here's my aquascaping, all suggestions/comments welcome

[gusto1]

Here's my aquascaping, I know I'm not the greatest at it so any suggestions/comments are welcome (fire away). My wife doesn't like that it seems to be all against the back glass, I also have 1 more really big piece of figi shelf that I dont know where to put it's where it will be stable. it only 18" from front to back and really hard to work with ( I knew I should have gotten a 180 :D ).

Thanks Gushttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/gusto1/DSCN2644.jpg

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[audio101]

Looks unnatural with the way you have those top rocks balancing against each other.

[splateee]

Did you use any putty? The top rocks look unstable, you may get a rock slide. If i was setting it up i would lay the top rocks down. I know i spent forever doing the rockscape, it would never seem to look right :)

[joshkennedy07]

I would suggest using putty or drilling some holes in the rocks and inserting acrylic rods with super glue. You're just starting this project so getting it right in the beginning will save you many headaches down the road.

I got a large piece of cardboad and started stacking rocks until I was happy with the design. I used a 5/16" mason drill bit to drill the rocks and inserted 2.5" x 1/4" acrylic rod to bond the rock together in my cave.

You wife is right:) you should have a gap of at least a couple of inches to allow for good water flow behind the structure.

I would build a nice big cave with the rock you have using the big one for the top. Use putty or acrylic to prevent a rock slides. Keep your rock work away for the tank walls and you will have much better water quality. It took me multiple (at least a dozen) attempts to get it right, believe me it is a work in progress in the early stages of a new tank. Wait till the wife is away before you start pulling dripping rocks out of the tank;) .

Get ideas from other tanks. Check out some tanks of the month on this site to start.

[Aerowen]

maybe do some pillars & caves to make it look more natural, better flow and to remove the danger of crushing several hundred $$ worth of livestock.

[gusto1]

thank you everyone for your suggestions. I did use some putty on the bottom rocks.

whats the best way to make caves? it's hard aquascaping this tank because it's only 18" from front to back and then the overflows get in the way. I will try to get more room between the back glass. Now there's no water in the tank right now, do you think it's easier with or without water. I know the water kind of helps stabilize it a little.

[GSMguy]

try to avoid the wall, think in terms of islands and pillars.

here is my new aquascape, i am still deciding on what sand to go with.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/GSMguy/IMG_8943.jpg

[jason18]

I would also drill out some of your shelfs so you can peg your acros instead of epoxy or glue ,looks alot better that way.

[gusto1]

Thanks for all your help.....

I'm I getting there? I tried to create a few big caves

also there's a good 4" space from the back glass.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/gusto1/DSCN2647.jpg

[giants4pc]

Agreed that it looks unnatural if you want honesty. The top rocks are balancing. I didn't glue or epoxy any of mine in my 90 (and anyone who has a 90 knows it isn't the easiest to scape). I like the island look and I try no matter what to put rocks as they would look naturally. Rocks would never fall into place like you have them. I'm not trying to sound like an expert and certainly mean all due respect. I think if you try to separate islands, you will like it much better. Here's a pic of mine - I could use some retouching myself.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c35/giants4pc/DSC02535.jpg

[gusto1]

gsmguy and giants4pc, I do like both of your aquascaping, and I appreciate your honesty. Giants4pc how did you get all your rocks to pile into an island like that. I was trying something like that but I was nervous about them falling and trying not to lean them against the back glass

[giants4pc]

Many people prefer to build first on the glass and then add the sand. I don't do that. I built on top of the sand because that's how I feel it is best stabalized. I've grown accustomed to aquascaping because I'm never satisfied. I've been doing it for a while. It's just trying to get the right piece positioned in the right crevice/location - I try to "see" it before it's there. I think I got a little lucky too. But, it's been like this for months without problems. No secrets other than that. You have several smaller pieces. Put the flat pieces down first and build from there. I do use the back glass as support where needed.

[downhillbiker]

i used to build away from glass, and then had a pile fall over, i heard it across the house, scared me bad. now i just stack against the back. i agree. you need to add some larger caves, and not worry as much about the small openings. try and go for the two islands look. make two separate piles and ditch trying to make it all one continuous pile. i used to do that too, but like it much more with depth and some dimension.

here is my before:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm107/downhill_biker/downhill_biker%20tank%20pics/2008%20Reef/P7300001.jpg

and after:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm107/downhill_biker/downhill_biker%20tank%20pics/acan059.jpg

[joeycadre]

do what you like. don't worry about what others think.

but just be careful about staking rocks, you dont want them falling.

it just takes time and trial and error to get it right, but even then you wil be changing things around from time to time.

this silly hobby will make you nuts. seriously.

[otrlynn]

I'm wondering how much rock you have? It seems like the amount may be a little short of the lb. per gallon goal, though I am just guessing. It also looks like you have a lot of smaller rocks, which may be adding to your challenge. You might want to look for a couple of larger, but fairly flat pieces to form the bases for the smaller rocks. I really like the island look I have seen in some tanks on here, where there are two distinct "islands" of rock with some swimming space in between. If you do this, I would make one a bit higher than the other. To most people, a little asymmetry looks better...

[Canadian]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13530707#post13530707 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by otrlynn
I'm wondering how much rock you have? It seems like the amount may be a little short of the lb. per gallon goal, though I am just guessing. It also looks like you have a lot of smaller rocks, which may be adding to your challenge. You might want to look for a couple of larger, but fairly flat pieces to form the bases for the smaller rocks. I really like the island look I have seen in some tanks on here, where there are two distinct "islands" of rock with some swimming space in between. If you do this, I would make one a bit higher than the other. To most people, a little asymmetry looks better...

I wouldn't even think about attempting to implement the "pound per gallon" goal:

a) it's not necessary with appropriately sized equipment
b) less LR allows for more flow if the aquascape isn't a pile of rocks or a rock wall and, therefore, less rock allows for improved filtration capabilities (obviously there's a happy medium at play here)
c) more LR in a 90g tank which is quite narrow to begin with will force you to start building what looks like a retaining wall instead of building unique open shapes that accentuate the height of a 90g tank.

[Logzor]

Gusto.

Take you rocks and try stacking them into three separate towers, going as high as possible while keeping them stable.

You have some great puzzle piece type rocks that would link together really well.

[gusto1]

Thank you, since it's all base rock and I have no water in the tank I'm going to try to get some caves and maybe a few piles. I do want to make sure I leave open spaces for water flow like Canadian said. I guess I can play until I get something I like. Now the total amount of rock I have is 120 lbs which I thought was good for a 150, I do need a few lbs of Live rock to seed these rock. I did this this afternoon

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[Lewin]

Better. I would leave the center completely open. The structure is still a bit angular though. When you close your eyes and then open them all you see is those two flat planes of rock very angular, and right next to eachother. Take out the center flat piece and leave that section open. Then see if you can add that peice into the rock pile without the cave (The tank's right side) in a way that adds height and masks the huge exposed overflow.

Think ahead to what rock structure you will want in a year when everything has grown in. Leave space.

[sirgeez]

Its looking much better

[gusto1]

Thank's, I'm going to try to work off this plan and maybe try Lewin suggestion of making another cave.

[audio101]

The main thing is picturing what it will look like once it's all filled in with the type of corals you plan on getting.

[Gdevine]

Honestly, with a wide tank like you have you should go for a "reefs edge" look. In other words, looking at your tank from the front you'd see a "V" shape in the rock formation where the rock is the highest to the left side and the right of the tank then it descends down so that in the middle of the tank you have about 4 to 6 inches of sand and not rock. This is a killer look and very natural.

Judging by the rock you have in your tank now you'd probably need more to pull off my suggestion but you have the shot NOW to do something killer.

BTW, don't be afraid to ask a vet at a LFS to stop by your house to help you; a few cold ones go a long way and you'll be happy you asked for the help:)

[gusto1]

How's this a friend came over and helped, I have to clean the glass of course.

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[ReefBum]

I think you are close with the way you had it in this picture.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/gusto1/DSCN2761.jpg

I agree with some of the others about creating islands and having an open area in the middle. You want to make sure the entire structure is stable and natural looking as well. I used about 7-8 big rocks to start my reef and it is not going anywhere.

http://reefbum.com/linked/tankapril1607pic3b.jpg

[Logzor]

I like the latest picture a lot better! I would like to see the rocks higher but it doubt they would be stable since none of those piece are huge and flat enough to be support rocks.

I think I am just obsessed with the island structures now, though:

http://fc59.deviantart.com/fs36/i/2008/280/2/c/Rock_in_Tank_by_Logzor.jpg

Dry rock from BRS, about 8 hours of stacks and arranging, then a few hours to drill and silicone together, total cost (lots of extra rock) around 350 bucks.

[redvicki]

Here's mine, it's drilled then PVC pipe through it. Just another example for you.

http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q419/redvicki/tankJuly27.jpg

[reefierone]

reef bum i love your tank!!!!