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JonnyRoe
04/03/2009, 08:24 PM
Hi,

I have an angel and a blue hippo that seem to be looking differently recently. Both are in separate quarantine tanks currently. The angel has pale white splotches or dots on its side and face which appear and disappear in different places. There may be a couple tiny holes around his face and eyes, but they may be other splotches. Its acting maybe a little lethargic recently, but nothing like I've experienced with other fish I've kept when they get sick. Its not breathing heavy, its gills look ok, fins look good, it may be a little bloated and what really made me put it in quarantine is that its feces stuck and hung on him yesterday for some time. I first noticed the splotches about a week ago when there was a large one on his right side.

Now for the tang the same thing happened with the feces yesterday. He doesn't have any splotches or paleness like the angel. His tail and dorsal fin are frayed or look beaten up. He doesn't act strange either. They both eat fine too.

Tank Parameters:

Temp = 79.5F (78-81)Daily
Ca = 270 ppm (yes, surprisingly low)
Alk = 10.4 dKH, 3.76 meq/L
pH = 8.1
PO4 = 0
NH3 = 0
NO3 = 0
O2 = 8 mg/L
Mg = 1400 ppm

Both of these fish were quarantined before placing them into my 75g. I got them when they were very small and have grown in this tank for 2 years now. It seems strange they would get sick now. I did have fish in the same tank before them and some of them got sick from something but I never found out what or definitely got rid of it.

Thanks for any help, I love these two guys.

RockinSmall
04/03/2009, 09:02 PM
Lateral Line Disease Perhaps??

jer77
04/03/2009, 09:55 PM
Ya I had the same thing with my angel and it was HLLE

JonnyRoe
04/03/2009, 09:58 PM
Isn't there anything that will help me identify what it has, even on this site there isn't much?

187ALLDAY
04/03/2009, 10:20 PM
can you get a pic

jer77
04/03/2009, 10:31 PM
A pic would help to see what the splotches look like. And it might have some kind of internal parasite if it has stringy poop.

JonnyRoe
04/03/2009, 10:50 PM
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/217088angel.jpg

Fazulka
04/04/2009, 06:27 AM
From the picture it looks like Ich. Check out this thread:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1500214

JonnyRoe
04/06/2009, 11:20 PM
I really don't think this is ich. It first appeared 2 weeks ago as a large discoloration on one side. It disappeared and has come back as smaller discolorations, but none are as small as ich and they are not lumps. It just seems like its the fish's skin, not on top of the skin. The fish is not really acting different or scratching at all. And its been like this for 2 weeks or longer.

I've been feeding him ocean nutrition angel formula, spirulina formula, PE mysis and Rod's herbivore formula. I add Omega 3 and vitamins too.

Since the last post I haven't seen them have any problems with the poop sticking to them.

The tang in the tank seems fine and shows no discoloration at all.

JonnyRoe
04/07/2009, 04:00 PM
Today it is no different; the angel still has these spots. Does anyone have any other ideas?

JonnyRoe
04/07/2009, 06:20 PM
I took these pictures today. Both the tang and the angel have this stringy stuff hanging out of their poo hole. The angel got a larger discoloration above it's right eye too. So I'm really thinking this is some sort of internal parasite, but I'm not sure if that's the only thing wrong with them. I'd really like to start to treat these fish with something to help them, but I don't know how or with what. Any input is greatly appreciated.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/217088DSC_0108.JPG

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/21708888.jpg

JonnyRoe
04/11/2009, 09:59 AM
This is beginning to become frustrating to have not the faintest idea on what's happening to my emperor angel. He is still alive and seemingly good. He's active and eating well. Although these spots keep appearing and disappearing. They seem to appear towards the late afternoon and evening and disappear somewhat when I feed him at night. The tiny holes, it appears to be, around his head are also frustrating because HLLE is probably to blame, but I'm taking all the precautions against it, and always have, but they are appearing at an astonishing fast rate. And also the stringy poop now and again all adds up to something suspicious, but that something seems to be hard to define. I'm beginning to think the 75 gallon tank may be becoming too small for them and this may be partly to blame. The problem is I can't put them into my 180 gallon tank without knowing they are free of any disease that will spread and infect my other fish. So all and all I really don't know what to do. Any help or ideas or questions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

JonnyRoe
04/11/2009, 08:55 PM
I'm really surprised no one has any information on this. Here are some more pics today.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/2170884_11_09-3.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/2170884_11_09-2.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/2170884_11_09.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/2170884_11-2.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/2170884_11.jpg

kidako
04/12/2009, 06:54 PM
could be a combination of inter/external infection,infestation.
Are you medicating ? I would be treating for bacterial,fungl and parasitic diseases .
Did you disinfect the tank from the fish you had befor that were sick ?