The Ultimate cone skimmer "El Conio"

[Young Frankenstein]

The THING SKIMMER is working for a year wit excellent performance, I will convert it to a ozone reactor with bio balls, my new project will be the cone skimmer....all 100% DIY includding the cone, heres the start :)
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/img037.jpg
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/img036.jpg
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/img038.jpg

Web sites I will use
http://www.flexpvc.com/
http://www.smallparts.com/index/?utm_campaign=Site_Index_Header
http://www.surpluscenter.com/electric.asp?UID=2008031600452315&catname=electric
http://www.tapplastics.com/info/video.php#video16
http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Glue

[Young Frankenstein]

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/Elconio.gif

[customcolor]

here we go again :)....hope this won works good for you too

[troylee]

Good luck....;)

[customcolor]

dbl post

[ReefWreak]

Good luck YF, and I'll keep an eye on the thread. It sounds like a really cool idea. I'm still not at all sold on the cone idea, but we'll see what you think once you've built one yourself since you build a ton of random stuff. I'm confused by the picture above, on the right side, *** is that? Also what pump are you going to use? I still haven't seen a recirc cone skimmer, so that'd be a cool idea.

Either way, good luck, and hopefully this turns out really nicely!

[Young Frankenstein]

Thank you fellas custom, reef good to see ya again, troylee welcome to the thread that will change the way we do skimming.

[troylee]

cant wait to see what you got........built a few myself.;)

[tcinaustin]

Great Skimmer Name! The marketing might be tough though.

[1DeR9_3Hy]

ew ew ew i want to be one of the first people to post in a mega thread!

Seriously though, i hope this works out well...i am anxious to see how it looks put together.

[Misled]

I'll be watching you!!!!!

[troylee]

Btw. What ever happened to opening the weldon 40?????

[customcolor]

snap!!!i better go buy some stock in the weld on company :)

dont worry YF im glad you even try things....so what if it aint great looking....gota start some where

[MSX-Jeff]

You should really give www.polyfab.biz the proper credit for the formula you used in your first post....what you posted is straight from their website (minus all of the hand writing and "young frank" autographs);)

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15457066#post15457066 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
You should really give www.polyfab.biz the proper credit for the formula you used in your first post....what you posted is straight from their website (minus all of the hand writing and "young frank" autographs);) That is correct :) http://www.polyfab.biz/ ... very observing :)

[dcforester1]

I was impressed with that to, another fraud

[dew2loud1]

I was just wondering when the next creation was going to come along, its been pretty slow on here, that is going to be one short fat cone thats for sure.
Is this going to be another little giant powered skimmer?

[reefboarder]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15457066#post15457066 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
You should really give www.polyfab.biz the proper credit for the formula you used in your first post....what you posted is straight from their website (minus all of the hand writing and "young frank" autographs);)

No worries YF a wise man once told me you dont have to know all the answers personally, you just need to know where to find them!
Good luck with the build Ill be keeping up wanting to see the progress!

[Rysam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15459833#post15459833 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dew2loud1

Is this going to be another little giant powered skimmer? [/B]

it looks like its a weld-on super pin ultra efficient high velocity turbo vase. :D

hmm after a closer look, maybe its a bong, that would explain a lot. :bum:

[MattShack]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15461577#post15461577 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rysam
it looks like its a weld-on super pin ultra efficient high velocity turbo vase. :D

hmm after a closer look, maybe its a bong, that would explain a lot. :bum:

:lol: :lol: I thought the same thing. :lol:

[nif]

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/smiley-face-popcorn.gif (http://www.smileyvault.com/)

[Young Frankenstein]

good morning people .......... I have the material ready, before I start cutting could I get some educated comments on the shape of the cone ? is everyone happy with the shape ? please speak now or forever hold you Peace :)

[Young Frankenstein]

I am thinking of using the oven to heat up the acrylic, any other ideas ? with the current economy on mind ?
Since I will use the oven the cone has to be cut in 3 slices.

[troylee]

be carefull with that.....the fumes can build up and become explosive or toxic......
p.s. make sure your other half is not home...:lol:

[stagcrazy]

gl with the skimmer hopefully this thing rocks btw what type of pump are u planning on using?

[OCEAN SIZE]

Lets hope this "tobacco water pipe" does what its supposed to ! *cough*

Good luck !

[missile150]

It will be interesting to see how you get the three pieces the same and then put together. Maybe some progress pics of the process?

[1DeR9_3Hy]

Yes...pics? How did the oven fair?

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15464210#post15464210 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stagcrazy
gl with the skimmer hopefully this thing rocks btw what type of pump are u planning on using? A new disign of the green giant with a motor from grainger. I have been thinking of a direct drive vertical venturi or "DDVV" (thats my invention also)

[Young Frankenstein]

The skimmer will be short and fat, lower head pressure will do the trick, the goal will be somewhere between 200-400 SCFH. This is something I have been working on and is my goal to reach for the past 2 years.

[troylee]

200 to 400 scfh. Is a crazy big number.....not sure a cone the size you are making can handle that.....it would have to have a 10" to 14" neck to be able to even consider that amount of air....are gonna run a single pump or multiple??? Pulling that kind of air is also gonna pull a lot of watts and run extremly hot....are you running the pump internal or external???

[crab0000]

The Green Giant was based off a Little Giant, so it would have to be external. Can't wait to see this thing! :D

[MattShack]

I think the recipe for baking acrylic is 2 hours in a 500 degree oven on broil. Turn 1/2 way through the baking process. Cool for 30 minutes and enjoy :D

[logiktest]

I cant believe this thread already reached page 2 before I found it. :D

YF, if you'll be assembling the cone in three separate pieces, can you make it larger? Furthermore, have you thought about trying to con/bribe someone at a local pizzeria into letting you borrow their oven for a few minutes? It may save you some hassle building the cone.

The last skimmer you built looked as if it had a Vortec supercharger attached to it... I cant wait to see what happens here.

Please try to take it easy on the glue this time though, K? :)

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15469543#post15469543 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by logiktest
I cant believe this thread already reached page 2 before I found it. :D

YF, if you'll be assembling the cone in three separate pieces, can you make it larger? Furthermore, have you thought about trying to con/bribe someone at a local pizzeria into letting you borrow their oven for a few minutes? It may save you some hassle building the cone.

The last skimmer you built looked as if it had a Vortec supercharger attached to it... I cant wait to see what happens here.

Please try to take it easy on the glue this time though, K? :) Yes I can make it larger, give me some dimensions that you think will work. The pizza oven is a great idea!!!!

[Young Frankenstein]

Please people before I start cutting give me some input on the skimmer size. I am making it short and fat so it has less head pressure.

[Young Frankenstein]

http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50350172/Electric_Oven.jpg
http://heatkit.com/graphics/bake/Oven-inside.jpg
http://www.channel4.com/4homes/images/mb/Channel4/4homes/design-and-style/shopping-guides/5-best-built-in-ovens/oven-neff-2-lg.jpg

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15466481#post15466481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crab0000
The Green Giant was based off a Little Giant, so it would have to be external. Can't wait to see this thing! :D :thumbsup:

[logiktest]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15469585#post15469585 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
Yes I can make it larger, give me some dimensions that you think will work. The pizza oven is a great idea!!!!

Thank you.

If it were me, I would get the pump(s) squared away first since you have already decided what your using there (Your DDVV). Knowing specific results from the pump(s) should help bring the required dimensions of the cone, neck, etc., closer in line for you.

[troylee]

alot of your head pressure has to do with how you design your bubble plate....besides with that much air your trying to achieve i dont think it's gonna be problem....:)

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15469710#post15469710 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by logiktest
Thank you.

If it were me, I would get the pump(s) squared away first since you have already decided what your using there (Your DDVV). Knowing specific results from the pump(s) should help bring the required dimensions of the cone, neck, etc., closer in line for you. Let me think ..................... maybe or maybe not ..................thinking.................

[missile150]

Are there any pictures of your progress so far? I know it helps dummies like me to follow along easier. :rollface:

[biecacka]

i am following along as well. interested in seeing this beast. that much air could be hard to get to but "YOU CAN DO IT!!!!"
your water would be super skimmed! :D

[fishuntbike]

cannot wait to seee picture of this....:eek1:

[lombard0]

+1 on the "build pics". :smokin:

[Rukis]

pics?

[cantagious]

How can we see what going on with out PICTURES ???

[fishview]

Any progress?

[Skeptic_07]

maybe he has yet to DIY an acrylic camera for himself!

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15529991#post15529991 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Skeptic_07
maybe he has yet to DIY an acrylic camera for himself!
Lol.....:lol:

[Elan L.]

gl unfortunately i couldnt start building mine. I am not sure how you are making the cone but may i share a secret that i have been taught (not from personal experience but a friend did). He Heated up a sheet acrylic at the top of a large oven then after it was shape-able he put a pool ball in the middle and let gravity do the rest. Then make an even cut at ever which point you want the neck or bottom (able to choose size).

Hope that helps, Elan

[Everyones Hero]

So was the green giant a success? Can someone link me the outcome?

And did the DIY skimmer come before or after the Weld On pump?

[nyvp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15533182#post15533182 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Everyones Hero
So was the green giant a success? Can someone link me the outcome?


Depends on who you spoke to and what you consider/judge success

[Everyones Hero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15534775#post15534775 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nyvp
Depends on who you spoke to and what you consider/judge success

Lol. Do you have a link to the OG thread? Wasn't it supposed to do something like 100-120 square cubic feet per minute?

[crab0000]

Here ya go http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1461998&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

[Everyones Hero]

Thanks. I read through the whole thing when it was happening & started posting on PG 39. It irked me because there were never any definitive answers.

So did this idea die or what? No updates yet?

[Young Frankenstein]

Update video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkotlvRWte4

[Young Frankenstein]

LET THE GAMES BEGIN..........

Step 1 light maintenance of the pump and repainting.
Here's the start photos.

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/DSCN2249.jpg

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[Young Frankenstein]

I need someone to do the accounting, pump cost was $ 50.00

[Everyones Hero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15537900#post15537900 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
I need someone to do the accounting, pump cost was $ 50.00

I can do that. Just need a running list or what?

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15538376#post15538376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Everyones Hero
I can do that. Just need a running list or what? Ok Everyone.....you will be the accountant, keep track of the time also, so is $50 for the pump and 1 hr for pickup, 1hr for research for the cone design and .5 hrs to disassemble the pump.The time tracking is only to see how long it will take to finish the project if someone else decides to do something similar.

[MattShack]

Looks like that pump was used as a sumbmersible. :D

[MattShack]

Young Frankenstien, Just watched your video. Can you post some pics of your tank. I would like to see your thank that all of that equipment is running. What size is it?

[Everyones Hero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15539188#post15539188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MattShack
Looks like that pump was used as a sumbmersible. :D

I agree. I'd either replace the fan, have it media blasted, or find another way to clean it. Otherwise you'll have to worry about the heat not getting dissipated & causing the pump to seize.

El Conio Skimmer Cost & Time Analysis

Materials Cost Date Hours
Gen-X Water Pump $50.00 08/15/09 2.5

At the end of the day give me the hours that went into it. It'll be a lot easier to keep track of the hours if they're done by the day.

[Young Frankenstein]

The idea is to also bring back to life and restore as much as possible used equipment, I love recycling equipment, make it look like new :)

[MattShack]

What about tank pics?

[Young Frankenstein]

Heres the green dragon restored ......... have faith :)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/kourtaks/DSCN1169.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/kourtaks/DSCN1179.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/kourtaks/DSCN1174.jpg

[Everyones Hero]

I'm more of a Heineken man myself.

[Young Frankenstein]

Any comments ? 3000 views and no comments ?????? why this pump and not another one bla bla bla ok that means everyone is happy with this pump.

[Everyones Hero]

I think everyone is just waiting for something to start happening. Not a lot to comment on so far.

[troylee]

It seems your going into the build blind asking what size to make the cone etc......I thought you had it all planned out???? Honestly if you ever make a pump pull 200scfm your gonna need a cone with a 36" base 48" tall with a 12" neck lol.....good luck pieceing one together..... I got laguna's pulling 120scfm and its just to much air in reality I'm skimming 500gal and it sucks it dry.....:lol:

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15540792#post15540792 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
It seems your going into the build blind asking what size to make the cone etc......I thought you had it all planned out???? Honestly if you ever make a pump pull 200scfm your gonna need a cone with a 36" base 48" tall with a 12" neck lol.....good luck pieceing one together..... I got laguna's pulling 120scfm and its just to much air in reality I'm skimming 500gal and it sucks it dry.....:lol: SCFH not SCFM, how do you calculate the neck etc ? is there a formula?

[troylee]

exp. :) go back through the red dragon thread i saw you played in there for awhile, i hung back till the end of it and came up with a little something of my own...;)

i got a 7" neck on my skimmer and it can barely handle 110 scfh...
so theres a starting point for ya....

[herpboyben]

when you say a seven inch neck do you mean width or height?

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549095#post15549095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by herpboyben
when you say a seven inch neck do you mean width or height?
7" wide and 10" tall...

[HeneryH]

The following question is related to my own skimmer but it seems directly related to this Cone design as well.

I am trying to determine the appropriate replacement pump for a DIY skimmer and the pump vendor I was talking to was referring to how much air the skimmer can handle. The question made no sense to me but seems to be related to the comments made here about neck size.

Does anyone have any pointers to reading material for me to learn about the relationship between air capacity and body/neck design?

If there are any quick answers to the neck design as it relates to air-flow capacity I would really appreciate the help. What bad happens to in the skimmer if too much air is injected?

Thanks.

[MSX-Jeff]

60-70lpm per sq. in. of neck area is where you want to shoot for on a cylinder skimmer. 95-105lpm/sq in is the # to aim for on a cone.

With too much air, you get to where the water level is so low in the skimmer body that you build up skimate in the body. You can get beyond that where you can't get the water level any lower and the skimmer is uncontrollable.

Really, you want to stick close to the air #'s in the formula that I posted to get the best performing DIY skimmer.

[HeneryH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549516#post15549516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
With too much air, you get to where the water level is so low in the skimmer body that you build up skimate in the body. You can get beyond that where you can't get the water level any lower and the skimmer is uncontrollable. Thank you!

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549347#post15549347 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HeneryH
The following question is related to my own skimmer but it seems directly related to this Cone design as well.

I am trying to determine the appropriate replacement pump for a DIY skimmer and the pump vendor I was talking to was referring to how much air the skimmer can handle. The question made no sense to me but seems to be related to the comments made here about neck size.

Does anyone have any pointers to reading material for me to learn about the relationship between air capacity and body/neck design?

If there are any quick answers to the neck design as it relates to air-flow capacity I would really appreciate the help. What bad happens to in the skimmer if too much air is injected?

Thanks.
there is really no formula set in stone..the numbers msx. posted are good to aim for this is where trial and error come into play testing, testing, testing, a killowatt meter for efficiancy and a dywer gauge for airflow......it's better to build your pump and max it out where it's not running to hot or overkill and design and build the skimmer off the pump.... if you build a skimmer and try to match a pump you waiste alot of money on pumps before finding the rite combo.....

[MSX-Jeff]

I completely agree....get your pump done, then design the skimmer :)

[HeneryH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15550365#post15550365 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
I completely agree....get your pump done, then design the skimmer :) Except this doesn't jive well with trial and error :)

It is actually easier to change the pump that to change the acrylic fabrication.

...Unless there were equations you could use to predict the dimensions of the skimmer.

Seems like a catch-22.

[troylee]

Once the pump is built you can build a skimmer off it and be very close by the lph it pulls then you play with the impeller and drain tube heighth to get it rite...

[HeneryH]

Please forgive my naive questions...

1) what do you mean by 'build the pump'? Aren't you buying these pumps and maybe modding the impeller?

2) how are you designing the skimmer to the pump with no guiding equations?

3) when we talk trial and error, I am assuming that changing acrylic is very difficult, agree?

[troylee]

#1 no i build my pumps.... strictly addicted to laguna's.... diy red dragon

#2 by measuring the air it pulls give you a good starting point on neck size and heigth.....

#3 acrylic is prolly hard for some but i'ts cheap and easy for me.......

here you go read this it will answer all your questions......
you can build any kind of skimmer you want if you take the rite info from this.....
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1094749&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

[troylee]

dbl. post sorry.....

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15550929#post15550929 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
dbl. post sorry.....
just to add something when making motor blocks changing them by 1mm inside can be a life or death situation on a pump.....test, test, test,....
i went threw a couple pumps before getting one that worked good...

[barnett8]

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[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549516#post15549516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
60-70lpm per sq. in. of neck area is where you want to shoot for on a cylinder skimmer. 95-105lpm/sq in is the # to aim for on a cone.

With too much air, you get to where the water level is so low in the skimmer body that you build up skimate in the body. You can get beyond that where you can't get the water level any lower and the skimmer is uncontrollable.

Really, you want to stick close to the air #'s in the formula that I posted to get the best performing DIY skimmer. Thats the road I decided to take :) first pump and then the skimmer. Question, why more scfh for cone skimmers on the opening ?

[troylee]

More water volume and a smoother transtion can handle it.....

[Young Frankenstein]

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/img044.jpg

[troylee]

I highly doubt a needle wheel can pull 200schf.....maybe some thick mesh....

[lecher]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15549516#post15549516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSX-Jeff
60-70lpm per sq. in. of neck area is where you want to shoot for on a cylinder skimmer. 95-105lpm/sq in is the # to aim for on a cone.

With too much air, you get to where the water level is so low in the skimmer body that you build up skimate in the body. You can get beyond that where you can't get the water level any lower and the skimmer is uncontrollable.

Really, you want to stick close to the air #'s in the formula that I posted to get the best performing DIY skimmer.

Is lpm a type-o? Are you sure you didn't mean lph? 60-70lpm is alot of air.... 3600 - 4200lph

[troylee]

I pull 3700lph no type-o....;)

[lecher]

3700 per sq. in of neck area?

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15552319#post15552319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lecher
3700 per sq. in of neck area?
No the pump its self will pull 3700lph.....you can run anywhere from a 5" wide to prolly a 8" and get good results with that amount of air.....of course on a 5" wide it would need to be a little taller.....me personally I like the short fat necks you get different foam with different widths....kinda hard to explain lol....if you start playing with it you will see....bigger diam. Also allows for a higher water level keeping the body clean and skimate in the neck so its easy to clean....

[lecher]

Yeah I understand all that. I've made a few skimmers and modded pumps myself. I was only questioning MSX-Jeff 's air numbers of 60-70 lpm PER SQ IN of neck area. Probably meant something else, no biggie. Sorry YF for side tracking your thread. :)

[MSX-Jeff]

Yes, sorry that was a typo...it is 60-70 lph, NOT lpm ;)

[Young Frankenstein]

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[Young Frankenstein]

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[Young Frankenstein]

whats a safe paint for epoxy ?

[Young Frankenstein]

To the accountant:

glues etc $ 25.00
2.5" comp coupling $8.00
1.25" comp coup $ 5.00
1/4" fiber glass x 6' $ 19.00
misc pvc parts $ 10.00
8 hrs

please post the totals, thanks.

[Young Frankenstein]

tools and materials will be redily available from HD, the only thing thats not is the 1/2" pvc thick around the 2.5" comp coupling and the 3/4" pvc rod in the center.

Tools:

jig saw
drill
measuring devices
drill bits etc

NO DREMEL THIS TIME, last project I kept changing them and went throe 5 of them, they just burn out.

[Young Frankenstein]

The 1/4" fiber glass is from the electrical section in HD and the 2.5" com coupling is from Lowes, HD dont have it.

[Young Frankenstein]

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[Everyones Hero]

Materials....................Cost
Gen-X Water Pump......$50.00
Glue..........................$25.00
2.5” Comp Coupling.....$8.00
1/4” Fiberglassx6'........$19.00
Misc PVC...................$10.00

Total........................$112.00

Date.......Hours
08/15/09.....2.5
08/28/09.....8

Total..........10.5

[troylee]

could you please explain what you are making there???? what are you doing with the silicone??? making a seal of some sort?

[Russ750]

Yeah, havin' a tough time following the pics as well.

[HeneryH]

Baking a cake?

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15610052#post15610052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HeneryH
Baking a cake?
Looks more like a glazed donut...:lol:

[customcolor]

yeah...what heck are those pics of??? a little description would be nice..

[Young Frankenstein]

Note:

The gasket with crisco Failed ....... will use another method to make a gasket.

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15611034#post15611034 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
Note:

The gasket with crisco Failed ....... will use another method to make a gasket.
What's wrong with getting a sheet of rubber and cutting your own gasket out? What are you trying to do??? Those pics are very confusing....I could have told you that thing was gonna leak....if not today some time real soon lol....

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15611066#post15611066 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
What's wrong with getting a sheet of rubber and cutting your own gasket out? What are you trying to do??? Those pics are very confusing....I could have told you that thing was gonna leak....if not today some time real soon lol.... Yap thats the next step, one of my things is to try new methods somehow unorthodox ...but thats the next step for the gasket.

[Young Frankenstein]

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[lecher]

I give up. What are the rods for?

[lecher]

Are they antennas?

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15611240#post15611240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lecher
Are they antennas?
:lol: maybe he is making a ufo......

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15611234#post15611234 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lecher
I give up. What are the rods for? I am not gone describe every little detail of the project.......since it will consume more time and I want to complete the pump at least within 20 hrs, there's enough photos to figure it out :rollface: :strooper:

[Young Frankenstein]

To the accountant:
start counting for the skimmer and
Add $ 10 to the skimmer + 1 hr

and 1 hr to the pump.

[troylee]

good luck with your build, im to confused to help ya lol.....and im sure most others are to...im out peace..:lol:

[HeneryH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15611577#post15611577 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
I am not gone describe every little detail of the project.......since it will consume more time and I want to complete the pump at least within 20 hrs, there's enough photos to figure it out :rollface: :strooper: You could have answered quicker than it took to type this response.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15612289#post15612289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
good luck with your build, im to confused to help ya lol.....and im sure most others are to...im out peace..:lol: wait .. where are you going? I will go into detail by tomorrow.

[Young Frankenstein]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS FRESH WATER TESTING ROCK AND ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


VIDEOS TO COME TONOGHT

ITS A SUCCESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[customcolor]

that was quick

[nyvp]

I think the rods help get HD TV

[herpboyben]

have you started the skimmer body yet? everything looks good so far. thanks
Ben

[customcolor]

times running out YF for your video

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15616387#post15616387 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by herpboyben
have you started the skimmer body yet? everything looks good so far. thanks
Ben No I desided to do the pump first and measure SCFh so XM or othrs can suggest dimensions before starting.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15616663#post15616663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by customcolor
times running out YF for your video Technical difficulties :) I had to take the kids to TGIF for burgers and got hypnotized after eating the 1 pounder :)

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15615788#post15615788 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nyvp
I think the rods help get HD TV LOL how are you nyvp :) long time no see :) having fun inventing as you can see :)

[Young Frankenstein]

The first video, will go into details within the next several days, comments are welcomed. Thanks.

[Young Frankenstein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ElP2JF99Q0

[barnett8]

Looking good, but which one was the pump that was driving it? The gold one?

[HeneryH]

Is it really that loud?

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15618795#post15618795 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by barnett8
Looking good, but which one was the pump that was driving it? The gold one? Yes the gold one pcx 40

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15618830#post15618830 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HeneryH
Is it really that loud? acctually is louder than that when the hose is not connected to the barb I will do another video for the sound and how I made not so loud :)

[customcolor]

little bouncy on the meter aaaa?? bouncing from 0-100....what dose the impeller look like...you never showed it...looks like a lot of water movement in the skimmer.

[Plankt0s]

He showed the impeller, it is a DIY on page 4

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/DSCN2276.jpg

[troylee]

I wouldn't call that a sucsess....seems like the pump is cavitating and running to hard... what's the wattage draw???prolly won't last long and is very noisy...invest in lagunas....;) I got that beat with a smaller pump and almost dead silent....

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15618992#post15618992 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
I wouldn't call that a sucsess....seems like the pump is cavitating and running to hard... what's the wattage draw???prolly won't last long and is very noisy...invest in lagunas....;) I got that beat with a smaller pump and almost dead silent.... The pump is running extremely cool, very light load, if you like lagunas ,use lagunas :) the little giant has lasted for over a year and it was just remoded, it looks like its cavitating because thats a 400 scfh meter, I will order a smaller one to get more accurate readings.

[Young Frankenstein]

To the accountant:

Add another $ 20 for misc glues and paint and 4 more hrs that will complete the pump and give us the total cost and hrs.

[Young Frankenstein]

I will start explaing parts of the pump project tomorrow.

[Young Frankenstein]

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[Young Frankenstein]

Video # 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g9c-alrU90

[Young Frankenstein]

Note:

Even though external pumps seem to deliver less scfh/watt due to head pressure that theory is wrong
It will take more power on a chiller to eliminate the heat created by an internal pump.
Ex. a 55 watt internal dissipates 55 watts in heat in the tank.
My tank is running cool without a chiller, that a tremendous amount of savings.

[nyvp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15617096#post15617096 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
LOL how are you nyvp :) long time no see :) having fun inventing as you can see :)

All good just coming back have a few ideas on a big tank I may want to build. Saw your causing waves again so I figured I'd say hello.

[customcolor]

so you can pick up a piece of paper less than an inch off the ground befor it lets go....

that needle wheel looks very off balance and spinning at 3000rpm you are straining the motor in to not running smoothly...those needles are to big to cut the air very well i think also

[sjm817]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15619777#post15619777 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
Note:

Even though external pumps seem to deliver less scfh/watt due to head pressure that theory is wrong
It will take more power on a chiller to eliminate the heat created by an internal pump.
Ex. a 55 watt internal dissipates 55 watts in heat in the tank.
My tank is running cool without a chiller, that a tremendous amount of savings.
So is mine with an Askoll skimmer pump. I've never run a chiller with any tank I've had and have always used internal skimmers. Using an internal skimmer pump does not mean you need a chiller.

Another thing to consider is not everyone has a heat problem. We all run heaters in our tanks, right? Heat from a water cooled pump is "free" heat. This is heat that wont have to come from the heaters which saves electricity. An air cooled external sends (most) of the heat to the air which is bad if you need it, good if you dont.

[Giga]

weird

[troylee]

Beyond your beliefs frakenstien those external pumps transfer heat also....all pumps waiste electricity on heat that's part of the game getting it down low.....external pumps also have a shorter lifespan sometimes due to this fact when modded....

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15620516#post15620516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
Beyond your beliefs frakenstien those external pumps transfer heat also....

Yes I agree a fraction of what internal transfer


all pumps waiste electricity on heat that's part of the game getting it down low.....

Did I say otherwise ?


external pumps also have a shorter lifespan

hmmmm not true at all, the world fanctions with external pumps



sometimes due to this fact when modded....

Yes I agree see myself and any DIY selfer does not spend hundreeds of thousands $ in RD

so whats your point?

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15616387#post15616387 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by herpboyben
have you started the skimmer body yet? everything looks good so far. thanks
Ben Nope not yet, probably next week.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15619908#post15619908 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by customcolor
so you can pick up a piece of paper less than an inch off the ground befor it lets go....

that needle wheel looks very off balance and spinning at 3000rpm you are straining the motor in to not running smoothly...those needles are to big to cut the air very well i think also try doing the same with any NW and you will see :)
The pump is running very well and not hot at all.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15620128#post15620128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sjm817
So is mine with an Askoll skimmer pump. I've never run a chiller with any tank I've had and have always used internal skimmers. Using an internal skimmer pump does not mean you need a chiller.





In Miami it does.

Another thing to consider is not everyone has a heat problem. We all run heaters in our tanks, right? Heat from a water cooled pump is "free" heat. This is heat that wont have to come from the heaters which saves electricity. An air cooled external sends (most) of the heat to the air which is bad if you need it, good if you dont.

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15620516#post15620516 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
Beyond your beliefs frakenstien those external pumps transfer heat also....all pumps waiste electricity on heat that's part of the game getting it down low.....external pumps also have a shorter lifespan sometimes due to this fact when modded....
i love the way you quote me and then edit what i said.....
read this again bud!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by troylee
Beyond your beliefs frakenstien those external pumps transfer heat also....

Yes I agree a fraction of what internal transfer


all pumps waiste electricity on heat that's part of the game getting it down low.....

Did I say otherwise ?


external pumps also have a shorter lifespan<< "THIS WAS EDITED"

hmmmm not true at all, the world fanctions with external pumps



sometimes due to this fact when modded....

Yes I agree see myself and any DIY selfer does not spend hundreeds of thousands $ in RD

so whats your point?
my point??? you said external dont transfer heat??? i call b.s.
MY POINT IS I MADE THIS FOR 200$ AND IT IS EXTERNAL AND TRANSFERS HEAT... believe it or not.....:rolleyes: and im pulling almost 120scfh on a lugana aka. diy.. red dragon
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[moondoggy4]

Jumping on the crazy train.

[Spyder_78]

^^^ Me too, I gotta see where this build goes.

Hope all goes well.

[troylee]

I doubt anywhere but time will tell.....maybe I should show him how its done....I see why other members I look up to like a guy a with 75gal inwall left your other threads.....ok I'm just gonna sit back and watch from here on out....I can't wait to see the cone..:lol:

[Spyder_78]

I read the other build thread today, I am hoping this one doesnt turn out like the last one.

[stugray]

troylee,

Now you see how aggravating it is to work with YF (previously OAgios )

I have no question that he will build a giant oven to make his cone.

We also told him in the last skimmer build that a bouncing Dwyer meter does not give accurate readings, but whatever.....

Stu

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15623157#post15623157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stugray
troylee,

Now you see how aggravating it is to work with YF (previously OAgios )

I have no question that he will build a giant oven to make his cone.

We also told him in the last skimmer build that a bouncing Dwyer meter does not give accurate readings, but whatever.....

Stu
I feel ya stu...oops!!!!I'm not posting here no more :lol:

[Spyder_78]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15623157#post15623157 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stugray
troylee,

Now you see how aggravating it is to work with YF (previously OAgios )

I have no question that he will build a giant oven to make his cone.

We also told him in the last skimmer build that a bouncing Dwyer meter does not give accurate readings, but whatever.....

Stu

I understand your frustration.
He did say that he was going to buy a new Dweyr meter for more accurate readings, so maybe your point got across.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15623210#post15623210 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
I feel ya stu...oops!!!!I'm not posting here no more :lol: this your third post saying "I am not posting here no more"

Anyway whats that photo about, did you do that housing or a CNC ? remember not all of us are professional acrylic workers.

Just a reminder.

My project was made from readily available materials.
With readily available everyday tools

Beat that bud :)

[Spyder_78]

Lets get back on track here now.

My advice would be to completely forget about making the skimmer body for right now.
If your goal is to reach 200 scfh then you you should just consentrat all your evil powers on that pump, until you reach that # the skimmer body doesnt really matter.

[troylee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15623673#post15623673 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
this your third post saying "I am not posting here no more"

Anyway whats that photo about, did you do that housing or a CNC ? remember not all of us are professional acrylic workers.

Just a reminder.

My project was made from readily available materials.
With readily available everyday tools

Beat that bud :)
no cnc.. bud so i guess i beat it!!!! try a plunge router with a template and a holesaw and your favorite a dremell.......:lol:

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15624489#post15624489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by troylee
no cnc.. bud so i guess i beat it!!!! try a plunge router with a template and a holesaw and your favorite a dremell.......:lol: I take my hat of to you, that exceptionally nice work with a router.

[herpboyben]

not to hijack but... troylee can you post a step by step of what you did or shoot me a picture of your template? thanks
Ben

[lovetoreef]

quick question on your pump .... how did you remove the fan blade from the motor shaft?? also, does anyone know where you can order a new fan blade?? Thanks.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15628161#post15628161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lovetoreef
quick question on your pump .... how did you remove the fan blade from the motor shaft?? also, does anyone know where you can order a new fan blade?? Thanks. It has an alen key screw, I sprayed wd40, and another rust loosening spray for about a week, nothing, I destryed 2 alen keys and finaly I had to remove the rust with a hand brush. Good qestion :) I assume you are having the same problem.

[lovetoreef]

well, i did finally find the allen screw ... i am soaking the fan blade in 100% clr to remove the bulk of the rust and i am going to sand blast it tomorrow ... thanks for the tip

[Young Frankenstein]

Testing the new NW :)

[Spyder_78]

Can you get a video of the test and did you order the new Dweyr meter?

[Young Frankenstein]

NO NO MORE VIDEOS
I am stressed out

[lamarine23]

Your threads are always good for a few laughs.....I don't know why people would get so frustrated.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15647161#post15647161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lamarine23
Your threads are always good for a few laughs.....I don't know why people would get so frustrated. Its Love:uzi: Stu, Bean and the gang, we go back a long way:smokin: .

Its all good :D

[geo]

If this thread has to be closed for the same reason as the other there will also be people who lose posting privileges.
This is the warning, there will be no others so choose what you contribute to this thread carefully.

[Everyones Hero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15644826#post15644826 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Young Frankenstein
Testing the new NW :)

Are you talking about the one you posted pics of earlier or is this another NW?

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15647618#post15647618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by geo
If this thread has to be closed for the same reason as the other there will also be people who lose posting privileges.
This is the warning, there will be no others so choose what you contribute to this thread carefully.

OK

[Young Frankenstein]

geo can you promote my other thread for "Thread of the month"
I think I did a very good job there. And no problems.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15650225#post15650225

[vdKroon]

Sorry if this has been discussed before but.. what are your plans about bending/gluing the acrylic itself to a cone shape??.. I've tried in the past with no 'machine aid at all' and was really tough... (again, sorry for my english) ;P

[Young Frankenstein]

New video includding the NITRATE REACTOR "Vaktirio"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpiZDy6DQls

And some photos.

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/DSCN2324.jpg
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[Young Frankenstein]

http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr339/frankensteinsk/img058.jpg

[customcolor]

ummmm frank.....you called this a skimmer thread....i want skimmer updates...not 2 pics of a rubbermaid full of bio balls

[Everyones Hero]

So the denitrifier is essentially a sealed container full of media that is fed mechanically filtered water. The result is lower nitrates?

What kind of cleaning does it require & how often to do you have to do it?

[Young Frankenstein]

The new video link again for those that did not see it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpiZDy6DQls

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15681526#post15681526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Everyones Hero
So the denitrifier is essentially a sealed container full of media that is fed mechanically filtered water. The result is lower nitrates?

What kind of cleaning does it require & how often to do you have to do it? Yes eventually after a year I will take it apart and clean off the dead bacteria. This is the way it works.
1. Food or waist is introduced to the fish tank.
2. Aerobic bacterial change that waist to Nitrite and then Nitrate
3. Water goes to the denitrator and Anaerobic bacteria change Nitrate to Nitrogen gas.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15681220#post15681220 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by customcolor
ummmm frank.....you called this a skimmer thread....i want skimmer updates...not 2 pics of a rubbermaid full of bio balls I have not started the skimmer build yet, probably this weekend.I will post picks.I gave this alot of thought so far and I think it will be alot easier to make a cone simmilar to the thing, and maybe it will be just as efficient as a round cone.

[kvmn]

who done with forming cone skimmer body ,,please post up picture,,this thread worstless without picture guy,,,

[Young Frankenstein]

and we will continue this thred.

[kvmn]

what,,,,????????? this thread is cone skimmer or nitrate reactor??? i am confuse,,,,have a nice day

[Plankt0s]

... This thread is a mess. I love your DIY passion though Frank.

[SeaWeed89]

any updates?

[Young Frankenstein]

I desided to migrate just like the stingrays from Mexico to Florida :)

[customcolor]

um shure.....

[webbrage]

This is the weirdest thread I've seen yet.

[Ian]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15710014#post15710014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Plankt0s
... This thread is a mess. I love your DIY passion though Frank.

agreed... on both counts :D

[ERICinFL]

I'm casting my vote for, "Best ADD Thread" :D . Y.F., try getting on Vyvance, it worked wonders for me. I can actually start a project and finish it, instead of having eight projects going, all in different phases of completion. :thumbsup:

[Plankt0s]

Vyvance you say... huh... finish projects huh... one thing at a time huh... I don't like taking pharmasuticals but I would like to have some structure.

[Michael]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15710014#post15710014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Plankt0s
... I love your DIY passion though Frank.

+1, regardless of the outcome, 10 out of 10 for enthusism

[Hookup]

This thread has so much win all over it, and the best thing is you can pretty much start reading anywhere you like... Not like some threads that borriingly take you from start to finish in a semi-orderly process... YAWN...


I lurk here no more, and anxiously await any more updat... oh, look over there.. a blue jay... ;)

[Horace]

The thing is, even if YF developes the best skimmer known to man (I am positive we dont have to worry about that), NOONE could even conceivably reproduce it. All these projects are the biggest hodge podge of stuff lying around. Also how YF puts these things togeather with gallons of epoxy and weldon is beyond me. Honestly YF, IMO you have done nothing but waste time/money and really have nothing positive to show for it. You would be better off taking the work of others and perhaps experimenting on that. I would much rather see you take a laguna and try to improve what has already been done, or some other commerically available pump, and make it better. What your doing, regardless of the outcome has virtually no benefit to this community.

[ihavtats29]

Best epoxy sculpting ive ever seen !! and best of all it works !!

[Young Frankenstein]

Its my glue, paint PVC, motors and pumps :) I do what I enjoy and like, who cares to make a project you like ? if I like it thats good enough for me , thanks. If you feel you have enough skills to reproduce a project with the wealth of information I am giving you, please do.

[Young Frankenstein]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15716642#post15716642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hookup
This thread has so much win all over it, and the best thing is you can pretty much start reading anywhere you like... Not like some threads that borriingly take you from start to finish in a semi-orderly process... YAWN...


I lurk here no more, and anxiously await any more updat... oh, look over there.. a blue jay... ;) :D :D

[Young Frankenstein]

I think I seen a geo ...........post and then it desapeared ??

[huig]

the ultimate cone would be a straight tube as there would be no transition.

[Horace]

NM :)

[Plankt0s]

Whats the progress? You should mount a siren with a big flashing light on it just for fun.