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dwd5813
01/28/2009, 04:20 PM
this seemed to work out okay so far with the other thread, so here goes again:D

tell me everything you know about bangaii cardinals

Fig
01/28/2009, 04:25 PM
The Fish Breeding Forum has lots of info avail on them. Just another place for you to look.

mcintosh
01/28/2009, 04:26 PM
I bought three small (approx. 1 inch) Bangaiis from a guy who a had a great breeding pair. Two paired off and killed the third in my 55. I had the male hold three or four broods of 5 or 6 babies, but when he was not holding (even when he was) the mate was belligerant and the male slowly wasted away.

The babies raised themselves. They found the food they needed in the tank and grew into healthy happy adults. Many became food for other tankmates, but I did sell a few of them. I wish I had held on to a few, because I haven't been able to recreate that first pair.

scottallert
01/28/2009, 04:26 PM
they do well in groups, the males mouths are shaped like a U so it can hold eggs more effectively the femals are like V,
mine i had for 2 weeks before my tank dropped to the 60's over night and it died, it would hang over my hammer coral the whole time i had it, and never really swam around.

dwd5813
01/28/2009, 04:33 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14265250#post14265250 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fig
The Fish Breeding Forum has lots of info avail on them. Just another place for you to look.
right, forgot about that place. thanks. keep up with the tales, everyone, i'm into hearing as much as possible. tankmates, habits, feeding, aggression, lack thereof... any and everything you can tell me. :)

RyanEG
01/28/2009, 04:41 PM
When they get large they can be predatory towards very small fish IE chromis

dwd5813
01/28/2009, 04:43 PM
really? that's the first i've heard that. how big do they get?

snorvich
01/28/2009, 05:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14265267#post14265267 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scottallert
they do well in groups, the males mouths are shaped like a U so it can hold eggs more effectively the femals are like V,
mine i had for 2 weeks before my tank dropped to the 60's over night and it died, it would hang over my hammer coral the whole time i had it, and never really swam around.

Actually they do not do well in groups, killing off all but a male and female.

Kreeger1
01/28/2009, 05:42 PM
Actually they do not do well in groups, killing off all but a male and female.

plus 1

Peter Eichler
01/28/2009, 05:59 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14265422#post14265422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dwd5813
really? that's the first i've heard that. how big do they get?

A whopping 3 inches!:eek1: I honestly don't know where people get some of the things they post on this site sometimes... They're quite peaceful fish and usually won't bother anything other than copnspecifics. Also, they often don't do well in groups and typically two will pair off and then kill the remaining conspecifics.

Pterapogon kauderni is also on the endangered species list as a result of over collection for the baquarium industry and their small secluded population around Banggai Island. However, there are now new populations that have popped up in areas they were previously unknown and CITES rejected a decision by the US to protect the species. So, just how endangered they are is quite debatable.

They are also known to die mysteriously within the first few weeks of captivity and as a result probably have a pretty low survival rate. For that reason and those above it's best to seek out tank bred specimens or at the very least avoid newly imported specimens.

In the wild they often associate with sea urchins and anemones and are somewhat nocturnal; spending their days hiding under cliffs and overhangs. However, they often lose this behavior in the aquarium and will be active during daylight hours.

bosko
01/28/2009, 07:24 PM
I HAVE A BREEDING PAIR AND THEY DO FINE WITH MY TANGS. THE MALE PUTS OUT ABOUT 40 EVERY 6 WEEKS. I ONLY GET 5 OR 6 MAKE TO THE OVERFLOWS.

dwd5813
01/28/2009, 07:52 PM
Peter, good point on the captive bred. i'll absolutely be looking for those vs. wild caught. i know at least one lfs around here that frequently gets fish in from ora and the like so that won't be an issue. thanks for bringing that up.

seagirl
01/28/2009, 09:58 PM
This might be a stupid question, but can you tell male from female. If they kill eachother off untill there is 1 male 1 female, how can you be sure you buy 1 of each?

Peter Eichler
01/28/2009, 10:03 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14268202#post14268202 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by seagirl
This might be a stupid question, but can you tell male from female. If they kill eachother off untill there is 1 male 1 female, how can you be sure you buy 1 of each?

You can't be sure, there's no proven sexual dimorphism.

seagirl
01/28/2009, 10:35 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14268235#post14268235 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
You can't be sure, there's no proven sexual dimorphism.
thanks. so if i purchased a pair, and they were both the same sex, one would kill the other most likely?

Peter Eichler
01/28/2009, 10:58 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14268436#post14268436 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by seagirl
thanks. so if i purchased a pair, and they were both the same sex, one would kill the other most likely?

Correct.

redfishsc
01/29/2009, 05:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14268202#post14268202 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by seagirl
This might be a stupid question, but can you tell male from female?


Very easy. Just watch and see which bathroom they go into :bum:



Either way, these are beautiful fish, so be sure to have a sump ready if you buy a handful to see if they pair off. Put the "victims" in the sump until you can hike them back to the LFS or trade them off.