Ebay MH bulbs

[mat167]

There's an ebay store lse inc that has some really well priced MH bulbs. It does not, however, provide any specs other than the wattage and color temp. If anyone can give me a link to some par values that'd be nice. Or personal experiences with the bulbs from that place. Thanks.

[ERICinFL]

I bought a pair of Plusrite 20k, 250 watt SE bulbs from trust_deals and after two months, I'm very happy with them. My corals have colored up nicely and they are growing well too. My friend got the 10k bulbs, but they were a little to yellow for his taste. He shipped them back and the guy replaced them with 20ks, without a hassle.

[ORayRay]

I also got a plusrite bulb from trust_deals, ive only fired them up once, but it seemed pretty nice

[tangtang clown]

I plan on ordering a Odyssea fixture and I will have to replace the odyssea bulbs with something else. Do you guys have a link to the bulbs you bought?

[ERICinFL]

Are the bulbs HQI or SE?

[tangtang clown]

HQI

[LPS_Blasto]

Has anyone tried the 175w mogul base 15k and 20k listed on ebay?

[hummermaniac88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15706778#post15706778 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LPS_Blasto
Has anyone tried the 175w mogul base 15k and 20k listed on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/4-pcs-MH-175W-20K-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Light-bulbs-E39_W0QQitemZ150370242811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2302c3d0fb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.ca/4-pcs-MH-175W-14K-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-bulb-E39_W0QQitemZ160361077127QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item255643d987&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_4960wt_1165

Talking about these? I would like to know as well.

[LPS_Blasto]

These are the ones I'm wondering about:

http://cgi.ebay.com/175-W-Watt-14000K-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Bulb-Lamp-Reef_W0QQitemZ120468967298QQcategoryZ46314QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%2 6its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26ps%3D63

http://cgi.ebay.com/175W-175-WATT-20K-METAL-HALIDE-AQUARIUM-LAMP-REEF-BULB_W0QQitemZ280345095277QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item4145deac6d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[rguyler]

I have the Plusrite 14k 175W SE bulbs from Trust Deals and very happy with them. My tank is FO so can't comment on the quality of the light for corals but the color of my 14k is right where I wanted it to be. I also use DIY Lumenbrite reflectors.

[mat167]

I was originally referring to lights from this place specifically, since the price is very low compared to other places. I remain suspicious of the quality however...

[ERICinFL]

I'm on shift Wednesday, but I'll try to get a pic of my tank posted on Thursday, to give you an idea of how the 20ks look.

[rguyler]

LSE = Trust Deals.

There are numerous posts on RC about this seller and their products and I don't recall anybody saying they've had problems. Some have said they didn't like the color or whatever but you get that with any bulb. I've had mine in use for several weeks now and so far I'm very happy. Very hard to beat for $20 each.

[hummermaniac88]

They are no doubt a great value, but growth rate is still in question.

[rst77]

I bought some bulbs from a store on ebay (I'm at work so I can't tell you which one.) The bulbs were $10 each with $10 shipping for the first bulb and $5 for each thereafter. The "look" of the bulbs were great (I got 20,000K) but the par was awful!!! Plus one exploded over my frag tank and killed at least 20 frags. I then ended up buying the Reeflux 20k's I should have bought in the first place and was out the other $50.
Lesson learned, you generally get what you pay for and in this hobby not having adequate light over your reef tank is a waste of time and corals.

[HerdofCrickets]

tagging along

[ERICinFL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15711533#post15711533 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hummermaniac88
They are no doubt a great value, but growth rate is still in question.

I'll take some pics of some of my SPS and post them. I'll see if I have any "before" shots for comparison.

[fufu]

I bought the plusrite 20k and the color is really nice, I had a blueline 14k bulb and side by side comparison the plusrite was noticeably brighter, at most twice as much. The par for the blueline 14k are around 200~ish according to sanjay's data.

[augustasalty]

i don't know, i'd be scared, there are a few things i would rather pay for to know i was getting a quality product, lights are one of them. I love my phoenix hqi's from hellolights.com. and the people there are awesome.

[tangtang clown]

Anybody else have bulbs EXPLODE?

[rguyler]

But how do you KNOW the other name brands are quality? Read through the forums and you will find people complaining about every major brand out there. If you love the Phoenix then that's a great fit for you. I tried the Plusrites based on feedback and figured I would only be out $40 (2 bulbs) if I didn't like them but as it turns out I do and plan to buy more.

I haven't checked lately but does anybody know if Sanjay has tested the Plurites? Maybe we can submit a request if not. They definitely are gaining popularity here in RC.

[rguyler]

Tang...just splash some water on a hot one and watch the fireworks. A splash shield is advised, especially if you have rowdy fish (like my puffer at chow time). ;-)

[brad burditt]

i hear that ther not bad the ones you want are from the bulb guys i think thats there name

[ERICinFL]

I posted a request for Sanjay to test the Plusrites. I didn't get a reply from him, or anyone else. I'll bump it and maybe if enough people reply, he'll do it.

[vidson]

tagging along

[ERICinFL]

Here's the request link.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1703042

[rguyler]

Here is Sanjay's thread. I posted the request so we'll see if he responds. I imagine he gets flooded with these. ;-)

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15713481#post15713481

[mat167]

This thread took off quite a bit. Really appreciate the input guys. I think I'll go ahead and give them a shot. Worst case, im out 50 big ones. Definitely not the biggest waste of money so far ;)

[rguyler]

That's the spirit! ;-)

[rst77]

I'd want to know that you were getting some par to go along with the color. The par on my new bulbs was almost nil although the "look" of the bulb was fine.
Here is the thread that got me started.
http://www.corareef.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7360

[ORayRay]

here is the only pic i have of my pulserite 14k

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/goose31456/photo12-2.jpg

[au01st]

I got 2 14k 175 mogul bulbs from "savingtosaving". One looks alright, the other looks like a 10k bulb. My corals hated the bulbs. I inquired about the color difference and an exchange or something, and all I get is an automated e-mail reminding me to leave feedback, and they'll do the same.

I have a huge problem with that alone since I fulfilled my end of the deal...I'll probably just get some more Phoenix bulbs. Tried to save a few bucks but you get what you pay for.

[rguyler]

Sanjay responded to me and requested somebody send him a Plusrite bulb for testing. Any takers?

[tangtang clown]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15713933#post15713933 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rst77
I'd want to know that you were getting some par to go along with the color. The par on my new bulbs was almost nil although the "look" of the bulb was fine.
Here is the thread that got me started.
http://www.corareef.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7360

Looks like they tested both and the cheaper ones were about the same if not better?

If someone can come out with a decent bulbs at a decent price, they would have my business.
Why do you have to replace bulbs after only 6 months?

[rguyler]

Just to be clear, there are numerous "cheap" bulbs on eBay, not just Plusrite or Artemis. Many people just generically say "eBay bulb" but the Plusrites have their name on the box, at least mine did.

[mat167]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15718274#post15718274 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tangtang clown
Looks like they tested both and the cheaper ones were about the same if not better?

If someone can come out with a decent bulbs at a decent price, they would have my business.
Why do you have to replace bulbs after only 6 months?

After about 6 months the PAR levels degrade to about half of the original level. "Ideally" we should change bulbs every 6 months, but the PAR level decreases much slower after the 6 month mark, so we can generally get away with changing the bulbs once a year, sometimes a little more.

[ERICinFL]

I replace my bulbs once a year. This system has worked for me, so I'll keep doing it till it doesn't. :)

[sundancer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15717096#post15717096 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rguyler
Sanjay responded to me and requested somebody send him a Plusrite bulb for testing. Any takers?

I have an extra Plusrite 14k 250w. I can send it to Sanjay if someone can tell me where to send it to.

I bought a pair a while back but my fish splashed water on one so instead of buying another one I went back to reelfux(can't say for sure they are much better). Otherwide I thought they were pretty nice bulbs.

[lordofthereef]

What are the names of the sellers that sell pulserite bulbs? I did a search and ebay autocorrects it to "pulse rate" LOL

[lordofthereef]

Nevermind, I found it. :)

[ERICinFL]

I sent an email to Plusrite, asking if they would donate a variety of bulbs to Sanjay for testing. I provided the link to Sanjay's site, so they'll know it's legit. Let's try to fill their mail box with requests and don't forget to mention you're a member of Reef Central. Here is the email address to their sales and marketing department, if you'd like to ask them as well.

koji@plusriteusa.com

[tangtang clown]

I tried but email did not go through.

[rguyler]

Sundancer, let me try to find out and I will send you a PM.

Good idea Eric. Don't hold your breath though... :)

[sundancer]

OK.

[lordofthereef]

The plusrite bulbs on ebay were 20 bucks a pop right? I did find the seller with bulbs but I didn't see a brand anyplace. I asked what the brand is but I have had no response.
Have you tried their 14ks? Are their 20s REALLY blue? Think you could shoot a pic of your tank so I can see how blue they are? I am interested in getting some of them.

[gophia]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15711882#post15711882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by augustasalty
i don't know, i'd be scared, there are a few things i would rather pay for to know i was getting a quality product, lights are one of them. I love my phoenix hqi's from hellolights.com. and the people there are awesome.

Been using 150w ebay mh bulbs for about three years now. I change them out every year or so.

All SPS and clams are growing well.

As for the Phonix bulbs, do a search on RC. Phoenix bulbs use to be the "cheapo" no name bulbs that now is a named brand and cost roughly the same as the name brand bulbs ;)

[tangtang clown]

Thanks gophia

[rguyler]

Sundancer, PM sent with Sanjay's address.'

Lord, I use the 14k bulbs and I believe you are after a FTS with the 20ks? If you want a FTS with my 14ks let me know. Also, I've found several "no-name" bulbs on eBay too. Some may be Plusrite but I would be wary of buying something else. If you search Google for "ebay trust deal" you will find their online store. You can also search within eBay under the advanced search options for sellers but it's a little more complicated thatn using Google. Either way, there is a dedicated Aquarium lighting section to look through.

[sundancer]

Rguyler, Got the address and will send it out tomorrow or tues.

Here is the url for the Trust-deals seller on eBay that sell Plusrite bulbs:
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Trust-Deals-Lights__W0QQ_armrsZ1

[Stasiu]

I've also been using those PlusRite bulbs from Trust Deals for over a year now and have never had one blow up!!

[lordofthereef]

Rguyler, sorry I am a noob, what is RTS? I am new to the MH world! :)

[lordofthereef]

SOrry, FTS

[lordofthereef]

Front tank shot? LOL I think I figured it out after a few seconds of thinking. It is late... LOL
Yes, please FTS would be great. You are using the 20s? I am thinking of 20s or 14s, I don;t like super blue and I am just trying to figure out if 14s or 20s or a mix are right for me.

[Jsin]

I have bought somecheap bulbs in the past and they worked but the color was horrible, way to much yellow for 20K bulbs. I have been using Phoenix 14K bulbs and wanted to know how these bulbs matched up in color. Do these bulbs have a nice blue crisp to them in the 14K or should I try the 20K.

[lordofthereef]

The artemis bulbs sell for 10 bucks a pop as opposed to the plusrite bulbs at 20 bucks a pop. Was wondering how they compare? I won't skimp where I don;t need to but these prices are a HUGE difference. Has anyone used the artemis bulbs?

[rguyler]

FTS = Full tank shot. :)

I use the 14ks for the same reason...don't like so much blue from the 20ks. I'll post a FTS with my 14ks. Hopefully the color will show accurately.

[au01st]

Any way to tell if these are the Plusrite bulbs?
2x175 MH bulbs (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350020722783&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

[rguyler]

Here are a few shots of my tank (48"L x 24"D x 30"H) with two 14k 175W Plusrite bulbs. The ballast is just an old magnetic M57 ballast. The color in the photos is not great compared to real life as I get much better color rendition than the photos show. Of course my photo skills and camera are not what you would call top-notch. :)

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/rguyler/P1020615-1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/rguyler/P1020619-1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/rguyler/P1020620-1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/rguyler/P1020621-1.jpg

[rguyler]

When I look at these pics right next to my tank I notice the color is rather washed out compared to the tank in real life, especially on the floor where I have very white sand. To the eye my tank is not washed out at all and I get very good color rendition so these pics are not a good representation.

[Jsin]

Looks good I like the color from what I can tell in the picture. Do you have any other lights on other than the 14K MH?
I wish I could keep my sand that Clean.

[HerdofCrickets]

i like the pics too.

i'm going to order 3 14k Pulsrites and give them a try with my 3 ARO 250w ballasts....

[rguyler]

No other lights are on. It's FO (fish-only) and will stay that way so I have no need for any supplemental lighting. I would like a moon light though.

I run an MSX300 Askoll skimmer, which is huge for my water volume. I feed recklessly and still get no algae. For the record, I have never cleaned anything except the glass front with a magnet. I love my MSX. :)

[saintperez]

Sundancer, I checked out the link you send but I don't see Plusrite anywhere. I even entered it in their search.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15734461#post15734461 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sundancer
Rguyler, Got the address and will send it out tomorrow or tues.

Here is the url for the Trust-deals seller on eBay that sell Plusrite bulbs:
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Trust-Deals-Lights__W0QQ_armrsZ1

[tangtang clown]

Color looks nice Rrrrg.

[rguyler]

Thanks Tang! It really is washed out quite a bit. If I knew what I was doing with my camera I could probably get better pics but this is as good as the automatic setting will give me. :)

Now I just need to get some rock. I've been looking at the Marco Rock pretty lately and will probably get a couple hundred pounds of their stuff.

[lordofthereef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15738345#post15738345 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by au01st
Any way to tell if these are the Plusrite bulbs?
2x175 MH bulbs (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350020722783&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

The best way to tell is to ask the seller, which I did. All he sells are the plusright brand of bulbs.

[au01st]

I guess I'll ask again. I sent a "ask seller a question" message but have yet to hear back. I would like to order some based on the reviews, but don't want to get another eBay set of 14k's that look like 10k's. I cringe at the $90 price tag of the Phoenix 14k 175w bulbs...

[au01st]

Well I received a response within an hour this time. Maybe my last message just got missed or didn't send. Guess I'll be ordering some of these within the next day or two.

[SpencerG]

Here's a shot of my tank with a 250 watt 14K plusrite bulb:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mgulden1/2009_09_20#5384515191987242338

Sorry for the link - I still haven't figured out how to post photos to boards. Doh!

[ERICinFL]

Nice tank shots rguyler and Spencer. I guess I need to get a pic of mine up, under the Plusrite 20ks.

[lordofthereef]

Spencer's FTS seems a bit more blue... more to my liking. Makes me a little more confident. Guess I will be ordering two of those puppies. Sure is nice to be looking at paying less for two bulbs than I was considering to pay for just one! What is the longest you guys have run them before for new ones?

[lordofthereef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15745996#post15745996 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SpencerG
Here's a shot of my tank with a 250 watt 14K plusrite bulb:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mgulden1/2009_09_20#5384515191987242338

Sorry for the link - I still haven't figured out how to post photos to boards. Doh!

I have not used picassa, but photobucket provieds an image link that looks like [*IMG]sometext[*/IMG] (minus the asterist). Look for some sort of link in picassa that is correlated to each image and then just paste it into the text box when you are typing up a new post.

[lordofthereef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15746015#post15746015 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ERICinFL
Nice tank shots rguyler and Spencer. I guess I need to get a pic of mine up, under the Plusrite 20ks.

Actually I would appreciate that very much. Can get a bit of a comparison and be extra sure which I want!

[xJake]

I just ordered 8 - 10000K 175W and 4 - 10000K 250w for the coral systems in my lab. I have an apogee PAR meter, and I'll be testing the bulbs once I get them. So, I'll be sure to post my results.

Here is the online store, if you're not comfortable ordering through Ebay: www.lightspectrumstore.com

You can find more information on the bulbs if you click on the "Detailed Description" link.

As an example, here is the info on the 250w 10000K:
"Brand New (BEST QUALITY GUARANTEED)
250 Watt Metal Halide Aquarium Reef Bulb 10,000k (kelvin)

*Brand New in the Box*
*High Quality & Long Life*
*E39 Mogul Base*
*T-bulb shape*
*Universal Burn Position*
*Single-ended Metal Halide bulb*
*Distinct Blue Tint Full spectrum light*
*Blue ocean depths effect*

High-Intensity Purified Super Daylight

Replacement bulbs for traditional probe-start metal halide ballasts with an

ANSI code of M57, M58, & M59 and Mogul-Base Socket Fixtures.


SAME COLOR QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE AS

CoralVue / Hamilton / XM / ReefLux / USHIO Brands

Best For Reef Aquarium Setups [Retail price $50-$70]
MONEY BACK GUARANTEED IF NOT SATISFIED
FREE SHIPPING ON ADDITIONAL QUANTITY"

[lordofthereef]

Jake, are these the plusright bulbs that you are referring to? I think so but I am not sure. The site and the listing look very similar to that of what is posted on eBay. Can't wait for your results!

[SpencerG]

Thanks for the tip, lordofthereef.

I originally ordered the 10K bulb, and it was very yellow. Too much for my taste - I like a slightly blue look. The 14K came in just right for me. I've been running it for about 6 months so far.

[lordofthereef]

Spencer,
what bulbs were you running before these? Have you noticed a difference in your livestock? Better, worse, about the same?

[xJake]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15749262#post15749262 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lordofthereef
Jake, are these the plusright bulbs that you are referring to? I think so but I am not sure. The site and the listing look very similar to that of what is posted on eBay. Can't wait for your results!

I think they're different. All of the plusrite bulbs I can find on Ebay look to have a different shaped bulb than the ones I ordered.

Unfortunately, this week, I ran into some trouble ordering the bulbs through my university's stockroom, but I emailed Light Spectrum Enterprises, Inc. and worked everything out. It seems to have been something on their end (paying with a credit card caused an error message). So, I should hopefully have the bulbs by the end of next week.

[SpencerG]

Before, I ran a 14K Current bulb, and it looked like this:
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx279/asgulden/Lens_1012.jpg
To contrast, here's a shot of the tank with the 14K Plusrite bulb:
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx279/asgulden/Destin2009_0860.jpg

It looks like the Plusrite is brighter. I've had good growth and color with the Plusrite, no adverse effects to my knowledge. I'm really interested to see what these bulbs put out if Sanjay tests one. Good luck whatever you ultimately decide on.

[lordofthereef]

I would say they look roughly the same, whit the plusright bulb just a hair less blue. Good enough for me! Can't wait for mine to get here :)

[downhillbiker]

I am not familiar with the pulseright bulb, but I know I bought some bulbs from "thelightingdudes" and they were 2 different colors, but said they were both 15k. So they sent me another, but it arrived broken. Then they sent me another, and a free bulb that was slightly used, but both arrived broken. The guy was rude, and dishonest, and stopped all communication. I eventually had to back charge the credit card. I am a huge fan of nice bulbs. I use phoenix or radiums, NOTHING else. It just makes all the difference in the world to have a nice colored bulb, that is known to have rediculously high par like the phoenix or radiums.

Here's the pic with 2 different colors:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm107/downhill_biker/downhill_biker%20tank%20pics/2008%20Reef/bulbs003.jpg

[lordofthereef]

Downhill: the seller you are speaking of sounds like a different guy than who sells the plusrites. That said, it is always nice to hear who NOT to buy from on eBay. I will add my own opinion of the plusrite brand bulbs once I receive them this coming week.

[Amoore311]

I just ordered some DE 250 Watt 14K plusrites as well.

I'll post some pictures once they are installed.


I figured for $70ish (for 3 bulbs), it was worth a shot. If I don't like them I'll go with a phoenix 14k, and use these as back ups.

[xJake]

My order FINALLY arrived today :D - 8x175w 10,000K, 4x250w 10,000K. When I opened the box, I discovered that the bulbs are in fact Plusrite-brand bulbs. They were packaged well, and I didn't have any broken bulbs in my shipment. My one gripe with the packaging was that he didn't include an invoice, which I needed for processing the order through my university's stockroom. Fortunately, the invoice was available through the LSE webpage, so I just printed one out and unpacked my bulbs without further issue.

Unfortunately, changing out 12 bulbs took a whole lot longer than I was expecting, and I pretty much spent my whole day replacing them. I suppose it didn't help that I also (finally) received my long-awaited clean-up crew order :lol: , so I had to acclimate and divide-up those animals amongst the tanks, while I was also changing out the bulbs. Let's just say it was a very busy (but exciting) day. :)

I did eventually fire all the bulbs (they all successfully fired - no "duds") and took some PAR measurements on my Blueline M58 E-ballast pendants (250w) about an hour after firing. Based on these quickly-taken PAR readings, I'm definitely impressed with the output from these bulbs. From the readings I took, the PAR output is nearly twice as much (345-387 at the surface of the water, pendants raised 12" off the water's surface) as the previous bulbs. That's compared to the 8-month-old XM250 15,000K bulbs that I replaced, which only peaked at about 190 at the surface (pendants were also at the same height of 12").

Here are some of the things I noticed about the bulbs...

The Plusrites are definitely much brighter than the XM's I replaced; however, since I chose a lower kelvin bulb this time around, I was expecting at least a slight increase in brightness. One thing I quickly noticed after the initial firing was that the bulbs being run on magnetic ballasts burned noticeably bluer (not much, but it was definitely noticeable) than those running on the e-ballasts. The blue coloration on the magnetic ballasts still looked very nice, and as I mentioned the tint was only slight.

On the e-ballasts, the bulbs produced a very nice-looking, crisp-white color - no noticeable yellow or blue tinge, just a very pure white color. I'm not used to the whiter (or yellower? :lol: ) color quite yet (compared to the white-blue of the XM 15Ks), but it did look very nice vs. the possibility of an ugly yellow that I was half-expecting from these $25 bulbs.

I'll try to post photos along with more detailed PAR measurements within the next couple days, but I'm extremely busy this week with classwork - so I don't want to make any promises. So far, I'm extremely pleased, and I definitely want to share my results - if I can find the time to collect all the data and compile it all on here.

As for HOW LONG these bulbs will last (and more importantly, maintain their light output over time)... only TIME will tell. I will have to keep testing these bulbs regularly and I'll try to keep you updated on how they perform as they age. Though, as the saying goes (and I'm paraphrasing)... "The searing pain of poor quality remains long after the excitement of the 'deal' is forgotten." Hopefully that won't be the case. :)

[jwoyshnar]

Could someone leave a vendors name here? I bought 2 bulbs and they turned out to be Artemis. They are horrible. One was bright green and the other is way too blue and dark(10000k).
Thanks

[reefcolors]

On ebay it is trust_deals

[Duff Man]

xJake, if you have time, I am interested in seeing the readings after a week or so of burn in.

[tangtang clown]

Thanks for the nice write up Jake.

[want2reef]

Anybody Know how the 20K Plusrites compare color wise to the Radium 20K's?

[Jsin]

Thank you Jake. I do hope you will inform us as time goes on how the par rating fluctuates. I am impressed that the initial reading is higher than the name brand ones. WE shall see what happens

[xJake]

Could someone leave a vendors name here? I bought 2 bulbs and they turned out to be Artemis. They are horrible. One was bright green and the other is way too blue and dark(10000k).
Thanks

The vendor is Light Spectrum Enterprises, Inc. I ordered through http://www.lightspectrumstore.com. The owner, or at least I'm fairly sure he's the owner, is Arthur Altbregen. After I had issues ordering online, I emailed him and got a response within an hour. From the brief conversation I had with him, he seems like a pretty nice guy, and he seems to be willing to work with you if you have any issues. As reefcolors said, you can also order through Ebay via "trust_deals". I'm fairly sure that this is the same company, but it may not be.

Here is some additional contact info for LSE. (http://www.lightspectrumstore.com/servlet/the-template/about/Page)

xJake, if you have time, I am interested in seeing the readings after a week or so of burn in.

I'm just as interested to see how these bulbs perform after they've been "broken in" :D . I will probably take weekly PAR readings for the first couple of months I run them, and then reduce the frequency to monthly or even bimonthly.

I should probably clarify, when I said that I had to "find the time," I was only referring to this week. Next week I don't have any exams or major assignments to worry about, so I'll definitely be able to post some of the data then.

Thanks for the nice write up Jake.

No problem. :)
Hopefully I'll have some visuals to go with that write up pretty soon...

Anybody Know how the 20K Plusrites compare color wise to the Radium 20K's?
I can't help you with these specific bulbs, as I've never seen either bulb.

All I can really say that would be of ANY help is that the 10000K Plusrite's I'm running look virtually identical to (if not better than) the other 10000K bulbs I was running - XM 10000K 175w, Blueline 10000K 175w, and IceCap 10000K 175w. I would assume that the 20K Plusrite bulbs also produce similar color rendition to that of most "brand-name" 20K bulbs, or at least a color rendition that is as equally pleasing.

Personally, I say for $25 why not just order one and fire it up to see if you like it? If you absolutely hate it then you can send it back (LSE has a "money back guarantee if not satisfied"), and if you DO end up liking it, then you basically just saved yourself $50 on a light bulb. At the very least, you could keep it as a "back-up bulb" in case yours burns out unexpectedly (not that having a back-up bulb is even remotely a necessity or anything... :lol: ).

Thank you Jake. I do hope you will inform us as time goes on how the par rating fluctuates. I am impressed that the initial reading is higher than the name brand ones. WE shall see what happens

You're welcome :D . I'll try to keep everyone updated when I can. I was surprised as well that the PAR values were so much higher. I was, at the very least, expecting some increase because I was moving from 15000K bulbs to 10000K bulbs.

From the data I've seen regarding kelvin rating vs. PAR values, it seems that the lower the kelvin rating, the more PAR a bulb puts out (in terms of "PAR per watt"). I don't specifically remember where I read it, but I do remember reading an article that discussed how electricity is, in-general, used more efficiently (in terms of the watts needed to produce the same amount of PAR but at different kelvin ratings) when it is used to produce light with a lower kelvin rating.

In actuality, a "blue" photon of light contains far more energy (PAR) than a "yellow" photon, however, in terms of ARTIFICIAL lighting, since it takes less electricity to produce the "yellow" photon, a bulb that is designed to produce a lower kelvin (yellower) light actually produces many more yellow photons than it would blue (if it were to use the same amount of electricity). Of course, then you also have to take into account the coral's ability to manipulate light to use it more efficiently (via their fluorescent pigment-proteins), but that's a-whole-nother can of worms.... :lol:

Basically, before I begin to ramble, I was already expecting some kind of increase in PAR from the previous bulbs solely due to the decrease in kelvin rating from 15000K to 10000K; however, the PAR increase I observed ended up surpassing my expectations.

Anyway, I should hopefully have a chunk of free time tomorrow, so I will try to create a PAR diagram similar to what Marc Levenson (melev) has done here: http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/08/03/par_0322_new_bulbs.jpg


Also, an interesting side-note that I thought I would share. I was comparing the Plusrite bulbs to the bulbs that I replaced (the actual, physical bulbs themselves - not the light they produce). Surprisingly, unlike every other brand of bulb I compared, the Blueline bulbs look virtually identical - right down to the odd shape of the electrical contact at the threaded end of the bulb(s). The only major difference seemed to be the identifying text printed on the bulb itself; the shapes and sizes of all the components seemed to match up almost too perfectly to be coincidence. So, I'm starting to suspect that either Blueline brand bulbs are repackaged/re-branded Plusrite bulbs, or at the very least, both bulbs originated from the same manufacturer.

Or perhaps it's just a fairly typical design of MH bulb and I'm being paranoid :D.

[Amoore311]

Subscribed.


I'm interested in seeing some par numbers when you have a chance to do the tests.

[arredondojason]

very interested to see the readings on these bulbs i bought 3 of them for $70 they are the 250W DE 14K bulbs.
subscribed as well.

[lordofthereef]

Thanks Jake. Sounds like you have an awesome major. Are you finishing your BS, masters, or what? Getting my bulbs in the mail today. Can't wait to fire them up in my new DIY lumenarcs :D
Now if I could just find some inexpensive T5 bulbs >.>

[xJake]

I only had time to get PAR readings on one of the tanks. Also, I think my meter may be malfunctioning, because it seems to be reading too low for everything - including direct sunlight. I emailed the company, so I guess we'll see. I still took readings, but they may or may not be completely accurate.

All my corals look really brown in the photos, but they have good color in real life. I'm not sure why that is.

Anyway, here are some photos...

2x250w 10,000K - Blueline E-ballasts. The right side seems to have higher readings, but I'm assuming it's because the water surface is pretty still when compared to the left side.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/PAR.jpg

1x250w 10,000K - Blueline E-ballast
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0433.jpg

1x175w 10,000K - Unknown magnetic ballast
Here's the slight blue tint I was talking about...
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0442.jpg

2x175w 10,000K - Unknown magnetic ballasts
Left side is a magnetic ballast with a reflector, right side is a magnetic ballast with no reflector (the inside of the pendant is painted white)...
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0449.jpg

This is what I saw when I first fired the bulbs. It made me cringe, but the color eventually changed as the bulb warmed up (as you can see on the right).
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0518.jpg

Enjoy! :D

Thanks Jake. Sounds like you have an awesome major. Are you finishing your BS, masters, or what? Getting my bulbs in the mail today. Can't wait to fire them up in my new DIY lumenarcs :D
Now if I could just find some inexpensive T5 bulbs >.>

Yep, I enjoy it quite a bit. I'm finishing my BS; I'm only a sophomore. Luckily I got involved with the marine lab right away, and now I'm doing research with corals, which is why I have a PAR meter.

[want2reef]

I just purchased some 20K SE's to replace my Reeflux 12K SE's.

Should look nicer than the 12k's, one is a little whiter than my old Phoenix 14k's and the other has a lot more yellow.:(

[rguyler]

Well, glad to see the bunch of you are finally coming over to the dark side. I wasn't full of dooky after all. :)

LSE = trust_deals so either way you are buying from the same source. There used to be a price difference between eBay (I saved $5 per bulb with eBay "Buy it Now") and direct so I would check both.

Nice write-up Jake. Glad to see your results were so good to start with.

[want2reef]

Ya, I found it was $14 more to buy two bulbs off of there web site instead of off of Ebay.

[lordofthereef]

Well, glad to see the bunch of you are finally coming over to the dark side. I wasn't full of dooky after all. :)

LSE = trust_deals so either way you are buying from the same source. There used to be a price difference between eBay (I saved $5 per bulb with eBay "Buy it Now") and direct so I would check both.

Nice write-up Jake. Glad to see your results were so good to start with.

There still is a price diff. Also make sure you guys are not doing the buy it now with free shipping, but rather the buy it now with $7 shipping. 2 bulbs with free shipping totals $48 while 2 bulbs with $7 shipping totals $47 so you save an extra buck. :)

[lordofthereef]

Though they are not as exciting as Jake, I took the liberty of taking some pics to show how well these babies came packaged up, as well as a shot of the bulb itself. First impressions, as said before, at least about the company, is that they care about the products they ship out!

Sorry if the pics are a bit fuzzy. No tripod or anything heh.

The box as it came from USPS (Note the LSE logo even though I bought from "trust_deals" on eBay:
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0091.jpg

Opening the box:
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0092.jpg

Packaging of each individual bulb:
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0094.jpg

Bulb close-up to see brand and color temp:
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0096.jpg

[rguyler]

Yup, looks about right for my shipment too. There was also bubblewrap around the bulb inside of the Plusrite box with my order.

[lordofthereef]

Here are the bulbs after 15 seconds and 15 minutes of firing, respectively:
Pics don't do it justice as far as brightness, but I think you can get a good idea of the color. Don't have tank set up yet, but will get a pic of that too once I do.

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0099.jpg
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv294/LordoftheReef/IMG_0100.jpg

[Amoore311]

Very nice. I got my 250 Watt HQI Bulbs from the same ebay vendor in the mail today. Hopefully I'll have some pictures to post up over the weekend.

[lordofthereef]

Yup, looks about right for my shipment too. There was also bubblewrap around the bulb inside of the Plusrite box with my order.

No bubble wrap on mine, but with the amount of packing peanuts I don't feel TOO ripped off ;)

[tangtang clown]

I couldn't see what temp the bulb in your pic was LOR, but the color looks nice. Are you building a tank now?

[want2reef]

How long did it take to get your bulbs?

[xJake]

I'm free the whole day tomorrow, so I will be sure to get some more readings and post them.

Until then, here are some more photos (I didn't get around to correcting the color-balance on a most of them, so the color might not be exactly accurate).

This was taken through a polarizer, so obviously it's not a good representation of the brightness. It's more to show the color of the light.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0468.jpg
Pink/orange Monti Cap
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0489-1.jpg
Left to right - Slippery Tongue Coral (Polyphyllia sp.), Frogspawn (Euphyllia paradivisa), and Pagoda Cup Coral (Turbinaria peltata). My male A. ocellaris clownfish managed to sneak in there too.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0509-1.jpg
I just realized this photo is completely out of focus. Looks like my auto-focus targeted the coralline algae in the back... haha.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0514.jpg
My 2 Acans, and various other LPS and SPS corals. You can also see my Tridacna squamosa clam on the right, which seems to be absolutely loving the new lights - it's mantle is bigger than I've ever seen it.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0516.jpg
You can really see the nice white rim the pink/orange monti cap is starting to develop. I'm starting to see noticeable daily growth in most of my SPS corals, which is very exciting.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0523.jpg
65-gallon Hex tank on the front table in the lab (175w Blueline E-ballast). There are 2 juvenile snowflake eels (Echidna nebulosa) in there somewhere, once their new 240-gallon tank is set up I'll be changing this tank into a reef tank.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/DSC_0495-1.jpg

Finally, I also did a quick little hack job with lordofthereef's and my photos, which hopefully lordofthereef doesn't mind. This should give everyone some comparison on the color values that the lights produce. As an added touch I used the eyedropper tool on each bulb to select the text color.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh277/jgraving/ReefCentral/BulbComparison.jpg

[lordofthereef]

I couldn't see what temp the bulb in your pic was LOR, but the color looks nice. Are you building a tank now?

14000k... I guess I labeled it in photobucket but forgot to label it here. Yes I am in the process of building a tank. Really have everything I need just need to find the time to get everything together. Coming along slowly though :)

[lordofthereef]

How long did it take to get your bulbs?

Took about three days to get the bulbs but I wasn't home on the day of delivery so I had to actually wait four.

[Amoore311]

Well my DE Bulbs were packaged well, they had no "Plusrite" markings on the packaging or bulb though. Here's some pictures of the Packaging, and the tank. Please excuse the cloudiness of the tank, I literally JUST finished moving everything from the 90 to the new 180 an hour ago.

I got the 250 Watt DE HQI 14K bulbs. Tank shot is with the halide bulbs only, no actinics.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/amoore2326/DSC_0015.jpg?t=1254630061

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/amoore2326/DSC_0010.jpg?t=1254629934

Cut/Paste the Links..... Pictures are huge lol

[lordofthereef]

Looks good :)
I am not sure that the HQI's are also plusrite (unless you asked). I only asked aout the SE bulbs myself.

[Reefman79]

I have used they s bulbs and had good luck with them as well.

[tangtang clown]

What brand are the DE bulbs? Anybody else using them? Tank color looks nice Amoore.

[Amoore311]

There are absolutely no markings on the bulbs at all. The HQI ones that I got that is.

This is the response I got from the seller when I asked what brand the bulbs were:

"These are by LSE Coral."


I like them a lot to be perfectly honest. We shall see how they do over the long haul. I had some really old T5 Bulbs over the old 90 Gallon, so pretty much any bulb would have made these corals happy in the short term lol.

I'll take another picture in a couple weeks once the bulbs get a good burn in, and we'll compare that to my original shots.

[Jsin]

I just received 3 150w DE 14k bulbs and they are all marked on the bulb " Plusrite 150w 14k" that is on the bulb itself and the boxes are all marked also. I bought these from the LSE people on ebay thru trustdeals.The last bulbs I got were phoenix and there was no marks on those bulbs. I am going to install these tonight after the halides go off and cool for a while. Hopefully the color is about the same as what I have in there now.

[want2reef]

Just popped in my Plusrite 20K 250w SE's.

A little more blue than my 1 year old Reeflux 12k's and more pop to my corals. :)

Love them so far.

[au01st]

So anyone have experience with Plusrite 20k's, particularly 175w SE.

[reefnjunkie]

I bought some bulbs from a store on ebay (I'm at work so I can't tell you which one.) The bulbs were $10 each with $10 shipping for the first bulb and $5 for each thereafter. The "look" of the bulbs were great (I got 20,000K) but the par was awful!!! Plus one exploded over my frag tank and killed at least 20 frags. I then ended up buying the Reeflux 20k's I should have bought in the first place and was out the other $50.
Lesson learned, you generally get what you pay for and in this hobby not having adequate light over your reef tank is a waste of time and corals.

What Par levels did you get?

[reefnjunkie]

What brand are the DE bulbs? Anybody else using them? Tank color looks nice Amoore.

The DE are Plusrite as well. I've been using his bulbs for years and did a side by side with (Coarlifes') SPS bulbs-I think it was coralife-anyway for 4 times the money ZERO visable difference and negligible on the PAR meter..
I have the DE 250 MH 20K bulbs
Thanks xJake for the detailed par levels, it took me a few pages to get their but I did.

I was going to post my par readings if it was not noted. That seller is awesome, I bought a 65 watt Coralife PC bulb, it fried on day 2, and he sent me another one, no questions.
I get my UV bulbs from him as well 9.00 versus 30.00-great deals

[rguyler]

Looks like we're gaining some momentum with the Plusrite bulbs. Anybody have anything negative to report? I haven't seen any criticisms to date. We still have to get some historical data over the long haul.

[reefnjunkie]

What do you consider long hual-Ive been using his Pulsrite bulbs for a full year next month-granted I never had a par meter before so I swapped out the bulbs at 6-7 months-at that price I figured why not.
Now I have access to the meter I will watch to see what the readings are.

[want2reef]

Byrd, would luv to see the par readings on your 20k's.

[ERICinFL]

Just popped in my Plusrite 20K 250w SE's.

A little more blue than my 1 year old Reeflux 12k's and more pop to my corals. :)

Love them so far.

Me too. I still need to post a pic of my tank. I've been slacking on that. :D

[mr_cali]

Jumping on the wagon. Just ordered 2X 150w 10ks for my Outer Orbit 36' fixture. My reeflux 20ks are a bit too blue for my taste and I figure that if the light of the 10ks turns out to be too white for me, I can give it a blue finish with my T5s. Very cool thread.

[reefnjunkie]

Byrd, would luv to see the par readings on your 20k's.

I dont know how to do the nice pic that I saw from xJake but they were similar. At the sand bed which is roughly 22 inches from the fixture I get readings around 200-210, at 3 inches below the surface, I am around 390-400 and half way I'm seeing around 305-310.


My tank is 75 gallons and has a plastic support in the middle of the tank at the top, which interferes slightly with the lights, but only the top few inches, and those readings are still in the mid 350s.

Is there a specific spot or area that were curious about, or did that help at all?

[rguyler]

I think a year or more on the bulbs would be considered long-term. I don't know though since I don't keep corals these days. For FO tanks I know people who run their MH bulbs for 3 years or better, or at least until they malfunction or break. What is considered customary for a reef tank now? I guess until the PAR/spectrum breaks down to the point where the quality of light is inadequate to keep the inverts happy. If a bulb puts out quality light for a year or better would it be considered a good bulb?

[tangtang clown]

Byrd, have any pics of you tank lit up?

[want2reef]

Byrd,

Ya that helps, I was just wondering how the 20k's compared to the 10k's.

Thanks

[reefnjunkie]

Byrd, have any pics of you tank lit up?

Why yes, yes I do-LOL

These are about a month ago, I have changed up some rock work and added about 20+ frags

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080355.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080572.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080553.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080464.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080740.jpg

[reefnjunkie]

Byrd,

Ya that helps, I was just wondering how the 20k's compared to the 10k's.

Thanks

My fixture came with 15K and after always running 20K I just could not take it. That was before I changed the stock 65 watt pc bulbs which were odyssea (same as the 250 DE MH) for the coralife-now that change was VERY apparent-the bulbs that came with the unit had no output, very dull in comparison.

I've always gone the no name brand, this fixture is a Chinese made fixture that I would buy again and again. It was 2-250 Watt DE MH bulbs-seperate external electronic ballasts and power switches, 4-65 watt PC Actinics-seperate power switchs, and 12 moon lights


Ready for this drum roll please ...............

350.00 deliverd to my door WOO-HOO-and I can tell you the fixture rocks!!

I am putting the 15K that came with the fixture back in since the coralife bulbs (420nm) really add blue and see what readings I get.
I'll post those up tonight-again that willbe the 15K Odyssea-I'll see how they compare, if I understand they should have a higher PAR reading???

I'll post up results later if I can

[rguyler]

Nice pics Byrd!

[Jsin]

Thanks Byrd nice pics. I am curious what is the green thing in the left botttom of the first pic, A glass?

[Jsin]

Well I installed my bulbs today and was not happy with the look of them. I got the 150w 14K DE and they were very yellow, not a hint of blue. I have emailed them and asked to switch them for the 20ks and see if that is better. I am hoping that the 20ks will be good. I have been running Phoenix 14Ks for a while now and like the look of them. Do not get me wrong I am not knocking these bulbs, But way to yellow. I was waiting for the color to change when they fired up but it never changed. Any thoughts?

[au01st]

I found my 14k bulbs from eBay to be too yellow as well. I'm going to order the 20k Plusrites eventually (next month or so) and if I don't like those, I'm just going to have to go back to the Phoenix 14k.

[reefnjunkie]

Thanks Byrd nice pics. I am curious what is the green thing in the left botttom of the first pic, A glass?

Its called a "pod house" a member on Santuary sells them-its an older pic, I bought it for a mandarin, that like to mant threads I've read-DIED.

I dont care how many pods I have , I will never buy a mandarin again, great fish but if I get another one, I'm sure I'ld kill it.

Anyway, here is the thread, I also had him make me a 24" dropper for spot feeding-tnow that is a tool no tank cant live without. NO more "arms" in the tank

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/drygoods-sale-trade/33682-anyone-need-anything-made-out-pyrex.html

[reefnjunkie]

Well I put the 15K Odyssea bulbs that came with my fixture back in after pulling the 20K bulbs. The PAR readings were twice the readings I got with the 20K bulbs.
At first I did not like the looks with the 65 watt pc odyssea bulbs, but I swapped out them out for coralife 65 actinics and the coralife bulbs were VERY blue in comparison. After reading this thread last night I got curious as to the output the 15K would have and the fact that the coralife actinics were so blue the 15K would look good.

Well they look fine I could live with it and not be comprimising. My concern now is the intensity, the PAR redins are double the 20K everywhere in the tank.

I have a reading of nearly 800 3 inches below the surface, and 400-410 and the sand level-OMG

I think this is to much-I dont know.

If anyone has any input please throw it out.

Thanks

[lordofthereef]

I have something negative to report. They will probably raise prices if lots of people keep buying them ;)

Thanks for the readings byrd. How deep is your tank? Would love to see some readings on some older bulbs too :)

[lordofthereef]

Well I installed my bulbs today and was not happy with the look of them. I got the 150w 14K DE and they were very yellow, not a hint of blue. I have emailed them and asked to switch them for the 20ks and see if that is better. I am hoping that the 20ks will be good. I have been running Phoenix 14Ks for a while now and like the look of them. Do not get me wrong I am not knocking these bulbs, But way to yellow. I was waiting for the color to change when they fired up but it never changed. Any thoughts?

How does it compare to some of the FTS shots running the 14ks. Those were mogul bulbs if I remember right? Jusr curious, because those seemed a blue-ish white more than a yellow. The ones I fired up were also more of a blue-ish white than a yellow.

[lordofthereef]

This is a bit off topic but I just contacted the guy who sells those droppers about getting one. That is just fantastic to be able to target feed without my arm up to my armpit in water... much less contamination and such. Hopefully he gets back to me about that.

[reefnjunkie]

Oh he will, he gets quite busy. I would suggest getting a bend in the end. I ordered one in the beginning which was straight, and then had him make me one with a 30 degree bend about 3 inches up.
here are photos;

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk114/Byrdman503/P1080839.jpg

[Amoore311]

I have a buddy locally with a par meter.

As soon as it's my turn to use it I will post some #'s for everyone. There's 1 guy using the meter now, then it's my turn ^_^d.

Again, I've got the 250 Watt DE HQI Bulbs... brand new installed this past Saturday. The par readings will be on my 180 Gallon Oceanic Tank.

[Jsin]

How does it compare to some of the FTS shots running the 14ks. Those were mogul bulbs if I remember right? Jusr curious, because those seemed a blue-ish white more than a yellow. The ones I fired up were also more of a blue-ish white than a yellow.

It does not compare at all. Mine had no bluish tint to them at all. I ordered the 14K because of the FTS I saw posted and they looked like what I have now (phoenix 14K). I am not sure if my ballast have anything to do with it or not. THe ballast are PFO brand and they fire right up.Anyway I hope to get a response soon from them and hopefully they will switch out these 14Ks for there 20Ks. I am hoping that the 20K bulbs will be more of what I have now for color. Some people say that the phoenix 14Ks look more like 20K bulbs, but i do not know.

[HerdofCrickets]

Some people say that the phoenix 14Ks look more like 20K bulbs, but i do not know.

FWIW;
I switched 6 months ago from XM 20k's to Pheonix 14k's and didn't notice a difference in coloring at all. I think the Phoenix's are more blue.

I am going to order 3 Pulsrite's, haven't decided on 14k or 20k though... Hoping to see a few FTS's soon on this thread to help make up my mind... If not, I'll just order 3 of each and then have a spare set.

[reefnjunkie]

FWIW;
I switched 6 months ago from XM 20k's to Pheonix 14k's and didn't notice a difference in coloring at all. I think the Phoenix's are more blue.

I am going to order 3 Pulsrite's, haven't decided on 14k or 20k though... Hoping to see a few FTS's soon on this thread to help make up my mind... If not, I'll just order 3 of each and then have a spare set.

If you do not have actinics to supplement, the 14K bulbs inmy opinion or WHITE if not actually a yellow white-for me coming from using 20K's all the time-it was UGLY, and BRIGHT.

When I put the 15K bulbs in yesterday I was very happy with the look and the only reason I put the 20K's back in this morning was the 15K's put out twice the PAR value and certain corals were not diggin it.

You will see a difference in the 14K's and the 20K's from Pulsrite, ask the seller if he would do an exchange if you are not happy with the look, I think they offer an unconditional return/exchange program

[want2reef]

I use to run Phoenix bulbs a while back, and to me the 20k Plusrite SE's I am running now seam to be a little more blue and a little brighter.

But I am running Lumenbright reflectors now and the new bulbs are not burned in yet, so.....

[xJake]

Hi everybody,
I just wanted to let you know that I sent my PAR meter in for re-calibration. I contacted apogee and they said that I should send it in to get checked - just in case. The readings I gave could be inaccurate (although it still gives you a general idea), but I'll know for sure once I hear from apogee. I should have my meter back in a couple weeks.

The lights still look great, no problems with them so far. My coral growth is really starting to take off, and I'm seeing noticeable daily growth on all of my Acropora and Montipora colonies. Also, my Seriatopora caliendrum (Birdsnest Coral), which hasn't been growing well the entire time I've had it (almost 2 years), has started growing branches all over the place. Many of my green-colored corals have started to turn slightly brown, but I can tolerate a little bit of brown if it means faster growth.

[lordofthereef]

Wonder if they are just browning from a slight shock and will color back up? Good news to hear your corals are loving it! :)

[lordofthereef]

Oh he will, he gets quite busy. I would suggest getting a bend in the end. I ordered one in the beginning which was straight, and then had him make me one with a 30 degree bend about 3 inches up.
here are photos;


I was actually considering one of each, or do you think that the bed is just THAT much better. They are cheap enough for me to just grab two in case one breaks.

[SpencerG]

It does not compare at all. Mine had no bluish tint to them at all. I ordered the 14K because of the FTS I saw posted and they looked like what I have now (phoenix 14K). I am not sure if my ballast have anything to do with it or not. THe ballast are PFO brand and they fire right up.Anyway I hope to get a response soon from them and hopefully they will switch out these 14Ks for there 20Ks. I am hoping that the 20K bulbs will be more of what I have now for color. Some people say that the phoenix 14Ks look more like 20K bulbs, but i do not know.

That may have been my FTS. I'm running a 250 watt DE 14K Plusrite on an Odyssea ballast, so you've got the better ballast by far. The bulb is definitely not yellow on my setup. I remember reading some reviews here on these bulbs about seven months ago, and some folks commented about the colors being off. There may be some quality control issues. That being said, I've always read that Phoenix bulbs are very blue/purple and like 20K, like you noted, so something closer to 10K is going to be an adjustment. Definitely send it back and try out the 20K - light color is also an aesthetic element that is important to enjoyment of the tank!

I originally got the 10K bulb, and it was very yellow on my gear. I sent it back, and Art sent me the 14K bulb. The light is white with a blue/purple tinge down in the tank, and looks purplish up in the reflector. I lucked out because that's the color I like. I'm definitely curious to see if the next bulb matches the color or goes way off.

Good luck!

[reefnjunkie]

I was actually considering one of each, or do you think that the bed is just THAT much better. They are cheap enough for me to just grab two in case one breaks.

I dont use the straight one at all anymore-I keep in case the other breaks-If I were to get 2 they would both have the bend, they are that much better-IMO

[reefnjunkie]

Hey sorry for the off topic guys:hammer:

[tangtang clown]

Byrd what type of food are you feeding with the droppers?

What fixture is it that you have again?

[reefnjunkie]

Byrd what type of food are you feeding with the droppers?

What fixture is it that you have again?

Spirilina(sp?) brine and Mysis shrimp

Light came from here, I dont see my light listed but that is the seller;

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/topdogsellers_Metal-Halide-System_W0QQ_fsubZ218232719QQ_sidZ412695299QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

Not sure if this will work, here is a link from my "won" items in ebay, I have bought 3 fixtures from this seller with zero issues;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290335616672&ssPageName=STRK:MERFB:IID

[1st timer]

those seem like reasonable enough prices if fixture is good, cheap enough to make me want to try halides :idea:
Question is is one halide enough over a 40g breeder? I currently have a coralife 4 light T5 fixture, i currently have in tank ;blastos, candy cane, paly grandis, xenia, gsp, torch, frogspawn, and couple frags of i don't know what.
Sorry if too off topic but i like the look of the plusrite bulbs(14k) anyway.

[lordofthereef]

those seem like reasonable enough prices if fixture is good, cheap enough to make me want to try halides :idea:
Question is is one halide enough over a 40g breeder? I currently have a coralife 4 light T5 fixture, i currently have in tank ;blastos, candy cane, paly grandis, xenia, gsp, torch, frogspawn, and couple frags of i don't know what.
Sorry if too off topic but i like the look of the plusrite bulbs(14k) anyway.

I am guessing it's 24" width? Should be fine. Recommended 1 MH bulb per 24" width.

[SpencerG]

those seem like reasonable enough prices if fixture is good, cheap enough to make me want to try halides :idea:
Question is is one halide enough over a 40g breeder? I currently have a coralife 4 light T5 fixture, i currently have in tank ;blastos, candy cane, paly grandis, xenia, gsp, torch, frogspawn, and couple frags of i don't know what.
Sorry if too off topic but i like the look of the plusrite bulbs(14k) anyway.

I've got a 40 breeder with the 24" fixture - single 250 watt MH plus 2 65 watt PC actinics. I posted shots earlier in this thread, so check out the light spread and see if that's for you. It may not be. It will not be as evenly spread as your T5 light - definitely a point source light. But you do get shimmer and a different overall look.

[arredondojason]

I have a buddy locally with a par meter.

As soon as it's my turn to use it I will post some #'s for everyone. There's 1 guy using the meter now, then it's my turn ^_^d.

Again, I've got the 250 Watt DE HQI Bulbs... brand new installed this past Saturday. The par readings will be on my 180 Gallon Oceanic Tank.

I cant wait to see your readings.
are you running the 14K or 20K.
I ordered the 14K and running 3 of them on my 240 gallon tank when i get home from afganistan so this would be great info to know thanks.

[law086]

Hi folks,

For those that got the Plusrite bulbs from trust_deals, how long did it take you to receive them? It's been about 10 days for me and I'm also in PA (where the seller is) and I'm wondering what gives.

[want2reef]

Took about 3 to 4 days for me. I'm out in rainy CA. :)

[law086]

That's really strange considering you're almost 3000 miles away from him and I'm maybe 100. I'm starting to get a bit worried. I emailed him to ask what was up. Last time I asked (over a week ago) he told me it should be any day.

[1DeR9_3Hy]

That's really strange considering you're almost 3000 miles away from him and I'm maybe 100. I'm starting to get a bit worried. I emailed him to ask what was up. Last time I asked (over a week ago) he told me it should be any day.

How does he ship?

USPS seems to be having a hard time with packages lately....ive lost a few :mad2:

[Dyraxe]

have ordered 2 times from trust_deals and both times I got it in a few days. I am in FL.

[ERICinFL]

I'm in FL too and it only took about 4 days. Keep on him about it, he won't do you wrong. My friend bought the 14ks, didn't like them and trust_deals replaced them promptly with the 20ks.

[Amoore311]

I got my bulbs in 3 days. I'm in NY.


Also, for the person who asked a few posts up.

I have the 14K 250 Watt HQI DE Bulbs.

[DRC69]

So do you like the look of the 14K DE bulbs?
Thx

[mfin77]

I am looking to buy these bulbs.

Are these the ones everybody is talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2pcs-250W14K-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-bulbs-T-SHAPE-E39_W0QQitemZ160369607654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2556c603e6&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_4866wt_1014

thanks,
Mike

[mfin77]

Stupid question-

are these pulse type or probe type Mh bulbs?


thanks

[arredondojason]

I got my bulbs in 3 days. I'm in NY.


Also, for the person who asked a few posts up.

I have the 14K 250 Watt HQI DE Bulbs.

that is awsome i can wait to see your par ratings on these bulbs i have the exact same setup with 3 bulbs 14K DE250W bulbs. I live in new york as well i am currently deployed and am coming home in 1 month i cant wait to get these over my new 240 gallon tank i figured that this would be the best time to upgrade right.lol my wife was not as happy about it as me but oh well.lol.

[Jsin]

I am looking to buy these bulbs.

Are these the ones everybody is talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2pcs-250W14K-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-bulbs-T-SHAPE-E39_W0QQitemZ160369607654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2556c603e6&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_4866wt_1014

thanks,
Mike

No those are not the same bulbs. The bulbs are from LSE ( Light Spectrum Enterprises) The ebay sellers name is Trust_Deals. there are some links thru out this thread. You can go to www.LightSpectrumStore.com also. Hope that helps.

[mfin77]

I see everybody talking about de bulbs,

Are the Single ended just as good?

[law086]

Just wanted to let everybody know that my bulbs came in today. I'm not sure why they took so long, the return address was philly and I'm about an hour north of philly.

Fired them up and I'm liking the color. Got 175w 14k SE. Slightly bluer than my XM 10k but not too blue.

[tangtang clown]

Pics?

[mfin77]

Just wanted to let everybody know that my bulbs came in today. I'm not sure why they took so long, the return address was philly and I'm about an hour north of philly.

Fired them up and I'm liking the color. Got 175w 14k SE. Slightly bluer than my XM 10k but not too blue.


Could I see a pic, I have the same bulbs. I am debating whether to go with 14k or 20k.
thanks
Mike

[smcfall176]

I've tried ebay bulbs out of Canada and will never do that again! Caused my first ever algae problem. Whent back to Hamilton and no problems that is after I got it under control.

[Amoore311]

So do you like the look of the 14K DE bulbs?
Thx


I do like them. I don't have any actinic over the tank and I'm pleased with the way they look.

The guy in my reef club with the part meter said he should have it today for me. At the latest I'll get it on Saturday @ our club meeting.

[Amoore311]

Ok just got finished posting some par measurements.

These are (3) 250 Watt DE HQI 14K Bulbs from the Plusrite guys on ebay. Note, these bulbs have no markings on them at all, and no markings on the box that infact say "plusrite".


This is a 180 Gallon 6' x 2' x 2'. They bulbs have been in for 12 days.

Excuse the huge picture...


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/amoore2326/180FTSPAR.jpg?t=1255652671


All of the readings towards the middle of the tank are a bit lower since they are under a glass center brace.

The top 500 measurement is right under the waters surface. The 800-900 readings were right under the bulbs' protective glass.

Everything was done with an Apogee QMSS-E Quantum Meter. Serial # 1715 is that matters.

[phorge]

Very nice... I've been following this thread for a while hoping someone would get par values on these. Thanks for doing this.

[Amoore311]

Does anyone know how these would compare to a phoenix 14k, or some of the other comparable bulbs out there?

I don't follow halides very much, this is my first halide fixture.


Are the numbers I posted any good? Or are they low/mediocre?

[phorge]

Marc has some par readings posted from a 24" deep tank on his site. They aren't Phoenix, but it's something...

http://www.melevsreef.com/par_readings.html

[MentalDragon]

I just ordered 3 x 250w 20k and 3x 250w 14k from Trust_deals. I bought both the 20k and 14k to see which ones I like better.

My Current lighting setup is the following on a 75g mixed Reef:

2 x 250w 12k Reeflux SE MH on Coralvue Electronic Ballasts
4 x 110w VHO (2 x UV Actinic White and 2x UV Actinic 454) on ARO Ballast

I'm not sure if there is anything else I could add to this, but if you want me to do some type of testing... let me know.

Oh.. the 3rd bulb will be going on my 40 Breeder Frag Tank:

1 x 250w 12k Reeflux SE MH on generic Ballast
2 x T5HO UV Super Actinic on IceCap 440

[Mike31154]

Received two 250 watt, SE 14,000 K Plusrite lamps today and have fired one up along with an existing XM 10,000 K that I have from a previous owner. I have no idea of the age of the XM, but the one in there now is the better of the two XMs I have been running. It was putting out a whiter, brighter light than the XM which I've now replaced with the Plusrite.

After running for about 5 minutes, I can see a significant color difference between the new Plusrite 14 and the used XM 10. Plusrite is more blue, which seems to validate the color temperature rating. I think once I replace the other XM with the Plusrite, I won't require any Actinic supplementation for my particular preference in overall color. I don't have a PAR meter, but using an old Gossen Sixtino 2 photographic light meter, I've found that the XM is producing a greater deflection on the meter with the diffuser covering the meter sensor. Again, this is likely normal with the difference in color temperature of the two lamps. Without the diffuser covering the light meter sensor, the readings are very close to the same. Not sure of the significance there but the meter instructions say to retract the diffuser when measuring reflected light (measure from the camera to the 'object') and to use the diffuser for measuring the 'scene' (measure from the object to be photographed to the camera). At any rate, if there's a way to convert the light meter reading to PAR or some other useful information, here are the light meter numbers for the XM lamp using the diffuser on the light meter:

ASA/DIN = 400/27
f/ vs time = 22 @ just under 60, or 16 @ just under 125, or 11 @ just under 250 and so on up to 5.6 @ just under 1000

Other info.... using a UPM Marketing EM100 Energy Monitor (similar to a Kill A Watt), I see that the two lamps are using around 450 watts with my M58 magnetic ballasts. This is similar to the readings I've seen using both XM lamps, so no significant difference there. The Plusrite lamp is physically shorter than the XM, both the screw in base and the the outer glass envelope. The base of the Plusrite has a number of slots punched into into it around the circumference but has no solder blob between the base and the glass like the XM lamp has. This may explain the absence of the discoloration on the inside lower part of the outer glass envelope. I think this happens on inital burn in to eliminate all air inside the lamp, not sure, perhaps Plusrite has a cleaner method of doing this without the solder blob. Plusrite logo and data are marked on the outer glass envelope. The inner assembly looks to be of comparable quality compared to the XM, but is a little shorter overall due to the shorter length of the Plusrite.

Seems like a good deal so far, time will tell. Later dudes & dudettes.

[tangdiver]

I posted a request for Sanjay to test the Plusrites. I didn't get a reply from him, or anyone else. I'll bump it and maybe if enough people reply, he'll do it.

He normally only tests 400 watt from what I remember....that is what he uses....:dance: I use them only also....:bounce3:

[darkside212]

I have a question about the ebay mh bulbs:
I noticed some of them say FC2 or FC3 for the base type. What does that mean?

I have an Aqua Medic Ocean Light 1 X 250 Watt HQI Lighting System coming and I need a bulb for it. I'm not sure if I bid on the right one or not...

does anyone have a recommendation?

[lordofthereef]

Those readings that Amoore got look very similar to Melevsreef's readings minus that closer to the top of the tank. Even under the light in the middle area of the tank Amoore didn't see as much of a jump in par as I personally would have expected. Otherwise it looks pretty spot on.

[jiriki]

I just caught this thread out of the corner of my eye. Since the title is generic, I thought I'd add this thread. This was done by someone here locally in Columbus.

I own 3 250w 14k Artemis bulbs myself and have been using it for 1 month. PAR is nearly as good as Reeflux 20k but not quite. But for the price...

http://www.corareef.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7360&highlight=artemis

I did recently lose one bulb. Just stopped firing. Emailed the company and they have a new bulb on the way for me.

[lordofthereef]

^ thanks for that link!

[DRC69]

Anything new on any of the bulbs?

[jiriki]

I got my new Artemis replacement 250w SE 14k bulb. Boy I didn't realize how purple it was brand new. Sitting in betwen 2 other Artemis bulbs with a month of burn, it's noticeably purple while the 1 month old bulbs are more blue.

I suspect all three will look the same in 1 month.

[DRC69]

Anything new on the 150 DE 14K bulbs?
I need to buy 2 new MH, I just don't have the $$$ to spend more right now.

[guppie]

I am looking to replace my bulbs soon I am in need of info from anyone that has been running them for some time, how are they looking after the break in, any problem with them just stop running? thanks

[xJake]

I am looking to replace my bulbs soon I am in need of info from anyone that has been running them for some time, how are they looking after the break in, any problem with them just stop running? thanks

I've been running 4x 250w SE 10,000K and 8x 175w SE 10,000K for close to a month (actually, now that I think about it, today is the 31st, so exactly one month). No problems to report so far, and the color has stayed constant (no noticeable color shifts).

My corals are loving it so far; coloration and growth rates are both excellent. I took PAR readings when I first fired them (see pg. 4 of this thread), and the PAR output was more than adequate.

I sent in my PAR meter for re-calibration because I had some doubts about its accuracy. It turned out that my meter was accurate, but apogee cleaned and re-calibrated it at no charge. I was supposed to be getting it back this week, but it hasn't arrived yet - hopefully I'll have it by early next week and I'll post some updated readings when I do.

On a side note, I'm thinking of ordering a few 14,000K bulbs soon. Even though coral growth and coloration with the 10,000K bulbs are good, I just miss the aesthetics that 14,000K bulbs gave my tanks.

[guppie]

thanks I was thinking of ordering the 14K bulbs my self. Are the 10k white or do they have a yellow tint?

[Mike31154]

The two Plusrite 250W 14,000K bulbs I installed now have several weeks of use on them, so should be 'burned' in. Definitely less intense than the XM 10,000Ks they replaced and I suppose I'm getting accustomed to the bluer look. The lower intensity seems to be validated by the fact that the two 250 watt bulbs are only showing a 400 watt draw on the energy monitor. When I initially installed them, they were at 450 watts and the XMs were around 485 watts. I run the MH lamps for about 4 hours and use 4x54 watt T5HO for the remainder of the photo period.

[xJake]

thanks I was thinking of ordering the 14K bulbs my self. Are the 10k white or do they have a yellow tint?

The 10,000K bulbs are white, no noticeable yellow tint. Like I said, they're great bulbs, but I miss the crisp white/blue that the 14,000K produces.

[tangtang clown]

I did recently lose one bulb. Just stopped firing. Emailed the company and they have a new bulb on the way for me.

Did you recieve your replacement bulb? Free? If so, do you have any pics?
Thanks

[tangtang clown]

Anybody find hobbylighting (ebay) from the link? I looked and could not find.

[ironwill723]

How "blue" are the 250w DE 20k's? Windex blue? Or more subtle? I can't decide between 14k's or 20k's. I do wan't a more blueish deep ocean look.

[tangtang clown]

How "blue" are the 250w DE 20k's? Windex blue? Or more subtle? I can't decide between 14k's or 20k's. I do wan't a more blueish deep ocean look.

How many MHs are you running? If you have three, would 14k on the outside 2 and 20k on the center look good?

[ironwill723]

I have three PFO 250w HQI pendants. Two are running off a PFO Dual ballast and one is running off a Vertex ballast. I am not sure how 2x20k's and 1x14k would look as it is a 220g and 31" tall. I just set the tank up last week after transferring all my stuff out of a few smaller tanks so I have never used MH on the tank before now.

[tangtang clown]

I have three PFO 250w HQI pendants. Two are running off a PFO Dual ballast and one is running off a Vertex ballast. I am not sure how 2x20k's and 1x14k would look as it is a 220g and 31" tall. I just set the tank up last week after transferring all my stuff out of a few smaller tanks so I have never used MH on the tank before now.

I think you and I are looking for the same thing. I just set up my 125 two weeks ago.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/bnutz8/Newfugeandintake011.jpg

I have never used MHs as you can tell, I still have my 4x110w VHOs running on my 125. GHETTO!

I know I want 3 MHs, and I am leaning toward plusrite HQI 14k's. I would probably order all three of the same and then if I don't like the color, I would then order 3 20k's. This way I could mix and match.

[Bryan]

The 10,000K bulbs are white, no noticeable yellow tint. Like I said, they're great bulbs, but I miss the crisp white/blue that the 14,000K produces.

How much blue is in the 14K Plusrite. is it a definite blue color or more of a crisp white with a tint of blue.

[ironwill723]

I think someone should do the 10k,14k,20k side by side by side in the same tank for a comparison. Sounds like a lot of people have the same questions about the colors.

[Jsin]

I did not care for the 14ks, however I have been used to phoenix 14k and they are more like 20ks. I was able to switch the 24k pulseright bulbs for the 20k and should be getting them in the next few days. I am running three PFO 150w de ballast. I saw some photos of others tanks with the 14k bulbs and they looked good, but in my setup I was unable to see any blue tint. I am wondering if they may of been 10ks and were marked wrong. Hoping for good results from the 20ks. The bulbs did fire right away and they looked well made. I would like to see pics of all three bulbs side by side also.

[Darejohn]

Don't get these. They're cheap and dont last

[ironwill723]

Don't get these. They're cheap and dont last


???:confused:

[Duff Man]

Don't get these. They're cheap and dont last

What kind did you have, SE or DE?

[phorge]

I'm happy with the 250W 14k DE Plusright bulbs. But, as it has been said before, they aren't as blue as I had expected. Next time I will probably order a pair of 20k's, but who knows... these are growing on me.

Just don't expect the 14k's to be super blue.

[ironwill723]

I think I'm going to go with 3 x 250w 20ks DE for the blue look.

[phorge]

Try and post some pics of the 20ks when you get them in. I'm curious to how they look.

[tangtang clown]

Try and post some pics of the 20ks when you get them in. I'm curious to how they look.

+1. I am new to MHs and I don't know whether to get 14k or 20k.
Where are you ordering iron?

[stannn_]

guys, can i use the plusrite 175w SE with any mh 175w electronic ballast? or does it have to be magnetic ballast? TIA!

[reefcolors]

I've used the 250w 20k SE on a magnetic and coralvue e ballast without any problems so I would assume the 175w would work.

[wrestle1952]

I've used Ebay 250 Watt 20K bulbs for the last 4 years. They are fine.

[ironwill723]

+1. I am new to MHs and I don't know whether to get 14k or 20k.
Where are you ordering iron?

Either of these are the same place:

Ebay seller: trust deals
or
http://www.lightspectrumstore.com/servlet/the-Aquarium-Reef-Metal-Halide/Categories

[stannn_]

ok, thanks! just wanted to make sure, since LSE wrote on the $30 bulb that it runs on eballasts, so just wanted to make sure that the $20 bulbs do to,

any body knows if the $30 bulbs are better than the $20 bulbs?

[tangtang clown]

I just ordered 5 20k 150w DE bulbs from trust deals/LSE. $20 each. I plan on putting them in 150w Odyssea fixtures. I just plugged a 150w Odyssea ballast into a Kil-a-watt and it was reading 128.

[Vanman]

i don't know, i'd be scared, there are a few things i would rather pay for to know i was getting a quality product, lights are one of them. I love my phoenix hqi's from hellolights.com. and the people there are awesome.

I would bet that some of the cheaper bulbs on ebay are made in the same factory as the name brand bulbs. Some are probably the exact same product without the name brand on them. If they cost 2 bucks to make and you can sell themfor 25 and also sell the same name brand bulb but not labeled andsell them as generec and tap another market for say 15 bucks a bulb then thats smart bussiness ans I bet some of the manufactures do this. I am here in this thread looking for some 250 watt 14k SE bulbs today. Any good deals going on anywhere....ebay or wherever? Please pm me if you know of any.

Thanks

Jay

[stannn_]

@vanman +1

can i get everyone's input on what ballasts they use for their plusrites? i'm still undecided on which ballast im gonna get.. TIA!

[Jsin]

I received my 20k 150w De bulbs and they look just like my old phoenix 14k bulbs. I am happy with the 20k pulseright bulbs. I use PFO ballast.

[herpboyben]

I have used them for about 18 months now and the only thing that I dont like is they seem to lose their color a bit sooner than some of the other bulbs Ive used. But for 20 bucks I just change them when they start looking a bit too white. Also Im using the 20k 250 watt single ended plusrite bulbs.

[d0ughb0y]

I have used them for about 18 months now and the only thing that I dont like is they seem to lose their color a bit sooner than some of the other bulbs Ive used. But for 20 bucks I just change them when they start looking a bit too white. Also Im using the 20k 250 watt single ended plusrite bulbs.

how often do you change the bulb and what ballast do you use?
thanks

[lordofthereef]

Just thought I would add that those who have had issues with these specific bulbs should post their comments. It is useless for you to say "don't buy these because they are cheap and lighting isn't a place to go cheap" if you have not even used them. Plenty of people have been using them and showing pics of their tanks and things are going very well for them. If you have an opinion, back it up with something more than "pricier is better", as that is what cmpanies who charge you an arm and a leg for anything WANT you to think.

[Psionicdragon]

I think the poster was stating about a different bulb. he added a title on his reply.

[reefnjunkie]

I think I'm going to go with 3 x 250w 20ks DE for the blue look.

Do you run actinics as well? I pulled my DE 250 20K and put the 14K back in. Without running my 4-65 watt PC actinics the light is to "yellow/white" for me but with the actinics on its perfect-for my taste, I put the 14K back in for growth but if I did not have the actinics I would have stuck with the 20K.

Its been a few months I will get par readings and see how they are. At 1st I was getting readings of 400 at the bottom of the tank-22 Inches from the bottom of my fixture, over 800 3 inches below the surface-FYI

[ironwill723]

Do you run actinics as well? I pulled my DE 250 20K and put the 14K back in. Without running my 4-65 watt PC actinics the light is to "yellow/white" for me but with the actinics on its perfect-for my taste, I put the 14K back in for growth but if I did not have the actinics I would have stuck with the 20K.

Its been a few months I will get par readings and see how they are. At 1st I was getting readings of 400 at the bottom of the tank-22 Inches from the bottom of my fixture, over 800 3 inches below the surface-FYI

I wasn't planning on running any actinics. I am hoping with the 3 20ks I won't need to run any additional bulbs to achieve the color I am looking for. I will play around with it though when they arrive and see what the tank looks like color wise.

[lordofthereef]

How much blue is in the 14K Plusrite. is it a definite blue color or more of a crisp white with a tint of blue.

I would say it is a little more white than blue but really not much. You really can tell that it is nit just white. I guess I am trying to say that they are not SO blue that the entire room has a blue hue to it.

[powwer]

Will have to give some a try

[rpeeples]

Has anyone run Par test on any of these ebay bulbs either DE or SE?

[Amoore311]

Yes I have.


I have the 250 Watt DE HQI Bulbs on my 180. I've got 3x250 watt.

The picture is very large, but I'll post it here for you.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/amoore2326/180FTSPAR.jpg

[Krystalklear]

So are those PAR readings good?

[HerdofCrickets]

Ammore - what K rating is your bulbs? 20K? With our w/o actinics? Pulsrite?

[rpeeples]

Amore, thanks for posting. These are the 20K's I take it?

[ironwill723]

Does anyone know what is going on with Light Spectrum Enterprise (trust_deals)? I ordered 3 x 250w 20ks and a UV bulb on 11/19 and have yet to receive anything other than an automated invoice after purchase and no shipping info whatsoever. I have emailed the customer service and called but I can not reach anyone there. Anyone have any info on what their deal is?

[tangtang clown]

They sent a business card with my order. I can look for it when I get home if you would like.

[rpeeples]

So how do the par numbers above compare to other 20K bulbs? Are the enough to get decent sps growth?

[ironwill723]

They sent a business card with my order. I can look for it when I get home if you would like.

That would be great. I can't seem to reach anyone in the company.

[ironwill723]

bump for tangtang clown.

[saw wave analog]

Since it's been requested more than a few times, and I have both 14k and 20k Plusrite bulbs, I just put together a comparison photo. My tank is a 75g with dual 175w magnetic ballast mogul style MHs. As far as appearance goes, the 20k are much better in my opinion, and the opinion of the few people that have also witnessed them here in person side by side.

These photos were taken with no ambient light, just the tank lights in an otherwise dark room. The camera settings are identical for both pics, as was the tripod setting. The photos are unedited aside from cropping and combining them. The 20k bulbs are around 2 months old, and the 14k's are around the same.




anyway, here is the pic. I don't have a par meter, but to my peepers the 20k bulbs are a bit brighter overall. The photo loses some of the glow the tank has in person obviously, but it is pretty close to accurate as far as the general color goes... though the 14k is not quite so yellow looking in person

http://www.ilostmymind.com/upload/plusrite14and20k.jpg



Do I think they are good bulbs? Absolutely. growth is good even on the 20k, color is very good... I have no complaints, I did have one show up broken, they sent me a replacement immediately after i sent them a pic of the broken bulb. Shipping was fast... 100% satisfaction, I see no reason anyone would need an 80$ bulb. I stocked up on them :)

[ironwill723]

Did you order them through trust deals on ebay? Still haven't heard from them about my bulbs. Do you have a contact number?

[saw wave analog]

I believe I did actually. I've made several specialty light orders from a couple different ebay vendors and have never had a problem.

[lordofthereef]

Did you order them through trust deals on ebay? Still haven't heard from them about my bulbs. Do you have a contact number?

If you ordered them through ebay and have not heard back I would file an ebay complaint about it. I have had goo experiences ordering from them, but I still wouldn't let it get too close to the 30 day mark as after that point eBay will not get you your money back.

[ryanb91]

why order through Ebay...just skip the middleman
http://www.1000bulbs.com/250-Watt-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Lamps/
$12.86 a bulb

[want2reef]

Ryan

Nice find. :cool:

[ironwill723]

Well I just filed a dispute through my Mastercard to cancel my order. It's been 3 weeks and I still never received any shipment or shipment info. I left 4-5 voicemails and numerous emails. No response or callbacks. I'm bummed because I still want the lights but at this point I'm weary of ordering again from them.

[ironwill723]

why order through Ebay...just skip the middleman
http://www.1000bulbs.com/250-Watt-Metal-Halide-Aquarium-Lamps/
$12.86 a bulb

No HQI DE 250watts...unless I'm missing them.

[au01st]

Dude, it hasn't been 3 weeks, it's barely been 2 weeks. And last week was a major holiday.

When I used the "ask seller a question" feature on eBay about the bulbs a month or so ago, I got a response the same day. It's possible they're just out of the office and catching up today.

[JMalone81]

I have bought from trust deals and never used the bulbs.I have some 20k Se bulbs for sale.

[jeffs86GT]

I just ordered 2 250W 14K SE on Tuesday last week and received them on Friday (day after thanksgiving) No problems for me at all. I like the bulbs and they are a bit whiter then my last 14K bulbs so next time I'll probably get 20K. I like the "bluer" look.

Jeff

[ironwill723]

Yeah I'm not sure what the issue was. They are based in Philly and I'm in Pittsburgh, so it shouldn't take more than a few days to ship even with standard postage. Seems like everyone is getting them in less than a week. I canceled my order because I sent multiple emails and left voice mails both before and after the holiday and never got any response whatsoever to my question. I tried calling 11/19, 11/23, 11/24, 11/25, and 5 times today before I called the credit card company. Also, sent emails to two different email addresses at the company on 11/19, 11/23, and 11/28 with no response. Not trying to give the company a bad rap, I just must have slipped through the cracks for some reason. All I wanted was tracking info on the shipment originally but after I could not reach anyone and never receiving additional info on my order I decided to make sure I got a refund.

[law086]

I had to bug them several times via email until my order actually shipped. When it was all said and done it took over two weeks to get mine, and I'm like 40 miles from Philly.