Hybrid Onyx perc with Black Ocellaris

[Sanjay]

Recently my odd couple - Onyx percula and black ocellaris decided to spawn. I was able to raise a couple of batches of these. Here is a short article describing my experience with these.


http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/reefs-magazine/51884-odd-couple-percula-onyx-x-ocellaris-darwin.html

The first surviving batch is now about 5 months old, and starting to develop some black coloration.

sanjay.

[PSam]

Very cool & great photos.

Looking forward to see how that 2nd batch progresses.

[joshsaul]

Great read, thanks!

[Lmecher]

That was wonderful, thanks for sharing your experience. I have an ocellaris pair that has just spawned, I got mine for Christmas. I also have an odd couple, a perc onyx w/black and white ocellaris, hmm. I have decided however to seperate them. I am planning to get another onyx, keeping the breed pure. I am planning to raise a batch of ocellaris soon.

[Sanjay]

Here are some latest pics of 2 that I moved out of growout into my 55G tank. They seem to have the ocellaris face with the percula eyes. They also have the ocellaris trait of the third stripe developing rather quickly unlike the onyx percs where it takes a long time to develop.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/clownfish-1-010609.gif


http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/clownfish-2-010609.gif

sanjay.

[Lmecher]

That is a beautiful baby, I love the black coloration, pretty interesting.

[Doni]

Excellent read. Thanks for sharing.
They're beautiful juveniles!

[NirvanaFan]

Congrats on rearing the fish this far. Nice article with some great pics as well! I noticed in the article you said that a picture of your larval catcher would be posted. Would you mind sharing a few pictures of it? I've been using the old "dunk the cup in the water" method to catch my baby clowns but I can't ever get the whole clutch. I built a catcher at one point, but wasn't happy with the results.

Thanks

[Sanjay]

These guys have been developing nicely for me. They are now at around 7 months old.

Around mid Jan I sold a few to people in the Manhattan area and it has been rather interesting to see how they are developing in other tanks. They started thread with pictures, and here is a link to it, where you can see the development.

http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/photography/57140-sanjays-clowns-club.html

sanjay.

[Haddonisreef]

I really like the clown with the most Blk that you are keeping. Awesome read.

[Sanjay]

Yeah.. this one is starting to look awesome. I hope its color does not change anymore.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/hybrid-040209.gif


sanjay.

[michellejy]

That is beautiful. I saw your thread on MOFIB, and it is so interesting to see how these have developed.

[z's_N_p's]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14750371#post14750371 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sanjay
Yeah.. this one is starting to look awesome. I hope its color does not change anymore.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/hybrid-040209.gif


sanjay.
WOW!!!! nuff said!!!!

[fote03]

Very nice! Are u going to sell any on here? I would be interested in a pair!

[unbreakable]

woww. that would be awesome if you sold these!

[traveller7]

Let's not have sales and trade questions spill over into the discussion forums and ruin an informational post.

Thanks folks.

[rastarainy]

wow that looks amazing. the orange is so vibrate and bright!!

[this is me]

Sanjay,
Great looking fish! How many dorsal spine does it have? is it consistent with all the clowns?

[Diver Dan SD]

AWESOME!!!
I have a onyx and B+W occi pair as well!
Hoping someday they spawn!

[rkelman]

Wow Sanjay. That's a pretty awesome fish. You should try and get a pair of those and see if you can get them to spawn. It might be the next big thing :) Very nice fish. Are any of them full perfect bars? All the pics I see are misbars.

[OrionN]

Very nice. Is he the darkest of all of your babies? I an really see the Ocellaris shape in this clown.

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798763#post14798763 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by this is me
Sanjay,
Great looking fish! How many dorsal spine does it have? is it consistent with all the clowns?

I have trouble counting the spines.. hard for me to see.

sanjay.

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14803930#post14803930 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
Wow Sanjay. That's a pretty awesome fish. You should try and get a pair of those and see if you can get them to spawn. It might be the next big thing :) Very nice fish. Are any of them full perfect bars? All the pics I see are misbars.

The first batch had a lot of perfect bars. The 2nd batch I started playing with temperature to see if that had an effect on mis bars and it seems to. I got more mis bars at higher temps. I kind of like the mis bars - adds more variety to the fish.

I have a couple of these F1 that I am saving to see what comes from the F2 generation.

Also, now that the male is dead, I will pair the female with one of its off spring.

sanjay.

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14804440#post14804440 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OrionN
Very nice. Is he the darkest of all of your babies? I an really see the Ocellaris shape in this clown.

He is the darkest of the ones I kept from the first batch. There seem to be others that are just as dark or even more black among the ones that others got from me.

Plus at this point, I do not know how dark/black they will get over time. My guess is that in the worst case you will end up with an awesome looking Onyx, or a completely black occellaris looking fish.

I personally hope that they retain the orange in parts of the body and fins. That is how I like them.

sanjay.

[elegance coral]

Beautiful fish. You should come up with a name for them. Hybrid Onyx/Black ocellaris doesn't do the fish justice. Very unique and awesome fish.

[Arati]

We been calling them Sanjays GLE Clownfish (genetic limited edition). lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/aratifingers/march09/th_MVI_1734.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v693/aratifingers/march09/?action=view&current=MVI_1734.flv)

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14805312#post14805312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
Beautiful fish. You should come up with a name for them. Hybrid Onyx/Black ocellaris doesn't do the fish justice. Very unique and awesome fish.

Yeah, we need to come up with a name for them.

I am thinking - BLACK PHOTON Clownfish ;-)

Any other suggestions ?

sanjay

[rkelman]

Black Sunrise :)

[TXChewy]

Sanjay,

Damn fine looking clownfish! I had been meaning to contact you about a pair or 2 or 3 - lol. Then low and behold tonight there was a pair in the DD. I knew not to keep shopping to fill my cart or I would loss them. Just think this pair was born in NY went to see OH and now are headed to TX.

Can't Wait

[joe1584]

Looks like a pair made it onto divers den.

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14847923#post14847923 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TXChewy
Sanjay,

Damn fine looking clownfish! I had been meaning to contact you about a pair or 2 or 3 - lol. Then low and behold tonight there was a pair in the DD. I knew not to keep shopping to fill my cart or I would loss them. Just think this pair was born in NY went to see OH and now are headed to TX.

Can't Wait

You are off by a few states :D

Pair was acquired in CO, babies born in PA, went to Wisconsin, and now heading to TX.

Enjoy the fish.. and keep us posted on them.

sanjay.

[TXChewy]

I thought you were PA but for some reason I was thinking about a reef club in NY.

Ofcourse this goes to prove my rule - Dont drink and type.

I hate rules.

Hey how many pairs did you send DD? Is this the first pair they have sold? Can we expect them to sell some more?

Thanks Again

[EMBRYOGUY]

sanonyx : (SANjay : NON- ONYX: non traditional onyx) : fish of that quality defines your culturing environment. congrats.

[ILLiDaN]

so pronounced as sonics?lol

[Sanjay]

I hope this is not considered a selling post.. since all I am doing is documenting the clownfish. These were sent to DD several months ago, and I had not seen how they had developed until just now.


http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/Sanjay%27s_Black_Photon_Clownfish_(Pair).jpg

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/Sanjay%27s_Black_Photon_Clownfish_(Pair)-2.jpg

I am very interested in keeping track of how they develop, so whoever ended up with these fish.. please keep posting pictures.

sanjay.

[Lifes A Beach]

Just curious...how much did they sell for on DD? Nice fish!

[OrionN]

Looks like somebody gave these clowns a name
Black Photon-What a name...
Black as in out of the visible spectrum? Ultra high frequency gamma ray or low frequency radio waves?

[Heterodonut]

Sanjay, I saw a pair of your fish for sale on Diver's Den @ L.A. Did you contact them to sell them, or did they go through another channel and end up there? If you don't want to post such info in this thread I understand, but if you could PM me I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing the info on how you brought these fish up.

[Sanjay]

I'll PM you.. lets keep the selling info out of this thread.

sanjay.

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14881101#post14881101 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OrionN
Looks like somebody gave these clowns a name
Black Photon-What a name...
Black as in out of the visible spectrum? Ultra high frequency gamma ray or low frequency radio waves?

BLACK as in both parents being predominantly black color. The black ocellaris and Onyx Perc.

PHOTON - from the ongoing ribbing I take from my friends who have labeled me the PHOTON MAN due to all my lighting work and presentations. They took it far enough that PHOTON MAN made to the cover of a reef magazine.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/other/issue-12-front-cover.gif

Hence my fun name for these fish - BLACK PHOTONS Black clownfish hybrids raised by the PHOTON MAN. :lol: :lol:

sanjay.

[Heterodonut]

Sounds like they're Black Photons!

[OrionN]

Just kidding Sanjay:D , please don't be offended.
Some of the names "we" call the corals are just out of this world sometime. Your explanation seem to make lots of sense. Your works on the light are great and very useful. Thanks

[Sanjay]

No offense taken. Now you know the history of the fish and the name ;-)

sanjay.

[Kinetic]

Found a pair on LiveAquaria! Going to see how they do when they arrive on Wednesday!

[Sanjay]

Ah.. found the thread that I was looking for.

Here is updated pics of the pair in my 55G tank. These are a year old now.

The female:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/55G/black_photon_female_082609.gif

The male:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/55G/black_photon_male_082609.gif

sanjay

[DGee]

Are these two hosting anything?

The reason I ask is because of any color loss they might have from hosting an anemone. I remember some people saying that their onyx would lose their color when hosting bta's but if removed the anemone the onyx color would come back.

I also want a pair of these. What was the price you saw on LA?

Are you selling any of these direct Sanjay?

[Snakebyt]

very interesting fish you got there

[Sanjay]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15607182#post15607182 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DGee
Are these two hosting anything?

The reason I ask is because of any color loss they might have from hosting an anemone. I remember some people saying that their onyx would lose their color when hosting bta's but if removed the anemone the onyx color would come back.

I also want a pair of these. What was the price you saw on LA?

Are you selling any of these direct Sanjay?

These 2 are actually hosting in a sebae anemone.

The mother which is a true onyx, is hosting in a RBTA and has not lost any black color.

I am not selling direct. The only ones that ever got sold direct were at a Manhattan Frag swap.

sanjay.

[AJ69]

Sanjay,
could you send me a pm with info how/where can I get them?

[tufacody]

Just check divers den. That is where I got mine, and they have a pair every 3-4 days.

I heard that the male had died Sanjay? Is this not true or just hype to up the value?

[Sanjay]

Yes, the male is dead. There is no hype here.

I now have the female paired with one of its young, and they spawned for the first time last week, but the eggs were all eaten. I am hoping they spawn again. This will also provide further evidence on the fertility of these fish.

sanjay.

[bencozzy]

ok so from everything ive seen hybrids in the same complex are usually fertile. also the hybrids of melanistic polymnus and sebea, f1s are dark but their f2 offspring are even darker. something to do with a strengthing of the melanistic gene.

a nice dark all black fish with no stripes would be sweet looking, any takers on making this happen??

or how about a a black photon hybridized with a white stripe maroon clown, that would look sweet!!

[oceancube78]

man all this clownfish breeding and stuff reminds me of my ball pythons,, everyone's trying to make new designs or colors lol should be cool to see the new clownfish, or what other type percula someone creates..

[austinh]

awesome clowns i like the mostly black look

[tufacody]

Very glad to hear that the line will live on. I have a pair that are adorable and will soon get their own tank.

Sanjay - how are they taking to BTA? Any nem suggestions for them?

[Sanjay]

They are taking quite easily to BTAs, from what I have heard from others.

sanjay.

[Sanjay]

As you can see from the picture below.. the hybrids are fertile !. This a pairing of the original mother with the hybrid offspring.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sbj4/aquarium/clownfish-breeding/clownfish-eggs-090709.jpg


sanjay.

[OrionN]

Sorry if you mentioned this before. Is the mother the Black ocellaris or the Onyx percula?

[OrionN]

Nevermind. I read your article again and got the information I wanted to know. From the picture, the black Ocellaris got to be one of the most beautiful black Ocellaris I ever saw. Sorry that you lost him.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Awesome Sanjay!!

[E.intheC]

great looking fish! (looks like you'll have some more offspring as well!)

[Kinetic]

so sorry to hear about the male. is all this inbreeding going to have some adverse effects? just curious as a very naive fish person.

My pair have been doing really well now for 2 months. They've of course ignored the BTA and host the hard corner of my bare bottom glass tank!

I'm not sure why, but both have large protruding chins, that are often white. Looks like a tooth coming out or something. It could be because they're rubbing constantly against glass?

Anyone else have pictures or know of theirs having strange chins?

This is when I first got them 2 months ago. Since then their bodies have become completely black with white stripes, with only the bottom fins and faces holding orange.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/3861636494_ec9c9067d0.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3860853489_60f1665d44.jpg

[tufacody]

My photons are going strong and look great, but they won't take to the BTA. Gonna try LTA or haddoni next.

[E.intheC]

tufa, you have pics? By the way, I've never had a pair of clowns host an anemone. They act like nothing is different, and even preferred to host a power head in one circumstance. crazy clowns, clowning around..

[youpey]

i have never tried or wanted to breed clowns, but now i kind of hope to. i dont have the space for another tank, but i think i would make some

[Arati]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/aratifingers/october09/th_MVI_3407.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v693/aratifingers/october09/?action=view&current=MVI_3407.flv)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/aratifingers/october09/IMG_3412.jpg

[tufacody]

tufa, you have pics? By the way, I've never had a pair of clowns host an anemone. They act like nothing is different, and even preferred to host a power head in one circumstance. crazy clowns, clowning around..

No pics, but here's a tank cam:

http://reeftank1.viewnetcam.com

user "fishtank"
pass "percula"

Lights on for another hour or so

[tufacody]

just as I went to put the cam on this tank for you I noticed they are testing out the BTA! How cool is that?

[Kinetic]

pw didn't work

[tufacody]

hmm, not sure why its not working

try

http://reeftank1.viewnetcam.com:50000