT
Hey tangtang clown,
Have we met...both in Wilmington.

Hey, I'm in Wilmington too :lol::lol:

It's nice to see that thety FINALLY put threaded inputs and ouputs on the pump (although they are probably metric :()

[Klaus Jansen]

@JCTewks...

not metric.... the connections are US size....

@Glasbox-Design...

the 65 db is outside... this Pump can used outside the water, or submersible.... Subermsible is the Pump Deadsilent.... i am a big Fan from submersible Pumps... so much more silent....

@Price....

1.999.- Dollar is real a good Price. The Cost of this Pump is in Germany 1.495.- Euro = 2.242.- Dollar.

@gcarroll...

thanks for the nice Pictures.... :-)

regards...

[tanglovers]

The pump listed/shown, is that $2000 with the controller or just for the pump and the controller is an additional purchase?

[Klaus Jansen]

Pump and Controller are married...:D Pump dont running, without Controller...

regards..Klaus

[tanglovers]

Very cool. Will be interested to see the pricing on the other size pumps.

[chevegan]

isn't this a better deal for a controllable 24hr pump?
It's one of the best you can buy. From 1600gph-90,000gph fully programmable and controllable.

http://www.aquapoolstore.com/pumps/Hayward-TriStar-variable-speed.htm

[gcarroll]

but will it hold up to use in saltwater? what is the wattage on the pump?

[chevegan]

I can't remember the wattage off hand. It is an engergy saver and code now for california. Just remember that it's 220v. But one of the lowest wattage/circulation pumps on the market. We use it on saltwater pools out here all the time with no issues.

[Paulairduck]

Most pools I know of now "are Saltwater!!", it is the new fad in pools

I had to go buy bags of salt for my Dads pool, and we just dumped the tablets into the bottom of the pool and they dissolved.

I should check the salinity one day and maybe throw in a couple damsels:D

[JCTewks]

Klaus...I'm glad you chose to use english sized fittings! Is it as hard to get english fittings in europe as it is to get metrics fittings in the US?

[amehel0]

i just wonder how much water red dragons would push with out a nw impeeller. i because although they are askoll motors they use a different impeller magnet(or so i understand) then lagunas.

[Klaus Jansen]

@JCTewks...

not the problem for ordert US-Fittings in Europe. We want send directly the right Connectors to our US-Distributor...

@chevegan...

the swimmingpool-Pump. .. is it a AC or DC-Pump ? Is it submersible and saltwaterresistent ?

regards.. Klaus

[sjm817]

Klaus, how is this pump cooled? Since it is submersible, my assumption is it is water cooled. It also has generous cooling fins on the body. Does it get much cooling from air when run external?

[Klaus Jansen]

@scott

the efficiency of a SineWave Brushless DC pump is very high. More as 90 % . So the Pump running outside very cool and dont heating the water. The last 10 % heating, go outside the Controller to the Air.

regards... Klaus

[limitdown]

Hopefully Hahnmeister will start a thread about how to DIY one of these like he did with a Red Dragon I
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1094749

[Klaus Jansen]

@Limit...

yes,.... my special-friend Hahnmeister.... It is difficult for make a Clone from a RD2 .... this Pumps/Motorblocks are designed and manufactured by Royal-Exclusiv.

regards...

[Paulairduck]

Klaus, wht dont you open a shop in the USA and build all this equipment in America, so it can be affordable. I am sure most of your customer base is in the USA.

I am sure there is a huge markup with shipping and going through a distributor.

These pumps look absolutley amazing, but 2000 for a PUMP:confused: :eek1: :eek2:

[Proline]

Paul
The retail price on these pumps in Germany is 1495 euro
With the current exchange rate that is
1495 x 1.43 = 2137.85 $
so they are actualy sold more expensive in Europe.
same goes for BK skimmers:
Mini 160 retails for 699 euro
699 x 1.43 = 999.57
the Mini 160 sells around 880$ give or take.
Since we make large purchases with RE we are able to offer prices to our dealers that reflect lower retail pricing even with the cost of shipping.
We get inquiries from Germany to buy RE products from us & or our dealers since it is cheaper here.

[gcarroll]

I think he means that with the current UDS/Euro exchange rate, it my be more cost effective to build in the US. Just like how many European car companies are building factories in the US to build more of their cars here.

[Proline]

Greg
We are still hoping ,our economy will bounce back in time:) :)
Also cost of setting up a manufacturing facility same as what Klaus has will be too high.
Another point is that, one of the main reasons for quality of RE products is Klaus supervising the production ,which would be kind of hard to convince him To move here I think :D
BTW
I guess you met with the owners in Atlanta & they were telling me maybe we'll see you @ RAP.;)

[Paulairduck]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13385751#post13385751 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gcarroll
I think he means that with the current UDS/Euro exchange rate, it my be more cost effective to build in the US. Just like how many European car companies are building factories in the US to build more of their cars here.

Thank You, Greg, That is exactly what I mean. I know it would be a huge task, but in the Long Run Royal Exclusive and their customers in the USA would benefit tremendously!!!

[glassbox-design]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13378193#post13378193 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Klaus Jansen
@Glasbox-Design...

the 65 db is outside... this Pump can used outside the water, or submersible.... Subermsible is the Pump Deadsilent.... i am a big Fan from submersible Pumps... so much more silent....


Thank you for the clarification Klaus. I got to see it at MACNA and I must say job well done :thumbsup:

[Klaus Jansen]

@Paulairduck...

Nice Idea.. moved to United States.....:D I love the Amercian Way of Live..
Next summer we want come to USA for Holidays.

Where is the nicest Place in USA for living and working ? South-California ? Rocky-Mountains ?

regards.. Klaus

[kdblove_99]

I would choose the Rockys anyday over California. Matter of fact im moving to Boulder in the next few months. Cali is highly over rated

[Paulairduck]

Vacation/CNC house in the USA.:D

[sjm817]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13390516#post13390516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
I would choose the Rockys anyday over California. Matter of fact im moving to Boulder in the next few months. Cali is highly over rated
Colorado is really nice. Boulder is a bit....different.....

[burton14e7]

Duno about over rated but definately over priced. Having lived in Dallas for a year I cant wait to get back to orange county. Miss the beach, miss the mountains, miss the ability to do anything on a whim...not having to drive 15 minutes just to buy a head of lettuce or 45 minutes to get some vegetarian food. Guess it depends on your life style.....and Carls Jr double western bacon cheese burgers or in n out double doubles animal style :) :) :) :)

[Paulairduck]

you did not just put the Double Western and a Animal style in the same sentence. Simply Dangerous and Delicious:D

[JCTewks]

I think it's funny that you talked about driving 45min's for vegetarian food, then talked about 2 of the beefiest burgers around :lol: Kind of oxymoronic :lol::lol:

[moondoggy4]

Did you guy's say RAP? I hope to see you there. It seems that California gets short changed on the big European companies doing the show's. PS October is one of the best time for weather out here, even though it is always good here.

[hahnmeister]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13383722#post13383722 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by limitdown
Hopefully Hahnmeister will start a thread about how to DIY one of these like he did with a Red Dragon I
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1094749

ROFL... yeah right! I have no need for DC pumps that big myself, and necessity is the mother of all invention. OTOH, there are some killer little DC motors coming out of China these days... seems to be one pump that they actually get right... volute swap, AC/DC converter (maybe with voltage dial), and you can have something that is the size of a PSK2500 but 2x the speed for very cheap.

I was thinking with the controllers, how Tunze's new multicontroller is (USB link to computer for programming), something like that but maybe WiFi would be really cool for Red Dragon DC... no controls/buttons/screen needed on controller itself, and maybe then you could do some really wild and funky things with the motor timing like pulsing the output or using different wave patterns. Im sure as people get these, they would be able to swap programs and such. One benefit of changing wave patterns is increased energy efficiency... if you arent pumping against a strong head pressure or something, you can have the same peak power, but manipulate the waveform and shape to carve away wattage.

[Proline]

moondoggy
For this year we will just be attending the show ,next year we will be exhibiting.
We will be happy to see you there.
I am not sure who from the office is going yet ,but should be 2 or 3 people

[moondoggy4]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13402503#post13402503 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Proline
moondoggy
For this year we will just be attending the show ,next year we will be exhibiting.
We will be happy to see you there.
I am not sure who from the office is going yet ,but should be 2 or 3 people . Thanks I will look forward to seeing you there just have a sign saying Moondoggy4 we have your Mini 180 so I know it's you and not some imposter:rollface: