The Elos System Project

[elosusa]

So I had an idea and hopefully this will work. If it doesn't, at least I will have a very nice aquarium in my office entryway;) With less and less time to check/update the forums with pictures, comments and explanations I thought it would be a good idea to concentrate on one completely Elos related thread that I would be forced to update. What better way than to construct an, "interactive" all Elos system in my warehouse? So the plan is simple. Start a build thread on an Elos system and accept input from other Elos USA forum viewers and Elos owners. During the process, I will do my best to explain Elos products in a bit more detail. What I don't want, is the typical, "mine is bigger/better than yours" thread. While I make it a point to let just about anything go on the Elos USA forum, I will have posts that are not constructive removed on this particular thread. What I am looking to do is pull from the talent and creativity of this community and make something unique with our products. While I enjoy forums, I see so much misinformation on Elos products and while we go through this together it will give me a chance to explain what we attempt to do at Elos. So this is the concept, so now down to the details.

- I will provide the Elos equipment and I will be the guy doing the grunt work, for the most part. Occasionally I get some Elos installers in the warehouse and if they visit me, you can be sure they will be put to work;)
-The livestock I will purchase from Elos retailers or Elos owners only and I will provide their contact information in this thread so we know where the,"stuff" is coming from.
- On occasion, I will ask for a vote on certain decisions about, equipment, livestock, additives, etc. I will have final veto power in the event that the majority wants something that I simply can't walk by everyday;) I don't expect this to happen judging from all the great build threads in our forum but I had to put that out there.
-After it is done I will update and upgrade as new stuff comes available.
-As a little carrot to keep you interested. I will note the suggestions about possible improvements for Elos products and add these to our meetings for new products. IF any of these make them to next years Interzoo (that were not already in development), I will contact you through this thread and let you know what you won. The prize will match the suggestion and I will limit the winners to 5 individuals.

So let us get started. Here is the location. It is right when you walk in the office and my office is directly behind this wall:
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960new120RC3-med.jpg

As you can see I have an empty new Elos 120, which I love but I have room for a bit bigger. The next size up is the Elos 120xl but the entryway is not a big room and the 120xl is very deep, 31.5" and that will just take up too much room. The size after that is the new 160 and this one would fit perfectly. So what do we want to do, the 120 or the 160?
Here are the arguments for each, as I see it:
120 (48x22.5x20 approx 90 gallons)
-very manageable size. Easier water changes and easier to work in.
-now comes with the larger NS1000
- Can keep a wide variety of fish but might not be so good for the larger stuff.
- easier/ cheaper to light. I know who cares, it isn't your money, but take it easy on me. Despite what I have read, we work on VERY low margins so it is still expensive on this end as well;)
- I love the size now that the 120 is deeper.
System 160 ( 63x22.5x24 approx. 147 gallons)
- Elos "large tank build" with multi pane double layer bottom. This is used in 120xl and up. Remember I am in earthquake country;) and it is great if we did bare bottom, which we won't, but worth mentioning for those that ask about this.
- More swimming room for the bigger stuff.
- More fun and more expensive to light.
- A sump and a dry side in the stand.

So what do think. I will put the system we decide on in place tomorrow at 6pm, so post your size preference and a brief explanation of why or anything else, if you want. One last picture of the new 120 depth.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960new120RC2-med.jpg

[steelersfan]

My vote would be for the Elos 120. I think that it will give you plenty of room to arrange the livestock as you wish. With the new 22.5" width, you will have plenty of space on the sand for corals. The biggest advantage to the larger size tank would be the length of the tank for the fish, such as Tangs. IMO, smaller fish would really stand out in the Elos 120. Either way, it is going to look great. :)

[brians4671]

well Jesse if you are aiming toward the picture in the tank you will have to lean toward the larger of the two tanks. tell us this are there any fish that you favor? as for the earthquakes i dont think i would feel comfortable with anything other than the tank with the added pane.

[LCN]

I have a better idea, send me everything so I can set it up at home and will update daily. JK. AWesome idea Jesse. I would go with the 160 for the bullet proof bottom.
I like the part about getting corals from Elos only tanks. Let me know if you want anything.

[zachslow]

my vote is for the 160! no question :)

[GSMguy]

160 gets my vote

[TheBoogieMan]

160 my vote

[alanscott]

Great Idea.. I am really interested in more information regarding the various Elos Products..

My vote goes with the 160. The larger tank will give you more options when it comes to aquascaping. In addition you will be able to have more fish and coral...

[brianbigoats]

160 would look great i love mine

[Bricky]

How about running the Purist Line? Run the Filtra M through a REA unit, and use some of your peristaltic pumps to add RB20, 40, and 50. I don't know many people running this and those that do have had issues. I've been successful with it and I'm sure you can too.

What about feeding the tank with C1 and C7? I'd still like to try some and maybe with you sharing your experiences there would be more call for it.

[serval]

Great idea Jesse, and for you, why not? I vote for the 120 though; easier to maintain. If the big earthquake strikes, any tank may be history anyway. That 120 in the photo seems perfect for the space. The cheaper lighting option seems like a positive too.

[ALEX007]

I vote for the 120 there are already a whole bunch of really cool 160's on this forum lets see something different and if the big earthquake comes the last thing we will be worrying about is a fish tank

[elosusa]

Did I mention the 160 was more expensive? 120 voters, I love your thinking! Having said that, I am prepared for the inevitable:lol:
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960160120.jpg

[moo0o]

looking good already! also, 160 gets my vote.

[sonomanapa]

I think I'm partial to the 120, but deep down the 120XL. :)

"120, This is not the tank you are looking for.", Insert Jedi mind trick here.

[this is me]

If you plan on keeping that many tangs in the picture, I think you're better off with the 160XL. :lol:

I'm for the deeper width tank but since you said you can't fit it, I would vote for the 160.

[boozeman]

What a great idea Jesse !!! :cool:

My first suggestion is to MAKE THIS THREAD A STICKY
( that is definetely a prize worthy suggestion ) :D

Although the 160 will offer the oportunity for more expression, I would question it if it 'overwhelms' the visual space in your entry way. I feel that a very important aspect of Elos is the way you can integrate the products to fit into your homes decor. The location of the tank and its relation to other pieces of furniture you may have in the room and even the way the choice of door color/material ties into your office countertop are of paramount importance. That way when a potential customer walks in and sees it, they can easily visualize it as another element of their homes' furnishings and not just a 'glass box' in the middle of their livingroom.
I also would like to second Brickys suggestion about using the purist line. It is something that I feel is one of elos most under-rated products. The only good piece of info on it was the one provided by Danillo, and it would certainly be good to see you demonstrating its use in thread form. ( I personally would never start another tank without it !)

[OCRick]

Doesn't matter, they all make me go....AAHHHH....lol!!! :D

[SolarEclipse]

I say the 120! To me the 120 just fits perfectly right there in that spot. It was meant to be there.

[moo0o]

looking through the Elos catalog, i realized you guys have your own brand of salt, are you going to be using/carrying the Elos salt?

[elosusa]

No, I am not going to carry Elos salt in the US. There are a lot of good salts out here and I think it is best to concentrate on some of the other things we do before we do that. I actually just ordered a pallet of Marine Environment, so I will use this on this project. I used to use Tropic Marin and then I switched to Bio Sea a few years ago and it has always been steady for me and the shipping is cheap, as their warehouse is pretty close to my warehouse.

[percula]

Sweetness Jesse! Trying to beat me at my own game? :p

[elosusa]

3:16pm PST and the count is:
160-9
120-6
A lot closer than I thought. We have less than 3 hours and then on to cabinet color and then layout ideas, there will be 3 different layouts I will offer. The layouts will be accompanied by a lighting option. I will say that I tend to agree that the 160 is large for the room but not overwhelming.

[elosusa]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960160inplace.jpg
The doors are not installed just leaned in front of the 160 for color.

[elosusa]

The subliminal "Biotopus II" message was not intended.

[serval]

I enjoy thinking about aesthetics relative to aquascaping and to some extent, aquarium placement. I think in general, putting something large into a space it "just fits in" makes the whole system look small (cramped). The trick in aquascaping is to leave open space to allow the eye to "rest." Perhaps the same can be applied to placement of the tank. I already voted for the 120 for this reason, and now that I see the 160 I am really convinced. It's too large for the space. Just my opinion of course. In the end, with aquariums, it depends on what one wants to house. Maybe we should have started with that?

[loweryster]

What a great idea Jesse, I guess this is what separates you and ELOS from the rest. My thoughts are the 120 is a standard size, lots of manufactures make a similar tank excluding the quality of construction. Yes it’s cheap to light because there are a trillion 48” fixtures. Now a 160 on the other hand is a unique size, yeah you can throw a 48” fixture up there but let’s be creative. A 160 with some fancy pendants gets my vote.

[kc350twin]

Well I gotta vote 120 because I think its the next tank I want. The 160 is awesome but sticks out a bit too far in my opinion. Plus in this economy we need to be conservative. :) :)




When did the dimensions change on the 120? Where can I get pricing? Just kicking the tires though, won't be ready till later in the year..



Thanks

[dgill]

120 for sure... I'm downgrading from the 160XL that I never managed to get online (too deep for the space) and I'm going with a 120. When I heard they made the new 120 slightly deeper, I was in!

Hey, wait a minute... Jesse, I thought you said that was my 120?

[joncohen]

I would have to say 120 also. Aside from its the size I just got, the size of the 120 will require you to be more efficient in your aquascaping.
Great idea Jesse. Looking forward to following this thread.

[elosusa]

Dgill, your tank was never, " in danger" of being a part of this project but your custom stand, well no promises;)
The 160 is in place and it won by a couple of votes but I will consider making the change to the 120 since we had some late responses that pretty much make it even. Hmmmmm.....

[boozeman]

I surprised no one has commented on how much Jesses picture taking skills have improved :D

[GSMguy]

Ok so now that your settled on the 160 kind of... What are you going to light it with? Manta? Prototype LED suncolor? or planet2?

[elosusa]

kc350 the 120 changed a couple of months ago but we just received our first shipment in for the US 2 weeks ago. The new 120 system is 3850.00

boozeman, thank you the camera phone is working wonderfully;)

GSM, We'll vote on it and the layout soon.

So the 160 did win and it is in place. Wenge, Silver, Black, Cherry (out of stock)? With the new full frame doors, the entire front will be this color. A good option in the future would be to swap out the doors for a custom painted door and I have a few ideas for this. For now what do you think for the standard colors? For the 120 voters, I am not working this weekend and if I come to my senses over the weekend, the 120 will be put back in it's position but for now we will stick with the winner. With the 160 in place, I will have to change the entryway a bit, it is pretty big.

[steelersfan]

My vote would be for the full frame silver doors. As far as a custom painted door, I really liked the doors you had on the Elos display tank at the 2008 IMAX. I think that you once told me that you were going for the S.F. Giants look. :) Very sharp cabinet (IMO)!!!

[zachslow]

i vote for black doors!

[serval]

I also vote on the black doors.

[OCRick]

My vote would be for the black doors, I think they would look the best with the gray carpeting.

[SolarEclipse]

Black doors would look best. Very sleek, and it will match the trim around the tank, and the overflow box, so it looks like it all flows seamlessly.

[barrierreefcf]

Black doors +1. We'll send you a box full of SPS frags from our display but only if you get us a container of C1 and old style Conductivity Probes;)

[boozeman]

how about black with a large elos logo stenciled in silver across both doors :bum:

[GSMguy]

Don't choose doors until you choose a light incase you want to color match it all like with boozemans baby blue tank.

[Opsanus tau]

I have ELOS tanks w/corals growing out of the water, I can't wait to add some life to this thing once it's up, running + stabilized,..Jesse,..give me a call, and where the H is that 150 E-power?-D

[Bricky]

Like Boozeman said, how about the black or maybe even silver doors and add one of your stickers like I did.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m210/mbricknell/Elos%20Build%20Tank/Tankstandandlights058.jpg

[rroselavy]

I vote for the 120. I like seeing systems that mortals can afford. Oh wait, the 120 is now $3850? I guess it doesn't matter... :)

Watching you sling these tanks around makes me feel very poor Jesse... :(

[mcliffy2]

I'm looking at the pic of the office, and thinking whats an extra 9" width, it will fit...if you want to make the ultimate Elos setup, IMO, you need that width to create a great aquascape. My vote is to re-think the options and do a 120XL.

[elosusa]

A few updates and some questions. First, I have the 160 in place and have the black doors ready to be put on the hinges. The aquarium still does look big for the room but I want to give you guys the option on fish, so I think the 160 is staying.
mcliffy2-The 120xl would be my pick as well but the combination of getting so few in, and the entryway being so narrow, makes it impossible. My warehouse is the standard industrial park suite and the entryways are really narrow. I am a terrible photographer but I will try to get a picture from the outside of the door to better illustrate this.
Don't worry about the logo, it will be everywhere;)
barrier- There will be no C1 in this thread until you guys get yours. On the old conductivity probe, I might just float a couple in the sump just for show.
Opsanus- thanks for the offer and I will certainly take you up on that because I am fairly certain you can add some unique corals to this project. Call me later about the 150's.

[elosusa]

Oops forgot the question.
Tomorrow I will give you the layouts that I have in mind. In the meantime, let's here your ideas. A few of you have mentioned doing something,"different", so let me hear your ideas. The three ideas I have, while not new, should offer some fun challenges but if you have something interesting, I am all ears.
Just so everyone is up to speed, the RODI unit is already installed and to save a little cash and because I believe there is no substitute for manual water changes, it will be a standard "bucket and siphon water change" by yours truly. I have automated in the past and it has almost always led me to get lazy on scrapping, siphoning, pruning, etc. I am using a standard MaxCap Spectrapure system and I am waiting on the pallet of salt to arrive next week.
So lets here some ideas of a layout you think will work, or won't work but would be fun to try.
Once we decide on a direction I will give you the options for the hardware needed for the animals we decide to keep.

[elosusa]

Ok here are the three ideas, pick one or suggest something you think will work well:

1. From right to left start with the rock work sloping down into a open area on the left to simulate a reef slope transitioning into a lagoon area as you go left.
Main fish would be anthias.
I won't get into corals because I will let you decide this but I think it is a good way to have a wide variety as you can have some high light stuff on the peak of the slope and lower light stuff as you go down to the sand bed.
-The bad side to this is the side view from the right, facing the entrance won't be so nice but the front view and the side view from left will be great. The good side is lighting combinations, variety of different animals we can do and it will cover the overflow a bit.

2. Completely open lagoon with small rock/ rubble patches with large SPS colonies mixed throughout the layout. The idea would be to use a separate elos, "spare water chamber", as it is called in our catalog internally, or for most everyone else in the hobby a refugium :lol: Inside this refugium I would make it a, "rock refugium" and this would help keep live rock in the display to a minimum.
For fish, since we would have so much swimming room, it would have to be some "prize" fish (butterflies, angels, tangs, etc.) along with some small schooling cardinals or something like this to add movement. This could get expensive, so I will start by saying, I hate this idea;)
- Good side, we can pick a couple of very nice fish from Elos stores who can get some very nice stuff. The bad side, the SPS would need to be large in order for it to work, and you would likely be limited to very strong lighting. The good side, is it would give the SPS plenty of space to grow and it should look great on all sides and give the tank some more depth.

3. A single SPS center Patch with open areas to the left and right that I would fill with softies and other low light corals.
For Fish it would be gobies and cardinal or chromis schools in the open areas and on the sandbed, with wrasses and anthias for the rock structure.
-The good is this would look great viewed from all sides and it would allow for some cool lighting combinations (i.e an e-power over the middle SPS patch and two pendant e-lites over the left and right side areas).

So let's get your vote on those three (or something else) and then we can go with the equipment that will surround the idea.

[SolarEclipse]

Those ideas are great, but how about like a two mounds sort of thing. The mound on the left would be larger then the right since, the people walking in on through the front see the right side, so we wouldn't want to obscure that. Both of these mounds would tier up so, coral could be placed on them as they go towards the back towards the tank wall. There is also a trench going through the middle of these two mounds. It is probably one of the most commonly used aquascape layouts, but it looks good, lol. I did like the first selection though where it could get high then slope down to a couple of rocks then to maybe a pebble or two. Oh!!! You could make the Elos symbol out of the rocks, or would that looks way to weird? But in a subtle way, like what you said in option number one big to small but make it curve in the Elos symbol.

[mcliffy2]

I think the next big trend in reefing is going to be NPS systems...you could try and be at the forefront of this movement with this tank, just a thought.

[boozeman]

I like option number 2 with a school of gem tangs :D

[zachslow]

i like the number 2 as well. minimal rock work looks really good with elos tanks and helps show off their great design and beauty.

i think the tangs would be cool, but a little expected.

my biggest fear about getting an open top tank is worry about jumping fish like wrasses. seeing as there are many amazing wrasses out there, i think you should get a variety of them to show people like me that you can keep fish like that in coverless tank.

[serval]

I am going to vote for #3:
3. A single SPS center Patch with open areas to the left and right that I would fill with softies and other low light corals.
For Fish it would be gobies and cardinal or chromis schools in the open areas and on the sandbed, with wrasses and anthias for the rock structure.

My reasons are:
1. I am interested in the cool lighting combinations; new ideas are fun.
2. I like the fish choices; just partial to wrasses and gobies I guess.
3. I want to see how one does a combination of SPS and softies successfully, because this is what I'd like to do with my own, brand new tank (and being a newbie, I have many questions on this stuff).

[kfick]

I agree with Serval. A showcase tank would look best with varieties of all types of coral, not just SPS. There are many other challenges with a combo of softies, LPS and SPS, other than lighting, such as flow and warfare. In some cases, I think a mixed tank is harder than all SPS. I'll probably get stoned for saying that. You can't just dump a frogspawn into a SPS tank with 50x turnover. IF you do have some LPS blowing around when people look at the tank, you are also less likely to have to answer the question "Are those alive?"

I think with option 3 it might be fun to build an acrylic cover to slide over the front of the overflow. You could then weld acrylic posts on to cover with live rock and mount corals on. Maybe make it into a zoanthid totem pole of sorts.

[ALEX007]

My vote is for option #2 elos tanks seem to look better with less rock and I like the idea of a remote fuge

[mmfish]

How about a corner rising mound of LR against the left sided overflow w a triangular base, cascading into the sand bed. This would hide the overflow and add a vertical element appreciated by all 3 sides, leaving the remaining sand bed open with minimal rock and corals while employing a LR refugium.

In addition one could position light hungry SPS at the top tier of the rock mound and hide power-heads in the rock. Small caves and openings in the rock face would welcome fish activity still leaving an option for a few large fish.

[elosusa]

Good idea MMfish and more or less this is what I was talking about with option 1. This would be a good way to integrate the NPS corals in the caves, as well.

[mmfish]

I think a complex arrangement of tiered rocks would add visual appeal to the otherwise bland LR pile. Outcropping would support SPS at the higher levels with some aspect even breaking the surface. Positioning a power head up high would create mild wave action against it.

[boozeman]

any updates ?

[elosusa]

Sorry not to update, though we still need some more input on the layout. It seems that most prefer the really open layout of #2? In the meantime got some new stuff in today and I think there is a thing or two that we can use for this project but as you all know this stuff is, "much fragile", so let me get back to work :lol:
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960much-fragile-med.jpg

Lighting will be next...........

[loweryster]

Nice!

[spleen93]

Love the "much fragile" sign!

[Rennsport]

Wow, a timely and cool thread indeed!

I am planning my next tank now, a 90-110g rimless tank for our living room.

Subscribed!

[boozeman]

MUCH TEASE :D

[Opsanus tau]

This under the ledge!


http://02ceb63.netsolstores.com/phyllangiaamericana.aspx

[elosusa]

there you go.

[Gen21]

Hi...

Thinking about the tank.. I noticed that you'll go with 160 model.. I think is great the size of it!!! but... will you got some distortion for the glass thickness between 120XL and 160?¿

Will you use something to cover the white back wall?¿

[moondoggy4]

When I read that you had to be an Elos owner to participate my heart sunk, then I remembered that I own a Elos Mg test kit, so I guess I'm in. So I vote for the Elos Mg test kit I know I am early but if I win it would be grand.

[Dave@ARA]

[violation]

[Dave@ARA]

Jess,
What lighting have you settled on?

[Red Sea Purple Tang]

Much Fragile....awesome!

[elosusa]

Sorry for not updating lately. I have moved a little on this and haven't taken pictures and I will after this week, when things settle down a bit. I have not decided on the light, that will be up to you all but I have done a little work on the sump(s) and I have an idea for cleaning up some plumbing that should be cool. Right now there is one main sump and in the other side a REA 120 Plus and a rock refugium lit by an elos e-lite using the suspension kit for the e-lite. I will get some pictures of the progress. We've had 3 shipments in, in the last 2 weeks and one was an absolute nightmare, with customs losing pallets and having to make 3 deliveries to our warehouse for this one shipment. Because Italy is closed in August these are busy times for us, preparing for August, so thanks for not ragging on me too much for the delays between updates. The fun stuff will be coming soon, I promise.

[elosusa]

So here is a few pictures to update.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-project020.jpg
As you can see, I am going to use a NS2000 instead of the included NS1000. While the NS1000 will be more than enough for this system, I had this here so why not?

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-project022-med.jpg
A closer look at the NS2000. This particular one has some white accents. As with all NS skimmers it comes with a standard eheim pump, though just about any pump will work. If you notice the water and air inlet is on the right side, which would not work with the sump as it is. To fix this, you just need to remove the quick release injector, unscrew the 4 nylon screws and turn the top to the other side. Some look at the 4 screws and think that you need to undo these every time you need to clean the cup and thankfully this is not the case. To remove the cup you simply lift it off, nothing is holding it on, just machined perfectly and resting on an o-ring to seal it.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-project021.jpg
Just a little hint of what is going to be happening on the right side. If you notice in the right side, I have placed an Elos spare water chamber (lrg) and an elos e-lite in brushed aluminum with the hanging kit option. Because the Elos stand has a top I can drill the hanging kit to it and use this spare water chamber as a mostly rock refugium on a reverse light cycle using the e-lite that can of course, be raise or lowered as needed. Still need to do some drilling in the middle partition but I have plans for that, as well. What do think, good idea or you want to see some more equipment on that side? REA 120 plus, macro refugium, area to test other skimmers, etc?

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-project023.jpg
While I like eheim pumps, I wish the larger pumps came with suction cups to reduce vibration. I had some 230v eheim compacts laying around so I took the suction cups. "So let me get this straight, a 30 dollar pump gets the suction cups included and the 150 dollar pump doesn't?". Oh well, problem solved but I have never understood this problem. Hard to see from this picture but when I get the pumps in, I remove the blue foam as they will clog up quickly and have never found them all that useful over just cleaning the pumps a couple times a year and keeping the light grey cover on to prevent the larger stuff from getting in the pump. The number 1 reason for a skimmer starting to act funny is snail shells or really dirty pumps, so clean them regularly and they should last a long, long time. A very good general pump.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-project024.jpg
Finally, the NS2000 in place. In this picture the wiring isn't cleaned up in the Osmocontroller and the eheim pump has not been added but it will now sit to the left of the NS2000. I had to cut the lid a bit to fit the larger skimmer which was easy to do with a new razor and a small pair of pliers. I put the light in the back vent and a little Elos "artwork" just for show.

I finally have light hanging kits in stock and we can start talking about lighting, though there is plenty to do under the tank. Let me know your thoughts and have a good weekend.

[mmfish]

If you could show more of the details of the parts included with the skimmer, sump and tank, and how they get assembled, it would help. It would also reduce calls and emails as the system assembly unfolds.

[serval]

This is great Jesse; great photos and detail on the equipment. It will really help new users of Elos systems and equipment in understanding them! Thanks especially for the details on the pumps and the skimmer. It's good to know the Eheim pumps should be cleaned about 2x per year (some sources suggest cleaning pumps more often, so this was good to hear). I agree with the criticism about the lack of suction cups. There is vibration associated with these Eheims that is hard to control. I put a little rubber sheet under both pumps in my System 70, but it is not that helpful. How did you attach the suction cups to the Eheim pump(s) that didn't come with them?

I like the idea of the mostly rock refugium on the right side. I wish there was enough space in the cabinet of the 70 to do this!

I am guessing you will not have a filter sock on the return water so that microcreatures can circlulate, right? I am still podering this: to keep filter sock on return pipe or not. I originally put one there to reduce bubbles and noise, but the system is quieting down (after about 3 months, so am rethinking it since I see that isopods and copepods get caught in there.

Roxanne

[joncohen]

Where can we get those those rubber suction cups short of buying a couple compact Eheim pumps? I too have the vibration noise from my new 1260 pumps. I looked on the Eheim website but they don't sell those in the replacement parts section.

[elosusa]

I have not really looked around for suction cups but I will ask back to Eheim directly. If you notice on the Eheim pumps there is a place for them, so I guess you can make a few different types of suctions cups work but I have not researched it much.
I do not like using filter socks on the drain because I think the skimmer should always get first shot at the drain water and then a filter sock as the second mechanical filtration. I am pretty lazy on changing socks and putting them on the drain will become a pain for me.
Later this week I will take some shots of the updated setup and hopefully some new additions.

[serval]

OK, I contacted Eheim/USA to see what they say re: the suction cups for the Eheim pumps we use. Thanks for the details on the filter sock. I will try taking it off to see how the noise and bubbles are with it that way.

[boozeman]

mouse pads make great pump vibration dampners :D

[Tokyo]

I read on another forum polystyrene sheet could also be used. Anyone tried this?

I've cut some sections and put them under my skimmer and pumps.

[serval]

I actually do have some food grade rubber I got (cheap) from the hardware store under the pumps, but I still think the vibration would be less if there were suction cups to attach directly to the class. By the way, I tried contacting Eheim and received nothing back.

[ruggirello2]

My vote is the Elos 160xl, I just bought one!

[fatcat777]

updates?

[elosusa]

Waiting on two parts. Teco TR15 chiller, custom elos bulkheads to plumb the chiller outside the cabinet that will be done on the 10th. I am also contemplating going to the NS4000 so I can try one of those skim clean units on it. They will work on the NS2000 that is currently in the setup but they are out of stock in that size, in the US. I also got 2 coral shipments in that I have put in my system at home for now while we are finishing up this system. The shipment I got in yesterday was fantastic and it is from an elos owner who also runs, www.atlanticreef.com and it is the best packed shipment I have every got in with corals exactly how I ordered them. I took pictures and I will post them when I get this thing going.

[bogg]

Great thread Jesse!

[elosusa]

A little update while I wait for the chiller and the cabinet parts to finish the plumbing.
Yesterday I got the skim clean units in and fit them to the NS4000 and removed the NS2000.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elossystemp1rc.jpg
As you can see, the right side will have the NS4000 with the skim clean unit and the left side will have the return pump and the rest of the filtration. I was thinking to do one of two things and I will let you decide:
Run a REA 120+ or Run elos e-dose dosing pumps and Elos prima line additives?
The REA 120+ could be added to the left or the right side sumps and it would give people a chance to see the REA in action, as many people have not seen it.
The dosing pumps and additives will give me a chance to show this easy system and the prima additives.
Here is a little closer look on the NS4000 with the skim clean lid. I ran it with freshwater and I think this will make my life a little easier.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/113960elos-system-poject041rc-med.jpg

Let me know what you guys think.

[mmfish]

What is the skim clean lid function, and which Elos skimmers will it fit?

[elosusa]

The skim clean will go on the the NS2000 and up and it wipes the neck of the skimmer cup so your skimmer can continue to skim as it should. Here is a video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWUgQDUtPSw&feature=related

[mmfish]

Which size skim clean fits NS 2000? Availability only on the web?

[elosusa]

the skim clean 160mm would fit the NS2000. Yes the web. Aquarium Specialty, premium aquatics are the two that I know of. I believe the distributor is out of the 160mm so it would probably be a bit of a wait for these but that could have changed since I ordered mine.

[boozeman]

If youre going to be using a Biotopus then I would say go with the pumps for the balling method ..... if not, then use the rea.

[liver]

I vote for a REA

[joeyvu]

The skim clean looks awsome....Wish I have mine so I don't have to clean my skimmer....:)

[bogg]

Jesse how will you link the two tanks?. I'm going to add a live rock tank along side my sump and am wondering the best way to do so. tia.

[percula]

Are those child safety locks on the cabinet Jesse? :)

[mmfish]

I'm thinking of using an overflow to connect the rock refugium to the sump by elevating the rock tank. This avoids drilling the rock tank.

[elosusa]

Bogg,
I am using a 1.25" bulkhead on the two sumps and drilling through the partition in the cabinet. The cabinet piece will finish off the hole I drill in the partition and I will just pass through 1.25" PVC to connect the two sumps. For the sump on the right I will use a screen to cover the bulkhead and on the left side sump I will have a 90 degree 1.25" fitting to drop into the filter sock.
Percula, they are those things that you push and the door pops out so you don't need a handle. Nothing special.

[mmfish]

why use a filter sock between a rock refugium and sump? How far down from the top will you drill? How will 1 pvc pipe provide refugium in/outflow?

[Dave@ARA]

mmfish,
I belive the water drains from display into right hand sump,(w/skimmer).
ALL water flows ONE WAY from right-to-left sump, (via sigle PVC pipe) were return pump delivers water back to display.

[mmfish]

Thank you it makes sense to always consider an element of filtration as part of a whole one-way flow, except skimmers or reactors have separate loops. Any suggestions on web sites or links reviewing all of these filtration factors w sumps? It's often assumed that the reader has done this before which isn't always correct.

[mpoletti]

Great stuff Jesse :)

[elosusa]

Chiller arrived. It is a Teco TR15 with heater and UV. I've used the larger units in the past and I have been happy with them. I have never used the heater or UV kit on them, so that will be a first. I should have some time next week to do some plumbing. Nothing really special to do here but I do have the refugium to plumb, the rest is just standard Elos plumbing. I also got some Elos salt in on my last shipment, so we should be able to get some water in this thing pretty quick. I haven't even discussed lighting but this will be up to you to decide.

[elosusa]

Since I will have a chiller and a refugium/sump setup, I will need to drill through the cabinet in a couple of spots. While Elos cabinets have built in full length vents on the back (top and bottom), I wanted to do something a little, "more direct" and it is something that I think a lot of people prefer to do with their plumbing. Soooo, I was over a friend's house who was showing me a car he was working on. I was looking at some of the wiring and hoses going through the firewall and I got to thinking about a better solution for passing through plumbing in our cabinets. While a good hole saw and some commercially available plastic covers will work just fine, what fun is that? We spend too much time and money on/in our aquariums to stop short. In the past I have used rubber grommets when using hard plumbing but many times I needed custom sizes and they weren't all that cheap and while they finished the holes nice and they reduced the vibration, they looked just ok. Now that we use silicone tubing I knew we could do better with the cabinet hardware without having to worry about vibration.
As with many chillers, the chiller for this Elos system will sit on the side of the aquarium. Having used Teco chillers in the past, I know they are quiet and they are easy to setup so this chiller will sit on the left side of this system. While I could go through the back vents, I thought this would be a perfect opportunity to produce something a little more "special". So here is what many people will do (not naming names, but you know who you are;) )
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86578&stc=1&d=1254798484

This was an old laminated panel and many of you will recognize the chipping edge when trying to drill. Not only is this ugly, it is also a place for moisture to get into the material. While new elos cabinets are a marine grade material, drilling through these cabinets without any protection is not a good idea. Beyond the moisture concern, you don't want to run the risk of weakening the cabinet with a poorly placed hole and a plastic or rubber grommet that will offer very little useable support for the hole.
So here is the checklist of things I wanted to accomplish:
-needs to strengthen the cabinet
-needs to seal the drilled hole and be corrosion resistant
-needs to look great
And here is the result.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86583&stc=1&d=1254799681
Hole finished with the Elos pass through fitting (part# BKH19).
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86584&stc=1&d=1254799681
Front detail picture of Elos logo and better shows the shine provided by the teflon coating that also provides corrosion resistance.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86585&stc=1&d=1254799681
Detail shot of pass through fitting with both "nuts" for wall thicknesses between 3/4"- 1.25" (approx 19mm-31.75mm). Both nuts are included when purchasing this item and if you are you are using this on an elos cabinet it will ensure the fitting will be flush on both sides. Hard to see from this picture but we are using a thread that is based on fire hose fittings that allows for quick and secure threading. Yes complete overkill;)
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86586&stc=1&d=1254799681
Finally a shot of the o-rings and the front once again. The o-rings will provide the protection for the drilled hole.
So let me know what you think do we go with this:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86578&stc=1&d=1254800656
Or this:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86583&stc=1&d=1254800656
I'm kidding but let me know what you think?

[elosusa]

I should note this is 1 of 4 fittings we will offer for passing through cabinets. This is a 0.75" I.D pass through and works perfectly with the elos 19mm return tubing. The other fittings will work for most drain tubing and electrical plugs, smaller .55" tubing for refugium plumbing and very small one for CO2 tubing. As I add the other parts to this system I will utilize all of these fittings and post pictures, of course.

[dieselab]

excellent.

[steelersfan]

The clean look is very important with an Elos setup, IMO. I think that you have achieved this by using the Elos fittings. I am also running a chiller with my 120XL, and basically, it looks very similar to this setup. I am just missing the Elos fittings. :) It looks great Jesse!!!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd29/nervoustime/elostank007.jpg

[Unique Corals]

Very sleek and aesthetically pleasing, looks great Jesse. Definitely going to have to get some of those fittings. :)

[OCRick]

Sweet fittings...gotta luv Elos!!! :)

[liver]

That is freaking cool, I need the drain tubing and return tubing for sure!

[joeyvu]

I think I will go with the first picture since it is so primitive...:) Man...You always have great thing to show off....I think the black hose like Steelerfans would look better with that Elos blue rings. I have to find the black hose first, and then order the o-rings from Jesse. How much do those rings run, Jesse?

[liver]

How much do those rings run, Jesse?

IMHO those likely fall into the category of if you have to ask...

[elosusa]

Sorry, I probably should have mentioned the price in my original post about these. I just got them yesterday so I was more concerned with showing them off. The 19mm one is $66.99 each and if you buy more than 1, they are all 10% off. I will make a separate thread of the other prices and sizes with pictures. At the moment I only have the 19mm in stock but I will have the others shortly. SteelersFan, is the black tubing silicone or nylon? I love the silicone tubing and there are a few different types of sleeves that you can cover tubing with to help prevent cuts or in our case, just to look cooler;)

[elosusa]

I think I will go with the first picture since it is so primitive...:) Man...You always have great thing to show off....I think the black hose like Steelerfans would look better with that Elos blue rings. I have to find the black hose first, and then order the o-rings from Jesse. How much do those rings run, Jesse?

One vote for the, "primitive look", nice :lolspin:
I'm still waiting for the people who are, "sporting this look" to come forward.......

[steelersfan]

Sorry, I probably should have mentioned the price in my original post about these. I just got them yesterday so I was more concerned with showing them off. The 19mm one is $66.99 each and if you buy more than 1, they are all 10% off. I will make a separate thread of the other prices and sizes with pictures. At the moment I only have the 19mm in stock but I will have the others shortly. SteelersFan, is the black tubing silicone or nylon? I love the silicone tubing and there are a few different types of sleeves that you can cover tubing with to help prevent cuts or in our case, just to look cooler;)


Jesse, we used the flexible black vinyl tubing (3/4") from Marine Depot.

http://www.marinedepot.com/Flexible_Vinyl_Tubing_Ft_Clear_Vinyl_Tubing-Spears-FT1313-FIFTTUVTCT-vi.html

[lamarine23]

very cool.....send me mine, I want to be part of the cool crowd.

[spleen93]

Man, those blue pass through fittings are SWEET! Thumbs up from me, Jesse!

[elosusa]

Thanks you guys. I will be working on Saturday and I will be drilling through the cabinet to plumb the chiller. I'll take pictures along the way.

[elosusa]

So I had some time today to make a few holes and run a few lines. I need to connect the refugium and the sump so, I just put things in place and will wait to add the pumps and permanently run the silicone tubes. I will likely cover the silicone tubing that runs to the chiller, as well. So here are a few pictures:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86999&stc=1&d=1255228763
As you can see I added the chiller and the Biotopus II. Of course, the plastic film has not been removed from the face of the BII and I left a temp. probe hanging for the picture. Sorry about that.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87000&stc=1&d=1255228917
The back side of the cabinet with the larger of the two nuts included in the pass through fittings for the in and out of the chiller. I left the lines long just to be safe. As you can see I left a good amount of space between the back of the aquarium and the wall, I think it is always a good idea to do, if you can. I also decided not to put the fittings on the side of the cabinet, which is possible. While I know it would look great, I wanted to put the BII next to the cabinet and the TECO chiller has the connections in the back so I think this works well.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87002&stc=1&d=1255229495
So here is what the fittings look like on the inside. As you can see I used three and was looking for ways to add more but I resisted;) The two in the back are for the chiller and the one through the center divider is the return for the aquarium. After a little measuring this was a very simple modification. Normally you would either have the sump on the same side as the overflow but since we added the refugium to that side, we needed to run this line from the left compartment to the right side. Without the fittings you could also go out the back vent and back into the vent on the other side but as lamarine23 implies, you wouldn't be nearly as cool;)

http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87003&stc=1&d=1255229943
Finally a really bad picture of the sump and refugium coming together. If you are like me, you will immediately notice the things that you are not supposed to focus on and see the reflection of something that looks like a leg and an e-lite sitting on the carpet. What is it about pictures on forums that make us do that? I almost did what I always laugh about and do the, "intentional, ummm, unintentional cool thing in the background of the picture, picture" but again I resisted. Actually the way I took the picture (but cropped it, thankfully) I just happened to have my "cool guy drill, custom pocket knife and overpriced drill bits lined up just perfectly, as if that is how it was prior to me picking up my camera:love1: If you ever call the office, don't mention tools or pocket knifes, or you will have to hang up on me, literally. Anyway, I think it came out real nice and I am still thinking about adding the e-lite to the refugium side but I might wait. What do you guys think? As you can see I have the hanging kit installed on the e-lite and I was going to suspend it from the inside top of the cabinet and it would hang right next to the NS4000. I have held it in place but with the NS4000 in there, there is not a ton of space and the e-lite is a bit overkill for such a small refugium. Now there may just be a smaller LED light that would be more appropriate, so I may just wait but I will leave it up to you.

Thanks for checking this out and let me know your thoughts on the stuff you are seeing or would like to see. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. I might be coming in on Sunday as well and if I do I will try to spend a little time with this system.....

[steelersfan]

Very nice Jesse!!! The whole setup is looking nice and clean. Is the Elos emblem painted in the back of the cabinet?

[Tokyo]

Great stuff !

Could do with some of those fittings myself but everything is in place now.

[ALEX007]

Jesse its looking good. What are the dimensions of the fuge ??

[serval]

That is really nice Jesse! I love how much space you have in the cabinet of all of the support water and equipment. The clean tubing connections just fit such a class setup! If the elite is too bright, you could try one of those magnet LEDs for the refugium...

[elosusa]

steelersfan, that is a sticker.
Alex007, 27.5"x17"x17"

[flyingphish]

well done my old friend.

[elosusa]

A little update. As we have discussed in this thread, the refugium will be fed by the display drain and the sump will be fed by the refugium, in that order. In order to do this, I knew I would have to pass through the middle partition that is in the Elos 160 Cabinet. Some ask if this partition is in all Elos cabinets and the answer is, it is not, only in the 160 and larger systems. This is done to support the longer Elos aquariums and many people use this to separate "wet" and "dry" areas. In our case, we decided on the refugium, so both sides will be "wet" and need to be plumbed together. To do this I would need to cut a hole in the cabinet and in both the refugium and the sump. So here we go:

A diamond drill bit, a template, ,suction ring, water and patience is all that was needed.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89241&stc=1&d=1257799918

Then I drilled the hole into the middle partition. Of course, you have to finish the hole properly:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89242&stc=1&d=1257800113
Looking through the finished hole from the sump side. This larger fitting will accept tubing,cords, etc up to 48mm/ 1.89". It is designed to fit our drain tubing but it works perfect for this application as it gave me a little tolerance for the tubing as it is very difficult to line up the drilled holes on the glass perfectly.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89243&stc=1&d=1257800171

Then I test fit the refugium and sump together before adding them to the cabinet:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89244&stc=1&d=1257800864

Here is the end result before adding the pumps and the skimmer:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89246&stc=1&d=1257801043

[elosusa]

A little better shot of the end result.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89247&stc=1&d=1257801366

Now I just need to add the other stuff that is sitting in my entryway and I will get some water in this thing. With the introduction of the new Elos bulbs, Interzoo around the corner and many things being worked on in terms of lighting, the lighting decision should be fun. I'll update when I get some water in this thing. As usual, let me know your thoughts.

[daniloronchi]

Amazing post!!!!!!!!

I like it!

[mmfish]

Looks like the refugium will drain into the sump filter sock thereby trapping all the potential live rock fauna, instead of that fauna feeding corals in the main tank. Isn't an advantage of a live rock refugium, or live rock in the display, micro fauna support of livestock?

[joeyvu]

Jesse, it looks great. one thing though, is the pipe connecting between the fuge and sump flexible? If not, vibration on either sump or fuge can cause stress and crack other...Just my 0.02...:)
Can't wait for a new lighting systemmm...:)

[elosusa]

Mmfish, there are a couple things we could do to prevent this.
- remove the filter sock from the left side as there is already one after the skimmer on the right side.
- use the threaded part of the left side and partially bypass or fully bypass the 1st chamber with the filter sock.

Joeyvu, thanks for noticing that and it is something that I thought may be a problem as well, so I do have a piece of flexible PVC to replace this section of PVC. In the pictures and to test fit I used the PVC because the flexible PVC is always curved from being on the roll but what is glued in place will be the flexible PVC just as a precaution.

Thanks for checking my work you guys, I appreciate it.

[elosusa]

http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90187&stc=1&d=1258658101

[bogg]

Yeah! Yeah!

[KRASHPD]

That looks great so far Jesse. I can't wait to see the lighting design

[dragoneggs]

Yeah waiting on your lighting design... I have yet to set up my 160XL. Sitting quietly on my living room floor for now while steel stand is getting fabricated.

[kvmn]

do you think with 10k
i can build a system 99% like your??
about Elos logo in stand,,is that sticker or painted?
can i order somethig like that or atleast stencil so i can spray paint ?

[elosusa]

10K, I believe it is possible especially if you choose another controller;)
The Elos logo is a sticker that I can get for you.
The lighting design is waiting now til' the new year. I am trying to get a hold of something new while I pick out rock and cycle. I am a little jealous because I have a few friends/customers who already have the new bulbs, have water in systems and starting to buy livestock and I am sitting watching water and occasionally cleaning glass;) Oh well, it will happen. Have a Happy(and safe) New Year you all.

[dieselab]

Count me in for a sticker.

[elosusa]

I had a customer mention this and it works great and is free, because I just used the spare tubing from the system. I cut the return tubing in small sections and cut them lengthwise and put them on the feet of the pumps like this:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96970&stc=1&d=1263408523


http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96971&stc=1&d=1263408523
This did a great job of making these pumps quieter and had the added benefit of keeping the pumps in place, as the silicone and glass "stick" together nicely.

[nanoreefbro]

I had a customer mention this and it works great and is free, because I just used the spare tubing from the system. I cut the return tubing in small sections and cut them lengthwise and put them on the feet of the pumps like this:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96970&stc=1&d=1263408523


http://reefcentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96971&stc=1&d=1263408523
This did a great job of making these pumps quieter and had the added benefit of keeping the pumps in place, as the silicone and glass "stick" together nicely.


Great info...

[quan325i]

update?

[Ronyx]

bump ... update?

[michael_cb_125]

C'mon Jesse!

We need an update! I wanna see all those crazy fish you plan on adding ;)

~Michael

[Bigjoe2531]

love the thread.....any discounts for the new year?....Elos is so simplistic, elegant and so expensive..

[elosusa]

Sorry you guys, I do need to update this thread and I will. It has water in it, has been running for a while with no troubles but I still have not added livestock. We've had new shipments come in, working on a new project that you all will see shortly that have caused the delays. When it slows down a bit I will update this project.

[this is me]

Jesse.
That tube feet for the Ehiem pump is a great idea! I know people have mentioned this but to actually see a picture of it is terrific. I will do this to mine.
Looking good!

[teacherthomas]

What is happening with this tank? I think it looks amazing! BUt it has been almost 2 months with nothing new.

[pendraig]

Jesse, thanks for calling me yesterday about my Elos 70 questions. This thread has just about sold me on an Elos. Since I work/live a mile from your office, I will have to drop by soon and check the status on this tank build...and maybe pick up a 70 from your warehouse :cool:

[teacherthomas]

I guess this thread is dead. NO response in 2 months

[elosusa]

Sorry for the lack of updates. I have the rock in place, on a very extended cycling;) Interzoo, the new website and normal business has kept me from spending much time with this but I will update with the new toys after Interzoo is done.

[skibum9884]

Hey Jesse,

Can we get an update?! I think this system is going to be the inspiration for my next upgrade. Hopefully I can find room for the 160xl.

-David

[slovan]

I doubt he'll update this thread anytime soon; he's too busy playing tennis these days. ;)

[mmfish]

I doubt he'll update this thread anytime soon; he's too busy playing tennis these days. ;)

Not true, He's on task providing excellent customer service to everyone else with an Elos system. I ordered a few parts and had them in 2-3days, and I'm in Maryland. I fully understand how/why the personal system gets behind, and remain thankful and fully appreciate him standing behind this brand.

[slovan]

Not true, He's on task providing excellent customer service to everyone else with an Elos system. I ordered a few parts and had them in 2-3days, and I'm in Maryland. I fully understand how/why the personal system gets behind, and remain thankful and fully appreciate him standing behind this brand.

Seriously?? I think your response was funnier than the inside joke I made to Jesse. :thumbsup:

[skibum9884]

Still, I say if he isn't going to build this up and share it with the world, he should pack it up and send it to me. I'll build it up and start an Elos build thread to end all build threads!

(well, maybe besides that tank that's going up in Canada, and ChingChai's!)

[elosusa]

I know, I know. I always joke with the few local guys that come by that I am going for the longest cycling in history. Everything is running smoothly, rock is TOTALLY cured and I really just need to add a new light. Most all of the new lighting will be here shortly, so I am sure I will decide. I am leaning toward two of the AquaTop 60's suspended on Elos light hanging bars, but who knows. When it all is here I will decide......

[Paolo Piccinell]

Hi guys!

I am doing the same thing with my ELOS 160... see picture below!
I am assembling a standard marine sump 1000 from ELOS with a 50cm - 150 litres cube I already had that will be used as a refugium with LED lighting for macroalgae.

The tank will be started in two weeks, I'll be back with my own post with some more pictures really soon! :dance:

[reefkeeps]

Updated pictures please....

[moondoggy4]

Nice sump Paolo How are you going to mount the pump to the side of the sump?

[Paolo Piccinell]

Well, a picture is better than 1000 words... so here you have 3000 words!

[reefkeeps]

wow....simply amazing

[Radar1]

Yo Jesse whats up with this Tank.

[elosusa]

Hey Radar1, I am having a hard time posting, staying logged in. I am sure it will get fixed then I will update with some pictures. If you want you can email me and I will send you the pictures and you can add them?
For the other part of the update, we have been contemplating going to a larger warehouse space for the past few months. We have been in this warehouse for a few years now and I think it is time. So in june or july, I believe we will be doing this and we have already begun the search and pretty much decided on a new location. This has really been the main reason why we didn't want to add any new livestock, only to break it down and move it. So for now I am still curing rock. I did however add the new planet X to the 160 and added a few fish from the office MINI. Now that I have added the light I really am tempted to add more livestock so we will see. Perhaps I will just keep it bare bottom for now and add livestock in the meantime.....

[-=NiCd=-]

Hey Jesse,

Any update on this?

Cheers
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[liver]

This has to be the nicest live rock curing tank in the world...

[Huachinango]

any updates???

[pblogic]

I'd love to see an update as well. I don't have an ELOS yet but I'm ordering a mini soon and Jesse has been AWESOME in talking to me through e-mail about the purchase!