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mcliffy2
04/03/2009, 01:06 PM
Just saw the announcement the new controller is being introduced at MAX, awesome!

It looks like it will have all the functionality of an ACIII with looks of the RKE...

Can we have more details? Estimated release? :)

alex93se
04/03/2009, 01:54 PM
Looks like it'll be around $500 to compete w/ the RKE. As long as it has a built-in web server like the ACIII(to use with the Iphone app) I'm all in!

mcliffy2
04/03/2009, 02:35 PM
Add to wish list - wireless communication with Vortechs WWD (maybe add on module), so it can make them enter feed mode, etc.

ah30k
04/03/2009, 03:09 PM
Why the assertion that the new model was needed to compete with the RKE? I thought the AQiii already competed (and beat) the RKE.

Left Coast DJ
04/03/2009, 04:34 PM
Pics or it never happened!

mcliffy2
04/03/2009, 04:59 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754970#post14754970 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
Why the assertion that the new model was needed to compete with the RKE? I thought the AQiii already competed (and beat) the RKE.

Competition in looks only - if they make no improvements in functionality, it will still be better functionally than an RKE.

ah30k
04/03/2009, 05:28 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14755438#post14755438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Left Coast DJ
Pics or it never happened! http://www.************.com/2009/04/03/apex-aquacontroller-from-neptune-systems/

aiko670
04/03/2009, 06:40 PM
looks sweet!

rckrzy1
04/05/2009, 01:26 AM
saw it today and it's the shiznitz. The ac3 was better than the RKE anyways, now Curt just went blowing by DA , holy smoke I want one.

chem-e
04/05/2009, 01:47 AM
I don't know what to make of it. The controller itself looks really similar to the RKE.

qfrisco
04/05/2009, 07:59 AM
Yep, and of course, I just got my AC3 two months ago. Sigh. :-)

kuyatwo
04/05/2009, 10:14 AM
tagging along

looking for any info on pre orders and timeline for this new unit rolling out

rckrzy1
04/05/2009, 08:48 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14764350#post14764350 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kuyatwo
tagging along

looking for any info on pre orders and timeline for this new unit rolling out

Supposed to be coming out next month according to Curt.

niko5
04/05/2009, 10:23 PM
VORTECH CONTROLS??????????????????????????????????


(please)

plantguy
04/05/2009, 11:32 PM
It's sweet guys, I think I left some drool marks on Curt's display at MAX. ;) Im sure he will post once he gets home. We are all pretty worn out after the weekend.

Eight
04/06/2009, 12:35 AM
I spoke to Curt about this at MAX. A couple of things caught my ear:

1) Current monitoring... the replacement power outlet adapter (the thing that replaces the DC8) can monitor the current draw of each of the sockets so it can actually tell if something is on or not.

2) Integrates the variable speed outputs of the aquasurf into the main unit so you don't need a separate aquasurf.

3) The new web server functionality is amazing. Very attractive color graphs that you can mouse over and see pinpoint reports in time or drag and zoom into a particular time range to drill down.

4) Very attractive unit with customizable icons/graphics.

5) Supports the regular Neptune programming language, but also include a new web wizard interface that lets you easily program the controller without learning the language if you so choose.

I was really impressed. Apparently preorder are going to start end of this month.

RussM
04/06/2009, 12:48 AM
I had the dual pleasures of seeing the APEX first hand at MAX today and chatting with Curt for a while.

Guys, prepare to get your socks blown off as all the details of this new controller come out! Neptune had really done a fine job in designing this product.

The model name is well-chosen:

apex (noun)
1: the uppermost point
2: the highest or culminating point

As a controller aficionado, & based on what I saw today, I think the current king of the high-tech controller mountain is about to be de-throned. ;)

ah30k
04/06/2009, 07:05 AM
I wonder if current draw is a simple on/off or if it will be able to measure the amps. Actual current draw would be sweet.

I also wonder if the ACiii could use the newer DC8 with the current monitoring?

kuyatwo
04/06/2009, 09:07 AM
i am stoked for this new controller and i never even saw it person i just hope it doesnt get delayed like reef keepr elite did

rckrzy1
04/06/2009, 09:10 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14769312#post14769312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
I wonder if current draw is a simple on/off or if it will be able to measure the amps. Actual current draw would be sweet.

I also wonder if the ACiii could use the newer DC8 with the current monitoring?

Yes actual current flow .

And No the new power bar wil not operate with the older ac3's, I asked. The new powerbar and proble controller are USB only.

rckrzy1
04/06/2009, 09:12 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14769889#post14769889 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kuyatwo
i am stoked for this new controller and i never even saw it person i just hope it doesnt get delayed like reef keepr elite did

Pampee I'll bring the handout to the meeting with a nice picture for you.

jimsflies
04/06/2009, 11:05 AM
Will the apex work with old DC-8's?

jimsflies
04/06/2009, 11:11 AM
I think the current king of the high-tech controller mountain is about to be de-throned. ;)

Who is the king of high tech controllers?....I thought it already was Neptune.

rsuplido
04/06/2009, 11:29 AM
What I want to know if the new web server features will be available to the AC3 via a firmware update.

kenargo
04/06/2009, 12:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14770623#post14770623 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimsflies
Will the apex work with old DC-8's?

Yes, the Apex controller will control the old X10 based devices.

rckrzy1
04/06/2009, 12:16 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14770769#post14770769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsuplido
What I want to know if the new web server features will be available to the AC3 via a firmware update.

RSL,XLM and the ability to do all the net setup via a browser.

jimsflies
04/06/2009, 01:21 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14771031#post14771031 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kenargo
Yes, the Apex controller will control the old X10 based devices.

The DC-8's are X-10 based?

niko5
04/06/2009, 01:40 PM
What about the Ecotech Vortech support did anyone ask?

ah30k
04/06/2009, 01:48 PM
I saw blog entries about another controller bickering with the Vortech maker about access to proprietary control interfaces. I forget which controller I read that about but it may explain the lack of any current controller being able to manage the Vortechs.

kuyatwo
04/06/2009, 03:08 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14771605#post14771605 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
I saw blog entries about another controller bickering with the Vortech maker about access to proprietary control interfaces. I forget which controller I read that about but it may explain the lack of any current controller being able to manage the Vortechs.

that was profilux i read that too on ************

qfrisco
04/06/2009, 03:19 PM
Hmmm....having just purchased an AC3 in February, I wonder if Neptune Sys will offer new owners an opportunity to upgrade for a discount? Curt? :-)

Mako
04/06/2009, 06:03 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14771040#post14771040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rckrzy1
RSL,XLM and the ability to do all the net setup via a browser. So this all must be part of the beta firmware update I have been hearing about? Any beta users wanna chime in here?

SEAREEF
04/06/2009, 09:21 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14772227#post14772227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by qfrisco
Hmmm....having just purchased an AC3 in February, I wonder if Neptune Sys will offer new owners an opportunity to upgrade for a discount? Curt? :-)

rsuplido
04/07/2009, 03:52 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14771040#post14771040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rckrzy1
RSL,XLM and the ability to do all the net setup via a browser.

I guess you mean RSS and XML. I wonder if there will be two forms -- a separate RSS feed and another XML feed format. RSS is actually in XML format.

Any info if it will also dish out data in JSON format?

Thanks.

RussM
04/07/2009, 09:17 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14776199#post14776199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rsuplido
I wonder if there will be two forms -- a separate RSS feed and another XML feed format.


Yes... I saw both. I didn't have a chance to thoroughly examine the raw structure of each, but at first glance it appeared to be well-formed.

I can't wait to get a chance to work with the XML data IRL so I can build support for the APEX into my Reeftronics Project (http://www.reeftronics.net) It's going to be nice to have a real XML data source to work with... working with the RSS feed output from certain other controller was a bit of a PITA; it took more text manipulation than I'd have liked.

ataylo13
04/07/2009, 10:28 AM
Tagging along

SirVilhelm
04/07/2009, 10:29 AM
Just wanted to chime in and say how absolutely amazing I thought this product was when I saw it at MAX.

I went to their booth wanting to get more info on the ACIII that I've been drooling over the last couple of months and to my surprise there sat the Apex. After talking to the guy behind the booth (Curt?) I was blown away. And the value they are offering for just $500 damn! I was expecting him to tell me that the whole package was going to be well above 1K!

Anyway, I am ordering this the day it's available!

niko5
04/07/2009, 01:07 PM
When on when do we get full specs :) Im sure Curts busy from the show but still :) :) :)

IBASSFSH
04/07/2009, 08:47 PM
If they are needing a beta tester (probably already have done that), I have never used a controller (newbie) and would be willing to take one for a test spin. My system is 400 gallons all on dial timers. I had to try anyway. LOL

rckrzy1
04/08/2009, 07:41 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14782106#post14782106 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IBASSFSH
If they are needing a beta tester (probably already have done that), I have never used a controller (newbie) and would be willing to take one for a test spin. My system is 400 gallons all on dial timers. I had to try anyway. LOL

Never having owned a controller would make you a poor tester, trust me on that. After a few months the AC3 still has me going.

IBASSFSH
04/08/2009, 10:11 AM
I'll be the judge of that!! LOL

devgru
04/08/2009, 12:29 PM
Great! I just bought an ACIII last month.are they going to offer an upgrade option/trade in?

ah30k
04/08/2009, 12:43 PM
The goal of any company is to keep quiet about any new products until the last minute so they don't slow sales of current product while consumers wait for new ones. While is sucks to buy a ACiii the day before the Apex is shown at a show, I would not expect any kind of incentive to upgrade. ebay'ing the ACiii at a loss then buy a new one is the only real option.

SirVilhelm
04/08/2009, 12:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14785990#post14785990 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by devgru
Great! I just bought an ACIII last month.are they going to offer an upgrade option/trade in?

Highly doubt that, what kind of business model would that be? Every time a company releases a new product they have to take a big hit on all the people who bought last years model. Doesn't make sense.

I bought the Canon XTI right before the XSI came out, should canon reimburse me for the XSI? No. What about when I bought my Visio 48" LCD and 4 months later they release their new models, should Viso take the hit on my upgrade?

Not being a douche, but I just don't see how that makes any sense for a business...

kuyatwo
04/08/2009, 01:01 PM
Right when I heard the news of a new controller I put mine on the for sale forums there are alot of people still interested in the ac3 but you will take a hit on it on resale value

ah30k
04/08/2009, 02:27 PM
kuyatwo, any sense of resale value on an ACiii with probes and DC8 since the product announcement?

I tried to search the selling forum but the search feature seems permanently disabled here :(

SirVilhelm
04/08/2009, 02:54 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14786817#post14786817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
I tried to search the selling forum but the search feature seems permanently disabled here :( [/B]

Yea what's the deal with that? So hard to find any past info on here

RussM
04/08/2009, 02:58 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14786963#post14786963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirVilhelm
Yea what's the deal with that? So hard to find any past info on here

It's incentive to become a Premium Member ;)

SirVilhelm
04/08/2009, 02:59 PM
I didn't know there are different membership levels... can you PM me with details?

clp
04/08/2009, 04:03 PM
I'm back from MAX in LA, and have finally caught up on emails, etc. So that folks that didn't see the new controller in person, I'm posting a picture of the flyer we were handing out at the show. More details on the functionality in the coming days.

http://www.neptunesys.com/ApexSS.gif

Curt

SEAREEF
04/08/2009, 10:11 PM
will the apex handle conductivity?????

stealyourhouse
04/09/2009, 05:44 AM
I too am in the boat of just buying an AC3 in the last month. And while I don't expect a trade in or anything like that, I would like to see an AC3 firmware upgrade that offers a similar web front end to the Apex (with XML, etc).

The current web front end seems to be stuck in 1993

kuyatwo
04/09/2009, 07:09 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14790122#post14790122 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SEAREEF
will the apex handle conductivity?????

ditto i am interested in it also

iaanr
04/09/2009, 07:39 AM
Wow. That thing looks great. When and where can I order or preorder?

iaanr
04/09/2009, 07:39 AM
Wow. That thing looks great. When and where can I order or preorder?

ebe
04/09/2009, 11:30 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14791143#post14791143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stealyourhouse
I too am in the boat of just buying an AC3 in the last month. And while I don't expect a trade in or anything like that, I would like to see an AC3 firmware upgrade that offers a similar web front end to the Apex (with XML, etc).

The current web front end seems to be stuck in 1993

I did the exact same thing. I agree the web interface could be improved.

unbreakable
04/09/2009, 01:34 PM
i want it

Lutefisk
04/09/2009, 01:43 PM
This video from MAX has me fumbling trying to get my credit card out of my wallet:

Is that possibly Curt that is demonstrating it?

http://www.viddler.com/explore/************/videos/11/



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14790122#post14790122 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SEAREEF
will the apex handle conductivity?????


The video doesn't show any interface that appears to be related to conductivity. However, there is the mention that PM1 is the "first" interface expansion offered. So, perhaps, conductivity will come later.


Paul

clp
04/09/2009, 01:59 PM
The Apex base unit does not have conductivity monitor builtin, but there is a probe module in development which adds that feature.

Curt

clp
04/09/2009, 02:12 PM
Let's start with some details on the Display module and AquaBus:

AquaDisplay Features
----------- --------
- sleek and stylish case.
- compact size 3.40" x 4.05" x 0.65".
- mounting holes for easy attachment to wall/stand
- 7 mechanical buttons for speedy access user interface
- 128 x 64 Backlight display
blue background with white characters.
high contrast, excellent display quality
- Displays datalog graphs
- 4 Highly customizable status displays
placement of probe names and icons can be selected by user
can scroll manually scroll between different status screens
or automatically scroll through them.
- user adjustable contrast and backlight settings.
- backlight can be dimmed at night.
- Audible alarms
User selectable tones/songs for different warning/error types
- multiple displays can used on one systems.
all remote displays have the same functionality as the primary display
(i.e. can configure, graph, initiate feed cycles, etc. from all displays)


AquaBus
-------
- High reliability
Robust Error Correction
Industrial quality bus which uses a differential drivers
(unlike competing products which use an unreliable I2C or TTL bus)
- Either daisy chain or star wiring topologies are support
- Supports up to 240 different modules.
The most expandable Aquarium Controller.
- Bus cabling may be as long as several hundred feet.
- protocol allows all modules to be upgraded from the base unit.
no unplugging units and connecting them to a PC (extremely simple)
- Plug & Play
system will automatically recognize new devices and configure them.

More details to follow.

Curt

unbreakable
04/09/2009, 03:51 PM
Curt, do you know when we can pre-order? would that be at the end of this month?

SirVilhelm
04/09/2009, 03:58 PM
Can the Apex replace the Tunze wave maker controller using the variable outputs? Does that make sense?

eran
04/09/2009, 04:00 PM
don't shun me but I just bought a rke and I will be sending it back as soon as it hits my door!!!!! Sign me up

rsuplido
04/09/2009, 04:25 PM
Any wireless AquaBus option? :D

I hope there's an AquaDisplay version for the iPhone...

Constantin
04/09/2009, 09:01 PM
count me in, would like to know when they ship and when is the salinity expension scheduled to be released.

Buzz
04/10/2009, 07:31 AM
Will the AC3 be obsolete once the Apex is released?

I have just placed an order for the AC3 that I can cancel but if the AC3 has functionality that the Apex doesn't then I may have a reason to keep the order.

ah30k
04/10/2009, 07:41 AM
I'm wondering how the ACiii-Pro fits into the product lineup?

The jr and iii can be priced as cheaper options, but the Pro?

chrishet
04/10/2009, 07:42 AM
I see everything in this unit that I need, but VorTech control...I'm guessing it would take a proprietary controller to work and unless EcoTech is willing to open this up we won't see anything from the automation vendors...too bad, I really like the pump but would like the ability to retain night time settings after a power down... and of course the ability to automate it. I'm ready to Pre-Order my Apex now! Congrats Neptune on a great looking product! Sorry RKE...

SirVilhelm
04/10/2009, 10:22 AM
Let me order now!! haha

kuyatwo
04/10/2009, 10:28 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14798220#post14798220 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrishet
I see everything in this unit that I need, but VorTech control...I'm guessing it would take a proprietary controller to work and unless EcoTech is willing to open this up we won't see anything from the automation vendors...too bad, I really like the pump but would like the ability to retain night time settings after a power down... and of course the ability to automate it. I'm ready to Pre-Order my Apex now! Congrats Neptune on a great looking product! Sorry RKE...

switch to tunze then you can control them with the controller.

SirVilhelm
04/10/2009, 10:31 AM
I don't understand something...

What do you guys mean it will do tunze control? Won't it control any pump you plug into the DC 8 but turning that port on and off?

ah30k
04/10/2009, 10:34 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14799222#post14799222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirVilhelm
I don't understand something...

What do you guys mean it will do tunze control? Won't it control any pump you plug into the DC 8 but turning that port on and off? We're talking "variable speed" pumps.

SirVilhelm
04/10/2009, 10:36 AM
Ok, so the pump has some kind of interface that you can plug into the Apex which can control flow based off your program correct?

aiko670
04/10/2009, 10:37 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14799246#post14799246 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirVilhelm
Ok, so the pump has some kind of interface that you can plug into the Apex which can control flow based off your program correct?

Correct:D

SirVilhelm
04/10/2009, 10:38 AM
That's pretty damn cool. Which model of Tunze specifically will do this? All of them?

ah30k
04/10/2009, 10:50 AM
AquaSurf - http://www.neptunesys.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=40

ah30k
04/10/2009, 11:47 AM
Mildly off topic... So I have a second-hand Tunze 7095 controller that is controlling two 6100 pumps. The connection is a round connector like the old computer keyboard connectors.

https://www.cherrycorals.com/equipment/images/P/Kits2.jpg There is a round transformer and small control box between the 7095 and the pump

If I want to switch over the the Neptune controlling them and use the AquaSurf or the built-in features in the Apex, how do I interface my two round connectors to the Neptune? The Apex connectors don't look like they can be that large based on the pics. The AquaSurf manual I downloaded does not have enough detail in the drawing to tell.

chrishet
04/10/2009, 12:06 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14799204#post14799204 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kuyatwo
switch to tunze then you can control them with the controller.

Wow, I haven't thought of that! LOL....But seriously, if Tunze ever makes a low profile pump I may, for now the MP20 is a very nice fit/profile for my 22 Cad. I have seen a mod on Youtube that allows spped control of the MP40 with the Aqusurf but I'm not that bold....

Mako
04/10/2009, 03:24 PM
ah30k- The Aquasurf interfaces directly to those round Tunze connections. The same is more than likely true with the Apex.

ah30k
04/10/2009, 04:06 PM
Chuck, the connectors on the Apex are much smaller and marked V1/V2 and then V3/V4
http://www.************.com/wp-content/gallery/apex/apex-7.jpg

There must be some physical adapter?

Mako
04/10/2009, 05:46 PM
An adaptor...yes. The Aquasurf uses RJ-45 connections to the unit itself with a pigtail of two Tunze connections on the other end.

sfsuphysics
04/11/2009, 07:54 AM
Man o Man, I got an AC3 not too long ago to replace my RKE, now out comes something that looks like an RKE?

As neat as it looks I learned my pre-ordering lesson once already (ended up costing me $500 :D).

My AC3 works perfectly fine as it is though, and at this point in time I don't need anything more for it, I just hope that support for it continues on.

RokleM
04/11/2009, 08:06 AM
My hunch is that support for the AC3 will continue, but enhancements to move towards or include Apex features will not. In short, I think the AC3 doesn't have the horsepower or memory to handle may (if any) of the new functions... which is why we're seeing a brand new overhauled unit that is DRASTICALLY more powerful.

As always, it kind of sucks to be an owner of the "old" technology, but it's solid and still works well.

Looking good so far Curt, that's all I can say :)

sfsuphysics
04/11/2009, 08:22 AM
Yeah I suspect the AC3 will be what the ACjr has become, yeah it's supported but nothing new/drastic is coming out for it.

As you said though its solid and works well, and to be perfectly honest the AC3 does more than I really need for now, so it'll be running the show on my tank for a while :D

jglackin
04/11/2009, 08:45 AM
Tagging along.

Looking forward to some sort of a upgrade promo for those of us that already have Neptune controllers. :)

NeveSSL
04/11/2009, 08:47 AM
Hmmm... tough choice. RKE or Apex? We'll see. :)

FWIW, Curt, I'm definitely interested in hearing about future modules and plans for expansion. That's the one area that is currently holding me back from giving you my money. :D

Everything else looks pretty sweet, though.

Brandon

mcliffy2
04/11/2009, 10:30 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14804703#post14804703 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NeveSSL
Hmmm... tough choice. RKE or Apex? We'll see. :)

FWIW, Curt, I'm definitely interested in hearing about future modules and plans for expansion. That's the one area that is currently holding me back from giving you my money. :D

Everything else looks pretty sweet, though.

Brandon

As a current RKE owner who will be switching, trust me its not. That said, if you want to buy an RKE, I'll have a good deal on one as soon as the Apex comes out :)

chrishet
04/11/2009, 11:41 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14804703#post14804703 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NeveSSL
Hmmm... tough choice. RKE or Apex? We'll see. :)



I know there is a lot of loyalty out there for these controllers, i.e. AC3 vs RKE, but I don't get it. As consumers we should demand the highest level of technology, reliability and support from our vendors. In my research for a controller I have seen way to much defense of the RKE device and have even been verbally attacked just for asking some simple questions, like when will the SW be available? IMO the Apex specs way outperforms the RKE and while we do not yet know what the stability of the Apex device will be we do know what the problems of the RKE has been.

One final point, these devices are not really that expensive in the grand scheme of things and they are a great value prop compared to doing it yourself. I actually own an automation company for telescope observatories and I understand the technology utilized here. Btw, I already have over $3K in my 22 Cadlights setup and I do not even own a controller yet!...I'm betting most of you 100 gal + owners have well over 10K in your setup....So kudos to Neptune for keeping the price down on such a nice piece of technology......with that being said, HURRY UP NEPTUNE!

Cajun Reefer
04/11/2009, 12:43 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14770623#post14770623 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimsflies
Will the apex work with old DC-8's?

Will the old DC-8's, DC4's, & DC4HD's (power bars) work with the new Apex? If so, is there a limit to how many can be daisy chained and hooked up to the Apex?

How many devices can the Apex handle without any additional modules (excluding the obvious power bars)?

For the new power bar, what is it rated at for the total maximum amps and max amps per outlet?

I'm assuming that the old 120 volt Socket Expansion can still be plugged into the new power bar, correct?

Does the software come with the basic controller system under $500? Or is that a separate purchase?

Will there be any issues with the new power bar as it relates to low power drawing devices like what happened with some of the older DC8? Forgive me, I don't recall the technical name, but I think y'all changed over to triacs or something similar to that name.


Thank you for your time and assistance! Looking forward to it.

kenargo
04/11/2009, 01:07 PM
Will the apex work with old DC-8's?

Yes, the Apex will be backwards compatible with existing devices.

clownnrnd
04/11/2009, 01:34 PM
Does anyone know when they will be shipping?

Chad

sfsuphysics
04/11/2009, 06:29 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14806075#post14806075 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kenargo
Yes, the Apex will be backwards compatible with existing devices.
I'd be willing to guess that certain features, i.e. current monitoring, is not something that'll be backward compatible for obvious reasons :)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14805653#post14805653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrishet
I know there is a lot of loyalty out there for these controllers, i.e. AC3 vs RKE, but I don't get it. As consumers we should demand the highest level of technology, reliability and support from our vendors. In my research for a controller I have seen way to much defense of the RKE device and have even been verbally attacked just for asking some simple questions, like when will the SW be available? IMO the Apex specs way outperforms the RKE and while we do not yet know what the stability of the Apex device will be we do know what the problems of the RKE has been.

Well I think the whole deal with controllers is that it's similar to games for a computer vs games for a console, with a console you know all the hardware that'll be at work there, with a computer you can have literally billions of differences between two machines. Same with controllers, with some people they'll work flawlessly, best thing since sliced bread, others... not so much.

niko5
04/12/2009, 07:44 PM
Curt could you at least say it wont have Vortech control? Or is there something in process? Or does Ecotech have your hands tied?

kuyatwo
04/12/2009, 07:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14806232#post14806232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clownnrnd
Does anyone know when they will be shipping?

Chad

from what i have been reading next month so cross your fingers

tacocat
04/14/2009, 04:04 AM
Curt,

Will this thing be able to do "day of the week" programming?

clp
04/14/2009, 12:02 PM
Cajun Reefer,
Yes all direct connect boxes will work with the Apex. Apex is expandable to thousands of controlled outlets. The expandability is virtually unlimited.
The EB8 is rated for 5 Amps on outlets 1-3 & 5-7 (triacs), and 10 Amps on outlets #4 & #8. The 2 relays outlets are for use with higher current devices, or pumps which have a poor power factor.

Yes, the socket expansion will work on the EB8.
No, AquaNotes does not come with the Apex base unit; it really isn't needed.

niko5,
It will be shipping next month.

Tacocat,
Yes, it has day of week programming.

Curt

clp
04/14/2009, 12:10 PM
Here is a summary of new features available in the Apex base unit:


- Monitor/Control - pH, Temp, and ORP
ORP input can either be an ORP input, or a second pH probe
Galvanic isolation on probes (no probe interference issues like the competition).
- Two AquaBus connectors for easy expansion, and flexible cabling options.
Plug and Plug bus allows for modular expansion.
High reliability protocol with robust error correction.
Cable lengths over 200 feet.
- All AquaBus modules allow for easy firmware updates
New features can be added to modules
No need to unplug/rewire devices to perform the firmware update (unlike the competition)
- Virtually unlimited expandability - most expandable controller.
- Expandable to 240 AquaBus modules
- hundreds of monitored probes/digital inputs
- thousands of controlled outlets
- 6 Digital Inputs
I/O port expansion backwards compatible with PX 1000
Compatible with the breakout box.
- Control Port - All control port accessories (DC8, DC4, DC4HD, AquaSurf, Lunar Sim)
work with Apex
- 4 Variable Speed Ports.
0 to 10V output interface
Can directly control up to 4 Tunze stream pumps (like AquaSurf)
Can dim ballasts with 0 to 10V interfaces (T5).
- Integrated Ethernet port.
Most advanced web server available.
Only aquarium controller with web server monitoring, control, and configuration.
Easily interfaces with wireless 802.11x accessories
Email or text message alarms
Interfaces with AquaNotes iPhone application
RSS and XML Support
- Only 32 bit processor on an Aquarium controller
Over 16 times more code space & 5X faster than the competition
The huge code space means that future expandability is guaranteed
- Very simple menu driven configuration.
menus to easily setup pumps, lights, heater, chiller, co2, etc.
No programming required for configuration
Can name the outlets (unlike the competition)
- In advanced mode enhanced AquaController programming language available
Day of Week functionality added.
Sub minute control added on EnergyBar controlled devices.
- 4 Feed Cycles or Maintenance modes
- Firmware updates via Ethernet
Flash memory so new features can be easily added
- Alternate power port on Apex Base Unit.
Email alarms or audible alarms when system power fails
Can detect power failures in EnergyBars.
- Internal rechargeable backup battery.
Retains clock
- Huge data logging memory
Graph probe/device data on the LCD display
Interactive flash graphing application in the web server
Over 1 years worth of data logs can be stored
Over 16 times more memory than the competition
- Compact Size
7.5" x 2.6" x 1.10"


Curt

jglackin
04/14/2009, 12:13 PM
Curt, how about an upgrade promo?


Up

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mcliffy2
04/14/2009, 12:26 PM
Looks like the best set of features available, and at a very low price :) One slight thing I noticed, and just being a stickler here, this claim isn't quite correct: "Only aquarium controller with web server monitoring, control, and configuration." The Biomatix is web-based and allows for all that, BUT, it isn't nearly as expandable and is pricier (no capability for a second pH probe was the deal breaker for me.)

wwanthony
04/14/2009, 01:00 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14801059#post14801059 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
Chuck, the connectors on the Apex are much smaller and marked V1/V2 and then V3/V4
http://www.************.com/wp-content/gallery/apex/apex-7.jpg

There must be some physical adapter?

I would guess that the V1/V2 and V3/V3 ports are the same as the ones on the AquaSurf and thus the AquaSurf is not needed if you have an Apex.

benf
04/14/2009, 01:13 PM
I dont see monitoring Conductivity and Dissolved Oxygen, any reason for leaving them out?

Gondore
04/14/2009, 01:17 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14824442#post14824442 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by benf
I dont see monitoring Conductivity and Dissolved Oxygen, any reason for leaving them out?

I believe Conductivity is planned for a future module.

clp
04/14/2009, 01:19 PM
We didn't want to increase the cost of the base unit by having cond. and DO built-in. There are probe modules in development that will add support for those probes.

Curt

benf
04/14/2009, 01:22 PM
OK, thanks

gotfrogs
04/14/2009, 04:51 PM
Can't wait! The features sound great.

szwab
04/14/2009, 08:13 PM
Sounds great! any chance the feed function will work from the web?
Also is there any pricing information available? ( possibly missed it somewhere in the thread)

KurtsReef
04/15/2009, 04:31 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14754458#post14754458 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by alex93se
Looks like it'll be around $500 to compete w/ the RKE. As long as it has a built-in web server like the ACIII(to use with the Iphone app) I'm all in!

What Iphone app?

I need to get my ACIII online, one feature I never bothered to configure.

aiko670
04/15/2009, 07:40 AM
Hey Curt-

Any chance there is some updated security with the new version?

RokleM
04/15/2009, 08:51 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14829003#post14829003 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KurtsReef
What Iphone app?

I need to get my ACIII online, one feature I never bothered to configure.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1520336

KurtsReef
04/15/2009, 09:07 AM
Thanks for the link Rookie

RussM
04/15/2009, 04:55 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14829576#post14829576 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aiko670
Hey Curt-

Any chance there is some updated security with the new version?

Can you elaborate? What are you looking for? SSL? SSH? ???

SirVilhelm
04/15/2009, 04:59 PM
I just want a release date, this money is burning my pocket!

aiko670
04/15/2009, 06:10 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14832724#post14832724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RussM
Can you elaborate? What are you looking for? SSL? SSH? ???

Exactly, just looking for a more secure login.

ser_renely
04/18/2009, 09:29 AM
So will this bring the price of the AC3 down?

szwab
04/18/2009, 09:47 AM
Prices were reduced a bit ago. Not sure if they have another planned.

ser_renely
04/18/2009, 09:58 AM
yeah, wasn't sure if they would take another hit...probably not, but was curious.

txfatcat
04/20/2009, 02:53 PM
Any firm release date on this system.

I have a birthday next month and my wife has secretly been planning and upgrade from my current RK2 to a AC pro. I just today learned of this and have asked her to hold off for now.

I dont want to wait too much longer as I am limited with the RK2 and am trying to finish the electrical side of my project. I am just ready to start getting some completions and tired of things being unfinished and ready to start enjoying everything.

The AC pro it a great system and has been run by many professionals. It has everything I need for now.

ah30k
04/20/2009, 03:47 PM
Well, I am flying blind now. Sold my ACiii on eBay hoping to get some value from it so I can upgrade to the Apex.

<img src="http://www.rowelab.com/AquaController/graph1.php?view=30days&amp;userid=ah30k">

I turned off my heater last night to graph the temp drop without the heater on and then disconnected the ACiii this afternoon to ship it to an eBay buyer. The distinctive temp drop at the end was the overnight without heaters.

It stinks being blind like this.

I hope the Apex production units come in soon from their CM and they don't have any defects. SW updates are easy but HW defects are more troublesome.

edit - BTW, the four day during the last week without a pH peak and temp peak were the four days I turned the lights off to battle some algae growth. You can see a daily temp and pH bump from the lights except for the four day period the last week before I shut down.

SirVilhelm
04/20/2009, 03:51 PM
I've been flying blind for over a year, today we are hitting record temps in So Cal. I just hope I don't come home to cooked fish!

kuyatwo
04/20/2009, 04:09 PM
ditto on being blind sold my ac3 when apex was first announced I am in no hurry as long as the controller is done right the first time out

wwanthony
04/20/2009, 04:11 PM
Given that the DCs and the probes are compatible with the Apex, I am going to keep my AC3 and Aquasurf as backups.....can't wait for the Apex.....

ah30k
04/20/2009, 05:28 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14864006#post14864006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wwanthony
Given that the DCs and the probes are compatible with the Apex, I am going to keep my AC3 and Aquasurf as backups.....can't wait for the Apex..... Backup = nice
Paying $325 less for the Apex = better (for me at least)

RussM
04/20/2009, 06:59 PM
My hope is to sell my AC3 to an ACjr owner who wants a low-cost controller upgrade, & just keep my DC8s to use w/ the APEX.

wwanthony
04/20/2009, 08:28 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14864536#post14864536 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
Backup = nice
Paying $325 less for the Apex = better (for me at least)

I hear you ah30k......I am lucky that I don't need the cash to get the Apex......

BTW....you are a braver man than me to go blind for a while. I could not imagine giving it a try.

ah30k
04/20/2009, 10:37 PM
x

Constantin
04/24/2009, 06:10 PM
been a while since theres been an update, any idea on when the controller will be avaliable?

ah30k
04/24/2009, 08:57 PM
x - I wonder why I can't delete my own posts?

ser_renely
04/25/2009, 04:53 AM
Yeah, looking to pull the trigger, can only wait so long...

RokleM
04/25/2009, 10:33 AM
Patience guys, patience.

I can't help but laugh at the people rushing out and selling equipment "running blind" without any controller hardware now. The same thing happens with the protein skimmer junkies who sell their hardware before an official date on new hardware has been released... only to see delays in production... shortages... delays in shipping... etc. Then over 3-6 months they spend a fortune doing large water changes becuase they jumped the gun and are scrambling to maintain the quality of their reef.

I'm not saying this is going to happen here, but as far as I'm aware Curt has NOT put out an official date or offered pre-sales. I would highly recommend TAKING CARE OF YOUR REEFS PROPERLY until you know what the time lines are going to be.

You and we all want a quality controller. Don't rush things and let Curt do his job.

ah30k
04/25/2009, 01:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14894790#post14894790 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RokleM
Patience guys, patience.

I can't help but laugh at the people rushing out and selling equipment "running blind" without any controller hardware now.

Thank you for the lecture. You are so wise!

Your passing judgment on me selling my controller and laughing at me, however, makes me laugh since you have no idea what my tank situation or my financial situation is.

I have thermostats for temp and timers for lights so I think my tank health can stay acceptable until the Apex is launched. I foresaw a price drop on the AC lineup in the secondary market and thought I would try to beat that drop.

Iammatt219
04/30/2009, 10:35 AM
Is there a release date yet?

szwab
04/30/2009, 12:33 PM
presales early May shipping late May

RealFish
04/30/2009, 02:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14763710#post14763710 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by qfrisco
Yep, and of course, I just got my AC3 two months ago. Sigh. :-)

Don't feel too bad, they couldn't ship my ACIII until Monday because they were setting up the display for their new product on Friday. Sad thing is my custom tank came in wrong, so I won't need it until the end of May anyway.

Constantin
05/06/2009, 09:19 PM
still no news? :( need to buy a setup for my new build....

amay121
05/07/2009, 08:17 PM
I'm in the same boat Constatin. I'm weighing options, but this hush hush, is making lean towards other alternatives. Get some info out there, whether your site or what not and let me make an informed decision to go with your controller or a competitors.

szwab
05/07/2009, 08:29 PM
http://www.neptunesys.com/ApexSS.gif
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14824026#post14824026 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
Let's start with some details on the Display module and AquaBus:

AquaDisplay Features
----------- --------
- sleek and stylish case.
- compact size 3.40" x 4.05" x 0.65".
- mounting holes for easy attachment to wall/stand
- 7 mechanical buttons for speedy access user interface
- 128 x 64 Backlight display
blue background with white characters.
high contrast, excellent display quality
- Displays datalog graphs
- 4 Highly customizable status displays
placement of probe names and icons can be selected by user
can scroll manually scroll between different status screens
or automatically scroll through them.
- user adjustable contrast and backlight settings.
- backlight can be dimmed at night.
- Audible alarms
User selectable tones/songs for different warning/error types
- multiple displays can used on one systems.
all remote displays have the same functionality as the primary display
(i.e. can configure, graph, initiate feed cycles, etc. from all displays)


AquaBus
-------
- High reliability
Robust Error Correction
Industrial quality bus which uses a differential drivers
(unlike competing products which use an unreliable I2C or TTL bus)
- Either daisy chain or star wiring topologies are support
- Supports up to 240 different modules.
The most expandable Aquarium Controller.
- Bus cabling may be as long as several hundred feet.
- protocol allows all modules to be upgraded from the base unit.
no unplugging units and connecting them to a PC (extremely simple)
- Plug & Play
system will automatically recognize new devices and configure them.

More details to follow.

Curt

Here is a summary of new features available in the Apex base unit:


- Monitor/Control - pH, Temp, and ORP
ORP input can either be an ORP input, or a second pH probe
Galvanic isolation on probes (no probe interference issues like the competition).
- Two AquaBus connectors for easy expansion, and flexible cabling options.
Plug and Plug bus allows for modular expansion.
High reliability protocol with robust error correction.
Cable lengths over 200 feet.
- All AquaBus modules allow for easy firmware updates
New features can be added to modules
No need to unplug/rewire devices to perform the firmware update (unlike the competition)
- Virtually unlimited expandability - most expandable controller.
- Expandable to 240 AquaBus modules
- hundreds of monitored probes/digital inputs
- thousands of controlled outlets
- 6 Digital Inputs
I/O port expansion backwards compatible with PX 1000
Compatible with the breakout box.
- Control Port - All control port accessories (DC8, DC4, DC4HD, AquaSurf, Lunar Sim)
work with Apex
- 4 Variable Speed Ports.
0 to 10V output interface
Can directly control up to 4 Tunze stream pumps (like AquaSurf)
Can dim ballasts with 0 to 10V interfaces (T5).
- Integrated Ethernet port.
Most advanced web server available.
Only aquarium controller with web server monitoring, control, and configuration.
Easily interfaces with wireless 802.11x accessories
Email or text message alarms
Interfaces with AquaNotes iPhone application
RSS and XML Support
- Only 32 bit processor on an Aquarium controller
Over 16 times more code space & 5X faster than the competition
The huge code space means that future expandability is guaranteed
- Very simple menu driven configuration.
menus to easily setup pumps, lights, heater, chiller, co2, etc.
No programming required for configuration
Can name the outlets (unlike the competition)
- In advanced mode enhanced AquaController programming language available
Day of Week functionality added.
Sub minute control added on EnergyBar controlled devices.
- 4 Feed Cycles or Maintenance modes
- Firmware updates via Ethernet
Flash memory so new features can be easily added
- Alternate power port on Apex Base Unit.
Email alarms or audible alarms when system power fails
Can detect power failures in EnergyBars.
- Internal rechargeable backup battery.
Retains clock
- Huge data logging memory
Graph probe/device data on the LCD display
Interactive flash graphing application in the web server
Over 1 years worth of data logs can be stored
Over 16 times more memory than the competition
- Compact Size
7.5" x 2.6" x 1.10"


Curt

ah30k
05/07/2009, 08:45 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14972413#post14972413 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by amay121
... but this hush hush, is making lean towards other alternatives... Huh? Curt has been more that forthcoming with details than most companies releasing new products. And, we are not past his estimate of late May for shipping. Making knee jerk reactions based on you fantasy expectations is no way to go through life my friend.

DGee
05/08/2009, 12:44 AM
It would be nice to have some sort of an update at least... considering were already past the 1st week of May.

I don't care if there's a hold up of some sort, just keep us updated cause I know I'm not the only one who's ready to pre order!

fernandokng
05/08/2009, 07:25 AM
Judging others is not only unnecessary, but also plain rude.

I didn't think there was an leading authoritative figure on Life on RC. But it's nice that you have all of life's answers.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14972630#post14972630 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
Making knee jerk reactions based on you fantasy expectations is no way to go through life my friend.

Anyway, back to topic. I'm interested in whether there are any delays, since we're in the second week of May already (the expectations that pre-orders would begin in the beginning of May I believe). This will give an opportunity to those who are close to buying a controller to make an informed decision, especially if timing is critical.

amay121
05/08/2009, 07:28 AM
:)

ah30k
05/08/2009, 08:00 AM
If timing is critical I would not use a pre-order. With any pre-order there is no level of confidence it will be delivered on time.

Ciritical needs should be met by purchases that are available for delivery now.

ah30k
05/08/2009, 08:17 AM
Thinking about the new-product-introduction process... There are prototype hardware and alpha software delivered from the contract manufacturer (which may even be overseas). This was likely the hardware/software that Curt showed at the trade show last month. There may have been some critical bugs that would have frozen the system but you can bet Curt would not have ventured into any of the areas with known problems during the show.

At some point, Curt is happy with the hardware design and he gives the go-decision to the production builds. They need to make their way to the Neptune warehouse (which may be Curt's bedroom for all I know :) ).

I'm guessing that pre-order and delivery targets are set based on hardware stability.

Since then there may have been software bugs uncovered (see the ACiii firmware update thread) that need to be fixed.

Again, at some point Curt is happy and decides to re-flash all of his first-run production units that were already on the boat.

When he is ready, he will announce pre-orders and ship as soon as possible.

Holding him to any communication plan is just not feasible based on the number of variables in the air. I personally hope that they are shipped soon as I am currently without a controller. I'd like to think he is busy re-flashing them now and ready to enable the new part umbers and pricing on the purchasing site.

Anyway, saying that this is a hush-hush attitude and saying that any more delays in communications would force other choices is just silly to me. Yes, pre-orders were not opened in the first week of May, but that means little if there were no expectations for delivery until the end of May anyway. Why send money any sooner than you have to? You are free to make other choices, go for it if you want.

RussM
05/08/2009, 09:13 AM
Patience guys.. At MAX, Curt told me "pre-order in early May"; to me, that loosely means the first half of May, not necessarily the first week.

Like those old E&J Gallo commercials... "we will sell no wine before its time"... I'd rather they get it right, even if that means the APEX might be released a bit later than expected. Having been the R&D Director for a technology company, I know first-hand how a problem can crop up at the last minute, despite intense QA efforts. (I have no knowledge of this being the case with the APEX, so please don't take it as such.)

kenargo
05/08/2009, 09:23 AM
I agree with Russ...

There are many processes that must happen before a product, with the quality and stability we have come to know of Neptune products can be made available to the general populous. I understand the excitement about the new controller but this controller deserves our patience.

Please don't allow excitement for this new controller turn into anger and terse treatment of fellow reefers.

Constantin
05/08/2009, 01:05 PM
well, i am sure a lot of people are confused by the fact that there was a lot of info from Curt back in the beginning of April, however no news in the past few weeks... so people want to know whether its still scheduled to ship in late May or not, since some, like myself, need to buy a controller.
no need to get defensive or offensive about this topic, would be nice to get a simple update, thats all.

ah30k
05/08/2009, 01:47 PM
x deleted, getting too far off topic...

SirVilhelm
05/08/2009, 02:20 PM
oh you guys!

Paramecium
05/08/2009, 03:51 PM
I too am interested in a solid due date for this controller. like a few others I need a controller soon and would like to buy the Apex rather than an older model for almost the same price, assuming he sticks with the $500 package he told me about at MAX.

wwanthony
05/08/2009, 07:08 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen......please.......

Neptune Systems will give us an update when they are ready. We are lucky to have direct access to Curt in this forum. Let the man do his work.

If you need a controller now then buy one. If you sold your controller early then live with your decision.

Product launches have a life of their own. We may not see the Apex until the fall....who knows. I want one yesterday also, but I can't have one until it is on the market......

simon.007
05/08/2009, 07:31 PM
I second wwanthony. I rather wait for the product to be ready them depend on a product that does not work 100% and has consequences of life in my tank.

Thanks
Simon

Constantin
05/09/2009, 06:13 AM
you guys are right, and no one is trying to rush anybody into anything, however when people start screaming "leave Curt alone, otherwise god will smite you" just because people wanted to know whether things are still on time is absurd.

there is nothing wrong with asking questions concerning time frame, and there is nothing wrong with letting people know that things are delayed or that you simply don't know.

Of course Curt is not going to do it until he knows for sure there is a delay because it might unnecessary turn away potential buyers.
Lets face is, most people who buy these kind of controllers new are reading these forums...
This is not criticism of Neptune, rather an expression of my amazement at peoples reaction of "DONT PUSH THEM"... no one is pushing anyone, this is a forum for Christs sake, people come here to find information.

Paramecium
05/09/2009, 09:52 AM
I agree with Constantin. I don't appreciate getting crap from people for asking if the product is still on schedule. I need a controller soon, as my tank is ready to be filled with water and I don't want to spend $460 or so for an AC3 when a better product will be out soon for just slightly more.

If Curt were to come on here and explain that things are delayed for some reason that would be fine, if the time frame was long enough I could buy a used AC3 for now. If however they will still be available in the next month or so I will hold off and wait for the new product.

wwanthony
05/09/2009, 10:46 AM
My post was certainly not to give anybody crap (I have no reason to). Asking questions is what the forum is all about. It just seemed that some folks were getting a little heated and starting to go after each other a little. It would be nice to get more info (especially those that are currently putting together a new build), but we can't demand an answer. Curt will respond at some point.

Constantin
05/09/2009, 04:36 PM
this is a forum board, you can "demand" anything, but you are only going to get what you are going to get, if anything, all these demands help Curt and his company in knowing that there is a demand for the unit right now and also helps him in deciding on when and what kind of info should be out....

as long as no one is cursing.... and the first flame on there was from somebody who was saying "hahaha you are flying blind, silly you, you should know better"...

anyway, back on topic, would be great to know some info, i too have a tank that is waiting for water :)

wwanthony
05/09/2009, 05:35 PM
Constantin: You take things a little bit too literal my friend.

All is good. Looking forward to my Apex.....

Antipodes
05/10/2009, 03:21 PM
What interests me more than when it is available, is what modules will be available.
4 1-10V channels are not sufficient at all, I am looking at 8 1-10v illumination channels and 8 1-10V for more than just tunze pumps.

250 modules capable, but do I have to buy 6 modules to get 6 extra 1-10v channels when they have to be combined with 1 ph- 1 temp etc, Are the modules expandable and able to have ports added. What price is each module, same price as the base unit???? I don't know.

Now this is probably pre-empting the announcements, as I am sure Neptune want to delay some of their stuff until GHL have announced their line up with the profilux III.

My preference right now is with the Neptune as I would like the retained option to use X10 along with the Aquabus and power bars.

I am also waiting for the 230 volt version of the power bar to be release before I make a definitive purchase of a new neptune controller.

szwab
05/10/2009, 03:26 PM
I think they are just waiting till this thread gets to page 10 then they'll release :D

mixer911
05/11/2009, 02:09 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14986415#post14986415 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Antipodes
What interests me more than when it is available, is what modules will be available.
4 1-10V channels are not sufficient at all, I am looking at 8 1-10v illumination channels and 8 1-10V for more than just tunze pumps.

250 modules capable, but do I have to buy 6 modules to get 6 extra 1-10v channels when they have to be combined with 1 ph- 1 temp etc, Are the modules expandable and able to have ports added. What price is each module, same price as the base unit???? I don't know.



I agree, What other modules are in line for release, Any?



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14986439#post14986439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
I think they are just waiting till this thread gets to page 10 then they'll release :D

Bump
Bump
Bump
:lol:

kb27973
05/11/2009, 04:37 PM
One of the things I really miss about my old 6' long VHO's was the ability to dim them. Now this controller says:

Can dim ballasts with 0 to 10V interfaces (T5).

Does this mean it will dim the T5's in my Maristar pendant?

Ken

aiko670
05/11/2009, 10:24 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14991664#post14991664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mixer911
I agree, What other modules are in line for release, Any?





Bump
Bump
Bump
:lol:

They wouldn't do a thing like that....






Would they?:lol:

builderguy
05/12/2009, 09:11 AM
Anxiously waiting as well. I've been using an old ACII since 2005. I really want the conductivity feature and the ethernet/web access. I was about to choose the RKE, but now I'm watching this. I really like the added "day of the week" functionality as well. $500 sounds great and I can still use my DC8 and Expansion Socket. It doesn't sound like I need the DCHD4 since the new EB8 has high amp outlets....NICE!

builderguy
05/12/2009, 09:11 AM
Anxiously waiting as well. I've been using an old ACII since 2005. I really want the conductivity feature and the ethernet/web access. I was about to choose the RKE, but now I'm watching this. I really like the added "day of the week" functionality as well. $500 sounds great and I can still use my DC8 and Expansion Socket. It doesn't sound like I need the DCHD4 since the new EB8 has high amp outlets....NICE!

Auritania
05/13/2009, 07:09 PM
I just got an AC3 a few days ago and found this thread while looking for programming information on the unit.

I'm wondering if, with all the extra space and CPU, we will be able to add or modify pages on the controller itself. Is the language going to be robust enough to handle more communication? Will the controller be able to be programmed to send and receive direct commands? Will there be an API? How about X10, is that still available? Will the bus protocol be available to allow for custom modules to be built?

I'm really excited by the possibilities with this and the potential to integrate it completely with my home automation and reporting. It would be nice to have something more than a "dumb" controller you can only poll.

And either way, the XML is great. That alone makes my day. Automated telnet sessions to scavenge data didn't play so well with aquanotes. Now both will be able to happily co-exist.

kenargo
05/13/2009, 08:57 PM
How about X10, is that still available?

Yes, the Apex supports X10 and can be used with the new control modules (using AquaBus) or the old modules (e.g., DC8, LunarSim, etc).

wpnorton
05/16/2009, 12:36 PM
When the natives start getting restless...It helps for the village leader to say a few words to calm the crowd. It wouldn't take much to appease people. Lets face it, most Reefers are obsessive compulsive techno geeks. Being anxious for new technology is normal. It's not so much about the fish, as it is the equipment and engineering of the whole thing. Give the people some updates or prepare for disgruntled customers. I think it was bad timing to "Put" this out there to the public when it wasn't ready or Nearly ready for release, and then not come forward with updates on the status. It would be easy as "...Ran into a production snag, tentative release of 15 August....now go away". Simple! If it come out earlier...BONUS.


My Wavy Seas seemed like a great deal, until the guy stopped communicating and supposedly went bankrupt. Great product...Poor customer service.


Although I will give 5 stars for previous service with my ACjr. Very responsive and pleasant to deal with. So why so absent with the APEX info? It's not to much to ask.

phuzzykins
05/16/2009, 01:42 PM
For what it's worth, a reseller told me on Thursday that they'd have the Apex posted for pre-orders on Friday (didn't happen) or Monday.

lakee911
05/16/2009, 02:31 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15022280#post15022280 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wpnorton
It's not so much about the fish, as it is the equipment and engineering of the whole thing.

Haha...ya :)

clp
05/16/2009, 09:01 PM
Everyone please stay calm. :-) I haven't updated the thread in a while as there was no major news to announce.
On Monday we will receive our first production units (everything done by our contract manufacturer). It is very likely that they will be built correctly as they've previously built 100% functional Apex prototypes. Assuming they look good, we'll update our website with all the latest Apex info, and open up pre-orders next week. First customer ship will be about 3 weeks after we give the CM the go-ahead. Just a little more patience please.

Curt

amay121
05/16/2009, 09:11 PM
Hey, we didn't hit 10 pages yet. :)

Thank for the update Curt.

szwab
05/16/2009, 09:15 PM
:thumbsup:

mixer911
05/16/2009, 10:02 PM
Thanks For the update Curt!

Paramecium
05/16/2009, 11:33 PM
Sweet, that was all I needed to hear. I'm planning on putting water in this weekend so I'll be happy to hold out on the controller. Just needed to know it was coming sometime soon, thanks Curt!!

Trickman2
05/17/2009, 08:04 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15024374#post15024374 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
Everyone please stay calm. :-) I haven't updated the thread in a while as there was no major news to announce.
On Monday we will receive our first production units (everything done by our contract manufacturer). It is very likely that they will be built correctly as they've previously built 100% functional Apex prototypes. Assuming they look good, we'll update our website with all the latest Apex info, and open up pre-orders next week. First customer ship will be about 3 weeks after we give the CM the go-ahead. Just a little more patience please.

Curt

Sounds good...how do we get on the magic list for a first unit.

wpnorton
05/17/2009, 09:19 AM
Perfect....! Group hug anyone?

Harleyguy
05/19/2009, 07:21 PM
I have some time before my tanks are ready for water so I'm going to get the new Apex... I've had good luck with the AC3 and AC3 pro, so I'm hoping this is no different... with that said, I'm excited about being able to mark this off the list of things that I need to worry about, so I sure would like to go ahead and get my pre-order out of the way... hint hint...

Trickman2
05/20/2009, 01:55 PM
Any updates

amay121
05/20/2009, 02:03 PM
Neptune Systems has informed us that for the eagerly awaiting folks that would like to pre-order the Apex Aquarium Controller that your time is almost here. With confirmation of production units hitting the Neptune Systems warehouse pre-orders should start next week on the Neptune Systems website. We are expecting the first units to be shipped to customers less than 3 weeks from now which puts it smack dab in the middle of June. Our guess would be the week starting June 15th, but with new product launches this could be delayed for any sort of reasons. Retail pricing is still on track to launch at $499, which will get you most items needed to run a fairly large full scale reef tank.

amay121
05/20/2009, 02:03 PM
Taken from here:

http://www.************.com/2009/05/19/apex-controller-due-middle-june/

builderguy
05/20/2009, 02:12 PM
Any idea how much additional EB8's will cost? I need 16 controllable outlets.

amay121
05/20/2009, 02:14 PM
Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm expecting it to be similar to DC8 cost, or a little more, but not too much more since NS has to compete with DA.

OxInYourBox
05/20/2009, 03:26 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15046472#post15046472 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by builderguy
Any idea how much additional EB8's will cost? I need 16 controllable outlets.

$150 from what Curt told me a couple days ago so pretty much the same as the DC8.

BigAirHarper
05/20/2009, 05:43 PM
Hey guys, I have been anxiously following this thread awaiting the release of the Apex. I have never owned a controller before, but I really want to start being able to monitor my tank from afar with my iPhone:) That said, I have a question that may be dumb, can you run an auto top off with a controller like the Apex and how would you program it/set it up?

phuzzykins
05/20/2009, 06:06 PM
There are many different ways to run a top-off program with a Neptune controller. The simplest version (what I use on my Solana) simply uses a single float switch connected to the Neptune I/O breakout box, and the following three lines of code control an AquaLifter pump:

If Switch1 CLOSED Then ATO ON
If Switch1 OPEN Then ATO OFF
Max Change 030 M Then ATO OFF

The I/O breakout box is a separate purchase (around $40, I think) from the controller itself. If you prefer, you can wire up your own cable to plug into the I/O port on the controller, which is a Mini-DIN 8 pin connector.

Kengar
05/21/2009, 09:13 AM
Two comments re preceding post. First, I would recommend using two float switches wired together in parallel (one lead on each switch joined to one lead on the other switch and hooked up to a common terminal, other leads on each switch getting their own separate terminal connection), one high and one low. Low switch is used as primary and should turn pump on when water level drops and float drops with it. High switch is a kill switch and should be set so that when the float is down, it lets the first switch do its thing but when the float is up, it prevents refill pump from turning on or kills it. (Note that the code for switch 2 has to be after the code for switch 1 to ensure that it has "the last say" in the matter.) Here is my code for this:

If Switch1 OPEN Then RFL OFF
If Switch1 CLOSED Then RFL ON
If Switch2 CLOSED Then RFL OFF

Switch 1 has its float oriented so that the reed switch inside is open while the float is high (don't want it getting corroded and sticking shut); it closes when the water level drops to turn on the refill pump. Switch 2, on the other hand, has its float oriented so that the reed switch inside is open while the float is low; it closes if the water level rises so much (e.g., if the first switch sticks closed for some reason) as to potentially overflow the sump to prevent that from occurring.

You can get all the components you need -- switch, heat-deformable hanging bracket material strips, tubing to fit over the leads coming out of the switch (put silicone around the base of it and in the top of it to prevent water from getting into the leads), etc. -- at aquahub.com



Second, unless you want to spend a lot of time bent over tiny pins and/or are very good with a soldering iron, I'd recommend using the breakout box. Here is a link to thread re my experience doing it DIY. : http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1135897&highlight=solder

alex93se
05/21/2009, 08:39 PM
It's finally here! Check out Neptune's website!

ah30k
05/21/2009, 09:25 PM
Down for maintenance :(

szwab
05/21/2009, 09:28 PM
Probably down cause everyone's checking it out :lol:

ah30k
05/21/2009, 09:30 PM
Alex, was it just the same marketing glossies we already saw?

BigAirHarper
05/21/2009, 09:42 PM
If you google it, you can click on other links other than the home page :) Some of the links are kinda messed up with the APEX which is why I assume it's under construction.

Here is the pre-order link: http://www.neptunesys.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=61&category_id=19&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

RussM
05/21/2009, 09:54 PM
I suspect that they are diligently making all the necessary website changes and testing. I'm going to resist the urge, and wait until the main page is returned to normal before I attempt to pre-order.

BigAirHarper
05/21/2009, 11:58 PM
Ok so I have another question concerning the aquanotes/web server controllability. One thing that I really was looking forward to being able to do was monitor/control the APEX from my iPhone. However I noticed that you have to have Windows to run the Aquanotes software. I have a Mac so would I still be able to control my Apex wirelessly via my iphone? Or would I need to have aquanotes on my computer in order to do such a thing? I was just a little confused because I saw on some aquanotes screenshots where you can set the seasonal lighting, temp, etc. and was hoping you could do all that via my iphone w/o aquanotes.

Auritania
05/22/2009, 05:05 AM
Too bad the site still doesn't work. I can add it to the cart, but it won't give me shipping options and it won't complete checkout without that.

I hope the units are programmed better than the web site.

ah30k
05/22/2009, 06:13 AM
And the kit does not include the ORP probe. :(

Back at the show Curt waved his hand over the whole board and said all of what you see will be around $500.

That board included three probes, I assume temp/orp/pH.

The kit only includes temp/ph.

szwab
05/22/2009, 07:28 AM
I was suprised ph was included. I thought he had said in the vid all but the probes. Still a goood price considering :)

ah30k
05/22/2009, 07:48 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15057182#post15057182 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
I thought he had said in the vid all but the probes. Still a goood price considering :)

I looked again at the video, we're both slightly wrong in our memory. Curt said temp/ph probes but he gestured at all three wrapping his fingers around all three when talked about price. The video from the show ( http://www.************.com/2009/04/08/apex-aquarium-controller-neptune-systems-video-updated-pics/ ) at timestamp 3:00.

I guess this was a case of wishful listening on my part that ORP sould be included. :)

thebradybunch
05/22/2009, 08:11 AM
Marine Depot has them on their website available for pre-ordering. I wonder if it will take longer to get it from them then it would directly from Neptune Systems

RussM
05/22/2009, 08:31 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15056709#post15056709 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Auritania
Too bad the site still doesn't work. I can add it to the cart, but it won't give me shipping options and it won't complete checkout without that.


Ya think it may be because the revamped web site isn't completed yet, and therefore pre-ordering isn't officially available? The main page still says it's down for maintenance.... let's all respect that.... Be patient... I have no doubt Curt will post a "Go for it!" message at the appropriate time.

ah30k
05/22/2009, 08:33 AM
I wonder if Neptune can toss a coupon or other incentive to us for ordering through them rather than a retailer (if their retail agreements don't preclude that). Ordering through the direct Neptune site allow Neptune to capture much more margin as opposed to using retailers.

Retailers offer specials such as free shipping (Marine Depot qualifies this for free shipping), x% off any single regularly priced item (my LFS superstore offered 25% off any single item recently).

OxInYourBox
05/22/2009, 09:15 AM
Woohoo-Looking forward to this!!! :)

phuzzykins
05/22/2009, 10:05 AM
Premium Aquatics has the Apex available for pre-order at $489.00 with free shipping on their web site.

clp
05/22/2009, 10:42 AM
We are in the process of updating our website for pre-orders and Apex product information. We expect this to be completed later today, and then pre-orders will open up on our website.
We will not be offering any discounts, etc. on orders directly from our site. However, if you are in a hurry to get a controller, it would be best to place the order directly with us as all retail orders will ship before any product is sent to our resellers. I anticipate a large demand for this new controller, and expect that it take us a couple of weeks to fill all of the retail Apex orders.

Curt

OxInYourBox
05/22/2009, 10:45 AM
Thanks Curt for the update!!!

SirVilhelm
05/22/2009, 11:01 AM
You da man!

Trickman2
05/22/2009, 11:58 AM
Nice...NEW TOYS ARE FUN

Creetin
05/22/2009, 12:49 PM
Im in on a preorder!!!!
Curt does this come with cables for tunze controll or are tose extra? Also will they be avail for purchase when preorders are done if not included in package?
Thanks

wpnorton
05/22/2009, 01:02 PM
I'm Currently running a ACjr w/DC8 and DC4. I'd hate to discard the outlets, but it seems like I'll lose some functionality with them over the supplied APEX versions. Does anyone know if the DC8 will work Seamlessly with the APEX? Is it worth it to upgrade to the new power boxes?

szwab
05/22/2009, 01:22 PM
The apex is backwards compatible with dc 4's and 8's

wpnorton
05/22/2009, 01:30 PM
I knew it would work...I just don't know how much functionality I'd lose over the new Power Boxes that come with the new APEX units. ??

wwanthony
05/22/2009, 01:31 PM
I think that you just loose the current monitoring feature.

And the fact that the PowerBar is connected to the Aquabus (more robust than X10).

Trickman2
05/22/2009, 01:58 PM
awesome

DurTBear
05/22/2009, 04:11 PM
Is everyone still having trouble getting on the Neptune website? Still down it seems...

ah30k
05/22/2009, 04:35 PM
I can get there fine. It just says "Down for Maintenance" :)

szwab
05/22/2009, 04:36 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15058140#post15058140 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
We are in the process of updating our website for pre-orders and Apex product information. We expect this to be completed later today, and then pre-orders will open up on our website.
Curt

Trickman2
05/23/2009, 03:41 PM
Yesterday is over and the site is still down :(, I wanted to spend money :)

szwab
05/23/2009, 04:03 PM
There is always tomorrow :lol:

xinumaster
05/23/2009, 09:34 PM
I wanna place my order with them so I can just drop by and pick it up.

IBASSFSH
05/23/2009, 09:48 PM
Here is a link to MD's pre sale

http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_viewItem.aspx?IdProduct=NS1141&utm_source=mdhfl090522b2&utm_medium=mdfl&utm_term=mdhflAPEX090522b2rt1&utm_content=mdhflb2rt1&utm_campaign=mdhfl

xinumaster
05/24/2009, 08:57 AM
We know md as well as premiumaquatics is accepting pre-order now, but I'm in a hurry to replace my ACpro, and as Curt said "if you are in a hurry to get a controller, it would be best to place the order directly with us as all retail orders will ship before any product is sent to our resellers.

And I could just pick it up from him. I live just a 10mins drive from his shop.

ah30k
05/24/2009, 09:42 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15067496#post15067496 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xinumaster
We know md as well as premiumaquatics is accepting pre-order now, but I'm in a hurry to replace my ACpro, and as Curt said

And I could just pick it up from him. I live just a 10mins drive from his shop. I'd bet he is using a third party fulfillment service.

Palancarpets
05/24/2009, 07:44 PM
Might be time to replace the ACIII Pro this looks very promising.

Trickman2
05/24/2009, 07:53 PM
Site is back up, my order is in

Gondore
05/24/2009, 07:55 PM
Anyone heard what the most recent ship date is?

clp
05/24/2009, 09:56 PM
Hi All,
Preorders are now open for an AquaControler Apex System. The Apex System pricing starts at $499.95, and when the pre-order is placed a $100 deposit will be charged to your credit card. Initially only complete Apex systems will be available for pre-order. Extra EnergyBars or Display modules will be available for ordering when Apex systems begin shipping.
All systems will ship in the order that the order was placed. If you can select a faster shipping method, it will not move you up in the queue. When it is time from your order to ship, it will ship via the request shipment method. First shipments are scheduled to begin on the week of June 22nd. This is not a hard date as there may be production delays or other issues which delay the product launch.

Apex System Contents

1 Apex Base Unit
1 Temperature Probe
1 Apex Display Module w/ 10’ AquaBus cable
1 EnergyBar 8
1 6’ AquaBus cable
1 Standard Grade pH probe (may be upgraded to lab probe)
1 Owner’s Manual

Here is the link to pre-order:

http://www.neptunesys.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=61&category_id=19&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

Curt

Trickman2
05/24/2009, 10:23 PM
Very nice, sounds like a good deal. Curt what type of warranty can we expect on these units? My order is already in but I was just wondering.

clp
05/24/2009, 10:24 PM
1 Year on all hardware with the exception of the probes. Probes have a 90 day warranty.

Curt

dgtlwrx
05/24/2009, 10:35 PM
I read the thread and have two questions.
1. How far can the remote display be from the base module?
2. does the Apex support 100mb?
Thanks

xinumaster
05/24/2009, 10:45 PM
Why does it shows $546.20 when I check the cart?

Trickman2
05/24/2009, 11:17 PM
taxes are added

szwab
05/24/2009, 11:51 PM
Is it safe to assume orders placed through the Neptune site will be filled prior to orders placed through other online vendors?

IBASSFSH
05/24/2009, 11:57 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15058140#post15058140 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
it would be best to place the order directly with us as all retail orders will ship before any product is sent to our resellers. I anticipate a large demand for this new controller, and expect that it take us a couple of weeks to fill all of the retail Apex orders.

Curt

kuyatwo
05/25/2009, 07:36 AM
the apex controller is now able to preorder through neptune systems website. $100 dollar deposit and you have the option to change the probes to lab grade and order a orp probe

i just ordered mine this morning woot woot :rollface:

ah30k
05/25/2009, 08:32 AM
How much for shipping?

Trickman2
05/25/2009, 09:06 AM
I think mine was like 11 bucks but it depends on how you have it shipped

xinumaster
05/25/2009, 09:38 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15071223#post15071223 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Trickman2
taxes are added

That was before tax. Tax is another additional $46 on top of the $546

eran
05/25/2009, 09:52 AM
do you still have to buy aquasurf or does it come ready to use out of the box? If it does will it function just like the aquasurf. Also, would I have to buy the aqua notes or is the software included?? thanks

szwab
05/25/2009, 09:58 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15072538#post15072538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by eran
do you still have to buy aquasurf or does it come ready to use out of the box? If it does will it function just like the aquasurf. Also, would I have to buy the aqua notes or is the software included?? thanks

You would need to purchase cables to utilize the aquasurf function and no at this point the software is not needed IMO.

clp
05/25/2009, 10:03 AM
xinumaster

I've just checked orders that have come in, and sales tax is calculated correctly, and is only charged once. The shopping cart system just a strange way of displaying the invoice total.

eran,
The Apex base unit has 4 variable speeds ports (like AquaSurf), however, it does include the RJ45 to Din5 cables. If you'd like those they have to be purchased separately. Either part #SURFCAB2, SURFDIMCAB, or DIMCAB2 depending on your needs.

Curt

clp
05/25/2009, 10:08 AM
Please note that AquaNotes does not support the Apex. We've got something much better in development, and yes it will be free. More to come.

Curt

RussM
05/25/2009, 10:14 AM
How will additional probes be handled? I see that the APEX base unit has pH and selectable pH/ORP, like the AC3. I assume that the PX1000 can be used, but are there AquaBus alternatives in the works?

Trickman2
05/25/2009, 10:29 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15072633#post15072633 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
Please note that AquaNotes does not support the Apex. We've got something much better in development, and yes it will be free. More to come.

Curt

That is awesome, when do you guys think it will be completed?

kb27973
05/25/2009, 11:11 AM
How can we tell if it will dim our T5's? I have a Maristar pendant with (4) 3' bulbs. They are on a separate plug and on/off switch. What hardware would be required?

Thanks,
Ken

builderguy
05/25/2009, 11:56 AM
Curt, I may be upgrading my old ACII...primarily I want the network option and future expandability. One of the things I feel could be improved upon in the Neptune controllers is the programming language...mostly as relates to using AND/OR functions for alarms and if statements.

Are there any plans to update the programming language used in the Apex to have something more powerful...perhaps in the new software you eluded to above?

mhosts
05/25/2009, 01:26 PM
I live in Canada and would like to purchase the new Apex...

Is there a way that you could ship the unit with USPS instead of UPS? UPS will charge me over $120.00 in duties to bring it over the border whereas USPS charges a flat $5.00 fee...

Or is it possible to declare the value of the item under $49.99 US if shipped with UPS?

Unfortunately I've been forced to pay ridiculous fees with UPS in the past and refuse to do business with them anymore.

Thanks!

lubyone1
05/25/2009, 02:30 PM
How soon do you anticipate getting the unit out to your resellers? Are we talking 6-8 weeks after your initial shipment or something more along the lines of 2-3? A store close by will carry them so I'm just wondering how long I'd have to wait to get my hands on one if I elected not to order one via the site.

Thanks,
Brian

wpnorton
05/25/2009, 05:37 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15072633#post15072633 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
Please note that AquaNotes does not support the Apex. We've got something much better in development, and yes it will be free. More to come.

Curt

I know your getting beat up with questions, but please relish the enthusiasm. In this economy...more business is better than less business.
Soooo here's another question. I hope it was not already asked. Will the new version of "Aqua Notes" for the APEX also have an Iphone App?

wwanthony
05/25/2009, 07:48 PM
My bet is the Apex is already compatible with the iPhone App. I would guess those late breaking changes to the interface (XML, etc) are supported by the Apex and thus....

ah30k
05/25/2009, 07:49 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15074755#post15074755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wpnorton
Will the new version of "Aqua Notes" for the APEX also have an Iphone App? The iPhone app is totally separate from the AquaNotes software.

wpnorton
05/25/2009, 07:56 PM
Hmmmm..... That does't make sense to me. If Apex isn't supported by aquanotes, it seems that the aquanotes app wouldn't be compatible either....but I'm no techie so I might be way off course.

wpnorton
05/25/2009, 08:00 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15075507#post15075507 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ah30k
The iPhone app is totally separate from the AquaNotes software. .

OK. That makes more sense. Thanks

Creetin
05/26/2009, 04:37 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15072603#post15072603 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clp
xinumaster

I've just checked orders that have come in, and sales tax is calculated correctly, and is only charged once. The shopping cart system just a strange way of displaying the invoice total.

eran,
The Apex base unit has 4 variable speeds ports (like AquaSurf), however, it does include the RJ45 to Din5 cables. If you'd like those they have to be purchased separately. Either part #SURFCAB2, SURFDIMCAB, or DIMCAB2 depending on your needs.

Curt


So i would need to purchase 2 of these to controll 4 tunze's and one to controll 2?? My order is in just want to make sure i am good to go when it arrives.

2 Channel Apex to Stream Cable





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