difference in skimmers

[Firesole]

I'm looking to upgrade my system and have been looking at skimmers. What is the difference between needle wheel skimmers and venturi? Which are better? I'm also taken a back at the prices of decent skimmers. All I can really see my self spending would be in the ball park of 150.00. I currently have a 75 gal system ( 55 tank/ 25 sump) looking to upgrade to a 75-90 gal tank and maybe even a larger sump in the future. Can you suggest a good skimmer in that price range for my system? I was looking at the Coralife Venturi wheel on marinedepot for $145.

[longdangler]

The Octopus NW are in that price range and work great

[NirvanaFan]

Consider buying a used skimmer. You can get a better skimmer for less money than buying it new.

[atblj5]

This may help.


What is a Protein Skimmer?
In general terms, a protein skimmer is a piece of equipment that uses a mixture of air and water to create a column of tiny rising bubbles that "grab" skum, film, and dissolved organic waste materials (DOC's) by binding those pollutants to their surface. The bubbles take the DOC's to the top of the skimmer, where the bubbles pop in the collection cup. Left without lift, the pollutants are marooned in the collection cup where they accumulate until you empty them. The efficiency of your protein skimmer depends on how hard the bubbles are forced into the chamber (harder makes them smaller) and how long they stay in the chamber (longer contact time means more contaminants are picked up).

The Importance of Eliminating Protein and other Dissolved Organic Compounds
Anyone who has ever seen the sludge left behind in the collection cup wouldn't wonder why that detritis shouldn't be in the tank. (UGH!) (It is the same sludge that accumulates in a hot tub after a bunch of party-goers uses the tub. The hot tub air bubbles perform the same function as a protein skimmer, except the aggragated sludge drifts into the hot tub filter where it is filtered away.)
Saltwater and reef aquariums are managed to much higher and more exact standards than freshwater aquariums because the fish and invertebrates are more easily stressed by poor water quality. Although nitrate (the end result of biological filtration) is less toxic than ammonia or nitrite to most fish species and invertebrates, corals cannot tolerate even the small amount of nitrate in a well-managed tank. Because the skimmer pulls out debris and detritis before it has a chance to change chemically into toxic ammonia and nitrite then nitrate, the tank stays cleaner longer. Biological filtration is aided. Water changes are minimized. And the sensitive species stay happy.

Whether you should to use a protein skimmer on a reef-only tank is still controversial. While it is a definite benefit in removing phosphates and detritis, it also removes some trace elements needed by some corals and invertebrates as well as some natural food sources such as plankton. If you use a protein skimmer in a reef-only or reef and fish tank, you will want to take the trace elements into consideration as well as turn it off for a few hours each time you introduce phytoplankton.

Protein skimmers also confer several other advantages. By disposing of debris before it pollutes the tank (or turns to nitrate), the tank will have better light penetration and less algae growth. The aquarium will also have higher oxygen concentrations which will help to stabilize the pH level. The filter, by virtue of the fact that less DOC's are being filtered, will operate more efficiently.

The additional benefits of a protein skimmer beyond just skimming sludge make it a very wise investment indeed. Your tank will be more stable, more beautiful, less work, and less expensive in the long run.

It is a well-accepted fact that marine tanks of any type and size need a protein skimmer. The higher the fish load, the larger the skimmer must be. Try to purchase the largest skimmer possible that fits within your budget and allotted space, as the more skimming you can create, the lower your maintenance duties and the healthier your tank will be.

There are several types of protein skimmers. Each has its advantages or disadvantages.

Co-Current Protein Skimming
Entry level. Best for smaller systems. The least expensive and least reliable. They use one riser tube with collection chamber at the top and airstone at the bottom. They are 100% dependent on the quality of the pump and airstone, as that is what dictates the size and quantity of the bubbles. More bubbles/smaller bubbles means more surface are for pollutants to adhere and more efficient skimming.
The major drawback to this type of skimmer is that the airstone or diffuser is likely to get clogged and ruined with salt accumulation and detritis. When that happens, the pump is put under tremendous back-pressure (often damaging or destroying the pump) and air bubble production is severely limited. No bubble, no skimming. Limited to tanks under 20-30 gallons.

Counter-Current Protein Skimming
More bubbles, tinier bubbles, more contact time.
In a counter-current skimmer, water usually enters at the top of the skimmer (utilizing a water pump) and air enters at the bottom (using an air pump and limewood air stones). The mixture of the two currents creates a vortex or swirling tornado of bubbles in the column of mixed air and water. The height of the skimmer column determines how long the bubbles stay in contact with the water. Counter current skimmers can only be so large and still be practical or aesthetically pleasing, so their effectiveness is often limited to smaller aquariums. The frequent cleaning or replacing of airstones makes them more work.
Venturi Protein Skimming
Venturi protein skimmers are usually smaller and quieter. They use a venturi valve to create a high-pressure jet of water that draws air into it as it passes through. The higher the pressure of the incoming water, the more air is drawn in. More air means more and tinier bubbles. Of course, the pump must be large enough to create enough pressure to draw enough air, or the whole project is jeopardized. This sometimes means a fairly pricey dedicated pump is needed. A pump that large can create more heat that will need to be dissipated. The venturi valve will also need to be cleaned frequently - not a difficult job, but it must be done or the amount of bubbles will be diminished.

Turbo Protein Skimming
Turbo Protein Skimmers use an impeller-driven water pump that mixes air and water like a blender. The impeller blade chops the air into frothy bubbles that are forced into the skimmer chamber. They rise, taking the pollutants with them. This is generally thought to be the best skimmer , although it is also usually the most expensive. (sometimees called a "Needle Wheel" skimmer)
Some Concluding Tips
It is my opinion that you usually get what you pay for. The least expensive skimmers are generally harder to set up and adjust, need more maintenance, and work less efficiently. While all skimmers need maintenance to work to their capacity, the better ones will save you hours of frustration, overflow headaches, replacement time, and fish death. Don't skimp here. Get one slightly larger than you think you need.

[nikon187]

Do not buy the coralife, it is a pain in the *** and way over priced for what it does. I second looking into octopus skimmers, also the vertex skimmers seem to be quite popular

[thebradybunch]

I second the Octpus NW series. I bought a NW200 for my 125 and scould not be happier. It is so easy to set up, basically set it int he sump, plug it up, and raise the output tube until you se foam about half way up the neck. That is it. If you are a DIYer there are tons of mods you can do but it runs great without any mods. Mine was $199.95 but it is a NW200 you only need a NW150.

[Firesole]

what are some good websites to find the Octopus NW on? I don't see it on Marinedepot.com

[Firesole]

What are recirculating skimmers?