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robot2222
05/09/2009, 12:28 AM
I dont have a skimmerless tank but i would like to see some.

xJake
05/09/2009, 01:00 AM
Best skimmerless tank I've ever seen has to be Aquabucket's:

Original thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=893433&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

3 yr. thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1506957

sonnus
05/09/2009, 01:25 AM
I don't have a skimmer and my tank is about a year old now. My stony corals seem to have good color and growth. I have four tangs and they are very healthy. I do keep the bioload pretty low though just to make sure there's no problems.

sonnus
05/09/2009, 01:26 AM
This is the tank about three months ago.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/Tank01-29-20092.jpg

sonnus
05/09/2009, 01:45 AM
Some Corals
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/BananaLimeAcro-small.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/TealStag-small.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/small-RougeMille-Colony_DSC2157.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/acroberry-2.jpg

BFG
05/09/2009, 06:11 AM
Wow Sonnus! Could you show a fts of your tank and what equipment and what not you are using?

sonnus
05/09/2009, 09:38 AM
I'll try to post a fts later.

The tank is ~200 gallons.
- Korallin C-3002 calcium reactor
- GEO kalkwasser stirrer (all top-off water)
- 3 Tunze 6201, 2 Vortech MP40
- 1000 watt heater (no chiller)
- 3 400 watt MH with PFO HQI ballasts/Radium 20,000k bulbs
- 10 % water change every 2-4 weeks (I went 3 months without a wc but the corals started looking stressed)

No skimmer for since the beginning, about a year. Thats it. I only have 5 fish in the display because of no skimmer. The fish rarely get fed, maybe once a month to reduce nutrients going into the tank. I would probably run a skimmer if I added any more fish.

CoRPS
05/09/2009, 01:02 PM
How do your fish live while only eating once a month?

robot2222
05/09/2009, 01:11 PM
the fish probably eat alot of alge . do they do ok feeding as little as you do? do you run a sump ? thanks or your pics , look very nice.

cloak
05/09/2009, 01:19 PM
I'm using tap water and running a Seaclone skimmer. SPS tank. No problems yet. Skimmerless might be next on my list.

sonnus
05/09/2009, 02:15 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14981256#post14981256 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CoRPS
How do your fish live while only eating once a month?

Yeah, I have 4 medium size tangs and they just eat the algae, copepods and baby snails in the display. My tank is not an ULNS and the tank is very lightly stocked, there is plenty of food for them in the tank. The yellow tang had HLLE when I got him and it went away in a month or so after being added to the display. I also have a copperband that has plenty of aptasia to eat. And when the aptasia start to get scarce he chomps on the LPS.

I do run a sump/frag tank combo.

sonnus
05/10/2009, 01:07 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979863#post14979863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BFG
Could you show a fts of your tank and what equipment and what not you are using?
Here's an FTS from today.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/sonomed/Tank05-09-09.jpg
I don't run a skimmer or carbon. If I add any more fish I'll probably start running both.

reefscape15
05/10/2009, 01:08 PM
WOWWY!!!!! Thats amazing! Something to show all those who say that you can't have SPS unless your tank has premium filtration. Very nice tank!

robot2222
05/11/2009, 11:12 PM
it is very impresive , there are more than one way to skin a cat. what kind of flow do u have . why no carbon , do you have mangroves ?
?

Rhizo
05/12/2009, 12:34 AM
sonnus - To avoid hijacking this thread, do you mind starting a thread of your tank. I too am interested in asking a few things. :)

BFG
05/12/2009, 03:24 AM
Wow, I never knew a sps tank can be had without a skimmer. Sonnus, what salt are you using for this tank?

MeVsTheWorld
05/12/2009, 04:30 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979549#post14979549 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xJake
Best skimmerless tank I've ever seen has to be Aquabucket's:

Original thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=893433&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

3 yr. thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1506957

+1 Spike's tank is amazing.

Sonnus: Dam man, Great looking tank. Like the others said, more details.....

I also do not run a skimmer, just a sump with some cheato. Not really a build thread, but more or less an evolution with pics of my tank, just click on the red house.

robot2222
05/13/2009, 05:30 AM
there is no one else woth skimmerless tanks.

fufu
05/13/2009, 08:39 AM
nice tank, but it seems to run a skimmerless tank you need an almost fishless tank.

jenglish
05/13/2009, 08:51 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14981320#post14981320 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cloak
I'm using tap water and running a Seaclone skimmer. SPS tank. No problems yet. Skimmerless might be next on my list.

I think Seaclone comes pretty close to being skimmerless ;)

docalatamu
05/13/2009, 10:44 AM
old tank, but was skimmerless

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc263/donfishy76/FTS.jpg

robot2222
05/13/2009, 01:48 PM
nice tank , docalatmu. i love green chromis.

sonnus
05/16/2009, 11:46 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys. I hope I'm not highjacking the thread but this all relates to the original post.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15002698#post15002698 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fufu
nice tank, but it seems to run a skimmerless tank you need an almost fishless tank.
Yeah, I agree with you fufu. I have very few fish and only add fish to the tank that can survive without me feeding them and the only ones that are benificial to the tank. I'd like to have some clowns, anthias or basslets but I would probably add a skimmer if I did.

As far as filtration, I have none. No skimmer, no carbon, no refugium, no Phosban, no denitrator. I do monitor the tank and would be willing to add any of those things but so far I haven't needed them. I try to do at least a 10 % w/c every two weeks but I have gone several months without one. If I had the room I would definitely run a refugium with gravity overflow into the display.

Overall, the reason I have my tank is for the coral. I do enjoy my fish but they are mostly there for algae/aiptasia/pest control.

polyped
05/16/2009, 11:56 PM
My tank has been up for about a year and a half just a hang on refugium 4 fish 10% weekly water change and I do feed daily...

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5631.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5633.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5637.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5642.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5645.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5654.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5656.jpg

polyped
05/16/2009, 11:57 PM
I dont run a skimmer either

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5515.jpg

polyped
05/17/2009, 12:04 AM
sonnus those colors are amazing are the photos retouched? do you use zeo?

edit: I guess they have to be retouched since the background is pitch black

sonnus
05/17/2009, 12:05 AM
Nice tank polyped, looks very clean.

sonnus
05/17/2009, 12:10 AM
Thanks polyped. No photoshop, I do use the Vivid setting on my camera. White balance is also adjusted through the camera.

No Zeovit either. I do dose magnesium and iodide and thats it. I have some potassium that someone gave me but I never added any because i couldn't really get good results from the potassium test kit.

robot2222
05/17/2009, 03:48 AM
nice fish selection polyped, this thread is getting better and better. i love those coperband butterflys.

robot2222
05/17/2009, 03:54 AM
wow that is a really deep sand bed ............. do you have alot of critters in dsb? do you use additives?

polyped
05/17/2009, 10:54 AM
Yeah I have a ton of life in my tank: Amphipods, copepods, worms (if they can escape my CBB) tons of mico stars and baby bristle starts, etc. etc. I use tropic marin salt, Kent liquid Ca2+, Kent super buffer dkh, Bionic Alk, Seachem reef Ca2+, and Kalk in my top off water to keep my Alk and Ca2+ in line. It is tireless work so I cant wait to set up my new tank w/ Ca2+ reactor. I will add Lugols from time to time as well.

Fishlips2
05/18/2009, 02:32 PM
Here's my skimmerless 120g, no sump or refugium. 19 fish.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530120_full_tank_may_2009.JPG

bebereef
05/19/2009, 04:28 AM
Fishlips2, wow very nice setup. I would like to know more about it.

Fishlips2
05/19/2009, 07:34 AM
2 X 250w metal halides. Dose 2 DIY part. 10% water changes every week or two. 3 to 6" sand bed depending where the engineer gobies dig. About an even split of soft, lps, and sps. Anything else you'd like to know? Had my clown about 10years :)

robot2222
05/19/2009, 11:33 AM
since i started this thread here have been alot of beutifull tanks but none with the with the fish load or even near the amount of fish that [fishlips ] has . i would love to see more photos of your tank . what kind of fish do you have ,yand how do you keep your nitrates down ? seems like you are on to something .

Fishlips2
05/19/2009, 03:48 PM
My Fish List:
Blue Eyed Cardinal 8
Zebra Dartfish 1
Ocelaris Clown 2
Engineer Goby 3 Pholidichthys Leucotaenia
Yellow Tang 1
Manderin 1
Tiger Goby 1 (the little transparent guys)
Algae Blenny 1
Fairy Wrasse 1

So most of the fish are on the smaller side.
I'll get some more photos up soon.

Fishlips2
05/19/2009, 07:41 PM
Here's a few more photos.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530q-side_view.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530q-left_side.jpg


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530right_sideb.jpg

Sandbed always getting a little stirred up by 3 of these guys.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530mini-DSC_7144.jpg

My compliments on the other tanks here. Hope to see more.

Fishlips2
05/19/2009, 07:53 PM
About my nitrates, I've always measured 0, someone else thought they looked closer to 5ppm on his kit. Nitrate are exported/consumed by the corals and perhaps the 10% water changes. What nitrates are you other guys getting?

bebereef
05/20/2009, 04:14 AM
Thanks, it's really a blast.

silverfly
05/20/2009, 05:38 AM
I love that tank fishlips2-well done!

BFG
05/20/2009, 05:59 AM
Fishlips2, what brand of salts are you using for your tank?

Fishlips2
05/20/2009, 07:11 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15044002#post15044002 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BFG
Fishlips2, what brand of salts are you using for your tank?
Nothing special... Instant Ocean

robot2222
05/20/2009, 10:01 AM
really nice photos

hobogato
05/20/2009, 11:42 AM
five months without a skimmer. i took it out of the sump about 5 months ago when it stopped producing even after cleaning. i do have a very well established 8"-10" dsb in the fuge with mangroves (running since nov. of 2005). fish load is 24 fish including the 3' zebra moray eel. i dont test the water any more, but no algae problems and only clean the glass once or twice a week. i feed the fish 4 times a day plus nori and do water changes (5 gallons) twice a week. i have just started trying sps again, but they seem happy so far.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c329/hobogato/240/DSC04541.jpg

hopefully it continues to do well since this is too early to count it as a success, but so far so good :)

AM41
05/20/2009, 12:20 PM
nice tanks. its nice to see people confirming that a skimmer is just another optional piece of equipment.

Fishlips2, im astounded that you can have 19 fish, 3 of which disturb the sandbed and still have no nitrates. Congrats. What and how often do you feed your tank?

guntercb
05/20/2009, 01:03 PM
Fishlips for TOTM!!! I want to see a write up on his system. Really, I would like to see a "simple" system win. You cannot get much simpler.

Fishlips, what do you have for flow? I see the Vortec, is that it?

Do you stir the sand bed? Do you siphon the sand bed when doing water changes? I see you have 11 years experience and you are doing it right.

Keep up the great work!!!

Fishlips2
05/20/2009, 02:37 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15045907#post15045907 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AM41
nice tanks. its nice to see people confirming that a skimmer is just another optional piece of equipment.

Fishlips2, im astounded that you can have 19 fish, 3 of which disturb the sandbed and still have no nitrates. Congrats. What and how often do you feed your tank?

I feed everyday, a mix of flake, pellets, mysis, Cyclops-eze, brine shrimp, frozen rotifers (just started). Everyday I feed different foods and amounts, once a week I'll make an effort to target the corals and tube anemone.



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15046142#post15046142 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by guntercb
Fishlips for TOTM!!! I want to see a write up on his system. Really, I would like to see a "simple" system win. You cannot get much simpler.

Fishlips, what do you have for flow? I see the Vortec, is that it?

Do you stir the sand bed? Do you siphon the sand bed when doing water changes? I see you have 11 years experience and you are doing it right.

Keep up the great work!!!

Just the Vortec durring the winter and perhaps another 400GPH from the chiller when I run it spring-fall.
No I don't siphon the sandbed. About the engineer gobies, although they do dig, it's typically in the same places. The sand bed isn't constantly being disturbed everywhere.

I feel honored you'd nominate me for TOTM, thanks:)

robot2222
05/20/2009, 03:15 PM
hobogato that is one of the prettiest tanks i have seen on here . nice aquascaping . thanks for the pics.

guntercb
05/20/2009, 08:05 PM
Fishlips,

Is that or was it your 72 gallon bow front on:

http://www.reefvideos.com/

Do you think the single vortec is enough current? I have a 120 too and if a single vortec will do the trick, I might buy one. Two is a killer for me, but I might could swing one.

Do you have a heater in your tank? If so does it burn snails if they get on it? I would guess they would drop off, but I can see having a lot of over turned snails just below the heater.

Cheers,
Chris

Fishlips2
05/21/2009, 07:03 AM
guntercb, yes that's my old one. Upgraded to the 120 when I moved. Are you the Chris that filmed it?
With the single Vortec I don't get the amount of flow I'd like to at the opposite side of the tank (5 feet, might be better on a 4ft 120G) unless I go full power but then the flow was all in one direction. I like using the reef crest setting. 2 would be ideal but $$$, 1 is good enough for now.

No pile of cooked snail below the heater, I did see one fall off once so they might have the smarts to let go.

Hobogato, love the open spaces, that was my goal but I still managed to over pack the larger tank. I think with your 3' moray you blow away my fish load even with 300+ gallons.

blennymower
05/21/2009, 08:59 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15041951#post15041951 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fishlips2
Here's a few more photos.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530q-side_view.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530q-left_side.jpg


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530right_sideb.jpg

Sandbed always getting a little stirred up by 3 of these guys.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32530mini-DSC_7144.jpg

My compliments on the other tanks here. Hope to see more.


The convict goby is one of my favorite fish. Once I tried introducing another but the one I was keeping was pretty hard on it and almost killed it before I removed it. Did you introduce all of them at the same time??

guntercb
05/21/2009, 09:39 AM
Fishlips,

No, I am not the Chris that filmed the video. I watched it several years ago and even started a thread on RC about your tank. I was asking how you could have such a great tank with no sump, skimmer, etc. I am very impressed. I tried to find the thread so I could post it here, but I think it is archived and I cannot find it.

It was the red cap that made me remember the video and I went to watch it and thought it was your tank.

Not having a sump, skimmer, etc. makes the cost of hardware much less. You can then spend it on livestock!

Are tangs and certain livestock vital to a tank like yours? Did you cook the liverock prior to putting it in the tank? I know if I did the same setup without a sump and skimmer, I would have a tank of ugly algae.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Chris

Fishlips2
05/21/2009, 02:00 PM
Got a few snails/crabs (15ish), algae blenny, long spine urchin, and yellow tang that would work on the algae. Are they more important then the countless tiny critters in the rocks and sand bed? Hard to say, maybe more so at the beginning before your tank has time to establish a healthy population of micro grazers.

No I don't cook my rock.

Anyone else have a comment on livestock choice?

robot2222
06/16/2009, 04:51 AM
more pics skimmerless tanks please

Electrobes
06/16/2009, 05:16 AM
Here are some of my newer pics:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4399.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4405.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4400.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4426.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4434.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4435.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x130/Electrobes/IMG_4401.jpg

robot2222
06/21/2009, 04:43 AM
keep em coming ,,,,,,you guys give me inspiration....... thanks electrobes

chinita
06/21/2009, 08:13 AM
Your using BakPak skimmer right?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15025029#post15025029 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by polyped
I dont run a skimmer either

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/mlgiii23/IMG_5515.jpg

bennietheblenny
06/21/2009, 12:03 PM
more pics please, looks great

bhelne01
06/21/2009, 12:13 PM
these are great tanks

kmu
06/21/2009, 12:43 PM
I was thinking of getting a $300 skimmer for my 34g, now Im gonna think twice bout doing so...