Equipment for New Tank Setup

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Hey guys,

I'm currently in the final stages of designing my new tank, found here New Tank (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1641920) and I'm after your confirmation on the equipment I require and any advice on the following. I've downloaded and read the manuals and come up with what I think I will require.

Lights:
ATI 8x80W Powermodule Dimmable

Water Circulation:
x2 Tunze 6105
x1 Tunze 6055

This is what it will hopefully look like underneath although there have been a few mods since I created this sketch.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/LaptopView.jpg

Here is the GHL equipment that I am interested in. I've included the model numbers.

x1 Profilux Plus II (includes Temperature Probe) PL-0331
x1 pH Electrode PL-0071
x1 Powerbar 6D UK 2400W PL-0334
x3 Calibration Fluids PL-0075,0076
x1 Level Sensors Floater PL-0077
x1 Dosing Pump Unit(4) PL-0354
x1 EVG-AP-2F PL-0058
x1 Profilux Tunze1 PL-0087
x1 Profilux Tunze2 PL-0088
x1 PL-LY Splitter PL-0081

I will be using the Balling method so I was thinking of using the fourth dosing pump for the ATO. Can this be done?

Not 100% sure whether I will need the splitter?

I believe this is the card adapter I will need EVG-AP-2F to hook up the dimmable ballasts.

Thank you in advance. Any info would be great.

Andrew

[AQD_ottawa]

Hi

Good to hear from you

You seem to have everything right.

Please contact GHL if you wish to go ahead and purchase as they can put you in contact directly with the far east distribution center ;) or drop me an email at sales@aqua-digital.com

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15504750#post15504750 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AQD_ottawa
Hi

Good to hear from you

You seem to have everything right.

Please contact GHL if you wish to go ahead and purchase as they can put you in contact directly with the far east distribution center ;) or drop me an email at sales@aqua-digital.com

Ok, thanks. I will provide a schematic of my plans for installation soon. Let me know whether I have it correctly setup.

As for distributors, already in contact with the one here in Hong Kong thank you. Prices are confirmed too... now I just need to order.

Andrew

[Matthias Gross]

wow - this really looks amazing!

do you want to show your plans (and the result at the end) on our site for customer's tanks?

http://www.aquariumcomputer.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15508918#post15508918 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Matthias Gross
wow - this really looks amazing!

do you want to show your plans (and the result at the end) on our site for customer's tanks?

http://www.aquariumcomputer.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22

Hi Matthias... thanks for your compliments. I will post over there too once it is set up and working. I have visited that site frequently to find answers to my questions. Very helpful!

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Below is a basic schematic I drew up showing where the items connect.

Does it all seem to make sense?

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/GHLSetupLinesDrawnIn.jpg

[Matthias Gross]

perfect, just one thing:

you will maybe have to use 2x EVG-AP since the 2x80W ballasts draw a high inrush current > 60A -> you can only connect one ballast to one relay output

does ATI ship this lamp ready for GHL or are you going to retrofit?

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Thank you Matthias.

Oh... okay. I did not know that. If I require x2 EVG-AP, will I then also require a splitter? YL2?

Here are some pictures of the electronics of the ATI PM. I think it is ready to connect??
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/DimmbarInstructions.jpg

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/InsidePowermoduleDimmbar.jpg

Thank you :)

[Matthias Gross]

I can't conclude how many ballasts are used for one channel with this photo.

If there are 8 tubes they need at least 4 ballasts -> if there are only 2 channels each channel has 2 ballasts

yes, for 2 EVG-AP you need a splitter.

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Thanks for that information Matthias. I always thought that there were 2 ballasts. 1 which controls 2 tubes and the other which controls 6 tubes. Anyhow I am in the process of finding out.

Since the driver blank (EVG-AP2) is capable of controlling 2 ballasts, maybe that is all I will need.

Here is a modified version with x2 EVG-AP2 and the YL2 Splitter

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/GHLSetupLinesDrawnInx2EVG.jpg

Just confirm, can I use the YL2 Splitter for the Tunzes? (As per the diagram?)

Thanks

[Matthias Gross]

everything perfect!

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Matthias,

I have been in contact with ATI in Germany to confirm your questions and they stated the following.

Hi Andrew,

In this Powermodule are four 2-Channel ballasts.
For use with a GHL Computer you need the AP-2 from GHL.
This is a small circuit board with relay for cut off the voltage at 0%.
This is the easiest way to use with a GHL-Computer.
Contact your GHL-Dealer for more details, please.
We only prepare the Powermodule for Dimmcomputers. Because every manufacturer of computers has their own shematic.
In the Blackbox you will find the two pairs of dimm-wires for the two channels.

and a second e-mail...

Hi Andrew,

that is right. But the wiring of the Powermodule is with two plugs (2-channel).
One channel is for six bulbs and the other one for two.
we use one AP-2 in our showroom at the same fixture. There are no problems at us.
For using 2 pcs of AP-2 you have to change the wiring in the fixture and that is not very easy.

It seems that the use of one AP-2 should be okay. Therefore I will use the setup as featured in the first diagram.

One more question: Can I use the YL2 Splitter for the Tunzes? (As per the diagram?)

Thank you for your help.

[Matthias Gross]

this means there are 3 ballasts which draw about 180A during switching on - this can work some time but it is more than the datasheet of the relay allows (100A)

solution: order our EVG-AP2-HIC - this is a special version for High Inrush Currents - costs only a little more but than you can be sure that it will work

"Can I use the YL2 Splitter for the Tunzes? (As per the diagram?)" - yes

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Okay thank you, I didn't know about that product. I will inquire about it. It is not in your product catalog list?

That is it then. Thank you very much for all your help. I will post on your website soon :)

Andrew

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Hello again guys,

I purchased the EVG-AP-2F-HIC as recommended.

However, I have one question regarding the connection of the wires from the dimbar to the EVG component. I'm a little confused where the wires with the question marks (?) plug into?

I believe that I have worked out where the other wires plug into.

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/WiringQuestion.jpg

The numbering of the wires
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/DimmbarInstructionscopy.jpg

Thanks in advance

Andrew

[AQD_ottawa]

I would assume based on the information you have provided that these are the power lines into the ballast. If so they go into the sockets marked power supply ballast 1 and 2

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I would assume based on the information you have provided that these are the power lines into the ballast. If so they go into the sockets marked power supply ballast 1 and 2

Ok, thank you. If that is the case, I'm not sure where the wires marked 1&2 and 5&6 go or come from?

Do the Power supply ballast 1 & 2 sections accept in/out wires or only in?

I had worked out that the wires 1&2 and 5&6 go into the respective sections as per the small diagram in the top right. But don't know now?

lol! I'm actually really puzzled atm? :hmm6:

[AQD_ottawa]

Power from wal socket goes into blaock marked main power

Power to ballasts goes from block marked power supply to ballast

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What puzzles me is that there are 2 power plugs for this unit and only one mains power supply L, N & PE on the EVG.

If I plug one into the EVG unit, where does the other plug into? Can both be plugged into the area?

[AQD_ottawa]

If there are two power plugs then i assume the unit is made of two ballasts, I am guessing as i do not know the unit.

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That is correct. The wiring of the Powermodule is with two plugs (2-channel). One channel is for six bulbs and the other one for two.

[AQD_ottawa]

Ok this is simple then

One plug wiring goes into ballast connection 1 on the EVG and the other goes into Bllast connection 2, then you can control the light groups by the two channels of the profiLux such as L1L2.

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Ok, but then I don't know where the other wires 1&2 and 5&6 from the previous picture plug into. If required at all?

[AQD_ottawa]

1,2 5,6 are you line voltage in to the ballasts.

The list on the junction box tells you exactly what everything is.

Please note my info is only based on what you are showing me I am not there to trace the cabling back for you. But it looks like the 1,2 5,6 are the supply line to the ballasts. This is then not required as you will be connecting the brown blue and earths to the EVG card to obtain switchable supply

1,2 goes to ballast supply 1 and 5,6 to ballast supply 2 along with the green earths.

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Thank you very much for the information. Very helpful!

I believe that I have figured it out. The confusion was regarding the x2 power plugs which came with the unit. I wasn't sure where to plug both of them into the EVG component. It turns out that I only require the use of x1 power plug.

The extra green/yellow wire is plugged into the power supply for Ballast 1 PE connection since that ballast runs x6 tubes.

Here is a diagram of how it is connected.

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/alphasierra99/EVGFinalSetup.jpg

I will take a picture of it soon and post it for those who are in a similar situation.

Next is to install the software on the computer and read up about programing. I wont trial the dimming function yet until the lights are hung and run for at least 100hours.

Thanks once again

Andrew