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rhunter513
01/29/2009, 07:24 AM
I am switching from IO Reef Crystals to Kent. Is there any truth to the idea that the switch should happen slowly? Any Kent users out there, do you like the salt mix?

Jeremy Blaze
01/29/2009, 07:27 AM
Yes.

I have seen many have problems when switching salt brands.

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 07:28 AM
ok How should I switch over slowly?

Jeremy Blaze
01/29/2009, 07:34 AM
IS this on your 24 gallon?

If so, I would look at doing small water changes with the new salt, maybe a couple gallons a week.

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 07:38 AM
Yes my nano. Is the reason because of the increase or decrease of ca,alk and Ph?

Jeremy Blaze
01/29/2009, 07:44 AM
Not sure to be honest.

There are probably a lot of things in the salts that can affect animals when the levels are changed drasticlly.

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 07:48 AM
ok thanks

In case anyone else is following - Any opinions on Kent's salt?

matthewscars
01/29/2009, 07:48 AM
I switch salt from Oceanic to reef crystals every bucket. I have found no issues what-so-ever in doing so.

If anything, the diverse trace elements would be benefical.

Dont believe everythingone person tells you :)

john rochon
01/29/2009, 08:19 AM
there has been alot of documented cases including myself of issues [bleaching etc..] when switching salts. sometimes it might be the 2 different brands or even the batch of one salt but it does and can happen. just go slow. why are you switching from one of the best salts??

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 08:43 AM
matthewscars - before posting here, I asked my local reef gurgru (who has been in the hobby for over 15 years) if i needed to slowly switch and he said the "risk" was a myth. But since I read so much about how it should be done slowly I thought I would get some opinions and experiences on here first. Thanks for your reply.

john rochon - using reef crystals is like constantly switching salts, I get different alk and ca reading all the time - currently getting dkh=10 and ca=380 - that's regular IO readings. So I want to switch to Kent for higher alk and ca. Which will mean less testing and dosing.

Tswifty
01/29/2009, 08:58 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14270141#post14270141 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by john rochon
why are you switching from one of the best salts??
That's a purely opinion driven statement.

In all honesty Reef Crystals is known to have lots of issues bucket to bucket.

To the OP... You can go slow if you want... I also believe it is myth, and as long as you prepare your water properly, and test the params before adding to your display, then buffer/match them... you should be fine.

I've switched salts 4 times without problems... Instant Ocean to Reef Crystals to Tropic Marin Pro Reef to Coralife/Instant Ocean 50/50 blend.

As long as you are mixing it properly and matching your params, I don't see cause for alarm.

matthewscars
01/29/2009, 09:01 AM
Your local reefer is a smart guy :)

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 09:24 AM
I am definently seeing a change bucket to bucket with reef crystals. Given that I will be increasing alk,ca and mag with Kent, perhaps I should to 50/50 my first couple water changes.

Thanks for the replies. My local reef gurgru is the owner of a reef tank service buisness and he has a geenhouse "coral farm" that is open to the public three days a week. http://www.reefsystems.com/ I trust him over anyone else and he is always happy to give advice - its just that his advice is often the complete opposite from what I read online and in some books.

john rochon
01/29/2009, 10:04 AM
hmm I always thought REEF CRYSTALS was one of the better salts

Bamm Bamm
01/29/2009, 10:08 AM
I've never had a problem with switching salts..

rhunter513
01/29/2009, 10:13 AM
IO and IO reef crystals are popular mostly because they are cheap and available everywhere.

BigJay
01/29/2009, 10:52 AM
RC has had "bad batches" in the past.

I thought most of the issues could be solved by mixing the bucket a bit. Is that not the case?

bfhaynes
01/29/2009, 12:34 PM
There are almost as many opinions on the "right" answer to reefkeeping questions as there are reefkeepers to ask.

At the end of the day, there are very few wrong answers, because different things work for different people.

Jeremy Blaze
01/29/2009, 12:42 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14271983#post14271983 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bfhaynes
There are almost as many opinions on the "right" answer to reefkeeping questions as there are reefkeepers to ask.

At the end of the day, there are very few wrong answers, because different things work for different people.

Well said.

Beanfish
01/29/2009, 09:31 PM
I do 2 gallon water changes once a week. I started the tank out using a bag of IO. Once I used thst bag I switched over to Coralife doing the same 2 gallon water changes with no ill affects at all.

OneReef
01/30/2009, 07:08 AM
I just changed to Reef Crystals. Had never used it in the past. I was impressed with the alk and Ca numbers from my first mix. I mixed up 15 gallons, and at 1.025, the color changed between 400 and 425 on the Ca on an Elos kit, and I got 9.98 dkh on an LaMotte kit. I was happy with my first bucket.

rhunter513
01/30/2009, 08:20 AM
My first couple of buckets of Reef Crystals was good too. Just tested my current bucket and it was low ca-370 and dkh-9 Those numbers are what to expect with regular IO, reef crystals should be higher. I've spent the last couple of months struggle to keep my ca and alk up because of this bad bucket. Lesson learned for me is to test new buckets and then test again when they are about half empty. Either way I switched to Kent.

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/30/2009, 08:41 AM
When changing salts, I'd just begin your regular water changes with the new mix. There is no need to speed it in with unusually large changes. I think problems truly shown to be due to changing like that are quite rare. :)

Jeremy Blaze
01/30/2009, 09:32 AM
Good to see you here Randy!

rhunter513
01/30/2009, 09:33 AM
Thanks for the reply Randy. I did a search last night about Kent Sea Salt and found an old thread about some bad batches. Has this problem been resolved?

Randy Holmes-Farley
01/31/2009, 06:55 AM
How long ago? You can find reportedly "bad" batches of just about any salt, and I've not seen any such comments about Kent recently.

rhunter513
01/31/2009, 05:24 PM
Again this is a old thread http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=807046&highlight=dangerously+low+alkalinity

I tested my new bucket of Kent - dkh=11 ca=480 mag=1200 I did a half and half water change and now my levels are perfect!