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Syris1377
02/12/2010, 07:49 PM
Hey Mojo Im looking at the Eshopps PK75H or the Warner Marine H1 for my 40b sumpless tank which one would be a better fit for my tank? I will not be heavily stocked.

PS: I sent you a PM but Im sure you probably get slammed with pm's so I figured this would be the better place to ask...

Thanks!

PSS: Thanks for the response Mojo!!

lhm nole
02/14/2010, 08:28 PM
Mojo

Setting up a 300 gallon fowlr which skimmer would you recommend and would like to keep under 1000 if possible. would be running 200lbs live rock and pretty heavy fish load . I have researched octopus wm and bubble king so far and I am on mind overload please help.

mojo~
02/14/2010, 09:06 PM
Hey Mojo Im looking at the Eshopps PK75H or the Warner Marine H1 for my 40b sumpless tank which one would be a better fit for my tank? I will not be heavily stocked.

PS: I sent you a PM but Im sure you probably get slammed with pm's so I figured this would be the better place to ask...

Thanks!

PSS: Thanks for the response Mojo!!

The H1 is a really nice unit. It will cycle more water and air than the eshopps

mojo~
02/14/2010, 09:07 PM
Mojo

Setting up a 300 gallon fowlr which skimmer would you recommend and would like to keep under 1000 if possible. would be running 200lbs live rock and pretty heavy fish load . I have researched octopus wm and bubble king so far and I am on mind overload please help.

The MSX 250A, the super reef octo 5000 series is another good one.

lhm nole
02/14/2010, 09:10 PM
Thanks Mojo

Buganddoug
02/14/2010, 09:31 PM
Syris1377,
I am with Mojo on the H1 skimmer. That hang on skimmer Rocks!

alanmorehead
02/15/2010, 02:02 PM
Mojo,

I've been considering an upgrade to a 300g Marineland DD tank and looking for skimmer suggestions:

300g display tank: SPS-dominated w/ zoas and a few LPS, med-high fish load
250g "sump": A large area dedicated to chaeto, a sohal tang, and some frags. (Mostly open water volume)

I was hoping you could suggest options for both an in-sump and external skimmer. I would like to do an external skimmer this time, but it depends on how much of a difference there is between the skimmer options. I'd like to stay in the $500-$1,000 range.

Thanks - Alan

mojo~
02/15/2010, 09:13 PM
Check out the Super reef octo 5000 series. They will be a good fit for your size tank. internal or external.

KromiX
02/17/2010, 02:04 PM
Hi Mojo~, First of all, thank you for providing your time to answer all these questions, guys like you are great for this community.


I will be setting up a 40Breeder, with a 29g sump, No other filtration other than my skimmer. I will have nothing in the sump but the skimmer, chemi pure, and your various probes (temp etc..)

What type of skimmer do you recommend for me? I'm on a budget as I'm buying a lot of stuff but don't want to completely skimp either... I guess looking for a suggestion or two for bang-for-your-buck skimmers that will keep up with a decent bioload....`

And to add, do you know anything about the new (not yet released) SWC 120 Cone skimmer coming soon? It looks like you can get it with a pinwheel as well, cone, $200. Any info on this? Looking at it but worried since its not out to be a first adopter.....

mojo~
02/17/2010, 07:59 PM
I actually have the swc 120 cone. Got one of the first samples to hit the USA. It is pretty good. would be a nice fit for your tank setup. The vertex in 80 would work and the bubble magnus NAC 6 would be ok. If you are going to upgrade to a larger tank later then getthe nac 6 or the vertex in 100. if not get the swc 120. Nice little skimmer.

docstomper
02/17/2010, 09:24 PM
Hey mojo, how do you feel about BM200P for 180 gallon display and 55 sump?

Was also looking into Reef octo xp2000 or SRO 3000 Dont really want to go over 400 dollars thanks!

lhm nole
02/17/2010, 11:45 PM
The MSX 250A, the super reef octo 5000 series is another good one.Ordered my reef oct 5000 today

mojo~
02/18/2010, 07:50 AM
Hey mojo, how do you feel about BM200P for 180 gallon display and 55 sump?

Was also looking into Reef octo xp2000 or SRO 3000 Dont really want to go over 400 dollars thanks!

the SRO 3000 is the way to go out of the ones you have picked. Good luck and enjoy. its a nice unit.

mojo~
02/18/2010, 07:51 AM
Ordered my reef oct 5000 today

awesome, its a beast of a skimmer for sure.

jason2459
02/18/2010, 08:05 AM
I ended up getting the sro-lx2000s HOB to try out. It's a monster as far as HOB skimmers are concerned. The bubble blaster hy2000 is pulling massive amounts of air at 46scfh @ 45w. Been up for just over 4 days and producing super stinky wet skimmate. Painted it black and bairly noticable in the tank except for the microbubbles which will hopefully go away once it breaks in.

Here's a link to a recap of the setup in my journal with some pictures and a video of the bubble blaster starting up and the air meter.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16604863&postcount=523

gkb
02/20/2010, 08:05 PM
Hello, and thank you for maintaining this thread.

Quick question:

What would be the end result of bypassing the venturi on a downdraft skimmer (SealifeSystems Impact - rated at 300g) and replacing the stock pump with a Bubble Blaster?

Thank you again.

Sincerely,
Greg

Crustman
02/21/2010, 10:23 AM
Mojo, thanks for all your work and here is a question about a Vertex IN-100, 1st gen. skimmer. I cleaned it with vinegar and water because it was producing microbubbles. These were even worse until I figured out that I needed to put the pump outlet pipe deeper into the chamber. Finally I start producing skimmate again and I am talking to my Wife showing her how nice the tank is and I hear the ATO pump kick on, normal and Kalk is being pushed into sump. Pump does not shut down so I immediatly see that the skimmer cup is overflowing and the change in vol in the sump is causing the ATO to fill it with kalk. I unplugged the ATO, shut off the skimmer. It is back on and the water level in the skimmer is right, at the base of the collection cup. What happened, I only fed my fish, nothing else. I am not wearing perfume, my Wife does not have any on and we don't have any cleaning chemicals near the tank. Sorry this is too long like a manifesto.

E.intheC
02/21/2010, 10:34 AM
Mojo, thanks for all your work and here is a question about a Vertex IN-100, 1st gen. skimmer. I cleaned it with vinegar and water because it was producing microbubbles. These were even worse until I figured out that I needed to put the pump outlet pipe deeper into the chamber. Finally I start producing skimmate again and I am talking to my Wife showing her how nice the tank is and I hear the ATO pump kick on, normal and Kalk is being pushed into sump. Pump does not shut down so I immediatly see that the skimmer cup is overflowing and the change in vol in the sump is causing the ATO to fill it with kalk. I unplugged the ATO, shut off the skimmer. It is back on and the water level in the skimmer is right, at the base of the collection cup. What happened, I only fed my fish, nothing else. I am not wearing perfume, my Wife does not have any on and we don't have any cleaning chemicals near the tank. Sorry this is too long like a manifesto.

I'm glad that as a man you don't wear perfume :lolspin:

But on a serious note, I think it sounds like when you had the pump outlet too far out and it was creating micro bubbles, it was also sucking in air from the outside, hence less water. When you pushed the pump in more, it was able to put more water in the skimmer directly, which would raise the water level inside the skimmer, causing it to overflow. I'm not 100% that's what's happening, but it's worth investigating.

Crustman
02/21/2010, 11:53 AM
Thanks E in the C, I will look at this. I can see if the pipe is not in far enough that the bubbles will spill over to the outer chamber and to the h shaped outlet and air intake pipe. The pump gets air from a separate tube. What is an easier unit to adjust for a smaller tank like mine? I have a small sump also and the Vertex is touching on both sides.

E.intheC
02/21/2010, 12:12 PM
crustman, I think I'm running into the same issue. It feels like the outlet pipe's adjusting is very tricky. I'll make a quarter of an inch adjustment in the piping and it will go from being much too low, to overflowing. it might be something else I'm doing though.

lukinrats
02/21/2010, 01:36 PM
Mojo, I hear you are the man with the plan on skimmers. I think that I have a skimmer that I can use, but I ain't real sure that I want to. Below is a picture of the one that I have now. Now, I have this one on my 75 w/ 20-25 gallon sump/fuge. It woks great, and supposedly can be used on something bigger. It has a 7.25" body, with a 4.5" neck x 2 Aquabee 2000/1. I could add a third aquabee I suppose, but I am thinking that this skimmer will make someone else a nice toy to use.

I am moving into a 120 gallon soon, and I may or may not use the sump that I have. I might end up trying to build a new one out of a 40-50 gallon breeder. So my total volume will be something around 140-150. I am pretty sure that I will be adding a frag tank to the setup later on, so we can go ahead and figure in another 50 gallons. So a total of about 200-225 gallons. Right now I am liking the looks and what I read about the SWC cones. I am sooooooo open to suggestions though, so fire me out some recommendations when you get time. They do not have to be available right now, so anything cool that may be coming out in the next 3-4 months will work

Things that I would like to know, are things like this. Here are two SWC skimmers. Both (I assume) are for around a 250 gallon tank. Is there enough difference between them to justify the extra cost. Both have the Askoll Pumps, so I am assuming that the biggest diff. between them is the body

http://saltwaterconnection.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=11

http://saltwaterconnection.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=383



I am not opposed to Octos, and similar. I dont think that I want to spend the money on an ATB unless it is the smallest one. I have not read anything to convince me that they are worth that much more. Although I am sure that someone could point me to it. I think 400-700 will get me something good. Thanks---NathanS

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x10/lukinrats/Nsmithskimmer-1.jpg

cham
02/21/2010, 02:09 PM
Hey Mojo,
I have a 120g display, 20g fuge, 40g sump and 20g frag tank (all plumbed together) heavy bio load and I've been under skimming for some time. I wanted to get a beast of a skimmer and I ordered the Super Reef Octo 6000 (got it new for the same price as a 5000). My question is will I have problems with too big of a skimmer?

A 12" body and 6" neck is pretty stout.

mojo~
02/21/2010, 03:54 PM
Mojo, I hear you are the man with the plan on skimmers. I think that I have a skimmer that I can use, but I ain't real sure that I want to. Below is a picture of the one that I have now. Now, I have this one on my 75 w/ 20-25 gallon sump/fuge. It woks great, and supposedly can be used on something bigger. It has a 7.25" body, with a 4.5" neck x 2 Aquabee 2000/1. I could add a third aquabee I suppose, but I am thinking that this skimmer will make someone else a nice toy to use.

I am moving into a 120 gallon soon, and I may or may not use the sump that I have. I might end up trying to build a new one out of a 40-50 gallon breeder. So my total volume will be something around 140-150. I am pretty sure that I will be adding a frag tank to the setup later on, so we can go ahead and figure in another 50 gallons. So a total of about 200-225 gallons. Right now I am liking the looks and what I read about the SWC cones. I am sooooooo open to suggestions though, so fire me out some recommendations when you get time. They do not have to be available right now, so anything cool that may be coming out in the next 3-4 months will work

Things that I would like to know, are things like this. Here are two SWC skimmers. Both (I assume) are for around a 250 gallon tank. Is there enough difference between them to justify the extra cost. Both have the Askoll Pumps, so I am assuming that the biggest diff. between them is the body

http://saltwaterconnection.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=11

http://saltwaterconnection.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=383



I am not opposed to Octos, and similar. I dont think that I want to spend the money on an ATB unless it is the smallest one. I have not read anything to convince me that they are worth that much more. Although I am sure that someone could point me to it. I think 400-700 will get me something good. Thanks---NathanS

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x10/lukinrats/Nsmithskimmer-1.jpg

The SWC cones that just came out will not work well. THe older swc with the askol will work well. Not they dont work well , its just they are too small. The larger cone with the askol pump will work great. The SRO 3000, the msx 250a, the ATB 1050A are also nice choices.

mojo~
02/21/2010, 03:56 PM
Hey Mojo,
I have a 120g display, 20g fuge, 40g sump and 20g frag tank (all plumbed together) heavy bio load and I've been under skimming for some time. I wanted to get a beast of a skimmer and I ordered the Super Reef Octo 6000 (got it new for the same price as a 5000). My question is will I have problems with too big of a skimmer?

A 12" body and 6" neck is pretty stout.

Even the 5000 is going to most likely be on the large size for you. I dont honestly think the 6000 will work that well on your setup. it might for maybe a week then it will stop skimming. the 6 in neck requires a huge organic load for it to be functional.

lukinrats
02/21/2010, 04:36 PM
Thanks MOJO! So if you were going to buy a skimmer right now, which one would you go with?

SWC~250 1A or 250 A

or OCTO SRO 3000 or SRO XP300

or MSX 250 A

or Something not listed?

Thanks,
NathanS

madmike
02/21/2010, 05:18 PM
^^^^^^^

Same question for me... I have a 375 gallon mixed tank with a 180 gallon sump. I currently have a reeflo orca 250 running on it but would like to move to a newer cone style skimmer.

looking at the MSX 250 1A cone, the SRO XP 3000 and or the XP5000. What do you think?

Thanks!

mojo~
02/21/2010, 05:40 PM
Thanks MOJO! So if you were going to buy a skimmer right now, which one would you go with?

SWC~250 1A or 250 A

or OCTO SRO 3000 or SRO XP300

or MSX 250 A

or Something not listed?

Thanks,
NathanS

The ATB 1050 A would be myfirst choice. then the msx 250a then the swc cone with the askol

mojo~
02/21/2010, 05:41 PM
^^^^^^^

Same question for me... I have a 375 gallon mixed tank with a 180 gallon sump. I currently have a reeflo orca 250 running on it but would like to move to a newer cone style skimmer.

looking at the MSX 250 1A cone, the SRO XP 3000 and or the XP5000. What do you think?

Thanks!

with your volume you could go with the sro 5000

lukinrats
02/21/2010, 06:05 PM
The ATB 1050 A would be myfirst choice.5 then the msx 250a then the swc cone with the askol


What is it that is making you love the ATB so much? I am just curious. I know there has to be a reason, but I cant tell any difference in any of them really

I am looking real hard at the ATB and the SWC Cones. The 1050A and the 250 1A could be brothers by looks. They have the same pump.

The SWC is bigger. Is that right?

The SWC comes with the Askoll, but on the ATB it has to be added as an upgrade. Is this right?

Am I reading these right?

Later,
Nate

cham
02/21/2010, 06:19 PM
Even the 5000 is going to most likely be on the large size for you. I dont honestly think the 6000 will work that well on your setup. it might for maybe a week then it will stop skimming. the 6 in neck requires a huge organic load for it to be functional.

Should I down grade to the 5000? My order hasn't shipped yet, it should tomorrow.

I had originally thought I was going to buy a Bubble King one day. But if I bought one of the baddest SRO skimmers (looks to be a rip off of the BK 300 anyway) it could keep up with the big boys and keep my tank super clean for my SPS.

lukinrats
02/21/2010, 07:17 PM
Ok, so I think what I should do is this! I am sure that the cones are nice, and there has to be some sort of advantage to them, but I just can't see it being exponentially different. So, I think I should take the money I would spend on a cone, and then get the best conventional type skimmer that I can buy.

So what is the absolute best cylindrical skimmer on the market. Hopefully, it would be able to run in or out of sump. The pump that is proven, and pulls the most air, without getting as hot as a fire cracker. Then, I can work my way down from there

Thanks,
NathanS

mojo~
02/21/2010, 09:10 PM
What is it that is making you love the ATB so much? I am just curious. I know there has to be a reason, but I cant tell any difference in any of them really

I am looking real hard at the ATB and the SWC Cones. The 1050A and the 250 1A could be brothers by looks. They have the same pump.

The SWC is bigger. Is that right?

The SWC comes with the Askoll, but on the ATB it has to be added as an upgrade. Is this right?

Am I reading these right?

Later,
Nate

THe ATB 1050A has the askoll custom volute and is built well. Performs well and is very well balanced. Not to mention top of the line customer service.

Its just a complete package.

the swc cone body is a little larger good skimmer but the balance isnt quite as refined as the ATB. Just my opinion. But it is still a great skimmer. A cheaper material and just not the customer service that ATB offers.

Nothing wrong with either one.

BlueBadger
02/22/2010, 09:34 AM
So it sounds like, for a big tank (400G DT, 90G Sump, 45G Frag) with SPS and Heavy fish population, ATB is a good choice, What size would you do...I'm torn between the 10.5 Internal Deluxe or the 12.5......

Also does the Octopus XP-5000 External even compare with these???

mojo~
02/22/2010, 10:49 AM
So it sounds like, for a big tank (400G DT, 90G Sump, 45G Frag) with SPS and Heavy fish population, ATB is a good choice, What size would you do...I'm torn between the 10.5 Internal Deluxe or the 12.5......

Also does the Octopus XP-5000 External even compare with these???

400gal will need more than a atb 1050a.or the deluxe. i would look at the atb large.

The SRO 5000 series would be another good fit. They are pretty large and move a good amount of water.

BlueBadger
02/22/2010, 11:16 AM
When you say larger you do you mean their orginal cone skimmer large or deluxe 12.5 internal correct. They look to be very similiar and are the same cost....

Is the SRO you're talking about the cone or the non-cone

Dan

hammmerhead
02/22/2010, 11:22 AM
What is it that is making you love the ATB so much? I am just curious. I know there has to be a reason, but I cant tell any difference in any of them really

I am looking real hard at the ATB and the SWC Cones. The 1050A and the 250 1A could be brothers by looks. They have the same pump.

The SWC is bigger. Is that right?

The SWC comes with the Askoll, but on the ATB it has to be added as an upgrade. Is this right?

Am I reading these right?

Later,
Nate


Your gonna pay over 3 times the amount for an ATB to get the same air pull from a SWC/Askoll based skimmer. MSX skimmers are a thing of the past. Even though MSX skimmers are actually just like the SWC skimmers and built by SWC, SWC is no longer selling skimmers to a retailer to be re-labeled "MSX".

The SWC cone will pull almost twice the air (SCFH) as the ATB 1050a and just use another 20 watts. And the SWC is almost $500 dollars less.

Hal
02/22/2010, 11:39 AM
MSX skimmers are a thing of the past. Even though MSX skimmers are actually just like the SWC skimmers and built by SWC, SWC is no longer selling skimmers to a retailer to be re-labeled "MSX".

Are you saying that MSX is not going to sell the MSX line of skimmers anymore?

solitude127
02/22/2010, 04:29 PM
I'm sure this was covered at some point.... but I'm looking for a HOB skimmer for my 40 gallon. No sump, so total water volume will be about 30 gallons. I'm not going to have too much live rock in there, maybe about 20 - 30 pounds. I'm primarily going to use this for my quarantine tank. But since it'll be in my sons room, I'm looking for something quiet. I was thinking of the WM H1. Any other suggestions?

E.intheC
02/22/2010, 04:55 PM
The Warner Marine H1 is probably awesome. I used the H2 for a little while and liked it a lot.

Check out the Euro Reef line or the Tunze 9002 as well. The Tunze was VERY quiet and reliable when I used it on my 30 gallon cube. I've heard the Deltec MCE300 (or 600) is a great skimmer as well, but I have no personal experience with it.

mojo~
02/22/2010, 08:07 PM
Your gonna pay over 3 times the amount for an ATB to get the same air pull from a SWC/Askoll based skimmer. MSX skimmers are a thing of the past. Even though MSX skimmers are actually just like the SWC skimmers and built by SWC, SWC is no longer selling skimmers to a retailer to be re-labeled "MSX".

The SWC cone will pull almost twice the air (SCFH) as the ATB 1050a and just use another 20 watts. And the SWC is almost $500 dollars less.

The msx askol does not pull twice the air. I have aid this many of times. its not all just about the air. its about balance. But if you know more than I so be it. Just so many people hop on here and give opinions and really have no idea sometimes what its all about.

The msx cone is a larger cone and is injection molded out of different material than the ATB. Its all good.

You are correct. MSX will be no more. they are still out there though. and you can buy the SWC version which are what the msx were anyways. Just a sticker. Lets do some math. the ATB is about $1000-$1100 depending on where you get one. The SWC askol cone is $750. thats $250 to $350.

to me its worth the added cost. Try getting parts on the SWC skimmer quickly. if your tank is down. will they overnight the parts to you. No questions asked. Now I know one that might but he lives close But I know ATB will no questions asked.

Now the MSX 250A is a great skimmer and is still for sale. it is $519 i believe. I would go with it over the SWC cone. Just my two cents. The smaller swc cones that just came out are nice.

Mojo~

mojo~
02/22/2010, 08:10 PM
I'm sure this was covered at some point.... but I'm looking for a HOB skimmer for my 40 gallon. No sump, so total water volume will be about 30 gallons. I'm not going to have too much live rock in there, maybe about 20 - 30 pounds. I'm primarily going to use this for my quarantine tank. But since it'll be in my sons room, I'm looking for something quiet. I was thinking of the WM H1. Any other suggestions?

H1 is one of the best smaller HOB units out. Nice unit. Just my two cents.

Buganddoug
02/22/2010, 08:16 PM
H1 is one of the best smaller HOB units out. Nice unit. Just my two cents.

I will agree the H1 is one hell of a skimmer:beer:

solitude127
02/22/2010, 11:38 PM
H1 is one of the best smaller HOB units out. Nice unit. Just my two cents.

Thanks Mojo, is there any other skimmers you'd recommend for my needs?

PowermanKW
02/23/2010, 01:31 AM
Ok, so I think what I should do is this! I am sure that the cones are nice, and there has to be some sort of advantage to them, but I just can't see it being exponentially different. So, I think I should take the money I would spend on a cone, and then get the best conventional type skimmer that I can buy.

So what is the absolute best cylindrical skimmer on the market. Hopefully, it would be able to run in or out of sump. The pump that is proven, and pulls the most air, without getting as hot as a fire cracker. Then, I can work my way down from there

Thanks,
NathanS

The absolute best is Bubble King. You will spend more on a BK than you would on the ATB cone.

ECFENCING
02/23/2010, 06:01 AM
The absolute best is Bubble King. You will spend more on a BK than you would on the ATB cone.
BK's are great skimmers for sure.

I thought they were around the same price range but I haven't been looking.

ATB cone skimmers are just as nice IMO

mojo~
02/23/2010, 07:05 AM
Thanks Mojo, is there any other skimmers you'd recommend for my needs?

well with now sump the only other one worth gettin for your setup would be the Tunze 9002 in my opinion. Otherwise your money is better spent on water changes.

PowermanKW
02/23/2010, 08:16 AM
BK's are great skimmers for sure.

I thought they were around the same price range but I haven't been looking.

ATB cone skimmers are just as nice IMO

Guess I hadn't looked at the 10.5s lately. The regular is $1100 and the deluxe is $1500. The BK mini 200 is $1100, and the Deluxe internal 200 is $1700. Quite a chunk of change.

rgonzalez
02/23/2010, 10:38 AM
Mojo,

How much of a difference am I going to notice switching from a SWC NW 200 to a SWC Cone 160?

I'm going for a heavier bioload in my 90 gallon (w 30 gallon sump) and want to spend around 300$; and then I found the SWC Cone 160 which has had great reviews and is in my price range.

Your thoughts?

mojo~
02/23/2010, 11:09 AM
Mojo,

How much of a difference am I going to notice switching from a SWC NW 200 to a SWC Cone 160?

I'm going for a heavier bioload in my 90 gallon (w 30 gallon sump) and want to spend around 300$; and then I found the SWC Cone 160 which has had great reviews and is in my price range.

Your thoughts?

Well you could go with the SWC 160 it would work well. The cs 200e would work well too and is similar price. Both are a great fit.

Mojo~

rgonzalez
02/23/2010, 11:23 AM
Who makes the CS 200E? I can't find it...

Any other suggestions for skimmers that are better than the two aforementioned skimmers?

Well you could go with the SWC 160 it would work well. The cs 200e would work well too and is similar price. Both are a great fit.

Mojo~

mojo~
02/23/2010, 12:02 PM
well in your price range the only other one is the NC 7 or the ocean force by mrc

the cs200e is sold by royal reef aquariums I believe. its a nice cone skimmer as well.

hammmerhead
02/23/2010, 12:42 PM
The msx askol does not pull twice the air. I have aid this many of times. its not all just about the air. its about balance. But if you know more than I so be it. Just so many people hop on here and give opinions and really have no idea sometimes what its all about.

The msx cone is a larger cone and is injection molded out of different material than the ATB. Its all good.

You are correct. MSX will be no more. they are still out there though. and you can buy the SWC version which are what the msx were anyways. Just a sticker. Lets do some math. the ATB is about $1000-$1100 depending on where you get one. The SWC askol cone is $750. thats $250 to $350.

to me its worth the added cost. Try getting parts on the SWC skimmer quickly. if your tank is down. will they overnight the parts to you. No questions asked. Now I know one that might but he lives close But I know ATB will no questions asked.

Now the MSX 250A is a great skimmer and is still for sale. it is $519 i believe. I would go with it over the SWC cone. Just my two cents. The smaller swc cones that just came out are nice.

Mojo~

Wow you can get a 1050a with the single Airstar for $1000. Is that an insiders price Mojo? All I have seen are the dual Sicce models for $1000.

The ATB is listed to just pull 45 SCFH as compared to 75 SCFH with the SWC Askoll cone. I would say that is close to almost double...well around 40% more anyway. The SWC is a one piece cone with no seam, maybe the ATB is, maybe not. As far as the superior Austrian plastics ATB uses, I can't comment. $1200 vs. $750, call me cheap, but where is the added value?

IMO, the ATB is far over priced for what you get.

mj2351
02/23/2010, 04:11 PM
I currently have a 180 gallon display tank with a 55 gallon sump. It has medium to high bioload. What is the best skimmer I can get for under $1000 for my setup? Thanks!

alanmorehead
02/23/2010, 11:46 PM
Mojo,

I've been considering an upgrade to a 300g Marineland DD tank and looking for skimmer suggestions:

300g display tank: SPS-dominated w/ zoas and a few LPS, med-high fish load
250g "sump": A large area dedicated to chaeto, a sohal tang, and some frags. (Mostly open water volume)

I was hoping you could suggest options for both an in-sump and external skimmer. I would like to do an external skimmer this time, but it depends on how much of a difference there is between the skimmer options. I'd like to stay in the $500-$1,000 range.

Thanks - Alan

Check out the Super reef octo 5000 series. They will be a good fit for your size tank. internal or external.

Got the skimmer today! Thanks Mojo

This is my first external skimmer and I was looking at plumbing options. I plan on using the overflow drain from the display to feed it. I assume I just need to T it off with a ball valve so I can control how much goes to the skimmer and then divert the rest straight to the sump? Any idea roughly how many gph I need to run through it? The only thing that was included in the box was a diagram and the website just has "Under Construction" for the product. No instructions or anything. Also, I may run this temporarily in-sump until I get my tank upgrade finished. What is the recommended water height for that?

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winkdog
02/24/2010, 03:05 AM
180G reef tank /40G breeder sump/ 20G refugium

Need Skimmer ASAP

Octopus XP-2000 Cone
$380 new

Vertex IN-280
$400 new

Vertex IN-180
$280 new

Warner Marine S200
$220 used

What should I go for ?
Thanks,
Kevin

mojo~
02/24/2010, 11:48 AM
180G reef tank /40G breeder sump/ 20G refugium

Need Skimmer ASAP

Octopus XP-2000 Cone
$380 new

Vertex IN-280
$400 new

Vertex IN-180
$280 new

Warner Marine S200
$220 used

What should I go for ?
Thanks,
Kevin

The warner marine s200 would work just fine. other wise I would go with the vertex in 280.

THe s200 uses a sedra 9000ho pump and moves a good amount of water at 900 lph of air. Nice unit.

mj2351
02/24/2010, 12:32 PM
Hi Mojo,

I would first like to thank you for creating this thread. It has been very helpful. I currently have a 180 gallon display tank with a 55 gallon sump. I am looking to upgrade my skimmer. It has medium to high bioload. What is the best skimmer I can get for under $1000 for my setup? Thanks!

evil4g63
02/24/2010, 02:25 PM
Hi Mojo,
what skimmer would you recommend for a 30 gallon tank that will be lps, sps dominant with some softies and will have 6-7 fish in there? i want the pump to be outside the tank and only have a $300 budget. what would be the best for this application? thanks in advance.

mojo~
02/24/2010, 04:57 PM
Hi Mojo,

I would first like to thank you for creating this thread. It has been very helpful. I currently have a 180 gallon display tank with a 55 gallon sump. I am looking to upgrade my skimmer. It has medium to high bioload. What is the best skimmer I can get for under $1000 for my setup? Thanks!

These are the ones I would look at if it were my tank.
SRO 3000 series.
Vertex in 280
Warner Marine as 200 is nice
Bk mini gen 2 180 is right at 1000
vertex alpha 200

ziyaadb
02/25/2010, 01:44 AM
Hi all I want to setup a SPS dominant tank with the Berlin method. I want to put in either a Bubble blaster HY5000 or an OTX250. the tank will be 130G. I want a big fish load as well with lotsa chromis and anthias. I will also feed often. will this skimmer be ok or will i be overskimming?

darb85
02/25/2010, 02:13 AM
I am looking for the most efficient skimmer I can buy, best bang for buck kinda of thing. I need a In sump skimmer preferably but I have room for an external if it might be worth it to go that route.

I have 250 dollars to spend.

Set Up Specs:

120 Main tank, 50 gallon Sump, ten gallon refugium. so 180 gallon total.

My current skimmer is ok, but just a little under rated for the system.

I was thinking about a G2 but heard bad things and wonder if its under rated for my system.

Thanks in advance!

mojo~
02/25/2010, 07:37 AM
Hi all I want to setup a SPS dominant tank with the Berlin method. I want to put in either a Bubble blaster HY5000 or an OTX250. the tank will be 130G. I want a big fish load as well with lotsa chromis and anthias. I will also feed often. will this skimmer be ok or will i be overskimming?
Both those skimmers are too big in my opinion. Why not go with the octo X 200, the SRO 3000, or a vertex in 180. The others will shut down. IMO

ziyaadb
02/25/2010, 07:39 AM
Thanks Mojo, so the skimmer will not work because there wont be enough nutrients in the water even if I have a large amount of fish?

mojo~
02/25/2010, 08:05 AM
I am looking for the most efficient skimmer I can buy, best bang for buck kinda of thing. I need a In sump skimmer preferably but I have room for an external if it might be worth it to go that route.

I have 250 dollars to spend.

Set Up Specs:

120 Main tank, 50 gallon Sump, ten gallon refugium. so 180 gallon total.

My current skimmer is ok, but just a little under rated for the system.

I was thinking about a G2 but heard bad things and wonder if its under rated for my system.

Thanks in advance!
Well you have a 120 with rock in it right ? sump runs about half full. so probably closer to 120 gallons total water volume.

For $250 you will be ard pressed to find something. You can get a CS200E cone or $249. uses a quietone pump. But for $290 you can get a vertex in 180. Not going to get much improvement for a new one for $250. If you could get a used skimmer that might be the way to go. Otherwise just keep what you have. Is it working ? does you tank look good?

mojo~
02/25/2010, 08:08 AM
Thanks Mojo, so the skimmer will not work because there wont be enough nutrients in the water even if I have a large amount of fish?

The 500o series has a 6 in neck i believe. I would look at something with a smaller neck like 4 to 4.5 inch neck. but to answer your question yes. those are still too big.

miles405
02/25/2010, 10:33 AM
Mojo
I have a 58g sps tank with a 25g sump. I am debating now between the swc 120 and 160. I like the bigger size because I will have more flexiblity on tank loading and maybe it could be used in future upgrades do you think the 160 is too large?

Thanks
nick

qy7400
02/25/2010, 11:57 AM
Hey Mojo

Looking for ideas on my new tank, 450G mixed reef, medium to high bio load thanks to 5 tangs, 65 gallon fuge and 125 gallon sump; so overall say 600 gallon total. Was thinking either the MRC ORCA Pro 2 or Hurricone Cat 3 but before I do wanted to see what other opinions were out there.

Thanks

winkdog
02/25/2010, 12:40 PM
Mojo,

The used Warner S200 must be an older model it comes with the standard 9000 does not have the HO pump......

So I am trying to decide between

Vertex IN-280
Super Reef Octopus 3000 Internal
Octopus XP-2000 Cone

All are $400 which one would you chose ?

Thanks,
Kevin

phenom5
02/25/2010, 03:15 PM
Loads of good stuff in this thread.

I'm considering upgrading my skimmer.

I currently have a Euro Reef rs80, which worked really well on my previous tank, but since I've upgraded to a larger tank, I feel like it's a little under powered.

80 gallons TWV
Moderate- Moderately high bioload, focus on SPS.
In-sump.
I'd like to keep it under $300.

I'm considering:

SWC 160 cone or 120 cone - not sure if I could get away with the 120.
NAC7
and ???

Any other suggestions?

The other idea that I've kicked around is doing a recirculation & gate valve mod to the ER. Not sure if it's be worth it though.

mojo~
02/25/2010, 03:32 PM
Hey Mojo

Looking for ideas on my new tank, 450G mixed reef, medium to high bio load thanks to 5 tangs, 65 gallon fuge and 125 gallon sump; so overall say 600 gallon total. Was thinking either the MRC ORCA Pro 2 or Hurricone Cat 3 but before I do wanted to see what other opinions were out there.

Thanks

Both of those would be good. The 6000 series SRO is another to look at. I would say between those three. Maybe a MSX 300A but i am not sure it will be quite big enough. it would probably work as well. I would go with one of the other three.

mojo~
02/25/2010, 03:36 PM
Mojo
I have a 58g sps tank with a 25g sump. I am debating now between the swc 120 and 160. I like the bigger size because I will have more flexiblity on tank loading and maybe it could be used in future upgrades do you think the 160 is too large?

Thanks
nick

I would go with the 160. It just moves more water than the smaller 1100 pump on the 120. I have the 120 and I think the 160 would be a better fit

mojo~
02/25/2010, 03:37 PM
Mojo,

The used Warner S200 must be an older model it comes with the standard 9000 does not have the HO pump......

So I am trying to decide between

Vertex IN-280
Super Reef Octopus 3000 Internal
Octopus XP-2000 Cone

All are $400 which one would you chose ?

Thanks,
Kevin
the sedra will not say HO on it. you can only tell by the output on the pump. it will have a shiny acylic plate with a new 1" output on it.

mojo~
02/25/2010, 03:38 PM
Loads of good stuff in this thread.

I'm considering upgrading my skimmer.

I currently have a Euro Reef rs80, which worked really well on my previous tank, but since I've upgraded to a larger tank, I feel like it's a little under powered.

80 gallons TWV
Moderate- Moderately high bioload, focus on SPS.
In-sump.
I'd like to keep it under $300.

I'm considering:

SWC 160 cone or 120 cone - not sure if I could get away with the 120.
NAC7
and ???

Any other suggestions?

The other idea that I've kicked around is doing a recirculation & gate valve mod to the ER. Not sure if it's be worth it though.

Well the euroreef isnt a bad fit. if I was going to buy one in that price range I Would get the Vertex in 100, the NAC 7 or the SWC 160 cone.

mojo~
02/25/2010, 03:39 PM
Mojo,

The used Warner S200 must be an older model it comes with the standard 9000 does not have the HO pump......

So I am trying to decide between

Vertex IN-280
Super Reef Octopus 3000 Internal
Octopus XP-2000 Cone

All are $400 which one would you chose ?

Thanks,
Kevin
Oh and I would go between the SRO or the Vertex. The 280 is a beast of a skimmer.

CorkPullerPHL
02/25/2010, 03:56 PM
Hey Mojo, got a 2 part question for you. . .but first a little background on my new build. I'm putting up a 70 Gallon Aquarium with a basement Sump & Fuge. The sump will be approx 30 gallons and the fuge will be of the cryptic/benthic sort and in the neighborhood of 150 gallons (plywood build). The plan is to have the sump built in above the fuge.

The Q's:

1) Is it optimal to just skim the 500GPH that will come directly from the display's overflow into the sump? In which case I wouldn't need a particularly large skimmer, say: bk 160, Itech 100, or WM as150.

2) Are the WM k2 or atb 840 too big for this setup? I am considering as a back up plan having part of the return from the fuge piped back into the sump. This would give me the opportunity to skim many more GPH if needed.

Thanks! This thread has been extremely helpful. I appreciate how unbiased you have stayed.

qy7400
02/25/2010, 04:10 PM
Thanks Mojo.

It's been a while since the last skimmer purchase but have the ratings come closer to real numbers, always remember most skimmers were lucky to handle half the load they were rated for.

WI reefer55
02/25/2010, 09:00 PM
Hey, Mojo

I have a 60 gal and 20 high sump that has a skimmer section and a fuge. What skimmer would you recommend I am tight on space so something with a small foot print would be great. I would like to keep it under $200

I've been looking at

msx extreme 160 used
SWC Xtreme 160 Cone

any other small skimmers idk any other than these?

any cheaper ones that preform very well how are the octopus NW?

Thanks

cet98
02/25/2010, 09:04 PM
Hey, Mojo

I have a 60 gal and 20 high sump that has a skimmer section and a fuge. What skimmer would you recommend I am tight on space so something with a small foot print would be great. I would like to keep it under $200

I've been looking at

msx extreme 160 used
SWC Xtreme 160 Cone

any other small skimmers idk any other than these?

any cheaper ones that preform very well how are the octopus NW?

Thanks for $155 shipped, I think you would be well suited with the Bubble-Magus NAC6 skimmer...

but that's JM2C ;)

theshiver
02/25/2010, 09:06 PM
Hey mojo I'm getting ready to set up a 600 gal mix reef with 300 gal sump/fuge with medium high load will my reeflo orca 250 handle this tank ? any recommendations thanks

Merfin70
02/25/2010, 10:24 PM
Need a recommendation based on some space restrictions from a poorly planned stand and slimline sump. :hmm4: The tank is a 65g shallow SPS rimless soon to be heavily stocked:celeb2:. The sump space that works the best for the skimmer is 8" x 14" with 22" in height available. Got any good recommendations as I'm having a hard time finding something?

Edit: Water level in that chamber is 9" if that makes a difference.

WI reefer55
02/27/2010, 05:46 PM
for $155 shipped, I think you would be well suited with the Bubble-Magus NAC6 skimmer...

but that's JM2C ;)

Its got a great foot print.

msx 200 to much for my system I cant stop looking at it for $200

Any ideas MOJO

Thanks,
Mitch

mojo~
02/27/2010, 07:38 PM
Hey Mojo, got a 2 part question for you. . .but first a little background on my new build. I'm putting up a 70 Gallon Aquarium with a basement Sump & Fuge. The sump will be approx 30 gallons and the fuge will be of the cryptic/benthic sort and in the neighborhood of 150 gallons (plywood build). The plan is to have the sump built in above the fuge.

The Q's:

1) Is it optimal to just skim the 500GPH that will come directly from the display's overflow into the sump? In which case I wouldn't need a particularly large skimmer, say: bk 160, Itech 100, or WM as150.

2) Are the WM k2 or atb 840 too big for this setup? I am considering as a back up plan having part of the return from the fuge piped back into the sump. This would give me the opportunity to skim many more GPH if needed.

Thanks! This thread has been extremely helpful. I appreciate how unbiased you have stayed.

Q1 yes. I would pick the WM as 150 as a great choice. Good water turnover

Q2 no. Both of those are good choices as well. I like the 840 over the k2 for simple fact the volute on the atb is custom and is non directional. The k2 is a nice skimmer though. Both solid performers

mojo~
02/27/2010, 07:39 PM
Hey, Mojo

I have a 60 gal and 20 high sump that has a skimmer section and a fuge. What skimmer would you recommend I am tight on space so something with a small foot print would be great. I would like to keep it under $200

I've been looking at

msx extreme 160 used
SWC Xtreme 160 Cone

any other small skimmers idk any other than these?

any cheaper ones that preform very well how are the octopus NW?

Thanks

The swc 160 cone or a MRC ocean force 100 or 200 would work great. The NAC 6 is another great choice

mojo~
02/27/2010, 07:41 PM
Its got a great foot print.

msx 200 to much for my system I cant stop looking at it for $200

Any ideas MOJO

Thanks,
Mitch

The msx is too much. will not perform consistantly.

bohlke
02/28/2010, 04:33 PM
Hey Mojo - I have a 120G mixed reef (about 200G total system volume) and I am currently using a Tunze 9010. I have been happy with it but I am wondering if the Reef Octopus 160 would be a significant upgrade? I could redo the sump a little and fit a Reef Octopus 250 in as well, would the 250 be too much?

bohlke
02/28/2010, 07:43 PM
Hey Mojo - I have a 120G mixed reef (about 200G total system volume) and I am currently using a Tunze 9010. I have been happy with it but I am wondering if the Reef Octopus 160 would be a significant upgrade? I could redo the sump a little and fit a Reef Octopus 250 in as well, would the 250 be too much?

Almost forgot the intake section of the sump is 10x18 and I have about 16" of clearance over the water line in the sump.

mojo~
02/28/2010, 08:45 PM
Hey Mojo - I have a 120G mixed reef (about 200G total system volume) and I am currently using a Tunze 9010. I have been happy with it but I am wondering if the Reef Octopus 160 would be a significant upgrade? I could redo the sump a little and fit a Reef Octopus 250 in as well, would the 250 be too much?

The Reef octo 160 would not be much of an upgrade. THere a re a couple new units coming out the end of march that would work nice for you. internal pump and good amount of flow.

Mojo~

CorkPullerPHL
02/28/2010, 09:16 PM
Thanks Mojo.

How drastic is the performance drop when the k2 pump starts backwards?

mojo~
02/28/2010, 09:20 PM
its not the performance difference that is an issue. I ahve issue where you have to re adjust the skimmer or it may overflow. Same issue on the msx and octo X treme line. I made a custom Volute for the k2 i have.

CorkPullerPHL
02/28/2010, 09:53 PM
argh. That is a major issue. ok then. atb 840 or WM as150 it is! Thanks again

mojo~
02/28/2010, 10:14 PM
Both are great skimmers. I am a bog fan of them both. THe ATB is a little more quiet and refined. The WM as 150 uses the sedra 7000 and uses a little more brute force.

qy7400
03/02/2010, 12:53 AM
Mojo, any thoughts on running 2 medium skimmers vs. a large skimmer, say 2 SRO6000 vs. SRO7000

donstlee
03/03/2010, 01:14 AM
Hello, I really need some help with making a decision on skimmers. I have a 90gallon reef heavily stocked with a 30g sump. I plan to have the skimmer in sump but I have been hearing both good and bad. Some reefers I ask say the Euro reef r135 is better while others say the Euro reef sucks compared to the super reef octopus xp2000 sss. If anyone reads this please help me make a decison because I am pressed for time. My current 55g is leaking and I have to get the new 90g ready to go to move everything over. Any personal thoughts on which skimmer is better for my setup is really appreciated. Thanks....Don

JonSadowsky
03/03/2010, 06:49 AM
Mojo,

First off thanks for all the time and effort you put into helping all of us here on RC!

I am setting up a larger tank (175 gal + 50 gal sump) which will house mostly SPS and a medium to large fish load. I have an new in the box Vertex Alpha 200 (older red style) available but I am concerned it may be to large.

In any event what do you think about size and which skimmer I should look at. I'm not really price constrained, my main desire is to get a skimmer that is sized right and will need little adjustment after break-in (Vertex, ATB, or???).

Thanks

Jon

Jmatt567
03/04/2010, 12:14 PM
Mojo,

I am looking for a new skimmer to go along with my new sump that I am adding to my system. The system is a standard 75 gallon tank with a 30 gallon sump that will be about half full. The tank is light - moderately stocked now but will be stocked heavier down the road. I am looking to stay under $300. I have been looking at the Vertex skimmers and the new SWC cones. What other models should I be looking at? What are your recommendations?

-Matt

mojo~
03/04/2010, 02:51 PM
Mojo,

I am looking for a new skimmer to go along with my new sump that I am adding to my system. The system is a standard 75 gallon tank with a 30 gallon sump that will be about half full. The tank is light - moderately stocked now but will be stocked heavier down the road. I am looking to stay under $300. I have been looking at the Vertex skimmers and the new SWC cones. What other models should I be looking at? What are your recommendations?

-Matt

The vertex IN 100, THe Bubble magus NAC 6 or 7, THe SWC 160 cone. are the ones I would be looking at in your budget

mojo~
03/04/2010, 02:55 PM
Hello, I really need some help with making a decision on skimmers. I have a 90gallon reef heavily stocked with a 30g sump. I plan to have the skimmer in sump but I have been hearing both good and bad. Some reefers I ask say the Euro reef r135 is better while others say the Euro reef sucks compared to the super reef octopus xp2000 sss. If anyone reads this please help me make a decison because I am pressed for time. My current 55g is leaking and I have to get the new 90g ready to go to move everything over. Any personal thoughts on which skimmer is better for my setup is really appreciated. Thanks....Don

both of those will work great on the 90g tank. Euro reef are good ol reliable skimmers. No worries with them. THE SRO is a nice skimmer too. newer design and will be a great fit for your 90g too. a lot has to do with cost and what you plan to do.

mojo~
03/04/2010, 02:55 PM
Mojo, any thoughts on running 2 medium skimmers vs. a large skimmer, say 2 SRO6000 vs. SRO7000

I have seen several people do this with good results.

mojo~
03/04/2010, 02:57 PM
Mojo,

First off thanks for all the time and effort you put into helping all of us here on RC!

I am setting up a larger tank (175 gal + 50 gal sump) which will house mostly SPS and a medium to large fish load. I have an new in the box Vertex Alpha 200 (older red style) available but I am concerned it may be to large.

In any event what do you think about size and which skimmer I should look at. I'm not really price constrained, my main desire is to get a skimmer that is sized right and will need little adjustment after break-in (Vertex, ATB, or???).

Thanks

Jon
The Alpha would be a good fit. I think the ATB 1050A is a better perfomoring skimmer as the neck, water through put and air are better balanced. But of all the alphas I think the 200 is the best balanced of the alpha series. Just my ...............02

jb61264
03/04/2010, 03:17 PM
Had no luck in an individual post so I'm hoping someone in this thread might be able to help

I have a Euro Reef RS100 and was wondering if anyone else has experience using this skimmer?

I have the skimmer and pump sitting in my sump so it is in about 7" of water. Granted it is creating some good foam and pulling out dark green gunk, but I want to make sure it is operating at peak efficiency.

It seems like with the water level at 7", the water level is only about 1" above the top of the water inlet into the skimmer. It seems to me that if I lowered the skimmer so it was in maybe 8" or 9" of water that there would be more bubbles inside but maybe I'm looking at things incorrectly.

Anybody?

I took at short video with my Palm Pre (they just updated the OS so it can take video) its not very good but if you look closely you can see the water level and how much air is being input into the skimmer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM9o7OvMceg

Jmatt567
03/04/2010, 03:44 PM
The vertex IN 100, THe Bubble magus NAC 6 or 7, THe SWC 160 cone. are the ones I would be looking at in your budget

Do you have a preference between these?

serum153
03/04/2010, 04:51 PM
I have the 160 cone on my 75 w/40 breeder sump and it is beastly. I have pics in the 160 cone thread.

chubby hugs
03/05/2010, 03:18 PM
Hi- looking for a new skimmer and am somewhat limited in sump space. I have a 75G tank, just starting out but plan on having corals down the road. I utilize a Proclear aquatics wet dry filter and protein skimmer as my sump. I replaced the bioballs with active carbon, but just don't think the skimmer is up to snuff. I would like to use the existing space in the sump instead of a HOB skimmer. Do you know of anything that would be a real upgrade that would fit- the space is 4"w by 8"long, so I know that is fairly limiting, but would like to know what my options are opposed to plumbing something in or HOB.

WillJames
03/08/2010, 11:13 AM
Hi Guys,

I have two questions. First I have an Oceanic 30g (not a cube) and I would like to fill it with corals and LR. I am looking for the best HOB Skimmer I can find. I got the VisiJet one and it is a POS. I also have an Eheim PRO Canister filter on this tank as well with a Current T5 6 tube fixture.

I am looking at the following two models:
Super Reef Octopus SRO-LX1000S HOB skimmer
SWC XTREME HANG ON TANK

I know these are overkill for this tank, but I would like to be able to use it temporarily on other tanks I have which include 2 other 30g, a 150 and a 125. I do plan on getting skimmers for the 150 and 125 but I need to figure out what to get. Price is not that much of a factor I want GOOD performing skimmers.

Second question:
For the 125 and 150 I want to get the best skimmers I can, but the Wet Dry filters are not large enough to house most of the in sump skimmers I see advertised like the AquaC 180 or?? What is a good external skimmer or should I just add sumps to both the tanks and use in sump skimmers? ALso what is the best skimmer I can get for these tanks? I know this is a tricky question, but I would value you guys input. Price is not that much of a factor, I want good performance above all.

I have kept SW and FW aquariums since i was 8 and I am now over 40, but I never had the money to go reef tanks before the last few years.

Thank you very much for your input. Have a great day.

Will

reeftivo
03/08/2010, 04:12 PM
IME without mods Hang ons=1)Warner Marine H2X
2) Deltec MCE600
Octos usually have to be modded to work properly-I've had 2 (300DBH,BH 100F)

External =ATB external small (about $1300 bucks though $$$)

Buganddoug
03/08/2010, 08:22 PM
I would say Warner Marine H2X! One Hell of a skimmer you can not go wrong!!

Mounda
03/08/2010, 08:33 PM
http://www.aquacave.com/clean-up-300-protein-skimmerbr-by-won-brothers-493.html

Anyone tried this Venturi model ? Or even seen it before ?

mojo~
03/08/2010, 08:35 PM
very cheap skimmer. Save your money

Welsh619
03/08/2010, 10:15 PM
I signed up to be able to search in order to find a fix for my problem but for some reason it wont let me so im just going to ask. I recently set up a super skimmer 65 (the new packaging) hanging on a 10gal refugium for my 55 gallon fowlr tank thats slowly converting to a reef tank. My question is that even with the valve all the way open it wont skim very much and i think that the water level in the refugium might be too low. If i shut off the tank return pump which obviously raises the water level in the refugium then it will produce some skimmate (sp?). Does this sound possible? Do i have to take the refugium apart and make higher walls or can i just get a bigger pump? Thank you very much in advance for your help and ill try to answer any questions as quick as possible.

smokey30
03/09/2010, 09:32 AM
Hi all I am trying to figure out which of these 3 skimmers to get for my new 50 gallon with 20 gallon sump.

Bubble Magus NAC6
http://www.bubble-magus.com/en/productShow.asp?id=958

Vertex IN-100
http://www.vertexaquaristik.com/prod...ies/in-100.php

SWC Extreme 120/160

Or if anyone has any other options they can think of that would be great.

thnx
anthony

biecacka
03/09/2010, 10:52 AM
question, i seen this thread started on here and cant find it...the person had a problem w their skimmer water level changing in the neck of the riser and it caused a very wet skimmate. then it would mysteriously drop back down, i too have had mine slowly rise over a few days and not sure what the cause is. could i get some help or the link to that thread?! thanks
corey

Drewbaby
03/09/2010, 12:00 PM
I was recently given an old skimmer body. It has the collection cup and a built in airline, but no pump and it also doesnt have the sponge filter on the return. Ive never used a skimmer before and really have no idea if its a good one. (dont have a pic yet) It looks alot like the ASM skimmers, but maybe an older model because the inlet is on the very bottom of the skimmer. The diameter of the skimmer is 6 1/4" around. It has a teardrop shape to the bottom foot, with the foot included the footprint is around 8" or so. I have a mag5 and rio 2100 I could hook up to it.

I also came across a coralife super skimmer 220gal. model, lightly used for about 6 months for $100 with everything.

1st : If the old pump is an ASM what model is it and would it be sufficient for a 180gal with a moderate bioload?

2nd : Which is the better of the two skimmers?

3rd : Is it worth buying the new skimmer or should I try to get the old one up and running?

reeftivo
03/09/2010, 12:46 PM
question, i seen this thread started on here and cant find it...the person had a problem w their skimmer water level changing in the neck of the riser and it caused a very wet skimmate. then it would mysteriously drop back down, i too have had mine slowly rise over a few days and not sure what the cause is. could i get some help or the link to that thread?! thanks
corey

SUmp level fluctuating? Do you have an ATO (auto top off) ? This will cause the foam head to raise and lower slightly.

Tivo

reeftivo
03/09/2010, 12:50 PM
I was recently given an old skimmer body. It has the collection cup and a built in airline, but no pump and it also doesnt have the sponge filter on the return. Ive never used a skimmer before and really have no idea if its a good one. (dont have a pic yet) It looks alot like the ASM skimmers, but maybe an older model because the inlet is on the very bottom of the skimmer. The diameter of the skimmer is 6 1/4" around. It has a teardrop shape to the bottom foot, with the foot included the footprint is around 8" or so. I have a mag5 and rio 2100 I could hook up to it.

I also came across a coralife super skimmer 220gal. model, lightly used for about 6 months for $100 with everything.

1st : If the old pump is an ASM what model is it and would it be sufficient for a 180gal with a moderate bioload?

2nd : Which is the better of the two skimmers?

3rd : Is it worth buying the new skimmer or should I try to get the old one up and running?

get an ATB econo 840 and be done with it! Excellent skimmers!

2nd : Which is the better of the two skimmers?
ASM is the better of the two.

Drewbaby
03/09/2010, 02:09 PM
The ATB econo 840 may be an excellent skimmer, but its about 3 times my truck payment a month so any other suggestions pertaining to the 2 skimmer options I have??

mojo~
03/09/2010, 03:16 PM
I was recently given an old skimmer body. It has the collection cup and a built in airline, but no pump and it also doesnt have the sponge filter on the return. Ive never used a skimmer before and really have no idea if its a good one. (dont have a pic yet) It looks alot like the ASM skimmers, but maybe an older model because the inlet is on the very bottom of the skimmer. The diameter of the skimmer is 6 1/4" around. It has a teardrop shape to the bottom foot, with the foot included the footprint is around 8" or so. I have a mag5 and rio 2100 I could hook up to it.

I also came across a coralife super skimmer 220gal. model, lightly used for about 6 months for $100 with everything.

1st : If the old pump is an ASM what model is it and would it be sufficient for a 180gal with a moderate bioload?

2nd : Which is the better of the two skimmers?

3rd : Is it worth buying the new skimmer or should I try to get the old one up and running?

Neither one of those skimmers will work well on a 180. You will need to buy new or a better used one. The ATB is a nice skimmer at 665 but you could get away with some thing like a Super Reef octo 3000. That will be a little cheaper. Or a vertex in 180 or prefferably a 280.

Running a 180g tank is not cheap nor is good equipment.

Drewbaby
03/09/2010, 04:17 PM
If I run a refuge would either the ASM or the Coralife Super Skimmer 220 be sufficient for the time being then when I get more money saved up buy a better skimmer?

biecacka
03/09/2010, 08:32 PM
so the water level in my sump will affect the water level in my skimmer. my skimmer is an in sump and is fed via a seperate pump, so how does water level in sump effect it?

biecacka
03/10/2010, 08:24 PM
anyone?

TheFishMan65
03/10/2010, 08:47 PM
biecacka,

Not an expert, but yes the water level in the sump affect the level in the skimmer. As the water goes up there is more head pressure one the pump and more water will get into the skimmer and water will be higher.

TNTFISHY
03/10/2010, 10:36 PM
Do you have a preference between these?

JMatt,

I have the Vertex, and love it! Don't know about the other brands, but it was easy to set up, and adjust. It's pulling gunk out of the water, even though all I have are 2 Banggai's, couple of snails and hermits. Skimmate is deep green, and brown sludge has to be washed out of the skimmer cup tube. It's doing a great job in my estimation. Quiet too!

Engloid
03/11/2010, 09:29 PM
I have a Skilter. It's one of the types that's like a filter hanging on the back of the tank, but has a skimmer built in. I know they're not the best thing out there, but for a beginner (and free), it's going to have to work for now.

Anyway, this is on a 29 gallon tank. The question: How do I know how to set the air bleeder valve? So far, I get no foam at all, but the tank has only been set up for about 2 weeks.

Do I set it where there's just barely constant bubbles in the swirling area of water? It does seem to make a lot of noise when I turn the air up.

How much air is too much and how much is too little?

thanks!

mikeatjac
03/12/2010, 06:42 AM
so the water level in my sump will affect the water level in my skimmer. my skimmer is an in sump and is fed via a seperate pump, so how does water level in sump effect it?

A recirculating skimmer is not affected by changes in the water level.

mojo~
03/12/2010, 12:02 PM
I have a Skilter. It's one of the types that's like a filter hanging on the back of the tank, but has a skimmer built in. I know they're not the best thing out there, but for a beginner (and free), it's going to have to work for now.

Anyway, this is on a 29 gallon tank. The question: How do I know how to set the air bleeder valve? So far, I get no foam at all, but the tank has only been set up for about 2 weeks.

Do I set it where there's just barely constant bubbles in the swirling area of water? It does seem to make a lot of noise when I turn the air up.

How much air is too much and how much is too little?

thanks!

you will want to turn it up until you get your bubbles starting to build about 1/2 in below the top of the neck.

Korrine
03/13/2010, 04:15 PM
This may sound like a dumb question, but I've never had a skimmer like this before.

Octopus DNW 200 kind of like this except it has an arm that comes off the exit tube :http://www.aquacave.com/reef-octopus-dnw-200-br-recirculatingbr-protein-skimmer-985.html

Am I right in thinking that the only thing the large pump that sits on the skimmer footprint is for is to recirc the water. It doesn't pull any water in, right? Now the hole above that is where water is put in? And this is why it could be run internal or external?

mojo~
03/13/2010, 05:05 PM
This may sound like a dumb question, but I've never had a skimmer like this before.

Octopus DNW 200 kind of like this except it has an arm that comes off the exit tube :http://www.aquacave.com/reef-octopus-dnw-200-br-recirculatingbr-protein-skimmer-985.html

Am I right in thinking that the only thing the large pump that sits on the skimmer footprint is for is to recirc the water. It doesn't pull any water in, right? Now the hole above that is where water is put in? And this is why it could be run internal or external?

you are correct in your thinking. Its a recirc skimmer and can be run in or out of sump

Korrine
03/13/2010, 05:15 PM
Thanks. I bought it second hand also. The guy walked me through it, but that was a little awhile ago. Thanks for the clarification :)

I think I'll still have it sitting in an empty rubbermaid tub just in case the skimmer goes crazy and overflows. Then it won't be all over my basement floor.

Another quick question. I need a feed pump about 1.5x the volume. I was thinking a maxijet 600 160gph. I have a 75g DT and 75g sump. Or if they are referring to just the DT volume then maybe the Maxijet 400?

mojo~
03/13/2010, 06:55 PM
a 160 would do well, you could always throttle it back if need be.

Overboard
03/15/2010, 09:23 PM
Hi Mojo,

I am setting up a new 150 gallon display that will be in our family room. Keeping things quiet keeps the family (read "wife") happy. My old Barr is great, but it is probably too large (it was on a 300 gallon display), and needs a huge pump for the dual Becketts. This will be a SPS reef and I will probably have it reasonably stocked with fish. What do you suggest? Would the Vertex Royal Exclusiv be the quietest with the Red Dragon pump? All ideas are appreciated.

Thanks!
Mark


.

Korrine
03/15/2010, 09:26 PM
a 160 would do well, you could always throttle it back if need be.


Thank You :)

mojo~
03/15/2010, 10:14 PM
Hi Mojo,

I am setting up a new 150 gallon display that will be in our family room. Keeping things quiet keeps the family (read "wife") happy. My old Barr is great, but it is probably too large (it was on a 300 gallon display), and needs a huge pump for the dual Becketts. This will be a SPS reef and I will probably have it reasonably stocked with fish. What do you suggest? Would the Vertex Royal Exclusiv be the quietest with the Red Dragon pump? All ideas are appreciated.

Thanks!
Mark


.
bk mini 180 gen 2 or the mini 200 would be the most quiet. both would work great.

Overboard
03/16/2010, 11:02 AM
bk mini 180 gen 2 or the mini 200 would be the most quiet. both would work great.

Thanks, but I guess I should have said something about cost. What would be the best alternative for $600 - $700?

Thanks!
Mark

reeftivo
03/16/2010, 05:24 PM
Go for the 170 alpha cone. I little bit over at $799

It's almost $100 cheaper than the smallest BK

mojo~
03/16/2010, 06:37 PM
Go for the 170 alpha cone. I little bit over at $799

It's almost $100 cheaper than the smallest BK

I do not suggest that.

mojo~
03/16/2010, 06:38 PM
you could get a ATB 840 1.5.or a SRO xp 2000 cone as well.

waldomas
03/16/2010, 06:47 PM
Is the ATB 840 worth the additional price over the SRO xp2000?
$665.00 vs. $399.00

Is there a difference in noise?

mojo~
03/16/2010, 07:42 PM
Is the ATB 840 worth the additional price over the SRO xp2000?
$665.00 vs. $399.00

Is there a difference in noise?

I get asked this many times. The ATB has the best customer service you can get. The pump has many pinwheels to choos from to kind of tweak your performance as you need to. I think the ATB is nicer skimmer as it can be taken apart to clean and again you get great service if you ever had an issue. It is a tad quieter than the xp 2000 as well. tHe custom Volute makes a big difference on the pump. The xp 2000 uses all acrylic where the ATB uses acrylic and red PVC. If you are asking me. I say yes its worth the extra $ for the customer service alone. Peace of mind can be priceless. Nicer feel, great performance and hassle free.

Just my 2 cents.

Mojo~

waldomas
03/16/2010, 08:00 PM
I've been leaning towards that skimmer for a while now.
I guess its time to bite the bullet!

Whats this you say about choosing a pinwheel?
Any recommendations to start with?

Thanks for the reply.

LUCKYLATO
03/16/2010, 08:04 PM
I didnt have time to read all 66 pages of this thread sorry as intresting as this is I have a small tank around 40 gal all softie 6x39 t5 what type of skimmer would you sugest. I was looking to see if I coud get a hang on the back like a remra?

Overboard
03/16/2010, 08:35 PM
you could get a ATB 840 1.5.or a SRO xp 2000 cone as well.

Thanks!
Mark

enduserferg
03/16/2010, 09:07 PM
Hi Mojo,

I've enjoyed reading some of your reviews. In planning my upcoming tank upgrade (from 90 to 125/150) i am planning on changing skimmer from a KZ small which i find to be very finicky. I have narrowed it down to a BK mini 180 or an alpha Cone 170. I see earlier in the thread that you did not recommend the 170 over a mini 180 and was wondering your reasoning for it.

Thanks ahead of time for your time =)

mojo~
03/16/2010, 09:10 PM
I didnt have time to read all 66 pages of this thread sorry as intresting as this is I have a small tank around 40 gal all softie 6x39 t5 what type of skimmer would you sugest. I was looking to see if I coud get a hang on the back like a remra?

Well if you want a HOB, I would get the Warner MArine H1. you will be very pleased with it.

mojo~
03/16/2010, 09:14 PM
Hi Mojo,

I've enjoyed reading some of your reviews. In planning my upcoming tank upgrade (from 90 to 125/150) i am planning on changing skimmer from a KZ small which i find to be very finicky. I have narrowed it down to a BK mini 180 or an alpha Cone 170. I see earlier in the thread that you did not recommend the 170 over a mini 180 and was wondering your reasoning for it.

Thanks ahead of time for your time =)

Well if you could put them side by side you would see the difference. THe BK is still built even thicker than the alpha's. The ability to just grab the collection cup off and clean it rather than the screw off cup on the 170. The water exits the bottom of the T on the 180 making it really nice. In every way I can think of the Mini 180 gen 2 beats out the alpha 170. Set and forget. Worth the extra $$.

Mojo~

enduserferg
03/16/2010, 09:23 PM
Great thanks. I will be picking one up soon! =)

0p3n Brain
03/16/2010, 11:21 PM
Anyone have an opinion on the Reef Octopus Triple 12? I'm considering it on my 400G system SPS heavy load.

Is there a better performer you recommend? Performance is most important, price is secondary.

Thanks

ptan
03/17/2010, 03:16 AM
Mojo just a quick question... i have a octopus xp-5000int for my 270 gallon display tank with 100 gallons sump tank... my question is: will this skimmer enough for my setup? The tank will house dominantly sps with 5 tangs on the way...

i still have a spare space in my sump... around 18"x18" footprint... what skimmer should i add if i need one more? is it advisable to have two skimmers run side by side? if yes what model in octopus lineup will be good for my setup? Sorry for the numerous question... :D btw great thread you have and you got a lot of knowledge regarding skimmers... Great Job!

mojo~
03/17/2010, 07:16 AM
Mojo just a quick question... i have a octopus xp-5000int for my 270 gallon display tank with 100 gallons sump tank... my question is: will this skimmer enough for my setup? The tank will house dominantly sps with 5 tangs on the way...

i still have a spare space in my sump... around 18"x18" footprint... what skimmer should i add if i need one more? is it advisable to have two skimmers run side by side? if yes what model in octopus lineup will be good for my setup? Sorry for the numerous question... :D btw great thread you have and you got a lot of knowledge regarding skimmers... Great Job!
I think it will work fine. The neck is huge. I think it will fit your setup just right. Take some pics and post if you get it.

Mojo~

ptan
03/17/2010, 07:52 AM
I think it will work fine. The neck is huge. I think it will fit your setup just right. Take some pics and post if you get it.

Mojo~

alright will stick with it... i thought it will be too small for my setup... thanks again Mojo!

mojo~
03/17/2010, 08:15 AM
no problem.

lukinrats
03/17/2010, 02:25 PM
Mojo~ Thanks for all your hard work here. I know that you have spent some countless hours studying and swapping out skimmers, all in an effort to gain some knowledge about what is out there. Not only that, but you pass your knowledge on to us. Thanks!

I am setting up a 120g that I will be transferring my 75g SPS tank into. I am trying to decide between the SRO Xp2000 External and SRO Xp3000 External. Here are the particulars, can you help me out?

#1. 120 gallon stocked with SPS, and will be stocked with plenty of fish
#2. 40 gallon sump
#3. Plan to go barebottom
#4. Will be adding a 40-50 gallon frag tank to the set up

I think the 2000 will be just fine, but I don't want it to become overloaded when I start to set up a frag tank.
I also do not want to get the 3000 and have it be grossly over sized for my situation

Thanks again!
Nathan

mojo~
03/17/2010, 03:26 PM
Mojo~ Thanks for all your hard work here. I know that you have spent some countless hours studying and swapping out skimmers, all in an effort to gain some knowledge about what is out there. Not only that, but you pass your knowledge on to us. Thanks!

I am setting up a 120g that I will be transferring my 75g SPS tank into. I am trying to decide between the SRO Xp2000 External and SRO Xp3000 External. Here are the particulars, can you help me out?

#1. 120 gallon stocked with SPS, and will be stocked with plenty of fish
#2. 40 gallon sump
#3. Plan to go barebottom
#4. Will be adding a 40-50 gallon frag tank to the set up

I think the 2000 will be just fine, but I don't want it to become overloaded when I start to set up a frag tank.
I also do not want to get the 3000 and have it be grossly over sized for my situation

Thanks again!
Nathan

I think the 2000 will be just fine as well. I think you wl be happier with it long term.

Overboard
03/17/2010, 05:10 PM
you could get a ATB 840 1.5.or a SRO xp 2000 cone as well.

Mojo,

I have a quick follow up question please. What flow rate should I have through the sump for the best results for these skimmers (for a 150 gallon display)?

Thanks,
Mark

grandp10
03/17/2010, 05:15 PM
Will any needlewheel impellar that fits into a Sicce fit into a QuietOne 2200 pump, if so which impellar is best? Thank you very much for any help.

mojo~
03/17/2010, 05:35 PM
Will any needlewheel impellar that fits into a Sicce fit into a QuietOne 2200 pump, if so which impellar is best? Thank you very much for any help.

No not interchangable

mojo~
03/17/2010, 05:36 PM
Mojo,

I have a quick follow up question please. What flow rate should I have through the sump for the best results for these skimmers (for a 150 gallon display)?

Thanks,
Mark

you will gets lots of opinions here. I would run something like a eheim 1262 for your setup. about 7to800gph

grandp10
03/17/2010, 06:14 PM
Will any needlewheel impellars work on the QueitOne pumps?

Adam S
03/17/2010, 06:45 PM
hey mojo i have a 120 gallon tank wih a truvu 125 wet/dry filter and was wondering what is a good hang on skimmer and what are some good in sump skimmers that ould handle the bio load of a fowlr. thanks :dance:

reefEng10
03/18/2010, 07:54 AM
Comparing two "bang for buck" skimmers here for a 50g + 15g sump build. Will be sps dominant,bare-bottom system, w/ med- high bioload.

Ability to skim very well wet or dry would be nice.

I am looking at the swc 160 cone and bm nac6... they have similar footprint, and smallest possible footprint is important with my limited sump room.

I am leaning towards the swc 160 cone... am I thinking along the right lines here ?

Thanks to whoever (mojo or others) who would like to comment

mojo~
03/18/2010, 10:32 AM
hey mojo i have a 120 gallon tank wih a truvu 125 wet/dry filter and was wondering what is a good hang on skimmer and what are some good in sump skimmers that ould handle the bio load of a fowlr. thanks :dance:

Warner marine H2 for the HOB.
insump on a budget the Vertex in 180 or maybe the SWC 160

mojo~
03/18/2010, 10:34 AM
Comparing two "bang for buck" skimmers here for a 50g + 15g sump build. Will be sps dominant,bare-bottom system, w/ med- high bioload.

Ability to skim very well wet or dry would be nice.

I am looking at the swc 160 cone and bm nac6... they have similar footprint, and smallest possible footprint is important with my limited sump room.

I am leaning towards the swc 160 cone... am I thinking along the right lines here ?

Thanks to whoever (mojo or others) who would like to comment
for your 50g and 15g sumo you could get the SWC 120 or the NAc6. Both are good units but the nac 6 and the swc 160 use the same pump and have a larger pump. I personally would probably go with the 120.

Mojo~

Adam S
03/18/2010, 04:52 PM
what reef octopus hang on skimmer would you recomend for a 120 gallon fowlr?Hasanyone had any experience with them?

mojo~
03/18/2010, 08:15 PM
Why reef octo. the new ones are pretty good. but I would still suggest the Warner MArine h2

Buganddoug
03/18/2010, 08:34 PM
The WM H2 is a killer hang on skimmer. I would say mojo is right with this one.

Adam S
03/18/2010, 09:26 PM
ok thanks and what fairly inexpensive external protein skimmer would you recomend?

Bern Mac
03/19/2010, 06:51 AM
Hi Mojo... Lookinf for help in finding my best option in a skimmer for about $350. I'm building a 135 g tank with a 40 g sump. I want it to have a small foot print. I was looking at the Tunze's (I think 9006, 9011) but nobody seems to mention them here. I'm starting with a light bio-load and building up to a moderate one.

What would you recommend??

mojo~
03/19/2010, 06:58 AM
Let me know what your foot print options are. But right off the top of my head the Swc 160 cone would work well.

The tunze are nice but they are a little dated. Nice skimmers for those really tight spaces. but there are more and more options now a days

Bern Mac
03/19/2010, 07:35 AM
Mojo...

Thanks for your suggestion. If that is my best option for the $ then that's what I'll get.

I haven't partitioned the sump yet, I just want to optimize its space without having big equipment in it or anywhere else in the cabinet. I'm thinking about 10x12x24...

I have another question.... Skimmer in the "drain intake" side of the sump or on the "output" side oof the sump

mojo~
03/19/2010, 08:26 AM
Mojo...

Thanks for your suggestion. If that is my best option for the $ then that's what I'll get.

I haven't partitioned the sump yet, I just want to optimize its space without having big equipment in it or anywhere else in the cabinet. I'm thinking about 10x12x24...

I have another question.... Skimmer in the "drain intake" side of the sump or on the "output" side oof the sump

in the price range I think the swc 160 will probably be the best bang for your buck. Small footprint in mind,
Skimmer should go where your drain comes into your sump. IF running a fuge it should go before the fuge as well. unless you are running a fige on one side with your return pump in the middle of course.

Let me know what you get and post some pictures here. I like pictures. lol. Even Crayon drawings are good. I understand them best....

Mojo~

Bern Mac
03/19/2010, 12:27 PM
Thanks Mojo

Will order the SWC this weekend... Now about the lighting...

winggee
03/19/2010, 03:57 PM
Hi,

I just got a 60g cube with a 23"x10.5"x16" sump. I need to get a skimmer for it and was looking at the NAC6 and NAC7. Is the NAC7 sized too big for a 60g? I don't know what the bioload will be like yet, but i'm guessing medium to high.

Can't wait to get my first tank up and running.

Thanks!

Adam S
03/19/2010, 05:53 PM
hi mojo what external protein skimmer do you recomend and what fairly cheap in sump skimmer do you recomend for a 120 gallon with medium to heavy bioload?

mojo~
03/19/2010, 07:38 PM
Hi,

I just got a 60g cube with a 23"x10.5"x16" sump. I need to get a skimmer for it and was looking at the NAC6 and NAC7. Is the NAC7 sized too big for a 60g? I don't know what the bioload will be like yet, but i'm guessing medium to high.

Can't wait to get my first tank up and running.

Thanks!

The nac 7 and nac6 use the exact same pump.
The Nac 7 will work great.

winggee
03/19/2010, 10:02 PM
The nac 7 and nac6 use the exact same pump.
The Nac 7 will work great.

Thanks Mojo, I just ordered a NAC7.

lhm nole
03/20/2010, 12:17 AM
Hey Mojo

Thanks again for the 5000xp octopus recommendation for my 300 now I have another request.

I currently have a jbj 28 gallon hqi and it came with a air stone driven skimmer and I would like to get a better skimmer for it. What do you recommend?

ncny21802
03/20/2010, 11:30 PM
Mojo-

Great info. I have a 46 gallon Bowfront with a 20 gallon sump. IN the past I have used H&S skimmers on tank. I am on a budget this go around. I usually stock heavy and house a mixed reef. What would you recomend? SWC 120/160 vs Bubble Magus Nac6/7 vs Vertex in-100? All about in the price range I am looking but I don't want to get too small a skimmer. This will be internal in a 13X9 area. Thanks for your help

0p3n Brain
03/20/2010, 11:45 PM
Mojo,

From what I've read here, I've decided on the Bubble King brand. Can you suggest the right size for my 350G sps heavy load?

I was thinking either the Deluxe 250 or Supermarin 250 but I'm not sure what the difference is?

Thanks,
Jim

darb85
03/21/2010, 12:53 AM
ok, need opinions. Have 400 dollars peferably 500 max Need the best skimmer I can buy with this money for the following system.

155 Gallon Tank
50 Gallon(guestimate, homemade wood) sump, approx 1/2 Full
20 Gallon Fuge
20 Gallon Frag Tank

So a total Gallonage of roughly 200 Gallons and when moving, a 120 Gallon Sump will replace the 50 gallon SO I need something that will easily handle 400-450 Gallons.

would like to try to have it be as efficent as possible with both skimming and power useage.

I know, my budget is low, but if there is something close to the range, please post it, may be worth the wait for the extra dough if its a gotta have set up.

waldomas
03/22/2010, 06:37 PM
Ok... so now that I've decided to go with the ATB 840 (thanks Mojo!) I have a few questions:

I don't see a gate valve on the skimmer, does it have a wedge pipe? Do you recommend putting a gate valve on?
Also do you recommend upgrading the impellar to the purple? Can the WM Red Demon be used w/ the ATB 840? I like to keep a decent amount of water in my sump and I prefer not to raise the skimmer up on a platform. Does this force me to use the stock impellar? I have a fairly light bio-load (180 display / 280+- total w/ a 8" FoxfaceLo and a 7" red sea Sailfin) but may increase it by a few smaller fish.

Thanks again!

mojo~
03/22/2010, 07:59 PM
Mojo,

From what I've read here, I've decided on the Bubble King brand. Can you suggest the right size for my 350G sps heavy load?

I was thinking either the Deluxe 250 or Supermarin 250 but I'm not sure what the difference is?

Thanks,
Jim

SM 250 is the way to go. BEtter design IMO

mojo~
03/22/2010, 08:00 PM
ok, need opinions. Have 400 dollars peferably 500 max Need the best skimmer I can buy with this money for the following system.

155 Gallon Tank
50 Gallon(guestimate, homemade wood) sump, approx 1/2 Full
20 Gallon Fuge
20 Gallon Frag Tank

So a total Gallonage of roughly 200 Gallons and when moving, a 120 Gallon Sump will replace the 50 gallon SO I need something that will easily handle 400-450 Gallons.

would like to try to have it be as efficent as possible with both skimming and power useage.

I know, my budget is low, but if there is something close to the range, please post it, may be worth the wait for the extra dough if its a gotta have set up.
Super reef octo 3000

waldomas
03/23/2010, 03:30 PM
Ok... so now that I've decided to go with the ATB 840 (thanks Mojo!) I have a few questions:

I don't see a gate valve on the skimmer, does it have a wedge pipe? Do you recommend putting a gate valve on?
Also do you recommend upgrading the impellar to the purple? Can the WM Red Demon be used w/ the ATB 840? I like to keep a decent amount of water in my sump and I prefer not to raise the skimmer up on a platform. Does this force me to use the stock impellar? I have a fairly light bio-load (180 display / 280+- total w/ a 8" FoxfaceLo and a 7" red sea Sailfin) but may increase it by a few smaller fish.

Thanks again!

Does anyone know if the ATB 840 has or needs a gate valve?
And do you think I need the pinwheel upgrade?

lukinrats
03/23/2010, 04:07 PM
Mojo~. I wish to pick your brain for a moment, sir!

If you had the choice between these two skimmers, which would you go with?

SRO External Cone 2000xp or ATB 840 with the Sicce 2500

For a 120 gallon with an expected added volume of about 80-100 gallons (sump & frag tank)... Bare Bottom

Thanks,
NathanS

mojo~
03/23/2010, 04:40 PM
Mojo~. I wish to pick your brain for a moment, sir!

If you had the choice between these two skimmers, which would you go with?

SRO External Cone 2000xp or ATB 840 with the Sicce 2500

For a 120 gallon with an expected added volume of about 80-100 gallons (sump & frag tank)... Bare Bottom

Thanks,
NathanS

THE atb 840 with mini airstar.
would be m choice for many reasons.

mojo~
03/23/2010, 04:41 PM
Does anyone know if the ATB 840 has or needs a gate valve?
And do you think I need the pinwheel upgrade?

the wedge pipe is all you need to adjust it. works great and why would you need a pinwheel upgrade. they work well right out of the box.

waldomas
03/23/2010, 04:46 PM
Thats what I was hoping to hear!

Thank you very much!!

lukinrats
03/23/2010, 05:15 PM
THE atb 840 with mini airstar.
would be m choice for many reasons.

Thanks. Any chance of getting a few of the most important reasons?

Nate

migas_01
03/23/2010, 06:02 PM
Hi Mojo,

I have one of the new Deltec models sc 2060 in a 105 gallon mix tank with low bioload. The thing is that I can only get a dirty neck or if I raise water level a lot I can get a clear liquid with some poo at the bottom of the cup.
The foam head looks always fizzy.
Can this be because it is very over sized for my system?

lukinrats
03/23/2010, 07:52 PM
THE atb 840 with mini airstar.
would be m choice for many reasons.


Aww man! I got too excited, and did not realize the 840 is in sump only. I need an external, so I am screwed on the ATB

thanks anyway!
Nate

nbgen12
03/23/2010, 08:35 PM
what sump skimmers would you guys recommend for my 55g tank setup.... the sump is a pro clear wet dry 7.5" wide by 20"long and 16" or so high. I am brand new to the hobby and will probably be asking for a lot more advice on here. Just about to begin my tank cycling once I hook up the sump and get the LR for it along with a skimmer. As a side note, I added in an extra divider just before the the pump so I could do away with the bio-balls and use the LR instead since that seems to be the way to go on here. Anyway, any advice for skimmer selection would be greatly appreciated!! I'm not too concerned on the price range, I just want to know what is good quality for my size sump. Thanks!
Neil

mojo~
03/23/2010, 10:14 PM
Hi Mojo,

I have one of the new Deltec models sc 2060 in a 105 gallon mix tank with low bioload. The thing is that I can only get a dirty neck or if I raise water level a lot I can get a clear liquid with some poo at the bottom of the cup.
The foam head looks always fizzy.
Can this be because it is very over sized for my system?
Yea those skimmers are amazing but its too large for your setup. You need something with a neck around 4 inches. 600 to 900 lph of air and you will be better off.

mojo~
03/23/2010, 10:19 PM
what sump skimmers would you guys recommend for my 55g tank setup.... the sump is a pro clear wet dry 7.5" wide by 20"long and 16" or so high. I am brand new to the hobby and will probably be asking for a lot more advice on here. Just about to begin my tank cycling once I hook up the sump and get the LR for it along with a skimmer. As a side note, I added in an extra divider just before the the pump so I could do away with the bio-balls and use the LR instead since that seems to be the way to go on here. Anyway, any advice for skimmer selection would be greatly appreciated!! I'm not too concerned on the price range, I just want to know what is good quality for my size sump. Thanks!
Neil

Check out the SWC 120. Small foot print od build and will suite your load well.

nbgen12
03/23/2010, 10:40 PM
i just measured my chamber which the skimmer can go in....it is only 4" long by 7.5" wide...my first measurements was just the total measurement of the sump size, I should have mentioned the size of the chamber the skimmer would go in....so I guess they would have to fit in there or be an external one...any suggestions for these parameters?

mojo~
03/23/2010, 10:56 PM
you can probably squeeze in a ETSS sumpbuddy 40 with a mag 7 pump

migas_01
03/24/2010, 04:25 AM
Yea those skimmers are amazing but its too large for your setup. You need something with a neck around 4 inches. 600 to 900 lph of air and you will be better off. Do you think a mini BK 160 would work well?

westmoorenerd
03/24/2010, 06:28 AM
Mojo, what's your suggestion for around 600g total volume system in the $700-$1200 range, medium stock with SPS and LPS. I was leaning towards the SWC Askoll Cone since I have a 160 cone and it works like a champ.

mojo~
03/24/2010, 06:46 AM
Do you think a mini BK 160 would work well?
Yes I do. There are like a little firecracker. lol great little skimmer.

lotusstar
03/24/2010, 12:29 PM
Hey Mojo, truely awesome info you have put up on here. And the advice you seem to give is right on so I'd like to ask a bit. You have a great build thread by the way. Look forward to seeing what comes next.

Anyway, back to this thread and my question. I have a 92g corner tank and about 20g sump. I have currently an ATI BM 160 skimmer that's been in use awhile. I cracked the skimmer cup ages ago and just siliconed it back together. Well now the pump has crapped out on me and wondering should I just replace the sicce 2500 or I have permission from the wife to get a new skimmer. Is there something you'd recommend with my ceiling topping out at 300-350$?
I was thinking maybe octopus super reef 2000 or octopus extreme 200? Is there something else that I should look at better within my price range? What do you think? Thanks Mojo, keep up the great advice and build thread.

lotusstar
03/24/2010, 12:30 PM
Hey Mojo, truely awesome info you have put up on here. And the advice you seem to give is right on so I'd like to ask a bit. You have a great build thread by the way. Look forward to seeing what comes next.

Anyway, back to this thread and my question. I have a 92g corner tank and about 20g sump. I have currently an ATI BM 160 skimmer that's been in use awhile. I cracked the skimmer cup ages ago and just siliconed it back together. Well now the pump has crapped out on me and wondering should I just replace the sicce 2500 or I have permission from the wife to get a new skimmer. Is there something you'd recommend with my ceiling topping out at 300-350$?
I was thinking maybe octopus super reef 2000 or octopus extreme 200? Is there something else that I should look at better within my price range? What do you think? Thanks Mojo, keep up the great advice and build thread.

migas_01
03/24/2010, 12:39 PM
I think you tested vertex alpha 170 and the mini BK 160 which did you like the most?

mojo~
03/24/2010, 12:49 PM
Hey Mojo, truely awesome info you have put up on here. And the advice you seem to give is right on so I'd like to ask a bit. You have a great build thread by the way. Look forward to seeing what comes next.

Anyway, back to this thread and my question. I have a 92g corner tank and about 20g sump. I have currently an ATI BM 160 skimmer that's been in use awhile. I cracked the skimmer cup ages ago and just siliconed it back together. Well now the pump has crapped out on me and wondering should I just replace the sicce 2500 or I have permission from the wife to get a new skimmer. Is there something you'd recommend with my ceiling topping out at 300-350$?
I was thinking maybe octopus super reef 2000 or octopus extreme 200? Is there something else that I should look at better within my price range? What do you think? Thanks Mojo, keep up the great advice and build thread.
THe SRO 2000 would be great. The warner marine AS150(on sale) the cs200 and last but not least the SWC 160 cone. All in your price range and great units.

mojo~
03/24/2010, 12:50 PM
I think you tested vertex alpha 170 and the mini BK 160 which did you like the most?

Yeap I had them both.

Hands down the mini 160. plug it in and go. No issues. amazing skimmer.

ncny21802
03/24/2010, 06:25 PM
How about a Vertec in-80 vs a SWC MSX 160? I'm considering both for a 46 galloon tank. Those 2, i can get a good deal on. I prefer the SWC cone 160, but the 2 I mentioned can come via a trade.

lotusstar
03/24/2010, 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusstar
Hey Mojo, truely awesome info you have put up on here. And the advice you seem to give is right on so I'd like to ask a bit. You have a great build thread by the way. Look forward to seeing what comes next.

Anyway, back to this thread and my question. I have a 92g corner tank and about 20g sump. I have currently an ATI BM 160 skimmer that's been in use awhile. I cracked the skimmer cup ages ago and just siliconed it back together. Well now the pump has crapped out on me and wondering should I just replace the sicce 2500 or I have permission from the wife to get a new skimmer. Is there something you'd recommend with my ceiling topping out at 300-350$?
I was thinking maybe octopus super reef 2000 or octopus extreme 200? Is there something else that I should look at better within my price range? What do you think? Thanks Mojo, keep up the great advice and build thread.
THe SRO 2000 would be great. The warner marine AS150(on sale) the cs200 and last but not least the SWC 160 cone. All in your price range and great units.

Mojo,
thanks for the quick reply. I'm debating between the SRO 2000 and just replacing the pump on the ATI. Do you have any experience with the ATI? Would the SRO be worththe upgrade or is the difference neglible?

Thanks again for the advice.

mojo~
03/24/2010, 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusstar
Hey Mojo, truely awesome info you have put up on here. And the advice you seem to give is right on so I'd like to ask a bit. You have a great build thread by the way. Look forward to seeing what comes next.

Anyway, back to this thread and my question. I have a 92g corner tank and about 20g sump. I have currently an ATI BM 160 skimmer that's been in use awhile. I cracked the skimmer cup ages ago and just siliconed it back together. Well now the pump has crapped out on me and wondering should I just replace the sicce 2500 or I have permission from the wife to get a new skimmer. Is there something you'd recommend with my ceiling topping out at 300-350$?
I was thinking maybe octopus super reef 2000 or octopus extreme 200? Is there something else that I should look at better within my price range? What do you think? Thanks Mojo, keep up the great advice and build thread.
THe SRO 2000 would be great. The warner marine AS150(on sale) the cs200 and last but not least the SWC 160 cone. All in your price range and great units.

Mojo,
thanks for the quick reply. I'm debating between the SRO 2000 and just replacing the pump on the ATI. Do you have any experience with the ATI? Would the SRO be worththe upgrade or is the difference neglible?

Thanks again for the advice.

well to be honestI would probably replace the pump but not with the psk 2500. get the tunze 9410 or 9420. Muc better pump and no rotational issues.

westmoorenerd
03/24/2010, 11:55 PM
Mojo, any reply on my question? I'd appreciate your insight.

mojo~
03/25/2010, 10:23 AM
Mojo, what's your suggestion for around 600g total volume system in the $700-$1200 range, medium stock with SPS and LPS. I was leaning towards the SWC Askoll Cone since I have a 160 cone and it works like a champ.

I would take a look at the super reef octo 5000's I think would be a better fit than the SWC cone with the askol pump. The swc cone would be a little too small for that volume.

Mojo~

westmoorenerd
03/25/2010, 02:08 PM
Thanks Mojo

summer6
03/26/2010, 07:15 PM
Mojo -

I'm running a BM250 on my 225gal tank 60 gal sump (actual water volume about 220) and can't stand dealing with the finicky, start-up issues with the sicce pumps.

I don't necessarily need the latest, cutting-edge skimmer made. I'm fine with a tried and true design, as long as it's proven to be solid and dependable.

Here's my wish list:
A skimmer that is as close to set and forget it as possible
Ease is cleaning - and being able to take the skimmer fully apart
An excellent quality, dependable pump (prefer 1 pump over 2)
Great customer service


Price range of 600 - 1000.

Thanks for your help.:fish2:

summer6
03/26/2010, 07:21 PM
Forgot to add^^^
Med to heavy stocked and moving toward SPS.

MarineGirl411
03/26/2010, 08:01 PM
So, I have a 180 gallon tank that I will be setting up, or either my half circle 100. I cannot decide yet. I have been trying to sell the 180, but no bites. So, may just have to set it up. I was wondering, what is a good skimmer for this size tank? I cannot afford the most expensive skimmer. Right now I have an H&S that I simply love. I was told that it would be too small for this system. So I've been looking on RC for a used skimmer. I have come across a Bar Aquatics SK1620, and an Etss 700. What one is better? If neither of them are any good for my system, what would you recommend? Thank you so much.

woogy
03/26/2010, 09:04 PM
hey mojo:

I have tried a coralife ss, seaclown, one that looked like a seaclown that came with a plug and play sump (long story didn't send me the correct parts very confusing)as well as octopus 800. The coralife overflowed and the octopus is way too big for my 29 gallon (sold it). I see the octopus BH100F is about the same size as the 800. But I hear some good reviews about this but scared about it hanging on my tank. The 800 was heavy was afraid it would crack the tank. I just added corals and an anemone to my tank and want the tank to stay as well maintained as I can. I have done fine just using filter floss and changing it out daily and been able to maintain 0 nitrates. I want something this pretty much is plug and play for my 29g. I know you have to "tweak collection cups" etc...but something that is simple, not to overflow and perform well for a HOB skimmer. I see there are some new ones out there and I don't want to drop another 200 bones for another skimmer. Can you help a reefer out?

mojo~
03/26/2010, 09:55 PM
Mojo -

I'm running a BM250 on my 225gal tank 60 gal sump (actual water volume about 220) and can't stand dealing with the finicky, start-up issues with the sicce pumps.

I don't necessarily need the latest, cutting-edge skimmer made. I'm fine with a tried and true design, as long as it's proven to be solid and dependable.

Here's my wish list:
A skimmer that is as close to set and forget it as possible
Ease is cleaning - and being able to take the skimmer fully apart
An excellent quality, dependable pump (prefer 1 pump over 2)
Great customer service


Price range of 600 - 1000.

Thanks for your help.:fish2:
First one that jumps out at me is the ATB 1050 meets everything plus great service set ad forget.
NExt would have to be The SRO 3000, the MSX 250A or the hurricone Cat 1

Only the atb can come fully apart. its also at the top of your budget.
you will want something with a askoll or bubble blaster 3000. The warner marine AS200 is another good option. Moves a lot of water. Not the same air draw as the new latest and greatest but becoming more and mre tried and true.

Toss those around and see what you think. LEt me know if u have any furth questions. If I think of something else I ll let you know as well
Oh almost forgot. The alpha 200 is another nice option. The only alpha cone I like. Its the only one in my opinion that is well balanced and would suggest. just my two cents but check it out as well.
Mojo~

mojo~
03/26/2010, 09:58 PM
So, I have a 180 gallon tank that I will be setting up, or either my half circle 100. I cannot decide yet. I have been trying to sell the 180, but no bites. So, may just have to set it up. I was wondering, what is a good skimmer for this size tank? I cannot afford the most expensive skimmer. Right now I have an H&S that I simply love. I was told that it would be too small for this system. So I've been looking on RC for a used skimmer. I have come across a Bar Aquatics SK1620, and an Etss 700. What one is better? If neither of them are any good for my system, what would you recommend? Thank you so much.

Well to buy new. for the 100 gallon the SWC 160 cone is good, the vertex in 180 and the Sro 2000 series are all nice budget options

for the 180 you can look at the vertex in 280, a WM s200, msx 250 a

mojo~
03/26/2010, 10:02 PM
hey mojo:

I have tried a coralife ss, seaclown, one that looked like a seaclown that came with a plug and play sump (long story didn't send me the correct parts very confusing)as well as octopus 800. The coralife overflowed and the octopus is way too big for my 29 gallon (sold it). I see the octopus BH100F is about the same size as the 800. But I hear some good reviews about this but scared about it hanging on my tank. The 800 was heavy was afraid it would crack the tank. I just added corals and an anemone to my tank and want the tank to stay as well maintained as I can. I have done fine just using filter floss and changing it out daily and been able to maintain 0 nitrates. I want something this pretty much is plug and play for my 29g. I know you have to "tweak collection cups" etc...but something that is simple, not to overflow and perform well for a HOB skimmer. I see there are some new ones out there and I don't want to drop another 200 bones for another skimmer. Can you help a reefer out?
The warner marine h1 is nice but a little big and direct I think you can get them for 180
you may consider something like a tunze 9002 and have it mount inside in the corner. nice smaller skimmer

MarineGirl411
03/26/2010, 10:06 PM
So the Barr Aquatics and the ETSS are not good options?

mojo~
03/26/2010, 10:35 PM
no not really. Sorry. I would look else where in my opinion.

MarineGirl411
03/26/2010, 10:58 PM
Okay. =) TY

summer6
03/28/2010, 02:52 PM
First one that jumps out at me is the ATB 1050 meets everything plus great service set ad forget.
NExt would have to be The SRO 3000, the MSX 250A or the hurricone Cat 1

Only the atb can come fully apart. its also at the top of your budget.
you will want something with a askoll or bubble blaster 3000. The warner marine AS200 is another good option. Moves a lot of water. Not the same air draw as the new latest and greatest but becoming more and mre tried and true.

Toss those around and see what you think. LEt me know if u have any furth questions. If I think of something else I ll let you know as well
Oh almost forgot. The alpha 200 is another nice option. The only alpha cone I like. Its the only one in my opinion that is well balanced and would suggest. just my two cents but check it out as well.
Mojo~

Thanks Mojo for all of the above suggestions.

Upon my first RC/skimmer search I had my eye set on the Alpha 200 - with a great pump. I think the only thing that I wonder about is it's new to the market, and I hope all of the kinks are out for someone like me who does not want to fiddle constantly.

I will read into all the other skimmer options you suggested and see where it leads me.

elFloyd
03/28/2010, 04:55 PM
Hey Mojo... I started reading the thread today and am up to post 200 (I will continue to keep reading). I noticed a lot of times you mention a preference for the MSX skimmers. Why is this one you keep recommending?

Don't get me wrong... I am using a MSX-160 and am very happy with it. I am looking to upgrade my tank (210g) and the skimmer... just looking for the best I can afford.

What is it about the MSX you like?

mojo~
03/28/2010, 05:01 PM
I usually only suggest the msx 250 A . As it doesnt use the sicce pump and it s a good value. Askol pump skimmer under $500. nice.

maxtor
03/28/2010, 05:03 PM
I have a 90 gallon reef with a 30 gallon fuge. Currently I am running a Sealife Systems impact 100 skimmer. This skimmer has been great but I dont think it can keep up with the bioload now that the tank has grown in. I am currently building a new fuge(also 30 gallons) to accomodate a larger skimmer and was hoping to get some suggestions. I was considering the msx200 or the vertex 180. Would like to stay within the 300-350 dollar price range.Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!!

fredflinstone
03/29/2010, 10:10 AM
Hi Mojo, I have a 80G tank with 20G sump. I currently have a G1 with G500 pump with mesh mod. I am not sure if its able to keep up. Would it be better for me to get a Sicce pump instead of the G500? I do not want to spend a lot right now. Please advice.

mojo~
03/29/2010, 10:55 AM
I have a 90 gallon reef with a 30 gallon fuge. Currently I am running a Sealife Systems impact 100 skimmer. This skimmer has been great but I dont think it can keep up with the bioload now that the tank has grown in. I am currently building a new fuge(also 30 gallons) to accomodate a larger skimmer and was hoping to get some suggestions. I was considering the msx200 or the vertex 180. Would like to stay within the 300-350 dollar price range.Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!!

The vertex in 180, or super reef octo 2000 would both be great.

happyface888
03/29/2010, 12:44 PM
Hi Mojo
I hope you can help me out with my skimmer problem.
I have a 45g tank with a 15g sump.
Tank has a medium load of fish, and is composed of mostly softies with some lps. I feed once a day pellets and flakes.

The skimmer that I am using is a OctoEx 160 old version with a msx pin wheel and not the new semi cone one. I have been running this skimmer for about 2 years and I am not impressed with it. It is sitting in 10-12inch of water, and I have the bubble line start right under the cup. If I set it any lower it cant skim anything. And its quite touchy, not sure where to go from here. The skimmer usually fills the collection cup 1/5 of the way with light green colored water.

So right now I am wondering if I should raise my skimmer out of the water, could a skimmer that is sitting in too deep of water mess with its skimming production??

Or is this skimmer to over-sized??

And if the skimmer is sitting to deep, care to explain why this effects its skimming performance?? I need to explain it to someone and its quite hard to explain why.
Thanks

summer6
03/29/2010, 12:48 PM
Hey Mojo, have you had a chance to get your hands on the xp 2000 yet? Saw one in person today and was pretty impressed with its build quality. I've been interested in it since first hearing about it but want to see some good reviews first before I buy. Don't want to make the same mistake I did when I bought an Alpha 200 a few months ago (since sold it). I've been looking at the octo cone or a i-tech 200.

I've had the Alpha 200 on my short list of skimmers (to buy) and wonder if you care to share some reasons why you chose to sell over keeping it.

I couldn't find out how to PM with this new set-up, so please feel free to pm me since I want to keep this thread on track.

After reading more of what mojo said about this line of skimmers (R&D lacking) I don't want to get pulled into another skimmer line (after my BM250) that requires a lot of messing with to get to work.

mojo~
03/29/2010, 03:57 PM
Hi Mojo
I hope you can help me out with my skimmer problem.
I have a 45g tank with a 15g sump.
Tank has a medium load of fish, and is composed of mostly softies with some lps. I feed once a day pellets and flakes.

The skimmer that I am using is a OctoEx 160 old version with a msx pin wheel and not the new semi cone one. I have been running this skimmer for about 2 years and I am not impressed with it. It is sitting in 10-12inch of water, and I have the bubble line start right under the cup. If I set it any lower it cant skim anything. And its quite touchy, not sure where to go from here. The skimmer usually fills the collection cup 1/5 of the way with light green colored water.

So right now I am wondering if I should raise my skimmer out of the water, could a skimmer that is sitting in too deep of water mess with its skimming production??

Or is this skimmer to over-sized??

And if the skimmer is sitting to deep, care to explain why this effects its skimming performance?? I need to explain it to someone and its quite hard to explain why.
Thanks

Ok yes it is oversized for your system. Too large of a neck and it takes too much bioload before the neck fills up.

yes its too deep, the skimmer should be around 9 inches. Too deep makes it more unstable and hard too adjust.

If it were my tank I would look into a SWC 120 or vertex in 80 or 100

the 120 cone is a better fit but you will have to raise it to run in about 7 inches of water.

mojo~
03/29/2010, 04:08 PM
I've had the Alpha 200 on my short list of skimmers (to buy) and wonder if you care to share some reasons why you chose to sell over keeping it.

I couldn't find out how to PM with this new set-up, so please feel free to pm me since I want to keep this thread on track.

After reading more of what mojo said about this line of skimmers (R&D lacking) I don't want to get pulled into another skimmer line (after my BM250) that requires a lot of messing with to get to work.

There are a lot of mixed thoughts on the Alpha skimmers., But get a few guys that have had a lot of skimmers and tested a lot of skimmers talking and most will agree that the Alpha series needed a little more testing before it came out. I fist had the 250 model and I said it needed more air draw. I was told it ran fine on a 100 gallon system. Well not too long after I returned it they revamped the 250 to pull more air and is now a more usuable skimmer.

I thought ok, I ll try the 170. I had surging and other stability issues. I was told that couldnt be. We tested it..... I made some new parts for it and got it working well. A month later they came out with an update that they were coming out with a different volute and adjustable venturi. So with that being said. For the specs. the 200 was the best balanced of the bottom 3. 170,200, 250. I dont think the skimmers are well balanced compared some of the competition. I had a alpha 170 and a bk mini 180 side by side and the alpha's are not built the same as a bk. Same type of material yes. but he bk's are built even better. The skimmers are good. but not great in my opinion. I would look for something that doesnt have all the drama around it. why not get something that everyone says works.

As far as cones I would put the small cones in this order (tanks 125g or less)
ATB 840 1.5 7 in water slevel
WM k2 is a great skimmer, if it wasnt for the rotational issues of the sicce.. run this one about 8 inches
Octo xp2000, run it around 6 to 7 inches water
The SWC 160 cone. about 7 inches as well
The Bubble magus NAC 7.... 7 inches
alpha 170 8 to 9 inches of water.

Again just my opinion.

Mojo~
Octo xp2000, run it around 6 to 7 inches water

Reefobsession
03/29/2010, 04:16 PM
I talked to Luke and he said the SWC 160 cone runs best at 8-9". I would agree because my skimmer is performing much better at 8.5" then 7". The air draw is higher in the 8"-9" range.
Great thread.

Guillaume
03/29/2010, 05:58 PM
Hi,
Great thread. Posted this question without answer but here is the place.:D

I'm upgrading from one 33g to a 65g with the 33g as a sump. 1/3 of the sump will contain fuge with sand, cheato and letuce.

I have this "custom" hang on skimmer sold (250$ too much!) by the LFS who make it. They told me it is rated up to 100g and is working fine on my 33g.

I question the need to replace it with a bigger skimmer (180g rated Vertex or other) considering the macro algeas that will be filtering in the fuge.

Note that the tank will have a low load of coral and medium load of fish (1 oscelaris, 1 six line wrasse, 3 chromis, 1 flame wrasse, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 britle star, a few snails) and I'm a low fish feed freak and not lasy on water changes. Will use RO/DI.

See those picks from my current skimmer which I will put in the sump:
<a href="http://s681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/?action=view&current=Dsc05581.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/Dsc05581.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

An idea of the output size (2 X 1 inches):
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Would you replace it? See problems on keeping this one with the future set-up?

Thanks in advance Mojo..or others!

G

maxtor
03/29/2010, 06:11 PM
Thanks for the reply mojo!! Is there any reason why the msx200 would not be a good choice for my tank? I was really leaning toward that one.

summer6
03/29/2010, 06:29 PM
This thread has been very useful (not being skimmer savvy) so thanks, Mojo, for your time and prompt responses.

I've decided to go with the SRO xp3000 for my 225. It's got the bubble blaster pump, and everything I've read about the cone design sounds favorable from my current skimmer. It's also more reasonably priced than the ATB - which helps when I informed my husband that I really needed a new skimmer after 3 years.

NyReefNoob
03/29/2010, 06:40 PM
one thing i will note on skimmer's not that i have had as many as mojo but ive had my fair share 15-20 in last 5 yr's, you truelly cant tell the performance of a skimmer till it has been running atleast 2 month's, given enough time for the bacteria to build in the body and for it to really settle in, and the old statement you cant go to big, well you can, finding a skimmer apropriate for your size tank will result far much better results than a high dollar over size skimmer, over size skimmer = not constant nog

mojo~
03/29/2010, 07:49 PM
Hi,
Great thread. Posted this question without answer but here is the place.:D

I'm upgrading from one 33g to a 65g with the 33g as a sump. 1/3 of the sump will contain fuge with sand, cheato and letuce.

I have this "custom" hang on skimmer sold (250$ too much!) by the LFS who make it. They told me it is rated up to 100g and is working fine on my 33g.

I question the need to replace it with a bigger skimmer (180g rated Vertex or other) considering the macro algeas that will be filtering in the fuge.

Note that the tank will have a low load of coral and medium load of fish (1 oscelaris, 1 six line wrasse, 3 chromis, 1 flame wrasse, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 britle star, a few snails) and I'm a low fish feed freak and not lasy on water changes. Will use RO/DI.

See those picks from my current skimmer which I will put in the sump:
<a href="http://s681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/?action=view&current=Dsc05581.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/Dsc05581.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

An idea of the output size (2 X 1 inches):
<a href="http://s681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/?action=view&current=Dsc05585.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/gouaill/Dsc05585.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Would you replace it? See problems on keeping this one with the future set-up?

Thanks in advance Mojo..or others!

G
If it isnt broke dont fix it... lol
WHat pump is on it and it might help me determine water turnover. Bt I think you are going to be ok.

mojo~
03/29/2010, 07:51 PM
Thanks for the reply mojo!! Is there any reason why the msx200 would not be a good choice for my tank? I was really leaning toward that one.

the mxx 200 is nice but does use the sicce pump which can start backwards. I would probably look at the swc 160 cone, vertex in 180 or the SRO 200 instead.

mojo~
03/29/2010, 07:54 PM
one thing i will note on skimmer's not that i have had as many as mojo but ive had my fair share 15-20 in last 5 yr's, you truelly cant tell the performance of a skimmer till it has been running atleast 2 month's, given enough time for the bacteria to build in the body and for it to really settle in, and the old statement you cant go to big, well you can, finding a skimmer apropriate for your size tank will result far much better results than a high dollar over size skimmer, over size skimmer = not constant nog

I agree and dissagree. I dont think you need to wait two months to determine how it will perform. I think after two weeks it is going to give you a pretty fair idea. After two months I would agree that performance will improve slightly. but not at the curve from day one to two weeks.

I totally agree with what you said about going too big. you can go too big and your right. too big ='s non constant skimmate production.

chubby hugs
03/29/2010, 08:06 PM
Need a little skimmer help... currently running a premium aquatics "75 Gallon" wet/ dry skimmer as my sump on my 75G. No bio-balls and have some carbon down there, but am running the skimmer that comes with the system. It seems to put off very little skimmate, although I have a very small bio load (2 small perc clowns, 2 firefish). Question 1 is should I be seeing more skimmate or is a tablespoon every few days appropriate for this load? Second, if I am going to upgrade I have VERY limited space (4"W x 8" L). As best I can tell, I will need to run a skimmer that can run outside of the sump or a HOB. I am looking at the Turboflotor multi 1000 as an out of sump skimmer. Any thoughts on that model or other recommendations of out of sump skimmers? Also open to suggestions of HOB or something that fits my sump footprint. I will be increasing my bioload with more fish and some corals down the road, but am trying to move SLOWLY to make sure I am doing things right. THANKS!

mojo~
03/29/2010, 09:42 PM
The SRO 1000, the WM H1 HOB, check out the small octo Ext skimmers. THe WM h1 is one nice HOB skimmer too.

Guillaume
03/30/2010, 06:44 AM
If it isnt broke dont fix it... lol
WHat pump is on it and it might help me determine water turnover. Bt I think you are going to be ok.

Hi Mojo,
The pump is a Maxi-jet 1200 (295gph) fitted with a brush like impeller(don't know right name).
I had in mind that an ideal skimmer must be reated 2 times the volume of a tank (in my case around 85g total system, so ideal = skimmer at 170g max). Isn't that right?

I want also to fight an HA issue. This is why I want to add a phosphate reactor + carbon + RODI. And this is why my question on the need to upgrade the skimmer.
(BTW, HA coming probably from PO4 accumulated in LR from a old bad habit to use baking soda for alk balance and from a steady 5-10mg/l NO3)

Thanks again helping on the planning:)

G

happyface888
03/30/2010, 04:11 PM
Ok yes it is oversized for your system. Too large of a neck and it takes too much bioload before the neck fills up.

yes its too deep, the skimmer should be around 9 inches. Too deep makes it more unstable and hard too adjust.

If it were my tank I would look into a SWC 120 or vertex in 80 or 100

the 120 cone is a better fit but you will have to raise it to run in about 7 inches of water.

Hey Mojo
Thanks for the info, I wished this thread was here earlier lol. It would of helped me get a better choice of skimmer than the one I am using. Looks like I will have to look for another skimmer, its quite sad that I got a bad recommendation on this. Thinking it could skim good.

And in regards to the skimmers you listed, out of the 3 which one is the best and most effective?? And whats the price for that swc 120 cone and where can get it?? I looked up marinesolutions and its not there.
Thanks

mojo~
03/30/2010, 04:25 PM
google swc 120 and its about the 3rd choice down or so. They have them and they are about $225

Mojo~

Joel A
03/30/2010, 04:50 PM
Just got my ATB 840, Very pleased with it. Can't wait it for it to break in more, but after only a couple of hours the foam head is already starting to build nicely.

Mojo- I hear that there is a "break in time" for the mini-airstar (sicce) pumps, where they are a bit louder than usual when first turned on, but then quiet down nicely pretty quick. Is this your experience as well? So far the noise isn't horrible from it, but not as quiet as i thought it was going to be/expected it to be.

mojo~
03/30/2010, 05:47 PM
usually all noise should be gone after the first 4 to 5 days.

Joel A
03/30/2010, 06:20 PM
Good to know. I thought i was going to shoot right past the "break-in" period, but then i made the mistake of thinking i could feed the tank and the skimmer wouldn't freak out... whoops.. ;)

waldomas
03/30/2010, 08:00 PM
Great news Joel!

My 840 will be here on thursday! I went with the standard needle wheel.

Do you have yours in 7" of water?

Joel A
03/30/2010, 08:05 PM
yup, mine is in 7" of water. I have the large pinwheel though.

Just a general question here for mojo or other ATB owners, the dots that line up on the rise pipe, are they supposed to touch? I found out i didn't have my pipe pushed in far enough, and that water was leaking out from underneath it. I crammed it down as far as it would go now, but the dots still don't touch, there's about a centimeter of room between them.. i assume this is normal?

It's running "wide open" right now, and the bubbles aren't rising into the neck yet... but that might also be because i've been an idiot and have been playing with it a ton. Should i just leave it wide open and let it run overnight then look at it again tomorrow?

mojo~
03/30/2010, 11:02 PM
yup, mine is in 7" of water. I have the large pinwheel though.

Just a general question here for mojo or other ATB owners, the dots that line up on the rise pipe, are they supposed to touch? I found out i didn't have my pipe pushed in far enough, and that water was leaking out from underneath it. I crammed it down as far as it would go now, but the dots still don't touch, there's about a centimeter of room between them.. i assume this is normal?

It's running "wide open" right now, and the bubbles aren't rising into the neck yet... but that might also be because i've been an idiot and have been playing with it a ton. Should i just leave it wide open and let it run overnight then look at it again tomorrow?

Yea just let it run wide open over night. you wedge pipe is fine. and slowly over the next couple day start to raise it up.

divewsharks
03/31/2010, 03:00 AM
Yea just let it run wide open over night. you wedge pipe is fine. and slowly over the next couple day start to raise it up.

As I have a new ATB 840 as well, what do you mean by "start to raise it up"? raise what up?

divewsharks
03/31/2010, 03:13 AM
double post....

Joel A
03/31/2010, 05:04 AM
i think he means slowly start to raise the water level up.. but using the wedge pipe.

KRASHPD
03/31/2010, 09:32 AM
Hey Mojo,

Just curious if you saw the new nozzle solutions to the Alpha Cones on the Premium Aquatics section? If that resolves the issues and with the current sale they are having, would you put the Alpha Cones back at a level with the ATB's and KZ's or do they still fall short? Also, do you think the Alpha 170 with the new nozzles is worth double a SWC-160 due the the Red Dragon Pump and materials used?

Thanks!