my poor nemo

[dnsfpl]

it was trapped in the overflow compartment for a week before i manage to catch it and release back to the main tank
after this incident, it has been hiding 90% of the time, within the rock scape near the overflow
once awhile pop out to grab a few bites during feeding time

here is a top view of its hiding location
http://i44.*******.com/2nocqv.jpg

can someone help my nemo please

thanks

[jdieck]

After being trapped in the overflow he might be just hiding from the light, just give it time.
If you had a pair the other one might not recognize it as the partner so watch for some agression, otherwise he will be OK.

[dnsfpl]

it has been like this for days

hopefully it can adapt asap

thanks

[daudelus]

It's a very good sign that it is taking food... I think it will eventually get its bravery back! good luck!

[snorvich]

What are your tank water parameters?

[dnsfpl]

still the same after a week

thankfully its eating

any ways pump up his guts?

[dnsfpl]

here is a short history

after cycling my 3x2x2 feet tank, i transfer my smaller percula(1") from my nano tank
2 weeks later bought a slightly bigger(1.5") percula
apart from small fight, everything seems pretty okay

got myself a pair of black percula(2") after 6 weeks
again small fight happens but still acceptable

then 1 day, the larger percula jump into the overflow
i manage to catch it a week later and release back to the main tank

after this incident, the larger percula keep hiding

the small percula is still happily swimming and fighting with the black pair thou

cheers

[snorvich]

Well, you have TWO sets of clowns in a small tank. That simply will not work. You will end up with ONE pair, maybe. Take out one pair and your problem will be solved. By the way, when I ask for water parameters, telling me the "same" does not cut it. You want help, please provide information. Mind reading is difficult. :(

[dnsfpl]

sorry my bad, the same refers to the situation

water parameter are as follows
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 25ppm
salinity 1.023
pH 8.4
temperature 28

[dnsfpl]

i notice whenever the hiding clown comes out, the black percula pair will chase after it
resulting back to its hiding place again :(

thinking of isolating the black pair in a breeder box for a week
can this solve the problem? will it stress the black pair?

thanks

[becact]

The problem was already told to you. You can only have ONE pair of clowns in a tank your size, or in most any tank except very large ones. Selling one pair is the only way to solve your problem. They are very territorial and will fight until the weaker pair is killed! And all will probably be injured. Your hiding fish is extremely stressed, it would be cruel not to remove him.

[dnsfpl]

my tank is 3x2x2 feet, 90g

is it too small for 2 pair of clowns?

thanks

[ba_reefer]

it should be fine for two clowns how big are they i had them in a 50 gal before

[becact]

Yes, it is too small for two pair.

ba-reefer: he has two pair of clowns, which means 4.

[dnsfpl]

the black pair is 2"
the orange is 1" & 1.5"

[becact]

I'll say it again. Your tank is too small for two pair of clowns. It doesn't matter how large the fish are.

[dnsfpl]

i love all 4 of them

does putting in an anemone helps? as 1 of the pair will host while the other wanders about?

cheers

[ludnix]

I had a flame hawk in an overflow box for about 4 days and a lawn mower blenny for a month. Both started acting normal after a while.

[snorvich]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15014921#post15014921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by becact
I'll say it again. Your tank is too small for two pair of clowns. It doesn't matter how large the fish are.

That is the way it is. Two will be killed unless they are removed. It will take a while, but it will happen. An anemone will possibly make it worse rather than better. Basically, you shot yourself in the foot by adding TWO pairs of clowns to a SMALL tank.

[BigJay]

Is there any way you can put one pair of clowns back into your nano tank?

Then you will have four happy clownfish.

[CeeGee]

Take one pair of the clowns out and the problem is solved. It is that simple. I love dogs but I know that I can only care for the two that I have. That is the reason I don't have four of them. Not trying to be a jerk. This is a simple solution. As simple as it gets in a reef tank.

[Macimage]

There have been numerous posts that your problem is that you have two pairs, however, it doesn't sound like you want to hear or believe anyone, but it's true.

[dnsfpl]

to be honest, i am trying to find a solution rather than remove 1 pair

i love both the pair, so do my family members

everything was alright before the jump to overflow :(

PS i only have a tank, decomm my nano last month

[Ohiomom]

Just an fyi..there is NO solution..especially if they are juveniles..it may take 6 months or so but sooner or later one pair WILL kill the other in that size tank..as they mature they become MUCH more territorial. Course we all make choices.

[Ohiomom]

p.s. I am not trying to be judgemental..we all make mistakes..but when I made my mistake in the choice of fish I gave them away for free to someone who had a tank that could support the fish..that is what I meant by choices and such.

[L98-Z]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15016578#post15016578 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dnsfpl
to be honest, i am trying to find a solution rather than remove 1 pair

i love both the pair, so do my family members

everything was alright before the jump to overflow :(

PS i only have a tank, decomm my nano last month

Then take a pair two the LFS, hopefully get some store credit.

You and your family members will only be more disappointed when they die.

[Twz]

Double post.

[Twz]

I have to say;
4 clowns is NOT to many for a 90.
rather the separate pairs is causing the trouble.
in fact a friend of mine has kept 4 within a 29 gallon successful for several years not only successful but thriving.
Although I would still isolate one pair of clowns, No one wants to see any dead.

[Ohiomom]

Big, big difference btw a 90 gallon and a nano tank. Also, your friends tank is the exception to the rule..and good for them..but it simply isn't advisable..:)

[Twz]

I realize. but I was just saying.

[snorvich]

I think this discussion has gone about as far as it can go. The OP does not really care about whether his fish suffer harassment. So there is not much the rest of us can do to help those fish.

[domb54]

i agree w/ snorvich even dif species have problems once in a while on top of that two pairs just multiplies the problem sorry but the stressed fish may already be unsalvageable after such a shock let alone change in enviro.

[demonboy369]

he probably jumped into the overflow because the other pair chasing him, gotta hide somewhere.

[dnsfpl]

finally my orangy got its freedom

http://i42.*******.com/1zyftk8.jpg

[becact]

So you're just gonna keep the black pair in there forever, huh? It's not like the two pair are going to make friends just because the blacks are in a clear box.

I feel bad for the fish involved :(. But I see lots of things sold at the LFS that shouldn't be sold...

[dnsfpl]

nah...i am placing it for sale :)

[Ohiomom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15025272#post15025272 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dnsfpl
nah...i am placing it for sale :)

Really glad to hear that!

[snorvich]

+1 with Sandra. :D

[noahm]

Just FYI, there has been some success with A. ocellaris in family units. The pair will stay the pair and the other 1 or 2 will remain juvenile.

I have NEVER heard of any reliable success with mixed species or any other species of clown in a tank less than 150g. Your ONLY choice here is to sell or get another tank.

[dnsfpl]

you mean i can sell off both my true percula and buy 2 small Ocellaris and all 4 might stay in harmony?

thanks

[Ohiomom]

NOT in a nano tank..please leave well enough alone and just keep the one pair..:)

[jmadison]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15014948#post15014948 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dnsfpl
does putting in an anemone helps? as 1 of the pair will host while the other wanders about?
Most definetly not, the one that hosts will prob grow in aggressivness as they protect their host. As juvi's all four of your clowns have yet to show their ultimate aggressiveness. It's going to get worse!
Yes many people on here have more than 1 pair of clowns in their tank, some have VERY large tanks (120+) others are just lucky enough to have it work in a smaller tank(atleast for now), and others may have 4 all from one clutch. Just because someone else is able to "make it work" doesnt mean it will continue or that anyone else will be able to successfully replicate it in their systems. Long story short, your either going to need to get over it and lose a pair, set your nano back up for a pair, or simply put in the next couple months your clowns are gonna figure it out for themselves and you'll be able to explain the circle of life/survival of the fittest to your family as one pair will be killed.
- I mean NO offense by any of this, just trying to enlighten you on the situation.

[snorvich]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15026366#post15026366 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ohiomom
NOT in a nano tank..please leave well enough alone and just keep the one pair..:)

+1 It won't work in a 240 gallon tank, I have tried it accidentally.

[dnsfpl]

never know clowns are so aggressive

thanks for the info