Mod a Tunze 6000 to 6100 for cheap!!!!!!!

[gweeto]

So I got a new in box Tunze 6000 and was surprized to find the motor labelled 6100.10

It seem fishy <-- lol
and thought I might have been scammed from ebay

I did some research and found out that the two models (6000, 6100) both use the same prop, motor, shroud, and driver. the only differend was the transformer which to my basic knowledge looks like a common stepdown transformer. It looks like its the driver that converts it to DC curret.

This means that you are paying an extra $160 for a different transformer.
This means you should be able to mod a 6000 into a 6100.

My goal is to open this can up and help out the hobby and am looking for some help.

Unfortunatly my plans changed and I needed a 6100 instead and bought that too before I learned about this. the good thing is I will have both transformers to physically compare the two and make a DIY model for everyone.

PM me if you are knowledgeable in this field and I will post some figures once I get the both. The one I have has something funny ablut the output which I am guessing was done to throw people off.

I shop at Sayal and plan on getting good help there too.



Thanx for reading

Gweeto (the LED freak)

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I think people have done it by just buying the replacement 6100 transformer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tunze-Transformer-6200-800A-For-Tunze-Stream-6100_W0QQitemZ120319438430QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120319438430&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[gweeto]

thanks for the info

It would cost me $40 with shipping
that is much cheaper than new from tunze but I am sure I can build it myself for $10.

[danceswithfish]

Thats is an awesome idea. You can also order a new transformer through tunze or tunze dealers to upgrade a 6000 to a 6100, but it is a little pricey.

[landy]

not sure if this qualifies as a do it yourself... ?

tunze streams run on 24v dc.

Don’t think it is worth your time to build a power supply. If you’re doing it to save money, you won’t.

Find a 24v dc power supply with around 130w (62, 63 series streams) and your done.

One of the power supplies I use is a DRP 240-24 (http://www.meanwell.com/search/drp-240/default.htm) , running on 240v. It’s a slick little setup for two streams.

This supply is actually 10w short of handling two, BUT I never run my streams over 60% anyways. So no worries.:D



Landy

[landy]

i almost forgot :rolleyes:

tunze rocks !!!

[gweeto]

I measured the voltage out and (i still need to confirm this) the transformer is ac voltage. it is the driver that converts it to dc i believe. on top of that it looks like it is just a basic stepdown transformer.

once i get the two types i can get more definate answers

[landy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13609261#post13609261 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gweeto
I measured the voltage out and (i still need to confirm this) the transformer is ac voltage. it is the driver that converts it to dc i believe. on top of that it looks like it is just a basic stepdown transformer.

once i get the two types i can get more definate answers


:confused:

did you read my post?

if you test the output voltage of the transformer, i would consider that confirming it. what is left to do, an interview?

[gweeto]

I did read your post and was confused why you were talking about a dc power supply.

the item in question that i measured is definatly not a powersupply and most likely an ac stepdown transformer. I didn't have a good meter to confirm this.

I am a self taught tech too btw

and if it costs $10 for a replacement then it is worth the time and money to upgrade.

Do you bypass the driver too and have the power supply running just the pump. If so that option dosn't allow the use of the controller and light sensor making it useless for my project.

[landy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13609447#post13609447 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gweeto
I did read your post and was confused why you were talking about a dc power supply.

the item in question that i measured is definatly not a powersupply and most likely an ac stepdown transformer. I didn't have a good meter to confirm this.

I am a self taught tech too btw

and if it costs $10 for a replacement then it is worth the time and money to upgrade.

Do you bypass the driver too and have the power supply running just the pump. If so that option dosn't allow the use of the controller and light sensor making it useless for my project.


well, let me put it this way to ya. I have 4 streams, 2-6301's 1-6201 and a wavebox stream. they all run on 24v DC. some on the factory power supplies and 2 on the power supply that i linked to in my first post. they are all controlled by the aquasurf module for my neptune controller. the power side is seprate from the control side in a sense. the power supply does not effect if it can be controlled or not.


isnt there a label on your powersupply that says 20 - 24v DC output?

[EnderG60]

Im interested to see where this goes. More so Im interested to know if a 6100(or a 6000 for that matter) can be converted to a 6200 with a transformer(and or prop upgrade)

Landy, im curious as to how you are still controling the tunze's using that power supply. do you happen to have any pics of the setup wired?

[landy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13610097#post13610097 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EnderG60
Im interested to see where this goes. More so Im interested to know if a 6100(or a 6000 for that matter) can be converted to a 6200 with a transformer(and or prop upgrade)

Landy, im curious as to how you are still controling the tunze's using that power supply. do you happen to have any pics of the setup wired?

the 62 series streams have a different motor block, were as the 61 and 60 series are the same.

i dont have any pictures at the moment, but the connector for power and control are separate, so im having a hard time understanding why this is a question.

landy

[sjm817]

This is not new or secret info, but thanks for posting it anyway for people to see. The transformer upgrade from 6000 - 6100 is pretty well known and supported in the Tunze circles.

They can not be modded into a 6200.

Be aware that the 6000/6100 are a couple of generations old now. They were replaced by the 6101 which can be switched to a 6000/6100 equivalents with a jumper. These models didn't use the transformer and driver box. They use a laptop type power supply.

These are also not being made any longer. The new Stream 2s are a complete redesign and look like a larger nano stream. The new equivalent flow model is 6105.

The 6100 - 6100 upgrade info is still good for people who have the older units.

7410.602 6100 transformers (convert 6000 to a 6100 pump) (http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=T7410.602&Category_Code=Tunze_pumps)

[EnderG60]

well my reason for asking about the 6100 to 6200 is because I heard the wavebox uses a 6100 with a 6200 transformer.

[landy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13610441#post13610441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EnderG60
well my reason for asking about the 6100 to 6200 is because I heard the wavebox uses a 6100 with a 6200 transformer.

it has a 62 series prop assy, not sure if it has a 62 series power supply,, maybe.

landy

[malulu]

i am a bit confused...?

- the 6000 comes with NO controller.
- the 6100 comes with a transformer and a controller.
- the wave-maker circuit will need to plug in the controller for it to work.

so, if the UPGRADED transformer without a controller for the 6000, even if it converted to as powerful as 6100, how to hook up the wave-maker circuit ?

thx

[gweeto]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13798974#post13798974 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by malulu
i am a bit confused...?

- the 6000 comes with NO controller.
- the 6100 comes with a transformer and a controller.
- the wave-maker circuit will need to plug in the controller for it to work.

so, if the UPGRADED transformer without a controller for the 6000, even if it converted to as powerful as 6100, how to hook up the wave-maker circuit ?

thx

you are incorrect
I stated at the start of the thread

"I did some research and found out that the two models (6000, 6100) both use the same prop, motor, shroud, and driver . the only differend was the transformer which to my basic knowledge looks like a common stepdown transformer. It looks like its the driver that converts it to DC curret."

[markandkristen]

Malu the 6000 and 6100 do not come with a controler such as a single or multi controller.

they do both come with a driver box.

the 6000 comes with a smaller transformer and the 6100 comes with the bigger tranformer.

as others have stated making a big tranformer will be the key and i would love to see the results.

[gweeto]

I looked into finding a triodial transformer with the same specs and was suprised they were so expensive, around $60.

So as it sounds, you are best to buy a used transformer on ebay for a cheap upgrade.