coming everybody

[newron6]

i am omer from israel i post here that you can give help to build my coral aquarium
my aquarium zise that i think about is 78x31x27
my return pump from the sump is sunsun pump jp-10000 l/ hr
http://www.aqua.org.il/forums/album.php?albumid=347&pictureid=2890
http://www.aqua.org.il/forums/album.php?albumid=347&pictureid=2891
http://www.aqua.org.il/forums/album...&pictureid=2892

my lighiting is 48" giesemann with 250 wattx2 Megachrome 13000k and 4 t-5 54 watt with se and not de

( i dont buy yet so i think with you...)

i know a lot about reefkeeping but not so much , i see that i need to add more powerheads to my tank what you recommend?
how much thickness my sand should be? how much do i need to split my return pump and where? how to build the overflow? how should the sump should look like?
i need a lot information and i alredy read a lot article here but i dont know what the best way to operate my system
i need the most chip way to keeping beautiful corals in my tank i dont save money in my equipment but the way to keep corals in the best way save money i like it... give me your help and i send you my picture and a lot of thanks message here....
i realy want answer that i can know a lot and save my money if you love to help please does in the best way.... this is a big fourm and i dont know many of you so probably is difficult to help me.

[newron6]

:o

[newron6]

:mad:

[WaterKeeper]

Hi Omer,

Ok you have a 283 gallon (1072 liter) tank. Your return rate is a little less than 10X and you are considering at total of 720 watts of mixed lighting and, you are on a budget. As are most reefkeepers. :D

What we need to know is what type of corals you wish to keep and is the tank going to house fish as well? It is a moderately deep tank and that lighting will not sustain high light corals or things like anemones or clams. For those, you may consider looking at 400 watt MH lamps instead. You live in a warm country and do you have air conditioning in your home? High wattage lights will need a chiller if you don't.

You probably need to consider using a closed loop system to up that circulation rate to about twice what you have now. As to cheap corals; I'm not sure if there are reef clubs in Israel but I suspect there are. They are always a good source of obtaining specimens without paying huge shipping charges.

P.S. You need to give us a little time to reply as we have a slight language barrier here and my Hebrew is poor.

[BeginnerReefer]

Do you have your tank set up yet? I see you do have some experience. From what I've heard you need probably 3 to 4 watts per gallon. If your tank is deeper you'll probably need a little more than that to make sure you adequately lighting all the way to the bottom.

Hope I helped! =]

[newron6]

well is true i need air condition, my living room has my room not what you suggest ( cheap way)
what do you think on my pump i buy?
is cost me 214$ new is worth the money ? is china
my sand is nature ocean and is cost 71$ for 39 pound
so put 2,3,4 400 meal?
is it enough light ?
i dont have experience with coral but i want that the tank will kook good please help to to choose cheap fish&corals population that can live longer and is cheap to hold with the equipment
so any good advice to reduce the money of the tank operate will help with good easy and cheap population

Hobby Experience: not 6 years

[Sisterlimonpot]

Have you checked for a reef club near you?

[WaterKeeper]

I would think some Mediterrain sand might fit the bill as you are going to need a lot more than 39 lbs. You want about 4" so it would break you budget just buying sand and live rock.

This may help
Water (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-10/newbie/index.php)
Tank Selection (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-11/newbie/index.php)
Lighting (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-12/newbie/index.php)
Sumps (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-01/newbie/index.php)
Completing The Set-up (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-02/newbie/index.php)
Natural Filtration I (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-04/newbie/index.php)
Natural Filtration II (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-05/newbie/index.php)
Natural Filtration III (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-06/newbie/index.php)
Various Nutrient Control Methods (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-10/newbie/index.php)
Adding Some Science to Your Tank, Part 1 (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-11/newbie/index.php)
Adding Some Science to Your Tank, Part 2 (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-12/newbie/index.php)

[newron6]

you think 4" is good?
took sand from the Mediterrain is polluted
do you think to take live sand from the Mediterrain
i buy only dry sand nature ocean

[newron6]

i realy dont know what is the best thickness sand
live or dry?
rough or gentle sand?
so 2x400 watt metal will be good?
what the best population and cheap?
deltec ap 702 will be good for me?
what about circulation in the tank? what to buy and how much liter for hour?
what do you think of the dammation of the tank?
what about the sump how is should look like?

[newron6]

why everybody have 6000 reply and i have 50?

[Sisterlimonpot]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14833301#post14833301 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
why everybody have 6000 reply and i have 50?
Those are veiws.

I would suggest reading what waterkeeper has posted to get a good idea of what want and what you need. those are packed full of great information.

[newron6]

i read but i still have question
i see that you recommand on 400 watt i build diy light with 400 watt x 2 or 3? and how many t5 should i add
in the long timm what is the equipment that i need to cheap population and method for corals?
i build 25 galon refugim with xesnia , what do you think?
and add 2 wave box tunze?

[newron6]

:)

[Whys]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14832963#post14832963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WaterKeeper
you are on a budget. As are most reefkeepers. :D
I really like top-ramen. :D

[newron6]

no body answer:eek1:

[Whys]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14833281#post14833281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
i realy dont know what is the best thickness sand
live or dry?
rough or gentle sand?
Dry is fine, live is expensive and not needed. If you want a deep sand bed, then 10 to 15 cm of mostly gentle fine sand.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14833281#post14833281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
so 2x400 watt metal will be good?
If you want to keep LPS or SPS corals, you will need more light for that size tank. For SPS, more like 4x400w or more.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14833281#post14833281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
what about circulation in the tank? what to buy and how much liter for hour?
You'll want at least 20x your display tank volume, so... 20000 liters per hour or more.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14833281#post14833281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
what do you think of the dammation of the tank?
what about the sump how is should look like?

All reef tanks be damned. :D

Sumps:
http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html

Hope this helps. But honestly, with the money you'll be spending on a tank that size, you might as well hire a good reef-keeper to build it for you. :)

[Whys]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14835830#post14835830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
no body answer:eek1:
First rule of reef-keeping: patience.
Second rule of reef-keeping: patience.
Third rule of reef-keeping: re-read rules 1 and 2.

[newron6]

i want cheap beautiful population of corals to keep and matain

[Whys]

Here is what you want. :)

http://www.rockandwatercoral.com/?gclid=CN--tfah9ZkCFRwDagodSnPrRA

http://www.marineandreef.com/Aquarium_Decor_Fish_Aquarium_Decor_Saltwater_Aquarium_Decor_s/100.htm?gclid=CJLkguuh9ZkCFRMUagodYzrBQw

[Sugar Magnolia]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14835880#post14835880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by newron6
i want cheap beautiful population of corals to keep and matain Cheap corals are the ones you can get from local reefers. ;) Unfortunately, reefkeeping is an expensive hobby, so prepare to spend alot of money.

[Sisterlimonpot]

I like Whys' suggestion. it'll keep cost down to a minimum.

[Whys]

^^^ You flirt, I'm married! :]

[newron6]

aquarium- 200 c"m long
70 C"m width
85 c"m high

sump/refugim - i want some sketching a sump with build in refiugm
bubble trapper in sump its important?
my pump will sitting in the water in the sump, and will splitt 4 holes in the back side like cloose loop but npt from the from the bottom

lighting 3x400 watt metal+ 4 t 5 8o watt

2 wavebox tunze that sit in the overflow with 2 holes in the overflow , the overflow location is in all the side of the tank

cooling 1 hp hailea hc100a model
3 jager heating 1 150 2 250 3 300 each watt

about corals because of my budget and experience i deside to go step by step level
1. mushroom chirismes tree ,zetoit , xesania, polypim etc ?
afther sucsses in this level
2. soft etc?
3. brain corals and lps
4. sps ,clams( etc?= what you will add this step)
so what will be the best method ,equipment ,additive , food to keep those corals in step one
each step the same question...

[newron6]

:rolleyes:

[Sugar Magnolia]

Bump TTT for Omer.

[newron6]

:o

[Whys]

Yes, the bubble trap is very important.

I strongly recommend you consider an external pump for a tank that size. External pumps are more powerful and add less heat to the water.

I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "will splitt 4 holes in the back side like cloose loop but npt from the bottom". Remember that when your pump is off, any water in your display tank that is above the return outlets will drain to your sump. So if you place the 4 holes in the back near the bottom, your entire tank will drain and your sump will overflow and your corals will die. If you wish to have a "closed loop" then I recommend putting in an actual closed loop separate from your return pump. This way the return pump outlet can be at the top of your tank and won't drain to the sump when the pump is off. A closed loop can still have outlets near the bottom because there is no where for the water to drain when it is off. A closed loop goes directly to a pump and then directly back to the display tank, so no siphon, no drain, no disaster when closed loop pump is off.

I hope that made sense. It's a lot to try and explain.

Please show us an image of what you are trying to create and we can give you better advice that's easier to understand.

I like your choice in lighting. That looks like a pretty good balance to me. But if you want to keep clams, don't be surprised if you need to add 4 more t5 80s. Clams require a LOT of light. As do anemones and SPS. Tho you might be able to just place them directly under the metal halide, the issue with a tank that size is the depth. The deeper a tank the less light that penetrates to the bottom. You might need to place your clams higher up off the sandbed and closer to the light.

I do not know what you are describing when you talk about "waveboxes" in your overflow. I do not use them and need a image to understand.

Why so many types of heaters? Why not all 300s? Don't forget to add the water volume of your sump when calculating your heaters.

I do not know that brand of chiller, but it's size looks rights. I don't know if this would be practical for you, but you might want to consider getting two smaller chillers instead of one big one. That will keep your system safer from failure in a hot climate.

Your order of corals looks pretty good and should help you know if you need more light before adding SPS and clams. I don't know enough about each one to give advice on feeding, but you should probably consider a Calcium reactor because of the size of your tank. You won't need it to start, but as you add more corals it will become very useful.

I hope this helps and I hope someone else here will chime in. It's always important to get advice from as many people as possible.

[newron6]

look at this page and you see what i means when i say to hide the pumps in the overflow its looks like this extecly

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1348455&perpage=25&pagenumber=16

and i dont know what mean when you say about the close loop its not right , i think i use in the overflow only with pvc that drown water in sump with free fall and the pump its not connecting to the pvc only sit in the sump and drow water to the cloose loop

[Whys]

That is a very complex system and the photos do not show enough detail for me to understand it.

Closed loops don't usually run from the sump, as this can cause problems. A closed loop is usually separate from your return pump, with it's own powerful pump, and is not connected to the sump.

Tank => closed-loop inlet => closed-loop pump => closed-loop outlet => tank.

Tank => overflow => sump => return-pump => tank.

The sump and return-pump are for "turn-over", feeding water to your skimmer and other equipment. The closed-loop and closed-loop pump are for "tank flow" and is used instead of powerheads for a cleaner look.

My concern about the vertical placement of your 4 holes is that the 4 holes must be near the top of the tank because your tank will drain water when the return-pump is off. If you have a separate closed-loop, then any holes for the closed loop can be placed anywhere you want because water will not drain. It is not connected to the sump, just its own pump.