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bunglito
02/08/2009, 07:48 PM
Okay, startin up a 75 gal for some of the fishes I can't keep in the reef. Looking for some stocking suggestions/compatability etc. etc. Some that I would like:

For Sures:

Lunare Wrasse
Flame or Falco Hawkfish

I would like 2 of the below:

Flame Angel
Emperor Angel
Annularis Angel
Other Angels
Harlequin Tuskfish
Foxface Rabbitfish
Picasso Trigger
Saddled Toby
Spotted Puffer

Any other ideas or warnings are welcome.

mattsilvester
02/09/2009, 04:11 PM
Sorry, but your tank is no where near big enough for most of the fish you mention.

Flame angel
Hawkfish
Not sure about the toby (I think they are small puffers)

most of the rest are pushing it even for a 180 gal I'm afraid......

you could of course keep juvaniles for a short while..... but it would be a "short" while.

bunglito
02/09/2009, 04:49 PM
Something like this more in line than the lunare?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1379+1151&pcatid=1151

So Flame, Hawk, some smaller wrasse, one of the smaller puffers? Or still too much in your opinion?

jejton
02/09/2009, 04:52 PM
Most puffers get too large for a 75 gallon and too aggressive. Keep the flame angel and maybe the rabbitfish (someone else chime in on that one ).

tah532
02/09/2009, 05:13 PM
You can take a look at my stock list for my 75, and those 4 fish get along great with just enough room. There was a cherub angel in the tank for over a year until my son turned up the heater and cooked him. But those five fish were/are a great combo for me.

tah532
02/09/2009, 05:16 PM
Also, I had a Toby for a while. Great fish, very interesting and is a great size fish for a 75. I traded him in though cause I do like having snails on my maintenance crew, and he devoured every single one in the tank no matter what size.

mattsilvester
02/09/2009, 05:17 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14356807#post14356807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bunglito
Something like this more in line than the lunare?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1379+1151&pcatid=1151

So Flame, Hawk, some smaller wrasse, one of the smaller puffers? Or still too much in your opinion?

yes, that wrasse should be fine.
no - not too many fish..... just the ones you mentioned physically grow too big.

size wise - a good rule of thumb is that a tank should be 6-8 times the length of the fish - thats based on the fishes maximum adult size........ no, as far as rules go - see my signature below..... common sense should be applied...... it cannot be applied universally, and as you tend towards shorter tanks, the limit should be nearer to 8 times than 6........ so basically what I am saying is fish that have a maximum adult size less than 6", generally......

the 1" per 5 gallon rule is a bit old in terms of total stocking capacity - that could be pushed to 1" per 3 or 4 gals for a well chosen stocking list..... I'd aim for no more than 20" of fish until you get a better feel for your list.

FishyMel
02/09/2009, 05:26 PM
I think a picasso trig, a flame, and a toby. You also could do a snowflake moray.

Picassos only get a foot in the wild, they should be fine in a lowly stocked 75 imo.

bunglito
02/09/2009, 08:34 PM
I fell in love with the Picasso years ago and always wanted one but I've read they can be a bit mean, especially when they get bigger. Kind of hit or miss.
This is really the beginning of my non-reef safe fish adventures. I know some about tangs, clowns, blennys, goby's, cardinals, etc. etc, but not nearly enough about the compatability of these other ones. A picasso, flame and a toby would be sweet if those three could co-exist relitively peacfully. Odds? I also just read that the Picasso's grow about 1" a year, so I'd have plenty of time to convince the wife on getting that larger tank.

FishyMel
02/09/2009, 10:02 PM
I have a 5 inch picasso and he is meaner than my clown trigger but my clown isn't really mean at all. Overall, they are both pushovers. They grow an inch a year-ish but there growth really slows down after they get to be 5 inches. I think a picasso would be fine in a 75 for a couple of years maybe even his whole life. I think that he would play nice with a flame and a toby. I'd try to get a bluespotted toby because a valentini will have too similar colors to a picasso

mattsilvester
02/10/2009, 02:49 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14358556#post14358556 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bunglito
I fell in love with the Picasso years ago and always wanted one but I've read they can be a bit mean, especially when they get bigger. Kind of hit or miss.
This is really the beginning of my non-reef safe fish adventures. I know some about tangs, clowns, blennys, goby's, cardinals, etc. etc, but not nearly enough about the compatability of these other ones. A picasso, flame and a toby would be sweet if those three could co-exist relitively peacfully. Odds? I also just read that the Picasso's grow about 1" a year, so I'd have plenty of time to convince the wife on getting that larger tank.

I would concur with FishyMel that a picasso shold be fine for a few years in your tank - so long as you are open to the possibility of upgrading in the future. You may not need to, but should be prepared to do so if need be. So get him small and let him grow.

I think with a picasso trigger and the pink face wrasse, along with a nice sized flame angel and the saddled toby you would make the begginings of a great FO tank...... none of them are really ideal for a reef, and all are true mini versions of the big bruisers that us FO guys aspire to. Before you know it you'll be dumping the reef tank and upgrading to a 240 ;)

You could probably include the hawkfish that you want also in that mix...... te one thing I don't like about hawks is that they are "jumpers"...... every goby, blenny, or hawkfish I've ever had ended up jumping out > some within days > some after a couple of years......

bunglito
02/10/2009, 08:34 AM
Thanks guys, you've been a great help and I'm excited to get this thing rolling. So here we go:

Flame Angel
BlueSpotted Toby/Puffer
Picasso Trigger
Pinkface Wrasse or similar
Falco's Hawkfish

Any particular order of introduction? Usually the least aggressive first right?

Now on to the sump. Just got a 40g breeder and I'm trying to decide how I want to split up the chambers. For my reef, I have skimmer on left, return middle, and fuge w/ deep sandbed on the right. With this tank I'm debating using bio-balls, skimmer and return, or live rock in the tank, skimmer, return, refugium. With this bio-load are bio-balls a must or can live rock support it?

mattsilvester
02/10/2009, 09:14 AM
Live rock is plenty in my opinion. If you wanted to run with the same sump configuration that would provide you with quite a good system. If it works for you, then stick with it. Mine goes skimmer > fuge > return...... not a whole lot of difference really.

The one thing that I wold say is don't skimp on the skimmer. Something you might think of is what your long term plans are..... i.e. if you think you re definitely going to upgrade in the future, and you can afford to do so now, you might consider getting a big enough skimmer...... that of course depends on how big you might go in the future..... I wouldn't put a 500 gal skimmer on a 75 gal tank for example...... but what you could think of is doing something like the Deltec systemised tanks do. The run two equally sized skimmers along side one another...... so if you planned on getting something like a 180 in the future, you might get "half" of your skimmer now.......

Basically, I would say set your tank up like a reef with about 60-70lbs of good LR - maybe slightly less...... good flow, less light is required..... otherwise, same as reef.

Fish introductions..... well the flame / hawk / wrasse all have the potential to be nasty..... I'd probably go with the puffer > trigger > hawk > angel > wrasse....... depending of course on sizes

MedicalZoa
02/10/2009, 05:50 PM
my 75g has

dragon wrasse
harliquin tusk
dogface puffer
bluethroat trigger
picasso trigger
niger trigger
and 4 small damsels

my nitrates stay around 20 and i also use a RDSB.

these fish are all juvs and will be goin into a 125/180 prob within the next year.

MatthewLaw
02/10/2009, 08:50 PM
wow. that dogface will get large rather quickly...

MedicalZoa
02/11/2009, 05:23 PM
well the dog face is only about 3-4 inches right now and does swim around much hangouts in the middle of the tank then, eats and rests back in the rocks. but i have no problems keeping these fish in the 75g for now.

MatthewLaw
02/11/2009, 05:27 PM
wow only 4"...a real baby!!!

bunglito
02/11/2009, 06:09 PM
What do you think of the octopus skimmers, maybe a NW-200/ NW-150, or 160 extreme?

holfishbay
02/11/2009, 06:24 PM
I have a dogface puffer, a tomato clown and a yellow tang with no problems. Heres a pic.

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My dogface puffer is like 8". Has not even looked at my tomato as a snack. My nitrates stay at 0-5.

MedicalZoa
02/11/2009, 08:48 PM
yes 4 inches IS small. i have all these fish in there are no problems in the tank. trates around 20! ty :bum:

MatthewLaw
02/11/2009, 08:51 PM
looks good!

holfishbay
02/11/2009, 08:53 PM
Thanks!