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mojo~
03/02/2009, 11:09 PM
WEll Grim has done such a good job on the T5 forum and I see so many skimmer questions. Why not start this forum. I get pms and emails quite often so why not put it all in one place for everyone. We will see how it works. There are a lot of people here that have had a good amount of knowledge on skimmers. So if I dont know the answer, someone else might know. So post you questions here and we will see how it goes.
Mojo~

mojo~
03/02/2009, 11:31 PM
Here are a couple reviews and such that I will combine here for some easy reading.
15 skimmer review
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1518115
Warner Marine K2 review
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1532624
Bubble King Mini 160
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1571129

TheNomadRhodes
03/02/2009, 11:49 PM
Hello! I have a Aqua Euro USA 400 Skimmer sitting on my floor that I picked up for super cheaper..
Its rated for a 400G reef tank. I have a heavily stocked 120G Reef, do you think this skimmer is over kill and could do more warm then good? or is there no replacement for Displacement?
I have allot of issues with Hair and other algae's..
What do you think?

mojo~
03/03/2009, 12:02 AM
Is it the ps 400. If so it has three pumps and is just under a 10 inch diameter. I am not familiar with the pumps it uses but I dont believe that it is overkill. The pumps look like a resun pump. my best guess is that the pumps are pulling about 15 scfh of air each. with that being said that would give you about 45 scfh total. Pair that with pretty good water turnover. I Think that will be a pretty good balance for your setup. THe design is a little dated and simple but it works. I would put it in and go. Especially since you already have it. IT should do a pretty good job. should help with the algae as well.

mojo~
03/03/2009, 06:47 AM
Just a little fyi as well, I will be getting one of the first Vertex/proline/bubbleking cones in to review which should be pretty cool. stay tuned for that one. Mojo~

E.intheC
03/03/2009, 08:46 AM
this thread has definite potential. Good idea mojo!

TheNomadRhodes
03/03/2009, 09:47 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14523119#post14523119 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Is it the ps 400. If so it has three pumps and is just under a 10 inch diameter. I am not familiar with the pumps it uses but I dont believe that it is overkill. The pumps look like a resun pump. my best guess is that the pumps are pulling about 15 scfh of air each. with that being said that would give you about 45 scfh total. Pair that with pretty good water turnover. I Think that will be a pretty good balance for your setup. THe design is a little dated and simple but it works. I would put it in and go. Especially since you already have it. IT should do a pretty good job. should help with the algae as well.

Thank you Mojo!
I was thinking about modding the pumps and putting a larger air line on them, its not hard to do and I all ready had all the parts need only thing it will cost is time.

mojo~
03/03/2009, 11:01 AM
That never really hurts. Although I have done it to a few pumps and never saw a gain. But that was airline only. Meshed out with 3 pumps that thing has some serious potential. Although I like convienience of pinwheels.

mojo~
03/03/2009, 11:05 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14524513#post14524513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by E.intheC
this thread has definite potential. Good idea mojo!

Thanks, Its just that everyday I see different skimmer questions being asked, whether its what to buy? What size? or they are having trouble. Well why not have one place like here that peeps can ask questions and bring the focus of all of us to help solve the issues. I will do what I can to help people. If I don't know something I ll tell you I don't know. But I am sure I can find someone that does. Either a fellow hobbyist, salesman/vendor, or manufacturer. SO I hope this is helpful and gets used. Mojo~

E.intheC
03/03/2009, 04:07 PM
I agree. Are you going to try and review most of the skimmers out there?

Do you need help with others? (I have used the Aqua C Remora, Tunze Nano 9002, and (a long time ago) the Current Fission Nano skimmer

mojo~
03/03/2009, 05:00 PM
no not all, Mostly current ones that have some sort of interest to me. And make a valid impact in todays market really. We will see what happens. I cant really afford to buy all the skimmers and take a big hit reselling them.

02WRXGT30R
03/03/2009, 05:05 PM
This will be a good one for sure!!!

I have a 50gal tank with a 25gal sump refuge and I am looking to replace the Coralife 125 i have now it is setup as a hob and I want a hob to replace it what would you recommend the tank will be on the heavy loaded side

shleprock30
03/03/2009, 05:18 PM
Hey Mojo..... just wondering if you have had any thoughts on any of your earlier tested models like the SB40.. have you had any opinion changes since using some of the higher end and newer technology skimmers.

johnanddawn
03/03/2009, 05:44 PM
OK i have a question
I have an octo 200 recirculating that i would like to plumb into the return line
i have never had a skimmer like this and have no idea how to set it up in this manner
have you done this and any tips you could give to save me the trouble of ?
I guess all i need to do is run a T with the in line to the skimmer and the T upward with a seperate return elbow to the sump so the flow wont be restricted from the main tank, but how do i (if possible) control the through skimmer amount
is that about it?

mojo~
03/03/2009, 05:51 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14528167#post14528167 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 02WRXGT30R
This will be a good one for sure!!!

I have a 50gal tank with a 25gal sump refuge and I am looking to replace the Coralife 125 i have now it is setup as a hob and I want a hob to replace it what would you recommend the tank will be on the heavy loaded side

Of hang on the back filters The ones to look at are the Deltecs of course. But some more affordable ones would be the Bermuda Rogue, THe HX from Warner Marine and the MSX hang ons . Good luck I have alwas heard pretty good things about the Rogue.

mojo~
03/03/2009, 05:54 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14528167#post14528167 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 02WRXGT30R
This will be a good one for sure!!!

I have a 50gal tank with a 25gal sump refuge and I am looking to replace the Coralife 125 i have now it is setup as a hob and I want a hob to replace it what would you recommend the tank will be on the heavy loaded side

Of hang on the back filters The ones to look at are the Deltecs of course. But some more affordable ones would be the Bermuda Rogue, THe HX from Warner Marine and the MSX hang ons . Good luck I have always heard pretty good things about the Rogue. Check and you might be able to save some money on a used one. I have found that hang on the backs dont hold there value as well. Just my 2 cents.

mojo~
03/03/2009, 06:00 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14528261#post14528261 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shleprock30
Hey Mojo..... just wondering if you have had any thoughts on any of your earlier tested models like the SB40.. have you had any opinion changes since using some of the higher end and newer technology skimmers.

Not really. THe SB40 was and still is a pretty good skimmer. Has a larger turnover rate than a pinwheel. All in all it would be a great skimmer for thos with a small footprint. I wish it included a air siliencer as it was a bit noisey

mojo~
03/03/2009, 06:03 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14528452#post14528452 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by johnanddawn
OK i have a question
I have an octo 200 recirculating that i would like to plumb into the return line
i have never had a skimmer like this and have no idea how to set it up in this manner
have you done this and any tips you could give to save me the trouble of ?
I guess all i need to do is run a T with the in line to the skimmer and the T upward with a seperate return elbow to the sump so the flow wont be restricted from the main tank, but how do i (if possible) control the through skimmer amount
is that about it?

Alot of people will do this method. However there is no good way to determine the amount of flow going through your skimmer. Might just be easier to use a powerhead for feed pump. You will want to run about 1.5 times your system volume. So if you have a 100g sytem you will want something around 150gph. So a maxijet 400 or 600 would work very well for this. Good luck

mojo~
03/03/2009, 09:35 PM
I hope this is helpful....

mojo~
03/04/2009, 10:45 AM
if anyone care to know I did an air draw test in the Vertex in 100 and it is pulling about 16 scfh. Not terrible for the price of this skimmer. Lots of good changes made to the Gen 2 models.

tav
03/04/2009, 05:26 PM
Mojo, when you tested the Sump Buddy a while back did you happen to do an air draw test? I'm curious for comparative purposes.

Thanks.

mojo~
03/04/2009, 05:33 PM
I didnt back then. I wish I would have. I would be really curious. I am sure it pulled pretty good I would guess aound 2o to 25 scfh if I had to guess

tav
03/04/2009, 05:40 PM
Maybe some other SB 40 user out there happens to have that number. I just ordered one of these and plan to use a Quiet One 3000 with it. I'm looking forward to some good skimming performance when I get it installed.

shleprock30
03/04/2009, 05:45 PM
Where and what kind of meter should you use to test the air draw (yes I am to tired to do all the research), I know it is a Dwyer but not more then that. If it is not outrageously expensive I will get one and test my Sump Buddy..

BTW.. I am running the 3 mini balls like you suggested mojo and it is stable as can be.

mojo~
03/04/2009, 07:44 PM
thats awesome that wher I found mine to work the best. very good skimmers just really simple.

TheNomadRhodes
03/06/2009, 12:50 PM
Can some body please tell me how I can mod my Aqua Euro USA 400s water outlet pipe, I would like to mod it with a valve in place of the slid pipe.
Can any one please help me with this?

mojo~
03/06/2009, 02:23 PM
post a pic so I can see what we are working with

TheNomadRhodes
03/06/2009, 04:59 PM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/Thenomadrhodes/P3060061.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a145/Thenomadrhodes/P2230033.jpg
As you can see i'm limited on space here.
What I wanted to do was find a way I can put like a 90degree angle so I don't have to worry about water splashing out of the pipe and out of the sump, but still be able to control the skimmer level..
Any ideas?

HOBrien
03/06/2009, 05:18 PM
Any suggestions as to a skimmer for a heavly stocked 200gallon FOWLR tank? My max in budget is only a messely $250.

I was looking at the Pacific Coast ps-2000 and ps-3000. Your thoughts on those?

wayne_sreef
03/06/2009, 05:35 PM
Need option on ATI BM300 likes and dislikes.

moondoggy4
03/06/2009, 07:50 PM
Hey Mojo I bought a used Euro Reef CS8/2 about 6 months ago prior to that skimmer I had a ER CS5/3. The tank is a 120 mixed reef with a 30 gallon ER sump. Prior to upgrading my 5/3 would pull out one cup in 3-4 days chocolate syrup skimmate out. Then I got the older style 8/2 with sedra 5000 and it would make a lot of dirty bubbles but never any skimmate. Then in three days the neck would get so dirty I had to clean it. So I upgraded the impeller and the voulte. Then I put a gate valve mod on it still no improvements. My nitrates are up to 100 PPM so I pulled the 8/2 and put the 5/3 back in and I was pulling 2-3 cups a day med tea color skimmate. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

96p993
03/06/2009, 08:00 PM
I just got in a Bubble Magus 160...Im really impressed with the build quality and its potential right out of the box. The Aqua Bee is a great pump but Im looking for some possible changes to make but havent seen much on modding this particular pump...just wondering if you had any suggestions or knew of a thread that dealt with this pump and or skimmer. I have read all the pages of the BM owener thread.

Thanks

tinnghe
03/06/2009, 08:08 PM
it would be a good idea to place a post a link to all the new cone skimmers too many of them out there.

what would you recommend for a 150 heavily stock mix reef? i have the msx 200 and love it, but i think it is too small want to upgrade.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:13 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14550635#post14550635 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TheNomadRhodes
Can some body please tell me how I can mod my Aqua Euro USA 400s water outlet pipe, I would like to mod it with a valve in place of the slid pipe.
Can any one please help me with this?

Where the stand pipe is you can cut it off about 1 inch above the elbow and glue a adapter to standard PVC then you will put in a T fitting and coming out the side of the T is where the Gate valve would go. And you will put a piece about 4 to 5 " coming out of the top of the T I ll if I can find a pick to hlp show what I am talking about.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:18 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14552515#post14552515 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HOBrien
Any suggestions as to a skimmer for a heavly stocked 200gallon FOWLR tank? My max in budget is only a messely $250.

I was looking at the Pacific Coast ps-2000 and ps-3000. Your thoughts on those?

the ps 3000 would work for a FOWLR but I would get something something a little better. Like a msx 250 or a warner marine s 200. I know they are out of your budget. but for your size tank you need to have something that will move enough water through it. You might want to consider a ETSS sump buddy skimmer. They will cycle alot more water than a standard pinwheel skimmer. I would go with something better than what you are looking at. Keep an eye out for a good used one.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:24 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14552648#post14552648 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wayne_sreef
Need option on ATI BM300 likes and dislikes.

The ATI skimmers were a great skimmer when they came out. THey are built pretty chea in my opinion. Not really my choice for the $$$ You would be much better off with a MSX 250 or 300.Just my 2 cents.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:26 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14553611#post14553611 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by moondoggy4
Hey Mojo I bought a used Euro Reef CS8/2 about 6 months ago prior to that skimmer I had a ER CS5/3. The tank is a 120 mixed reef with a 30 gallon ER sump. Prior to upgrading my 5/3 would pull out one cup in 3-4 days chocolate syrup skimmate out. Then I got the older style 8/2 with sedra 5000 and it would make a lot of dirty bubbles but never any skimmate. Then in three days the neck would get so dirty I had to clean it. So I upgraded the impeller and the voulte. Then I put a gate valve mod on it still no improvements. My nitrates are up to 100 PPM so I pulled the 8/2 and put the 5/3 back in and I was pulling 2-3 cups a day med tea color skimmate. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

Not sure but if you are getting a dirty neck then you should raise the water level in the neck. IT make take some time for the new skimmer to break in.Might take more than three days. Give it a week and see if it does any better. And try raising the water level just a little bit as well.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:30 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14553686#post14553686 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 96p993
I just got in a Bubble Magus 160...Im really impressed with the build quality and its potential right out of the box. The Aqua Bee is a great pump but Im looking for some possible changes to make but havent seen much on modding this particular pump...just wondering if you had any suggestions or knew of a thread that dealt with this pump and or skimmer. I have read all the pages of the BM owener thread.

Thanks

Check the DAS and Deltec forums as they use the same pump. About the only thing I would do to an aquabee is maybe mesh mod it. but be careful that your skimmer can handle the extra air volume. THe aquabee usually likes just a little bit of intake restriction as well. check out those forums and htat should help.

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:38 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14553755#post14553755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tinnghe
it would be a good idea to place a post a link to all the new cone skimmers too many of them out there.

what would you recommend for a 150 heavily stock mix reef? i have the msx 200 and love it, but i think it is too small want to upgrade.

Well I believe you are pushing the limit of the 200. you will want something that cycles a little more water. what is your budget? Here are a list of skimmers I would suggest that would be a step up
Bubble king mini 200 gen2
Warner Marine AS200
the New Alpha vertex cone will work very well.
ATB econo 1050
Warner Marine K2

All this will work very well. and would be a step up from the 200 you could go with a MSX 250 as well. As it will add a second pump.

HOBrien
03/06/2009, 10:40 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14554684#post14554684 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
the ps 3000 would work for a FOWLR but I would get something something a little better. Like a msx 250 or a warner marine s 200. I know they are out of your budget. but for your size tank you need to have something that will move enough water through it. You might want to consider a ETSS sump buddy skimmer. They will cycle alot more water than a standard pinwheel skimmer. I would go with something better than what you are looking at. Keep an eye out for a good used one.

Ok What about the SWC Extreme 200?

mojo~
03/06/2009, 10:45 PM
well the 200 is a far better skimmer than the two you suggested and would work fine. I just think if you could cycle more water you would be better off. Thats why I suggested teh 250 as it uses two pumps.

tinnghe
03/06/2009, 11:10 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14554795#post14554795 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Well I believe you are pushing the limit of the 200. you will want something that cycles a little more water. what is your budget? Here are a list of skimmers I would suggest that would be a step up
Bubble king mini 200 gen2
Warner Marine AS200
the New Alpha vertex cone will work very well.
ATB econo 1050
Warner Marine K2

All this will work very well. and would be a step up from the 200 you could go with a MSX 250 as well. As it will add a second pump.

i am interested in getting a cone, budget really depend, but my most concern is the space, i set it to the point that the 200 fit in perfectly. i was thinking of the i-tech medium. what do you think?

HOBrien
03/06/2009, 11:12 PM
Is there anything wrong with the AquaEuroUSA 250 model that has 2 pumps? I can get a used one

Eldredge
03/06/2009, 11:29 PM
Thanks for doing this thread Mojo. I have a 125 gallon tank with a 55 gallon sump/fuge. I have had zero nitrates for quite a while using a cruddy little skimmer that came with the aquarium (both used). The rio pump on the skimmer went out right before I went out of town last week. After a week without a skimmer, my NO3 is still 0 - I have a lot of live rock, fairly light load, and run carbon 24/7. I have checked the nitrate levels in the past with another kit, and it also read 0.

I would like to increase my bio-load, so I think I want a new skimmer, but I am a little worried to start skimming heavily when things seem to be okay right now (sps, lps, and softies doing fine, but I do have some algae).

Anyway, I am considering going with a modest skimmer like one of the basic octopus skimmers, or the bubble magus 100 v2 or maybe 150. I would like something that is a good value - not to expensive, very stable and dependable, and easy to use out of the box. I have a timer that shutts the skimmer off for 15 minutes twice a day, so it has to re-start without any problems too. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thanks for your help.

mojo~
03/07/2009, 12:17 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14554954#post14554954 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tinnghe
i am interested in getting a cone, budget really depend, but my most concern is the space, i set it to the point that the 200 fit in perfectly. i was thinking of the i-tech medium. what do you think?
I have heard things about itech but they are hot air welded and am not as certain about their quality control as some of the others. I cant say anything good or bad about them. I just havent seen anything but pictures of them. The 200 is a good skimmer and if it will fit perfect the cones will most likely not as they have larger bases.

mojo~
03/07/2009, 12:20 AM
not sure what you want to spend but a vertex in 180 would work really well for what you want to do. Basically a euro reef with a bubble plate. Price is about $289 and should work pretty well for what you want to do. The msx 200 would work well but the pumps cans start in either direction which might change how it runs. hope this helps Mojo~

mojo~
03/07/2009, 12:22 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14554970#post14554970 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HOBrien
Is there anything wrong with the AquaEuroUSA 250 model that has 2 pumps? I can get a used one

nothing wrong with it. I am just not a aqua euro fan. THeir are better bang for the buck skimmers out there. Its pretty old school design compared to whats available now days. I would get a nicer skimmer even if its used.

cpllongjk
03/07/2009, 04:24 AM
Mojo,

Currently I have a Euro-Reef cs80. Im looking to upgrade my skimmer but have the future in mind not just my current tank.

My tank now is 60g main, 10g sump.
My next tank, approx 1-2 years from now will be 120g main, 20-30g sump.

This is as large as I will ever have, 150g total water volume. The tank will be heavily stocked with fish, and mainly sps. I havent decided on BB or not for my next build.

I have a few skimmers in mind but dont know what is best for me:

BK mini 180
BK mini 200
BK Cone, either of the new sizes
ATB Econo 840

Price isnt as important as quality and performance. I dont want to have to buy twice is all.

Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.

wayne_sreef
03/07/2009, 06:14 AM
Thanks for the reply. But I am asking about the performance.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14554711#post14554711 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
The ATI skimmers were a great skimmer when they came out. THey are built pretty chea in my opinion. Not really my choice for the $$$ You would be much better off with a MSX 250 or 300.Just my 2 cents.

GSMguy
03/07/2009, 07:07 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14555671#post14555671 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wayne_sreef
Thanks for the reply. But I am asking about the performance.

There mesh mods are sloppy and bubble plates restrictive, mojo was right to point you towards the MSX.

HOBrien
03/07/2009, 09:25 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14555231#post14555231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
nothing wrong with it. I am just not a aqua euro fan. THeir are better bang for the buck skimmers out there. Its pretty old school design compared to whats available now days. I would get a nicer skimmer even if its used.

The only reason I ask is I am waiting on a response back to a $125 for the aqua euro 250. I just dont want to drain all of my excess money just incase I have to get something else when I get the new tank in the house is all.

HOBrien
03/07/2009, 09:32 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14555231#post14555231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
nothing wrong with it. I am just not a aqua euro fan. THeir are better bang for the buck skimmers out there. Its pretty old school design compared to whats available now days. I would get a nicer skimmer even if its used.

Would a Sump Buddy 40 be enough for a heavly stocked 200? They rate it at 180 but I am only FOWLR

Dalmerjd
03/09/2009, 07:48 PM
Hi Folks!
I need a new skimmer though I'm new to reef keeping I need some advice. There are so many to choose from I am overwhelmed. I am also learning that a rating versus an actual volume capability varies greatly.
My current system has a total volume of 580 gallons in three tanks. All three tanks are mixed reef with light to moderate bio load leaving room for growth.
I am currently running an undersized Coralife 220. How do I tell it is not doing a good enough job?
I would love some advice and suggestions which skimmers have a good track record and are big enough for my system.
Thanks in advance.

mojo~
03/09/2009, 10:19 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14556600#post14556600 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HOBrien
Would a Sump Buddy 40 be enough for a heavly stocked 200? They rate it at 180 but I am only FOWLR
I would say no. You would want to go to the SB 60 if that is the way your wanted to go. A warner Marine as 200 would work well too.

mojo~
03/09/2009, 10:26 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14574447#post14574447 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dalmerjd
Hi Folks!
I need a new skimmer though I'm new to reef keeping I need some advice. There are so many to choose from I am overwhelmed. I am also learning that a rating versus an actual volume capability varies greatly.
My current system has a total volume of 580 gallons in three tanks. All three tanks are mixed reef with light to moderate bio load leaving room for growth.
I am currently running an undersized Coralife 220. How do I tell it is not doing a good enough job?
I would love some advice and suggestions which skimmers have a good track record and are big enough for my system.
Thanks in advance.

There is no way that your coralife 220 is enough skimmer for 580 gallons. You have a pretty large sytem. I would actually go with a Bermuda BPS 8C or a hurricone CAT 2. Those would be pretty good skimmers for your system. What you have now is way undersized for 580 gallons of anything in my opinion. Hope this helps. Mojo~

HOBrien
03/10/2009, 10:36 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14575799#post14575799 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
I would say no. You would want to go to the SB 60 if that is the way your wanted to go. A warner Marine as 200 would work well too.

How quite are the Sump Buddy's?

acliao
03/10/2009, 11:41 AM
HI Mojo,

I would like to thank you for starting this wonderful Q&A thread and the comprehensive reviews on various skimmers. Great work!!!

I am in the process of upgrading my tank to 120G and am deciding between the Octo/MSX 200 and Vertex IN-180. the Octo/MSX200 has better pump but Vertex seems to have better reaction chamber design. Both units are similarly priced. Can you provide your recommendations on these units?

thanks again for the great info.

PowermanKW
03/10/2009, 11:56 AM
I was wondering if you could throw in your .02 on what I poted in another thread. I did read you write up on the 160.

I have the EV-120 on my 90g reef now that is normally stocked. May be heavily in the future depending on skimmer. I bought a PM Bullet 1 and a Mag12. I'm waiting for that one to get here. It's over seas.

So, now I have a line on a BK mini 160 right here local. It is only 8 months old. He went to the Gen II 180. He wants $550.

I know the PM1 will be better than my EV-120. Still excited to get it. However, the BK is at a good price and lightly used. I would never drop the cash for a new one. Of course, for both these I am taking off the money I expect to get from my 120/mag7.

The same guy also has a ER RS 180. He used that one for a year and a half. It includes the SP4 pump, as well as the SP5, and the gate valve mod. He wants $300 for that.

I can always turn around and sell the Bullet1/12 when it comes in.

Any input on the differences would be most appreciated. I'm not very knowledgeable on the ER and BK. Heck the Bullet 1 is new to me.

mojo~
03/10/2009, 02:38 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14578752#post14578752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by acliao
HI Mojo,

I would like to thank you for starting this wonderful Q&A thread and the comprehensive reviews on various skimmers. Great work!!!

I am in the process of upgrading my tank to 120G and am deciding between the Octo/MSX 200 and Vertex IN-180. the Octo/MSX200 has better pump but Vertex seems to have better reaction chamber design. Both units are similarly priced. Can you provide your recommendations on these units?

thanks again for the great info.

The MSX 200 would be a good choice. The vertex isnt a bad skimmer by any means but there are a lot more parts out there for the sicce pump. Several pinwheels and mesh mods too. I would get the msx 200 over the vertex. But they are both good skimmers but for the same $$$ you get a better pump...

mojo~
03/10/2009, 02:41 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14578874#post14578874 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PowermanKW
I was wondering if you could throw in your .02 on what I poted in another thread. I did read you write up on the 160.

I have the EV-120 on my 90g reef now that is normally stocked. May be heavily in the future depending on skimmer. I bought a PM Bullet 1 and a Mag12. I'm waiting for that one to get here. It's over seas.

So, now I have a line on a BK mini 160 right here local. It is only 8 months old. He went to the Gen II 180. He wants $550.

I know the PM1 will be better than my EV-120. Still excited to get it. However, the BK is at a good price and lightly used. I would never drop the cash for a new one. Of course, for both these I am taking off the money I expect to get from my 120/mag7.

The same guy also has a ER RS 180. He used that one for a year and a half. It includes the SP4 pump, as well as the SP5, and the gate valve mod. He wants $300 for that.

I can always turn around and sell the Bullet1/12 when it comes in.

Any input on the differences would be most appreciated. I'm not very knowledgeable on the ER and BK. Heck the Bullet 1 is new to me.

Hands down the Bk 160. All the others are great units. But the Bubble king 160 is so quiet and smooth. Built like a tank and I love everything about the bubbleking. I miss mine to be honest. I cant wait to get the Vertex/BK alpha Cone skimmer here in another couple weeks. The pm skimmer will be a little louder and cycle more water. Great skimmers...just not the same as a BK in my opinion.

PowermanKW
03/10/2009, 04:37 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14580134#post14580134 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Hands down the Bk 160. All the others are great units. But the Bubble king 160 is so quiet and smooth. Built like a tank and I love everything about the bubbleking. I miss mine to be honest. I cant wait to get the Vertex/BK alpha Cone skimmer here in another couple weeks. The pm skimmer will be a little louder and cycle more water. Great skimmers...just not the same as a BK in my opinion.

Thanks for your input. I'm going over tomorrow to buy his Tunze osmolator. Who knows what else I'll walk away with. I would not be considering such a prices expenditure right now, but come on $550 for almost new. Very tempting.

I know the Bullets are good and I will be happy. However, I'm looking at around $350 for an upgrade to a BK 160 after I sell my other stuff. Hard to pass up.

Question The ever popular capacity question. How do you think it would do on a heavily stocked 90g? Mine isn't heavily stocked now, just asking.

mojo~
03/10/2009, 05:18 PM
The 160 will be just fine. No worries at all with your tank size. Even heavily stocked.

HOBrien
03/10/2009, 05:21 PM
Why is there a height difference between the SWC Extreme 250 and the MSX Extreme 250 of 1"?

PowermanKW
03/11/2009, 04:33 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14581289#post14581289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
The 160 will be just fine. No worries at all with your tank size. Even heavily stocked.

I walked away with the 160. Quite impressive in person. Don't know if it's necessary, but it is impressive. Can't wait to set it up.

mojo~
03/11/2009, 05:09 PM
i miss the one I had already.

Tracey2
03/11/2009, 08:18 PM
Can anyone tell me if a Tunze 9010 will work on a 150 gallonDT, 40g sump and 20g fuge?

PermaNoob
03/11/2009, 09:34 PM
Any recommendations for our setup? We're setting up a used 120g that will be a mixed reef. I was thinking maybe something like an MSX200. Skimmers more than any other piece of equipment just seem to overwhelm me with the selections. I'd like to set this up as internal and need to keep the noise to the lowest level possible while doing a brilliant job of skimming. Thank you.

coopdogyo
03/11/2009, 10:33 PM
Hey i was wondering if you can tell me what is wrong with my skimmer. I have a 72 gallon bowfront that i am cycleing. i have a reef devil skimmer with a mag 7 pump and 6 bioballs in it. it has been running for about 5 weeks now and i still can't get the skimmate dialed in. I either get to much to the point where it overflows the skimmer cup of it never gets out of the tube. I have a ball valve on the skimmer but it seems that even just half a turn is enough to over flow the skimmer.

mojo~
03/11/2009, 10:35 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14590521#post14590521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Can anyone tell me if a Tunze 9010 will work on a 150 gallonDT, 40g sump and 20g fuge?
I think it will work ok. Not really my top choice but if it is what you want I think it will work just fine.

mojo~
03/11/2009, 10:39 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14591176#post14591176 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PermaNoob
Any recommendations for our setup? We're setting up a used 120g that will be a mixed reef. I was thinking maybe something like an MSX200. Skimmers more than any other piece of equipment just seem to overwhelm me with the selections. I'd like to set this up as internal and need to keep the noise to the lowest level possible while doing a brilliant job of skimming. Thank you.

The msx 200 would work just fine. Very nice skimmer I would say that the msx 200 or the warner marine as 200 would be what you want to be looking at. Unless you want to spend a little more and Get a Cone skimmer .... but you are looking at more $$$ if you want the least amount of hassle with the msx and pull a good amount of air get the msx200 and go to reefspecialty and get the atb pinwheel. It pulls more air than the stock one and no mesh to worry about.

mojo~
03/11/2009, 10:42 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14591613#post14591613 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by coopdogyo
Hey i was wondering if you can tell me what is wrong with my skimmer. I have a 72 gallon bowfront that i am cycleing. i have a reef devil skimmer with a mag 7 pump and 6 bioballs in it. it has been running for about 5 weeks now and i still can't get the skimmate dialed in. I either get to much to the point where it overflows the skimmer cup of it never gets out of the tube. I have a ball valve on the skimmer but it seems that even just half a turn is enough to over flow the skimmer.
The downdraft skimmers from etss work very well but how is the water level it is in? Is a constant level. If it fluctuates the skimmer will overflow. adjust it so the bubbles are breaking about 1/3 the way up the cup and let it run for a while. see what that does and let me know. Mojo~

paper clip
03/12/2009, 12:39 AM
hello, I currently have a BK, mini 200. My tank total volume will be around 300 with around 150 in the display. My sump is in the basement so noise is not an issue if i were to change skimmers. I plan on running a mixed reef sps, lps, and a few select softies. Do you think the BK can keep up or should i go for a larger skimmer?

Thanks

mojo~
03/12/2009, 12:56 AM
I think the 200 is a great skimmer but I dont think it moves enough water volume to be sufficient for your sytstem. Check into the new alpha 250 cone from royal exclusive or maybe the super marin 250 or 300

brando07
03/12/2009, 04:45 AM
I HAVE AN ASM G3 SKIMMER IN A 30 GAL ACRYLIC SUMP ON A 120gal TNK, IN THE 2 WEEKS MY COLLECTION IS STILL ONLY 1/2 FULL. I WENT FROM EMPTING A FULL DARK BROWN ALMOST BLACK COLLECTION CUP EVERY WEEK TO ONLY A 1/2 CUP IN 2 WEEKS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY POINTERS OR IDEAS, IF SO CAN YOU EITHER REPLY HERE OR PM ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

ReefKeeperRob
03/12/2009, 05:10 AM
mojo - I have an octo extreme 200. The sicce pump is obnoxious. I had coralvue send me a new impeller because my LFS tells me the magnets can occasionally be out of balance. This did not help. It doesn't matter if I run mesh or pinwheel.

I really just don't want to deal with the sicce pumps at this point. Can you recommend another pump. It doesn't necessarily have to be plug and play, I can fab something up. Something silent that pulls between 35-60 scfh.

thanks

yeldarbj
03/12/2009, 05:56 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14590521#post14590521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Can anyone tell me if a Tunze 9010 will work on a 150 gallonDT, 40g sump and 20g fuge?

Depends on what you want to keep. I think Tunze rates the 9010 for up to 264g, but that is pretty much for a fish only system. If you are thinking a lot of sps, you might want to check out their new Tunze Master DOC 9440 or others that Mojo is suggesting.

I've got the 9010 on a 65g tank, heavily sps stocked, and it does a great job, but I probably wouldn't want to go with it on much more than a 90g tank if you want to keep a lot of sps.

mojo~
03/12/2009, 08:43 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14592436#post14592436 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brando07
I HAVE AN ASM G3 SKIMMER IN A 30 GAL ACRYLIC SUMP ON A 120gal TNK, IN THE 2 WEEKS MY COLLECTION IS STILL ONLY 1/2 FULL. I WENT FROM EMPTING A FULL DARK BROWN ALMOST BLACK COLLECTION CUP EVERY WEEK TO ONLY A 1/2 CUP IN 2 WEEKS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY POINTERS OR IDEAS, IF SO CAN YOU EITHER REPLY HERE OR PM ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

pull the pump apart. You may have salt creep in the air intake or calcium build up in the pump housing.

mojo~
03/12/2009, 08:48 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14592500#post14592500 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefKeeperRob
mojo - I have an octo extreme 200. The sicce pump is obnoxious. I had coralvue send me a new impeller because my LFS tells me the magnets can occasionally be out of balance. This did not help. It doesn't matter if I run mesh or pinwheel.

I really just don't want to deal with the sicce pumps at this point. Can you recommend another pump. It doesn't necessarily have to be plug and play, I can fab something up. Something silent that pulls between 35-60 scfh.

thanks

You might want to try another Sicce pump with the ATB pinwheel you can get from reefspecialty. Otherwise you might want to look at a laguna or askoll pump. You will want a smaller one. like a 1000 model. any other pumps I think are just too big to try to mount on the octo 200. On pinwheel you shouldnt have any issues with the sicce. something has to be wrong with your pump and should be covered under warranty.

x2uranium
03/12/2009, 01:32 PM
mojo~ I need something newer for my tank 100 gal total volume, I want something bigger, for when I upgrade but dont feel like spending a huge lump sum of money I was thinking about max price ~500ish. Which would you reccommend. I also have a heavy bio load. I was thinking on the realm of bubble magus 250S possibly. I have the BM100 on my 30G total vol frag tank and it performs very very well. Even though it is a cheap chinese knock off, it is built pretty darn well.

mojo~
03/12/2009, 10:10 PM
For your system volume and budget. I First pic the warner marine as 150 . Two reasons I would pick this over the msx 200. THe WM as 150 uses a sedra 7000 and runs on a pinwheel and cycles more water than the sicce. Also no worries about running in reverse as well. With the increased water volume it will cycle the water a little more often. The build quality is amazing.
Second I would go with the MSX 200. Great bang for he buck.
Another option is wait for a nice used BK mini 160, or a used cone skimmer if you can find one. Might be something to look at. Hope this helps.

ReefKeeperRob
03/13/2009, 12:45 AM
Mojo -

I've done this on another thread and was told my sicce shouldn't sound like this. Can you look at the two videos I've posted and confirm that something doesn't sound right with my Octo Extreme 200? The quiet video is just with my return pump running as well as water draining into the sump from my overflow. The next one is with the octo plugged in.

It's in my room and I can't deal with it. I need to figure out if the sicce is quieter when it operates correctly or if I need to get a different pump.

sump no octo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1rCm0Y5oAI)

sump with octo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-ERWUDJBY)

ReefKeeperRob
03/13/2009, 01:01 AM
Mojo -

The Warner Marine 150 with the sedra 7000 pulls 500l/h of air which converts to 18 scfh.

The Octo Extreme 200 (Same as MSX) I have is pulling 35-40 scfh with a mesh wheel that has no start issues. With the new purple pinwheel that came out in the last week or so you can get 30 scfh.

I would go with the Octo if the noise issue I'm having is not normal.

Tracey2
03/13/2009, 04:21 PM
thanks mojo, I'm not sure if the Tunze is what I want, I just liked that it seemed more compact but I'm not sure if that means it won't do the job. I also looked at the Octo extreme.

Tracey2
03/13/2009, 04:36 PM
It's good to hear it works well, I never hear anyone talking about Tunze and have been concerned if i have might the right choice or not. I looked up the price of the Tunze Master 9460, quite a price jump. Not sure what corals I want to to yet, would it work it I stick to soft?

mojo~
03/13/2009, 04:56 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14599867#post14599867 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefKeeperRob
Mojo -

The Warner Marine 150 with the sedra 7000 pulls 500l/h of air which converts to 18 scfh.

The Octo Extreme 200 (Same as MSX) I have is pulling 35-40 scfh with a mesh wheel that has no start issues. With the new purple pinwheel that came out in the last week or so you can get 30 scfh.

I would go with the Octo if the noise issue I'm having is not normal.

The 500lph is pretty modest. In reality it will pull about 20 to 24 scfh. But everyone forgets about the water that is pulled in as well as the design of the skimmer. THe 150 uses a longer transition cone top piece.
If we go by air draw alone you would say that the msx 200 is better than a bubble king mini. And I can say for a fact that this is not the case.
Sounds like your mesh is too big or not balanced. you may have worn your shaft and or worn out the pump. The sicce pump will pull massive air but it will wear out the pumps alot faster. And hte MSX over the octo X . THe octo X has a different reducer venturi assembly on the sicce than the MSX otherwise the same. You need to pull your pump apart and find out what is up with it. It should not be that noisey. They arent the quietest pumps but they are not that loud.

mojo~
03/13/2009, 04:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14604167#post14604167 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
thanks mojo, I'm not sure if the Tunze is what I want, I just liked that it seemed more compact but I'm not sure if that means it won't do the job. I also looked at the Octo extreme.
Warner MArine and ATB are both coming out with mini cone skimmers as well as the swc brand. Might want to give them both a look. The will be compact as well.

ReefKeeperRob
03/13/2009, 09:53 PM
Tracey -

The Tunze 9460 is rated to FIFTEEN HUNDREED gallons! Just a tad overkill if you ask me :)

I would get the Reef Octopus Huricone Category 1 skimmer. I would say the Octo Extreme 200 but I'm unhappy with the noise of the sicce pump on mine. I haven't personally listened to an Askoll pump but I'm guessing it has to be quieter that the siccce. Can anyone verify that?

edit:
Hopefully it's not improper for me to give my .02 cents. Just sharing my little bit of experience. If mojo's supposed to be answering all the questions I'll stay out of it :thumbsup:

Tracey2
03/14/2009, 07:52 AM
Ok, someone above had suggested the 9460, thanks for the input.

reeferkeeper
03/15/2009, 07:22 PM
Just thought I would post this here for those that are following the skimmer Q&A thread will see and and maybe help or even be informed.

I have a 65gal that I plan to make a FOWLR. I will stock on the conservative side. I have a 26 gal sump that I will be using to house the skimmer, return pump and fuge. I can design this sump anyway I want, it's empty. I don't have a stand built so skimmer height is not a problem. My price range is around $300 or less maybe a little more.

Any suggestions?

mojo~
03/15/2009, 07:53 PM
for that price range I would say the msx 160 or 200 with the pinwheel. if you wanted to go cheaper you can go with the Vertex IN 100.

treylane
03/15/2009, 10:09 PM
120g system, mixed reef, lots of small fish, fairly heavy feedings. Price and size aren't an issue (except that I don't want a HUGE skimmer), but ease of use and quiet are important.

ATB Small Cone vs. BK Mini 160 ? Or something else entirely?

mojo~
03/15/2009, 10:56 PM
Bk mini Gen 2 180 would be a great fit. Small and it will move more water and be a perfect fit for your tank. IT would be my top pick for sure. The 160 will work but the 18o will be a better fit.

jkeim1974
03/16/2009, 03:31 PM
I have a 75 gallon display and a 30 gallon frag tank that will go into a 40 gallon sump about half full. I need a skimmer for around 300 bucks with the 40 gallon sump footprint shouldn't be an issue.

jkeim1974
03/16/2009, 03:37 PM
As of now I am figuring on being moderately to heavy stocked if this helps to narrow the skimmers.

mojo~
03/16/2009, 05:14 PM
msx/OctoX 200 will fit you fine. Get the new Large atb pinwheel and you will be set dialed in. You dont need the pinwheel but it is better than the stock ones. Good luck

Mojo~

jkeim1974
03/16/2009, 05:20 PM
where is best place to purchase msx/octox 200? Do you have a link and also one for the atb pinwheel.

mojo~
03/16/2009, 05:32 PM
Skimmer
http://www.reefspecialty.com/Protein-Skimmers-Octopus-Extreme/c21_65/p289/Octopus-Extreme-Skimmer-Series-200/product_info.html

pinwheel (large)
http://www.reefspecialty.com/p400/ATB-Sicce-Pinwheel/product_info.html

jkeim1974
03/16/2009, 05:57 PM
thanks for your help

reeferkeeper
03/17/2009, 01:25 PM
For my 65 gal FOWLR light load with sump

Marineland Advanced In-Sump Protein Skimmer 100 Gal

$160 shipped

http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20090210184614/www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-34168-44875-fish-supply.jpg



Or

Bubble-Magus BM100 v2 Skimmer $145 shipped

http://www.nuocean.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/8/8/886.jpg

jkeim1974
03/17/2009, 02:02 PM
Just to let you know I'm replacing that marineland skimmer now.
It doesn't pull much crap out and it has a nasty habit of going crazy and overflowing. I have had nothing but trouble with it on my 75 gallon reef.

mojo~
03/17/2009, 02:18 PM
I am not really a fan of either one of those skimmers. The bubble magnus is a better choice than the marineland skimmer but would go with a msx 160 over those to by far. or even vertex IN 100 gen 2

reeferkeeper
03/17/2009, 02:23 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14631127#post14631127 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
I am not really a fan of either one of those skimmers. The bubble magnus is a better choice than the marineland skimmer but would go with a msx 160 over those to by far. or even vertex IN 100 gen 2

I really like the Vertex IN-100 Gen II but I was trying to save some jack. I am upgrading from a used Coralife CSS65 that came with the tank and sump and all. Maybe that's one of the reasons the seller sold. He probably couldn't get that skimmer to work properly and maybe always added chemicals and stuff instead of just getting a decent skimmer.

mojo~
03/19/2009, 10:30 AM
I will be out of town till sat evening. So be patient if I cant get back to you al right away. I am sure others like CSMguy ect.... can chime in and give a hand. I am really liking the Large Purple Pinwheel (ATB) on the MSX 160. I might order the other one from Reefspecialty, the small one, and give it a shot as well. So much nicer than the mesh.Once I get another skimmer in to review I had planned on making some changes to my 160 but I don't think it will handle much more air than what I am giving it now. I might have to get a 200 body or another cone to really do some magic on my sicce. I have seen the warner Marine sicce pull 42 scfh. Now I don't have all their resources but I have quite a few. well until Saturday. And if you haven't ordered your pinwheel for your sicce pump. Well what a Huge difference. I wish these pinwheels came stock.
Also only about a week or two out on the new alpha 250 Vertex cone skimmer. That should be a really nice unit. Thanks to premium aquatics for letting me review this one . Jeremy has been great. Not to mention... I only live an hour and a half away.
And after that not much planned. I am thinking maybe an ATB of some sort. I am really liking there pinwheel so if the rest of the skimmer is that good I am sure I will be pleased.

Mojo~

Tracey2
03/21/2009, 03:54 PM
Has anyone here used the ASM G3? Any opinions?

TheNomadRhodes
03/21/2009, 06:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14661227#post14661227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Has anyone here used the ASM G3? Any opinions?

I have the G2 and I liked it, its no Deltec! but a good Skimmer.
I have a G2 i'm trying to sell now that I upgrade to this monster skimmer :rollface:


Also I was wondering what is every ones opinions on Dry skimming Vs Wet skimming? any real difference?

GSMguy
03/21/2009, 06:38 PM
ASM are like 2001's version MSX/octo extreme, for the money they just don't offer the value that they once did and there are plenty of cheaper better skimmers.

mojo~
03/22/2009, 08:33 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14662060#post14662060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
ASM are like 2001's version MSX/octo extreme, for the money they just don't offer the value that they once did and there are plenty of cheaper better skimmers.

I totally agree....ASM are a it dated.

Charlie Davidson
03/22/2009, 09:28 PM
If i got the 280 vertex.. and wanted to replace pump with another make.. What size is the piping on discharge of the pump- into the skimmer??

( I just sold a ASM G3, I am 100% sure new owner will love it as much as I did!) Dated yes, work well? yes ( no longer best bang for the buck!)

Tracey2
03/23/2009, 05:58 AM
Is the ASM G3 big enough for a 150g dt, 40g sump, 20g fuge?

dpitzer
03/25/2009, 09:07 AM
Hi my first post here!:D

I sold my last reef tank in 2001 and many things have changed since then. I just ordered a new 400G glass tank from AO and am looking for some guidance on a skimmer. I am leaning towards a bubbleking, but would like to hear if I should go with and external or internal skimmer. I am expecting to have a 90 - 100g sump, an 80g refugium and a 40g frag tank. I also like to stock a little on the heavy side so please keep that in mind.

Other than BubbleKing what else would you guys recommend?

Thanks!

Dave

mojo~
03/25/2009, 10:33 AM
When you get into the larger systems the playing field for pinwheel skimmers and becket style skimmer are leveled out a bit. Bubble king would be great no doubt there. You might want to look at the Hurricone CAT 2 or maybe the new vertex Alpha 250 cone. I think both of those would be a bit on the small side . Another that would be cheaper alternative would be the Octo X 350 and upgrade the pinwheels to the ATB large. THat would move a good amount of water and pull around 90 scfh of air. Skimmer is $650 and 3 ATB pinwheels would be about $90 more. Stock pinwheels will pull about 60 scfh(20 each pump) ATB smalls will 25 each and large about 30 each. So you could fine tune your skimmer the way you want. I hope this give you some more choices. And the ATB Large would work well too. You will have to take a look at them all and see what you think will work best for you.

dustinP
03/25/2009, 11:05 AM
would a ATI bubble master 200 or 250 be a good choice on a 120 dominated by SPS with some clams and LPS

mojo~
03/30/2009, 08:20 AM
the 200 would make a great choice. However for the money I would look at the msx 200. or the WM as 200. not sure what your budget is. But those two are close in price to the ati. Wm about same , the msx cheaper.

yeldarbj
04/05/2009, 01:24 PM
Mojo, since you are probably the only person who has tried them both, what would be your choice between the ATB Econo 840 and the WM K-2 skimmers for a 150g total volume, fully stocked, sps dominant reef?

I know you really like the ATB currently, but you also really liked the K-2 as well when you had it. I worry a bit that the ATB could be undersized and the K-2 oversized. Is that a concern?

mojo~
04/05/2009, 02:21 PM
I would not say that as the pump is the same on them both. Same block anyways. So the air and water they cycle will be similar. THe K2 pulls more air and has a larger body. I would say the k2 would be better with the larger body you would get a little longer contact time. However the ATB takes the sicce a step further with a custom volute. If you are set on a cone for a little more you could go with the ATB 1050 or the alpha 250. I dont think the K2 will be oversized at all. The atb's pump is a big deal to me as it solves the restarting the wrong direction that one might see with other sicce pumps. THe bottom line is they are both great skimmers. I shut mine off everyday when I feed. So the pump starting is a big deal to me. I do like the gate valve that the k2 has on it over the wedge pipe on the ATB. If I could take what I like about them both and put them together then I would have the best ofboth worlds. I hope that this helps.
Mojo~

yeldarbj
04/05/2009, 02:30 PM
Thanks. You've mentioned the Sicce restarting issue several times. Did you have any trouble with it on the K2? I typically don't shut off the skimmer when feeding.

mojo~
04/05/2009, 03:11 PM
I use my dwyer to tell what direction it starts on all my sicce pump skimmers, MSX, octoX, and the K2. MY K2 pulled about 38 to 40 scfh forward and about 30 scfh in reverse. MY octo and msx sicce skimmers puled about 35 scfh on mesh forward and about 22 in reverse. Just to give you an example. Great skimmers but for me it was about a 50/50 shot.if you dont turn it of but to clean its probably not a big deal. But its too much work for me to check it twice a day as I shut my done to feed.

yeldarbj
04/05/2009, 03:49 PM
And for reference, what's the ATB pulling?

mojo~
04/05/2009, 08:21 PM
small pin wheel is about 700 lph about 24 scfh, The large pinwheel puls about 32 to 34 scfh. But stock its about 24 scfh. Remeber though its not just about the air draw. ITs about a balance of air water and skimmer design.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 08:01 AM
Mojo, Do you have any good tips that I should know for my new WM K-2 skimmer? I have it in seven inches of water. Any info would be great.
Daniel

vanillagorila
04/12/2009, 03:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14767488#post14767488 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
small pin wheel is about 700 lph about 24 scfh, The large pinwheel puls about 32 to 34 scfh. But stock its about 24 scfh. Remeber though its not just about the air draw. ITs about a balance of air water and skimmer design.
what model air meter are you using?

mojo~
04/12/2009, 03:44 PM
Ill have to go look at it. I am going to sell it as I ordered another one that will go to 100 scfh

vanillagorila
04/12/2009, 05:45 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14812326#post14812326 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Ill have to go look at it. I am going to sell it as I ordered another one that will go to 100 scfh
thats what I need. one that goes up to 100 to test my airstar.

mojo~
04/12/2009, 06:45 PM
the one i ordered is a Air RMB-53-SSV

vanillagorila
04/12/2009, 06:54 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14813162#post14813162 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
the one i ordered is a Air RMB-53-SSV
thanks mojo, thats the one I was looking at.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 07:52 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14810272#post14810272 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Buganddoug
Mojo, Do you have any good tips that I should know for my new WM K-2 skimmer? I have it in seven inches of water. Any info would be great.
Daniel
Mojo do you have any tips that can help me?

vanillagorila
04/12/2009, 08:03 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14813597#post14813597 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Buganddoug
Mojo do you have any tips that can help me?
has it been working good, bad or are you just trying to fine tune it?

mojo~
04/12/2009, 08:06 PM
Open the gate valve and let it run overnight wide open. Then bring it up till the bubbles are breaking about a third of the way up the cup. Just let it run and you are all set.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 08:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14813677#post14813677 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vanillagorila
has it been working good, bad or are you just trying to fine tune it?
Thanks. It works great. I was just looking for the best way to fine tune it.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 08:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14813697#post14813697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Open the gate valve and let it run overnight wide open. Then bring it up till the bubbles are breaking about a third of the way up the cup. Just let it run and you are all set.


I have it set the same way.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 08:16 PM
My MRC-2 can not hold a candle to this WM K-2

vanillagorila
04/12/2009, 08:16 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14813753#post14813753 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Buganddoug
Thanks. It works great. I was just looking for the best way to fine tune it.

cool.

mojo~
04/12/2009, 08:28 PM
yea just give it time and the cup will be filling full of foam soon enough.

Buganddoug
04/12/2009, 09:00 PM
I have used many skimmer over the years 15 plus and this is really a nice skimmer.

mojo~
04/12/2009, 09:02 PM
yea I understand :) . Nothing special to do just use it as you would any other. you will have to share some pics when you can.

Buganddoug
04/13/2009, 05:06 AM
Photos will come as soon as I am done making my new sump. this week.

Tracey2
04/13/2009, 08:46 AM
Hi mojo, can you tell me which one you would choose? Total water volume 200g, has to fit in a 30g long (12x36), has to fit thru my door 8" the base can be bigger and go thru on an angle. BubbleKing mini 200, ASM G3, WM K2??? Are the dimensions of the K2 in this thead somewhere? Thanks

mojo~
04/13/2009, 09:57 AM
Before I built my custom sump I could only get the k2 in and out the side. IT could not go through the front where I had a 8 inch clearance as well. I could fit the msx 200 and the WM S200 but that was it. any larger and I hadto go from the side. Which was a lot of work.
Out of those three I would choose the BK mini 200 Prefer the gen 2 model. THe newest one.
A couple other options I would suggest I dont think will fit. Like the alpha 250 and the ATB 1050. But another one that will fit the bill would be the warner marine AS 200. It moves a lot of water and pulls around 1000lph of air. the footprint I think is around 10 by 16.5 . If the budget isnt quiet an issue I really like the BK skimmers. You can pretty much take every piece apart on it to clean as well. What are these now around $1100. THe g3 was a good skimmer back in the day. And it will work. But it just doesnt pull the air and water the other options will.

mojo~
04/13/2009, 10:02 AM
I think the BK mini 200 is around 9 inches though might want to take a look and see if it will fit. if not then the WM as 200 would be my next choice.
If you dont like that one for whatever reason. the only other options I would consider are going to use larger pumps as they are becket or injector type. Like the bermuda bps 5c. Your opening is what is limiting you. the bermuda, the etss sumpbuddy 60, and maybe even the MRC ocean force 300 would be a couple others to look at.
Mojo~

Tracey2
04/13/2009, 10:25 AM
I looked at the bkmini used so I'm not sure it would be the new model, it said bkmini200 with Red Dragon 1000 pump, how do I know if its gen 2? Its $900CAD used 9x9base. It looks solid and easy to clean. If I measure up from the top of the sump to the underside of the stand it measures 11" and my sump sits back in stand 2" but the top of sump to the bottom of door entrance is 8". I would make a cardboard copy of K2 to see it it would fit if you can tell me exactly the size of the bottom of cone to the top of cone.

mojo~
04/13/2009, 10:58 AM
i dont have one here to measure . As Jon in the Warner Marine Sponsor forum. But the base is 10.5 inches I believe.

Tracey2
04/13/2009, 11:15 AM
Ok, the bubbleking is the gen1 for 900cad including tax or they also havea new gen2 for 1200 plus tax. Is the new one worth it?

Buganddoug
04/16/2009, 01:38 PM
My DIY sump . My new Warner Marine K-2 protein skimmer and the new MR-100 Media Reactor. I got the first on from Warner Marine. Hope you like the photos
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/134592Dec-2008_Jan_2009_284__Small_.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/134592Dec-2008_Jan_2009_285__Small_.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/134592Dec-2008_Jan_2009_289__Small_.jpg

vanillagorila
04/16/2009, 02:24 PM
that looks nice. lots of foam! how do you like it so far?

Buganddoug
04/16/2009, 02:30 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14838916#post14838916 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vanillagorila
that looks nice. lots of foam!
How is your K-2 going?

vanillagorila
04/16/2009, 02:34 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14838941#post14838941 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Buganddoug
How is your K-2 going?
great, its been breaking in nicely. last Sat. I found a little baby banggai in my sump. so I've been feeding him a lot, which kills the foam head.
but other than that its been great.

Tracey2
04/16/2009, 06:18 PM
Can the K2 run externally?

Buganddoug
04/16/2009, 06:25 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14840401#post14840401 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Can the K2 run externally?
NO. Sorry

Tracey2
04/16/2009, 06:43 PM
Has anyone here run the WM RX200 externally? Any good?

Buganddoug
04/16/2009, 06:53 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14840589#post14840589 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Has anyone here run the WM RX200 externally? Any good?
The Warner Marine R-Series of Protein Skimmers
The R-Series Protein Skimmers are external, recirculating designed models designed for use outside of a sump, adjacent to the aquarium.

Tracey2
04/16/2009, 07:02 PM
Right, do you know of any problems running a skimmer externally? Is this a good external skimmer?

mojo~
04/16/2009, 07:57 PM
yes it is a great external skimmer. Uses the same pump as the other wm 200 series skimmers. Pullins in about 1000 lph of air and a good amount of water to boot. Nice unit. I have only ran one skimmer external. THe das ex1 like the deltec apf600. I am just not a fan of running them external if I dont have too. Great product though.
Mojo~

Tracey2
04/16/2009, 08:10 PM
That was my other option to run externally (unfortunetly I have to) the Deltec APF600, which one is better the WM or the Deltec?

kaserpick
04/16/2009, 08:21 PM
Hey Mojo~,

I'm going to be running a 100g SPS/Clam tank in the next few weeks, and I want a skimmer that will be a little oversized for it (since I'll be dosing bacteria). I was thinking the MSX-200. Do you think this skimmer will do the trick? Thanks for the advice! :D

mojo~
04/16/2009, 10:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14841283#post14841283 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
That was my other option to run externally (unfortunetly I have to) the Deltec APF600, which one is better the WM or the Deltec?

I would go with the warner marine .for the $$ it will handle a much larger load. IT uses a larger pump and pulls3x more air and probably 2x more water.

tyler_hamilton
04/16/2009, 10:06 PM
I'm switching skimmers for my 75 reef, and i dont know what to get what would be the best skimmer for me?

mojo~
04/16/2009, 10:09 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14841352#post14841352 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kaserpick
Hey Mojo~,

I'm going to be running a 100g SPS/Clam tank in the next few weeks, and I want a skimmer that will be a little oversized for it (since I'll be dosing bacteria). I was thinking the MSX-200. Do you think this skimmer will do the trick? Thanks for the advice! :D

The msx 200 is a nice choice. THe only downside to the msx / octo x is sometime the pump starts in the wrong direction. Not a huge issue if you dont turn it on and off everyday. But overall a good choice for that size system.
other choices would be the vertex in180 and the mrc ocean force 200 for around the same price range. for a little more the warner marine as 150 would be a good fit too. So I hope that this helps. good luck. Mojo~

kaserpick
04/17/2009, 08:51 AM
Thanks Mojo! :D

Tracey2
04/17/2009, 09:32 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14842096#post14842096 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
I would go with the warner marine .for the $$ it will handle a much larger load. IT uses a larger pump and pulls3x more air and probably 2x more water.

Thanks, I am picking it up tomorrow.

mojo~
04/17/2009, 09:41 AM
thats great. You will have to post some pics. Would like to see how you et it all setup.

Mojo~

Crypsis
04/17/2009, 10:07 AM
I'm planning on moving up to a 120g heavy bioload SPS tank and would like some help picking out a good skimmer.

The skimmers I'm researching are the: BK Supermarine 200, Alpha 250, ATB 840 and maybe the WM K-1.


Has anyone got a hold of the Alpha 250 yet?

billyr
04/17/2009, 10:08 AM
I'm having an odd problem with my new Octopus extreme 200.
I built a new acrylic sump to maintain a constant water level.
I've done this for awhile, so setup was no problem for me!
I set up the new sump and skimmer about two weeks ago. let it run not expecting much at first, I was getting a wetish skimmate at first having to empty cup about every 2 to 3 days, Perfect! Then about a week after setup while watching TV the aquarium suddenly sounded different! I opened the cabinet door to find the skimmer going bezerk! The skimmer was overflowing wildly! The entire sump was full almost to the top with foam! My thought was OK the skimmer's broken in now! I turned the water level down in the skimmer, let it settle down and re adjusted it. Then over the next few days I was getting a nice dark thicker skimmate, Perfect! Then yesterday morning just after lights came on I checked skimmer, cup about half full,....ah I'll just clean that out later, I'm off today! Then later again watching cartoons...er...the news :) The skimmer went nut's again dumping all that was collected back in the water!! now I've cut the skimmer back some more, but it's not going to pull as much skimmate! Any suggestions I'm assuming It's going to hapen again!

GSMguy
04/17/2009, 10:15 AM
Sounds like an enviromental issue.

Are you smoking around the tank? Scented candles? Oust, Lysol, paint, smoke from the oven?

billyr
04/17/2009, 11:20 AM
Really! I thought you were kidding at first!
No. I don't smoke, I don't allow any sprays or cleaners in that room, Family knows! Only I clean in there!
None of what you asked was happening. House has two central AC units one upstairs one down. Also a window unit in room with aquarium to control temp and humidity. I can tell you I think the old skimmer may have been doing the same thing just no as bad.
It never seemed to have the cup runith over look to it, there would be just more skimmate every day.
How would those things affect it?

mojo~
04/17/2009, 05:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14844550#post14844550 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
Sounds like an enviromental issue.

Are you smoking around the tank? Scented candles? Oust, Lysol, paint, smoke from the oven?

I agree something is causing this. Something in top pff water or a scent or something.

cpllongjk
04/17/2009, 06:09 PM
mojo did you get the alpha yet? Im suprised that its taking this long to get people their cones from BK. I would have thought that they would be in by now.

If you were to compare the bk mini 160 vs the atb econo 840, what would you say is better in skimmate production per day. Note about density and quantity please. Also if you were to assign a value to "betterness" what would it be? 10%. Personally I dont think the cone skimmers will be much better than 10-15% over standard skimmers. Given that the skimmers use identical pumps and draw the same airflow. But Im looking for someone with experience in the issue.

mojo~
04/17/2009, 06:25 PM
I think a gentle flow to the neck is helpful. But how far do you go. Look at the warner marine cylinder skimer line. They have a nice long transition. Hurricone skimmers have a little longer than that. But to do all cone is still up in the air. The density of the skimmate from the ATB was really dark thick sticky sludge. Now to compare taht to per say the vertex in 100. it skimmed well. but the skimmate was not as dark and thick as the atb. I set them up to run as close I can. It think the bk mini 160 and the atb 840 run really close to the same.
The difference in my opinion.
the BK is about $80 more. it has thicker material and is amazing.
The ATB skims as well but its not quite as thick of material. Not a issue as they are both built very well. The ATB will hold its own agains any skimmer for sure. But none of the skimmers were as good as the bk. With that being said. when spending that much to begin with why not spend another $80. I really like the ATB 840. ITs quiet and well built. You are paying more for the cone design where as the BK you ae paying for BK build quality and the red dragon pump. its really a toss up. Both use pvc and acrylic. So sorry i dont just say buy this one. But I think its a matter of preference. Cones are in right now. And well you can skim just as well without a cone I think. You just need the right balance of pump, air, water, and desgin. Some do it with a cone some do it with a cylinder. IT just so happens most cones have had more technology put into them and more thought.

Mojo~

Waterobert
04/17/2009, 06:42 PM
Mojo sounds like you are not entirely sold on the cone. You like ATB 840 but not as much as BK. Is it just the built quality or skimmate quality?

mojo~
04/17/2009, 10:13 PM
I like them both. Its like the difference between a mercedes and a Bentley both are awesome cars but the bentley is a little more money and the leather on the seats is a little nicer.
Build quality on both is great. The material on the BK is a little thicker. I like the heavier feel of a skimmer. Skimmate on these two I would say was the same. I hope this is helpful.
Mojo~

cpllongjk
04/17/2009, 10:51 PM
From what Ive seen, the BK Supermarin 200 looks good too. Im really impressed with the pump on the supermarin skimmer. I think for the extra few hundred that might be a better alternative to the bk cone. Im really looking forward to your review of the bk cone.

Crypsis
04/18/2009, 12:52 AM
What a tough choice I want all of them.

H.Veras
04/18/2009, 01:51 AM
hey mojo i'm building a 90g tech-s. sps and some fish's.... i'm between a vertex 180, asm or deltec.

mojo~
04/18/2009, 07:21 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14849433#post14849433 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Crypsis
What a tough choice I want all of them.

Lol, Me too!!!

mojo~
04/18/2009, 07:26 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14849548#post14849548 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H.Veras
hey mojo i'm building a 90g tech-s. sps and some fish's.... i'm between a vertex 180, asm or deltec.

You know there was a time that I would of of said deltec all the way. But honestly between those three I would go withthe vertex in 180. I might actually see about trying hte 180 on my 90G tank. I am going to the INDMAS Frag show today and maybe I can win one. lol. Wouldnt that be funny if of all things I could win in a raffle I Won a skimmer. LOL well just going to support other clubs. Meet the people from Premium and well have a good time.
Everyone have a good day and I ll be back tonight. I have another little review to do tonight.
Also Alpha cone lovers. THe truck got help back till monday. I ll have the alpha tuesday or wednesday. justa little FYI for you all.
Mojo~

billyr
04/18/2009, 12:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14847126#post14847126 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
I agree something is causing this. Something in top pff water or a scent or something.

The top off water comes directly from an RO unit mounted in the garage through a 1/4 tube that goes up to the attic between two floors across two rooms down through the wall to a float in the sump.

Once in the sump the top off water can't get to the skimmer without first going through the aquarium!

How can a scent or smell cause this?

mojo~
04/18/2009, 08:11 PM
ITs weird how it can. But it pulls the sent in the air that the skimmer draws in. creating a reaction with the water and the scented air. It does it really bad if you ever paint in the house.

Tracey2
04/18/2009, 08:21 PM
I finally found a store that was kind enough to help me find a skimmer that will fit in the sump. I went to pickup the external WMRX200 but it was cracked so I came home with the ATB840. Anyhow my question is what is the allen key for and how much water does it like to sit in?

mojo~
04/18/2009, 09:23 PM
Run it in 6 to 8 inches. I ran mine in about 6.5 inches of water.
You got a great skimmer. THe allen wrench is for the volute cover. It has two sets screws that help hold it in place. So if you ever want to remove it you have the tool to do so. THe silicone lube is for the collection cup o ring. Great choice either way. Congrats on your purchase.
Mojo~

Tracey2
04/18/2009, 09:55 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14853886#post14853886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Run it in 6 to 8 inches. I ran mine in about 6.5 inches of water.
You got a great skimmer. THe allen wrench is for the volute cover. It has two sets screws that help hold it in place. So if you ever want to remove it you have the tool to do so. THe silicone lube is for the collection cup o ring. Great choice either way. Congrats on your purchase.
Mojo~

Thanks so much for your help, can you also tell me where to set the water level?

sundancer
04/18/2009, 10:21 PM
Sorry for butting in but here's a new question: What is the difference between the quality of air being drawn in by a venturi vs. air being pumped in by means of a dedicated air pump like a Danner pond pump? For instance if I hook up an air pump to the venturi intake line can I increase fine bubble production or will I just make a bunch of gurgling noises?

mojo~
04/19/2009, 08:30 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14854042#post14854042 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
Thanks so much for your help, can you also tell me where to set the water level?
Well I ran mine just below the neck of the skimmer give or tank a little. start about a inch below the neck and see how you like that and go from there. should be a pretty good starting point.

mojo~
04/19/2009, 08:37 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14854173#post14854173 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sundancer
Sorry for butting in but here's a new question: What is the difference between the quality of air being drawn in by a venturi vs. air being pumped in by means of a dedicated air pump like a Danner pond pump? For instance if I hook up an air pump to the venturi intake line can I increase fine bubble production or will I just make a bunch of gurgling noises?

Well, you have to be careful that you dont push in to much air. When you let the pump pull it in through a venturi it will pull what it can. You can cavitate the pump if you are not careful and you can push more than the skimmer can handle. ITs not a good practice to do this on the pump. the old school way of skimming used air pumps and air stones. :)

Tracey2
04/19/2009, 08:43 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14855373#post14855373 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Well I ran mine just below the neck of the skimmer give or tank a little. start about a inch below the neck and see how you like that and go from there. should be a pretty good starting point.

Sorry, this is my first skimmer. An inch below the bottom of the neck? I had the bubbles all the way up in the cup area of the neck. When you empty the cup, do you shut off the skimmer or is it ok that the water spills out of the base into the sump? Thanks for your help

GSMguy
04/19/2009, 09:14 AM
scented candles are OUTLAWED in my house, same with Scented detergents and fabric softener.

if you fart near your tank that fart will bond with your tank, if you can smell it near your tank its in the water...

your nose works by sensing particles of something attached to the air, those particles all go into the tank, sometimes whats in the air can affect skimmer performance.

my tank is only 15 feet from my kitchen and when the oven smokes my skimmer shuts down..

mojo~
04/19/2009, 09:30 AM
tracey now water levels and bubble breaking level are different. you can see as it breaks in the water level. THe bubbles will build on top. But I set the water level starting an inch below the neck. The bubbles will be breaking higher than that. as it starts to kick in the foam will build and overflow into the cup. But make very slight adjustments to the skimmer when you make them. If this is your first skimmer then you are ruined for life. lol. There isnt much room for improvement. WEll good luck and if ytou have any questions feel free to ask.

GSMguy
04/19/2009, 09:33 AM
using the large pinwheel there is no way to tell where the water ends and foam begins, i only have the bubble break line to work with.

are you still running the small wheel Mojo?

Tracey2
04/19/2009, 09:44 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14855610#post14855610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
tracey now water levels and bubble breaking level are different. you can see as it breaks in the water level. THe bubbles will build on top. But I set the water level starting an inch below the neck. The bubbles will be breaking higher than that. as it starts to kick in the foam will build and overflow into the cup. But make very slight adjustments to the skimmer when you make them. If this is your first skimmer then you are ruined for life. lol. There isnt much room for improvement. WEll good luck and if ytou have any questions feel free to ask.

Thanks

GSMguy
04/19/2009, 09:53 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14855373#post14855373 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mojo~
Well I ran mine just below the neck of the skimmer give or tank a little. start about a inch below the neck and see how you like that and go from there. should be a pretty good starting point.

i run mine at the base of the collection cup or higher.

start by setting it just below the base of the cup and go from there.

Tracey2
04/19/2009, 11:14 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14855696#post14855696 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
i run mine at the base of the collection cup or higher.

start by setting it just below the base of the cup and go from there.

How do you avoid the dirty foamy stuff from getting into the sump when you empty cup.

GSMguy
04/19/2009, 11:35 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14856120#post14856120 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tracey2
How do you avoid the dirty foamy stuff from getting into the sump when you empty cup.

I open the wedge pipe all the way, when I replace the cup I close it slowly over a minute or 2 usually It starts skimming right away after cleaning.

billyr
04/20/2009, 06:58 AM
OK, Skimmer freaked out again!
This time at 2:23 am! I fell asleep on the couch watching TV (wife turned TV off) At 2:23 am I woke up to the hissing sound that the top off system makes when it's adding a lot of water!
It was foaming like crazy! but I got to it before it dumped every thing back in the water and just unpugged it and went to bed!
This morning I dumped collection cup and plugged it back in and it went nuts right away, so I turned it down about 1/8 turn. Now it has the right look to it. The foam is really frothy looking. The pump does not seem as loud! I wonder if the pump is just breaking in?
I need to settle down and wait! Skimmer is brand new. I know the rules!
"Nothing good happens fast in saltwater"

mojo~
04/20/2009, 07:49 AM
leave it wide open for a couple days and see if it stays stable there.

billyr
04/20/2009, 09:04 AM
I've cut it back a couple of times now. I Keep thinking OK I've got it this time!
I'm at work now so I have the wife at home checking on it!
"That's the bubbling thingy right?"
It's going to be a long day! :)

GSMguy
04/20/2009, 09:50 AM
I heard it takes at least a month before the octo/max skimmers are fully broken in, I know it takes at least a week to break in a new pinwheel on my allready broken in sicce powered skimmer.

Skim dry for another couple weeks.

mojo~
04/20/2009, 10:38 AM
yea skim dry for awhile until you are comfortable with it. I agree with csmguy

billyr
04/20/2009, 11:28 AM
Thanks guys!
Must...........resist..............tinkering.......!

vanillagorila
04/20/2009, 06:36 PM
My K-2 at 48hrs. its been up and running for a little over a week. still breaking in.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x71/vanillagorila/IMG_2088.jpg

Buganddoug
04/20/2009, 07:32 PM
vanillagorila looking good

Jmatt567
04/21/2009, 03:17 PM
What would you recommend for a HOB skimmer for a 75? I don't really have room for a sump so I would prefer to go HOB. What is your preference among these skimmers? Right now the tank is lightly stocked but will be medium - heavy stocked down the road.

Buganddoug
04/21/2009, 03:56 PM
I say you can not go wrong with H2X from WM. It only uses 18 watts to run it.
http://www.warnermarine.com/Skimmers/

mojo~
04/21/2009, 04:15 PM
the h2x is a nice unit, the bermuda rogue is a nice HOB as well.

Jmatt567
04/21/2009, 04:39 PM
Those are nice skimmers. Thanks guys. There is also a used Deltec MCE600 for sale in the used equipment forum. It is about the same price. Would you buy the Deltec used over one of those new?

-Matt

Jmatt567
04/21/2009, 04:50 PM
Also, what about this one?

Octopus BH-800S (http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34_398_436&products_id=3352)

-Matt

mojo~
04/21/2009, 04:51 PM
the deltec is a good hob too.

bluetang_2000
04/21/2009, 05:21 PM
i have a 120g sps tank with 30g sump, and possibly a 40g frag tank in the future. Would you recommend the warner k2 or the atb econo 840. right now, I am running a msx200 with pinwheel. Any improvement if I switch to the atb large pin wheel? Thanks

mojo~
04/21/2009, 05:42 PM
You would gain a little air and water. Not really enough to justify the cost. Why do you want to upgrade. Are there things you dont like about the msx 200? the two skimmer mentioned are great. And will be more efficient in producing skimate. The k2 has a gate valve and will pull a little more air on a larger skimmer body. The ATB has a custom volute on the pump that I really like and the skimmer runs really well too. Its kinda like the old battle of camaro vs a mustang. They are not the same although they have a lot of the same things to offer.
Cone shape
sicce based pump
great customer service from them both.

The ATB I feel runs just a little more quiet. Not that the K2 is loud at all. I am being really picky in saying these things so dont go off on a tangent. The K2 is made of all acrylic and uses a gate valve. Has a stepless neck and bubble ring. All things that are new and only on the WM series skimmer. The ATB uses acrylic and pvc and a wedge pipe.
The atb is pulling about 700 lph of air where the K2 is about 900. Does that mean it skims better. no, its just means it is balanced for the size of the cone and the neck of the skimmer. Everone wants me to always say which one is better. And again it just a a matter of preference. room in sump what design you think is better ect... I really like them both.

okkiedokki
04/21/2009, 09:40 PM
I'm setting up a 90g with a 100g rubbermaid sump in my basement. I'm going to have a medium stocking of fish, and heavy on lps. I don't even know where to start looking at skimmers but I know my budget was set to $250, what would you guys recommend me to look at?

gooyferret
04/21/2009, 10:44 PM
I currently have a AquaC Urchin Pro with a Mag 3 for a pump. My setup is currently at 125gal and 30gal sump. The skimmer is rated for 120gallons is this enough skimmer for the tank? I have about 150lbs of LR in the tank and about 3in sandbed. My friend josh is telling me i should upgrade what do you think?

mojo~
04/21/2009, 11:23 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14873137#post14873137 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by okkiedokki
I'm setting up a 90g with a 100g rubbermaid sump in my basement. I'm going to have a medium stocking of fish, and heavy on lps. I don't even know where to start looking at skimmers but I know my budget was set to $250, what would you guys recommend me to look at?

Look for a used msx 200 or octo extreme. Or if you could find a vertex in 180 used you would be good to go.

gooyferret
04/21/2009, 11:30 PM
mojo what would you recommend for a skimmer? from my prev. post on here?

mojo~
04/21/2009, 11:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14873553#post14873553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gooyferret
I currently have a AquaC Urchin Pro with a Mag 3 for a pump. My setup is currently at 125gal and 30gal sump. The skimmer is rated for 120gallons is this enough skimmer for the tank? I have about 150lbs of LR in the tank and about 3in sandbed. My friend josh is telling me i should upgrade what do you think?

I think you could do better. THe urchin is a good small footprint skimmer but just not up to par with what else is out there anymore. just let me know what kinda budget you have and your stock and ill see if I can suggest some things.

gooyferret
04/21/2009, 11:40 PM
well not really set on a budget just wanna make sure i have a good quality skimmer! I can sell my urchin to recoup some of the new ones cost. I have heard from numberous people that the urchin pro is supose to handle 120gal reef fully loaded you think thats true? I would like to keep the skimmer in or around $300 area.

mojo~
04/21/2009, 11:54 PM
I would suggest a vertex IN 180 or a msx 200 for your setup in your price range.

gooyferret
04/22/2009, 12:15 AM
Hmm dont find really any of those skimmers on ebay at all!? haha trying to see if theres cheaper places to buy them.. Do you know which has been rated the best?

mojo~
04/22/2009, 09:59 AM
Who would rate them? Other than myself and those retailers who sell them. I dont know anyone else who has put forth the $$ and time to evaluate them all.
I dont think there is a top ten list sort of speak. When I get some more time I will do my best to maybe bunch some together. What I would suggest for tank size and loads, budget as well. I have some ideas of what I am going to do. But I need to get through this semester at school as well. Work full time, father of a 11 and 12 yr old, school to finish my degree. I stay pretty busy.lol

Mojo~

gooyferret
04/22/2009, 10:11 AM
Is $300 not enough to buy a quality skimmer? My friend Josh has never even heard of MSX or Vertex?? I was looking at MSX and searching the web and seen some videos on youtube, and some people saying they work awesome on forums.....Just looking for more info before i make a big purchase!? Thanks

kv2wr1
04/22/2009, 10:23 AM
Can you reccomend me a skimmer for my 24 gallon Aquapod HQI?

I'm debating between a Tunze 9002 nano doc and a saphire ap24 skimmer.

If you can recommend one of these over the other or tell me about another skimmer to try, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Eric

LouPhoenix
04/22/2009, 02:50 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14871033#post14871033 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jmatt567
Those are nice skimmers. Thanks guys. There is also a used Deltec MCE600 for sale in the used equipment forum. It is about the same price. Would you buy the Deltec used over one of those new?

-Matt

I will never use another HOB other than my Deltec MCE600. I've owned a bakpak and a remora before it and they're like fisher price toys compared to it. I have it on a 65 gallon mixed and it pulls out green pea soup like a champ. I have to clean out the collection cup every 2 to 3 days because the gunk is so thick. I also like the fact that the pump resides inside the skimmer, so there's very little intrusion into the display tank. The media chamber is a nice feature too. I run Purigen on mine and my SPS are very happy. It is worth every over-priced penny, imho.

rguyler
04/24/2009, 10:48 AM
Mojo, do you have any experience with the Vertex IN-280? I'm trying to choose between it and an MSX-250 but finding it difficult to get much info on the Vertex pump and pinwheel combo they provide.

The dual-pump MSX looks like the better producer of the two on the surface but that could be deceiving. Thoughts?

BTW - Thanks for being such a fantastic resource on RC! We all appreciate your time, effort and financial contributions so we can make better buying decisions for ourselves.

Mr_Harry
04/24/2009, 12:39 PM
I have the MSK-250 on my 180 and it really works well.

I had a deltec MCE600 on my old smaller tank and it worked great
(I still have the MCE sitting in my fish room in the basement).


Coming from the Deltec to the MSX I had pretty
big performance expectations for the MSX.

The MSX250 works extremely well for me.

rguyler
04/24/2009, 02:26 PM
And I agree...the MSX owners have nearly nothing but good to say about them. The one gotcha I run into in the complaint department is what Mojo pointed out...the pump with the mesh mod. Those Sicce pumps just seem to be a bit cranky at times. I've been pretty much set on getting the MSX but still wanted to compare the two since the price point on both is as good as it gets.

Thanks for voicing your experience Harry.

mojo~
04/24/2009, 03:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14875578#post14875578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kv2wr1
Can you reccomend me a skimmer for my 24 gallon Aquapod HQI?

I'm debating between a Tunze 9002 nano doc and a saphire ap24 skimmer.

If you can recommend one of these over the other or tell me about another skimmer to try, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Eric
I have not run the Tunze myself but a friend has and It is a nicer unit in m opinion over the saphire. The saphire skimmer isnt bad by anymeans but just not in the same league as the Tunze I dont think. If I had to pick one. THe Tunze would be my first choice. Now the saphire isnt bad. The only one I really didnt like was the cpr sr3. noisey and well a waste of time for me.
Mojo~

mojo~
04/24/2009, 03:21 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14889172#post14889172 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rguyler
Mojo, do you have any experience with the Vertex IN-280? I'm trying to choose between it and an MSX-250 but finding it difficult to get much info on the Vertex pump and pinwheel combo they provide.

The dual-pump MSX looks like the better producer of the two on the surface but that could be deceiving. Thoughts?

BTW - Thanks for being such a fantastic resource on RC! We all appreciate your time, effort and financial contributions so we can make better buying decisions for ourselves.

You know they are both great choices. Its a matter of prefference really. only larger pump or two smaller ones. The resun pumps are basically ssedra knockoffs in my opinion. They work well. THey had some issues on some in hte beginning but mostly on the 100's. This has been taken care of as far as I know. THe 280 is simply a beast of a skimmer. If you get the msx 250 I would run the pinwheels. They are both really nice skimmers for the money. You would be happy with either one. I do like the longer neck on the Vertex over teh msx. But the MSX uses a better know sicce pump that has more options for upgrades. Both great products. Everyday I grow more and more a fan of vertex items. I have a Vertex RO unit Ill post some pics of here really soon too. But I have also owned a couple msx and octo X skimmers. And I wwould not hesitate putting one on my system at all. Good bang for the buck.

rguyler
04/24/2009, 07:12 PM
Thanks for your input Mojo. I also like the fact with the MSX that if one of the pumps go out then maybe the skimmer could at least limp by until the other was fixed or replaced. Plus I live 30 minutes away from Marine Solutions. ;-)

mojo~
04/24/2009, 09:54 PM
30 min away would be a desciding factor for me as well. If you can get great service in person then I am sure I would get the same one. THey are great guys there. I have talked to them many times. Mostly before they were sponsor here on RC. Never less they always took care of any issues I had.

sjm817
04/24/2009, 10:02 PM
rguyler
I've worked quite a bit with Jeff and Rob over at Marine Solutions (over the phone) and they are great. Great support, and nice friendly people. If they are local to you, that is a real plus. The MSX250 with the supplied pinwheels works very well. You dont need to mess with the mesh unless you want to.

mojo~
04/24/2009, 10:19 PM
I agree

joncat24
04/24/2009, 10:28 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14891972#post14891972 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rguyler
Thanks for your input Mojo. I also like the fact with the MSX that if one of the pumps go out then maybe the skimmer could at least limp by until the other was fixed or replaced. Plus I live 30 minutes away from Marine Solutions. ;-)

They are open from noon to 5 on Saturdays....trip up there and toalk to Joe and Jeff and they will hook you right up. Great guys to work with. I was up there tonight and Rob was there.....another great guy......they will take care of ya.

gooyferret
04/27/2009, 07:19 PM
I have seen nothing but good things about the MSX skimmers! in alot of forums and other places i think that will be the skimmer i go with unless something better comes out in the same price range. I have heard that ASM's are also pretty good but some mods are necessary. Are the MSX a somewhat "upgrade" to them?

mojo~
04/27/2009, 07:29 PM
I would get a warner marine over a ASM any day. price isnt that much more and the skimmer is built much better and skims the pants off a asm. Same with a MSX. MSX is far above the asm in regards to performance as well.

Nap
04/28/2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks for all the effort Mojo. There really hasn't been enough done with skimmers (especially considering how important they are to our tanks).

I am running a heavily stocked 120 with a 30g sump (sps,lps, and softies). I am ashamed to admit I am still runnning a 6 year old euroreef that hasn't even been mesh-modded. I know I need a new skimmer but I have been unsure of which to go with. Assuming I had more to spend than $300 but I didn't want to go as high as $700 is there something that is better than the msx200/vertex IN180/Octo extreme?

Thanks

-Ian

tdawgnjlo
04/28/2009, 12:48 PM
Mojo,

In prior response, what model of Warner Marine Skimmer are you suggesting, AS200?

I gather from reading this thread that you are very high on recommending MSX. If I have an opportunity to pick up a used AS200 Warner Marine skimmer for a 180 gallon tank, is that considered a good option, or would you opt for ATB, Bubble Kind, MSX, Octo to ensure good foundation for 180 gallon tank with heavy fish load and SPS?

mojo~
04/28/2009, 02:16 PM
The AS 200 in my opinion is a better skimmer for than the msx 200. It cycles way more water is is built like a tank. The AS 200 is one of the better skimmers on the market. It just doest get the hype as it falls between the price range of the High end skimmers and hte lower end items.

mojo~
04/28/2009, 02:21 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14912459#post14912459 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nap
Thanks for all the effort Mojo. There really hasn't been enough done with skimmers (especially considering how important they are to our tanks).

I am running a heavily stocked 120 with a 30g sump (sps,lps, and softies). I am ashamed to admit I am still runnning a 6 year old euroreef that hasn't even been mesh-modded. I know I need a new skimmer but I have been unsure of which to go with. Assuming I had more to spend than $300 but I didn't want to go as high as $700 is there something that is better than the msx200/vertex IN180/Octo extreme?

Thanks

-Ian

Nothing wrong with your euroreef. Not sure what size ou have. With your budget my first choice would be a Warner MArine AS200. It uses a sedra 9000HO pump moves a good amount over water and pulls about 1000lph of air.
2nd would be the Vertex IN 180 then the MSX 200.
IS the WM worth the extra $$ over the other two. Well To be honest. For the service I get with Jon Warner himself. I would pick up the AS200 If I could swing the extra $$ . The other two will skim very well for you also but dont have a few option I like in the WM line. The twist lock neck is a nice feature as well as it comes with a gate valve and thicker acylic. The Sedra pump does a great job and is a beast of a skimmer.
Mojo~

Nap
04/28/2009, 02:44 PM
My euroreef is an old 8-2 and is still running on the original pump! After all these years it just can't handle the system (was originally bought for my old 100g system). It takes a couple of weeks before I come close to filling the cup and I think it just needs to be put out to pasture.

My sump has 12x17 of room which is cutting it close for the Warner. I could probably do it if that AS200 is worth it. Otherwise it sounds like the IN180 would be a better choice. Is the Vertex anywhere near as quiet as the AS200? Does it come close on the water/air moved?

-Ian

mojo~
04/28/2009, 02:51 PM
THe vertex would be a good choice as well. But Long term I know I would prefer the AS 200. The vertex in 180 is a really nice unit as well. Its not quite the skimmer the AS 200 is but it is a solid performer. Its a euroreef with a bubble plate.lol. So you would be buying a new version of what you aleady have. The 180 will pull about 700 lph of air and less water compaired to the 1000lph of air and more water in the WM skimmer. Both would be good but if you want a upgrade go with the WM. The IN 180 will be an upgrade but as much I dont think. But if you only have $300 to play with the 180 or msx 200 would be the way to go.

gooyferret
04/28/2009, 02:53 PM
So Mojo is the Vertex or the MSX better in your opinion?

mojo~
04/28/2009, 02:58 PM
Well, I Like the msx but I have had the sicce pumps start up backwards before and want to overflow the cup. On a pinwheel I have found it to start backwards about 20% of the time. and since i shut it off twice a day to feed Its 20% more than I like. However teh msx 200 pulls more air and you might see a little better performance. The Vertex uses a nice gentle trasition to the neck. For me this allows one to skim more how they want. Wet or dry.
If I had to buy one off the 2 for my system right now. I would most likely get the vertex in 180.

Mojo~

gooyferret
04/28/2009, 03:03 PM
Is there any mods that need to be done to make it perform better or is it good to go out of the box? Also does it matter if I would buy the Vertex 250 instead of the 180 even though my tank is 125 with 40gal sump?

mojo~
04/28/2009, 03:06 PM
the 250 is way taller skimmer. I would just get the 180 and plug it in.

Nap
04/28/2009, 03:16 PM
Considering the size of the AS200 is there any reason I wouldn't consider a K2? The k2 is listed at $799 and the as200 is $699 so it's not *that* much more.

What about the Vertex Alpha cone skimmers? Are they worth considering?

One last question...What is the Vertex IN280 like? It's only 24" tall so I'm sure it's quite a fatty.

Thanks!

-Ian

gooyferret
04/28/2009, 03:17 PM
Oh man i didnt even see that I wouldnt even fit that for height and I have a 36" tall stand! haha good catch on that! :)

mojo~
04/28/2009, 03:21 PM
Nap the K2 uses a sicce pump and will work well of course. But it isnt going to move the water like the AS 200 will. If you contact Jon Warner he had a Demo AS200 for around $525 I thought.

The Vertex in 280 is 10 inch body I believe. Fat squatty skimmer

yeldarbj
04/28/2009, 03:22 PM
I asked Jon Warner about K-2 and the AS-200. He pretty much said the AS-200 is a brute force skimmer - powerful pump and flows a lot of water. The K-2 is just more efficient, less water flow, less power required but apparently great skimming.

I'm pretty much considering the same ones for a future 120g + sump I think the Alpha 170 & 200 are definite considerations - especially when we finally hear the specs. I haven't ruled out the ATB Econo 840 either. It's owners also seem to think it's a perfect fit for that sized tank.

mojo~
04/28/2009, 03:42 PM
Alot of people will say that as well. I think the 840 is a good little skimmer for up to 125g or so. After that I would get something that moves more water. I know I could be slammed for saying that but hey its my opinion.

And well to be quite honest. I get just about as good results skimming with a Cylinder skimmer as I do with a cone. AS I have said many times its all about a balance. Needs to be a well thought out design. Out of however man skimmers I have run over the years. You all want to know what I am running on my tank at home with great results?
A Warner marine S150. Been on there a couple weeks now. No bubble plate just a simple sedra 7000 pulling about 600lph. I think the bubble plate version works a little better but it is what it is. A simple design that works.
Are your corals going to grow faster and look better if only have a good skimmer over the best your money can buy. Man its hard to say. I like many skimmers all for different reasons. So when someone asks what should I get? it just depends on what they are looking for. Myself. I really prefer a gate valve over a wedge pipe. but thats me. Someone else might like the pipe better. However the bubbleking wedgepipe I like as it works smoothly and I can adjust it with ease. Some of them take some force and are harder to fine tune. With all the skimmers out there and all I have owned an seen. I dont get much "wow" factor out of them anymore.
Cones are just hot in the market now. I like the cones but others work just as well.
I cant say too much about the alpha cones right now as the 250 is just too big to run on the system I compare all the others too. I may or may not be getting the Apha 170 to compare them too. I will have to wait and see. If I was spending my money on a skimmer for a 75 to 90g reef tank I would be looking at the following skimmers
MSX 200
Vertex in 180
Warner MArine AS150
Ocean force 200
ATB 840
BK mini Gen 2 180

For a 120 to 180 gallon tank I would consider the
Vertex in 180 or 280
Warner Marine AS200
BK super marin 200
BK mini 200 gen 2
ATB 1050
swc A cone
WM k2

For something like a 220
I would go with a Warner MArine AS 300
MSX 300
Vertex 280
Vertex alpha 250
BK super marin 250
ATB 1050 or a medium with the airstar.

Notice all the brands are pretty much the same. These are all in sump.
If you need small foot print the msx 160, ETSS Sumpbuddy 40 and the bermuda skimmers are nice options as well.
These are my suggestions for everyone. I know some will not like it but I can only give you my thoughts.
Notice the price difference on the skimmers in the same groups. It all depends on what you are looking for in a skimmer. Performance and ease of operation are two big factors for me.
I hope this helps


Mojo~

gooyferret
04/28/2009, 04:57 PM
I noticed in the 120-180 you dont recommend the MSX 200? Mojo your thoughts on that?

mojo~
04/28/2009, 05:17 PM
I missed it. It will work ok but its borderline for the msx 250. the 120 would be ok with the 200 but a 180 I would go with the 250 as you would benift from the added water turnover.

Mulgrave77
04/30/2009, 02:54 PM
Hey i had a quick question..(i hope) im going to be setting up a 180 gallon mixed reef. I have heard really good things about the msx 250 skimmers for my tank size. While i was looking up the skimmers on a web site i found the 300 for only 20 bucks more. Would that be a worthwhile investment or would it really skim way to much out of the water?

Heres a link to marinesolutions website.
MSX Skimmers (http://www.marinesolutionsinc.com/catalog/Protein-Skimmers-MSX-Skimmers/c22_48/index.html)

Thanks for the help!

mojo~
04/30/2009, 02:57 PM
The 250 will do fine. If you have the room the 300 is a bigger skimmer with the same pumps. I would just go with the 250 and run the pinwheels on it.

Mulgrave77
04/30/2009, 03:07 PM
Thanks for your input! Size isn't to much of a problem im going to refit my current 75g in to the sump. The only reason i was even wondering about the 300 was due to the fact it was only 20 bucks more and if it would help a lot with out removing to much it may be worth it. I really don't plan on over feeding to much but i rather be able to then underfeed.