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RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 08:26 PM
Well after playing with a 55g freshwater planted discus tank; I've decided to set up a 90g AGA tank that's been sitting in the basement waiting for the right time.

After ripping out carpet and installing wood floors, plus donating the 55g to my brother-in-law (seemed only right, he gave us the 55g and 90g in the first place); I now being my new journey into a saltwater reef.

I actually started this build about 2 weeks ago but have been posting on a local Minnesota reef site. But, I thought I'd share and garner information and experience from all you fine folks here also. Can never get enough info or opinions, right?

I've been piecing things together as time and funds allow. Here are pictures of the AGA stand/canopy, the Solar T5HO 4x54w lighting and the 90g (which was in the garage under a 5 day leak test at the time). The bulbs here are 6700k for when I thought about staying FW, but the wife talked my into a reef tank:dance:

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 08:32 PM
Decided on drilling the back of the tank and installing a 1500gph overflow from glass-holes.com (yup, got the candy;))

Also, picked up a Reef Octopus Extreme 200 from the LHS.

minnesotareefer
11/04/2009, 08:37 PM
Sweet! good luck, can't wait to see it come together. Cheers fellow Minnesotan!

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 08:37 PM
Last weekend finally had a chance to drill the tank and install the overflow. Things went really smoothly and I was suprised how easy it was; it took about 8-10 minutes per hole - I was just a bit nervous.

Also, I was able to pick up a almost new 30g long that's going to be my sump. Boy, that OctX200 does take up a lot of room!!

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 08:40 PM
Sweet! good luck, can't wait to see it come together. Cheers fellow Minnesotan!


Thanks, you've come quite a ways on your journey!!! My tank and sump (still needs baffles) are still in the garage. I'm hoping to get it all at least IN the stand in a fews...never know when we'll get that 3ft dump during Thanksgiving!!! :lol:

-Glenn

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 08:48 PM
Here's some shots of the RO/DI unit I picked up from Bulk Reef Supply which I happen to live about 5 minutes away from!!!

Easy to install (by the basement laundry sink), flush, and kicked out 0ppm TDS water. The plan is to have 5ft away, a 55g plastic barrel as the DI water storage and another 55g barrel as my salt mix/storage tank - waiting on the barrels from my wife's work. With any luck, I can find a used pump and about 70ft of tubing to ease water changes instead of huffing 5g buckets up a flight of stairs.

flying_dutchman
11/04/2009, 08:57 PM
I I guess there was a 90 gallon sale recently :lol:
What are your plans for livestock? Tagging along

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 09:11 PM
Well, I finally got the back of the tank spray painted - Krylon flat black (2 cans worth).

I swapped out the 6700k bulbs with the following:

FRONT
ATI Blue plus
Giesemann Aquablue plus
ATI Blue plus
ATI Pro Color (may change to another Aquablue plus)
BACK

Tasks for this week:
1) add some 1x3 wood stretchers to base of stand to help disperse tank weight. The stand current has 5 points of contact (corners and middle peg). By adding a rectangular frame to the bottom, this should help spread out the "footprint" and weight across a wider surface area.

2) install baffles in sump - planning on a simple 2 chamber sump (skimmer/return). Return pump will be a Eheim 1262 plumbed with 3/4in sch80 PVC to a Y split Locline tubing.

3) attend TCMAS frag swap/speaker event...must absorb knowledge...

ddinox64
11/04/2009, 09:22 PM
Another 90g. See that mods? Need a middle size reef tank forum. Pico to 180 and 180 and bigger doesn't cut it.

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 09:23 PM
I I guess there was a 90 gallon sale recently :lol:
What are your plans for livestock? Tagging along

Seems like it 'eh? This 90g was given to me by my brother-in-law about 9yrs ago (tank was built in 12/1996) and sat in the basement just waiting to be reborn. It's in great shape and seals are intact (had it filled for 5 days to test - seals looked solid).

Livestock, geez, still researching that; would like to go to SPS at some point (will probably need a light upgrade). But, I plan to take my time learning the nuiances of easier corals, fish and inverts; plus general sw reef mechanics/science.

Here's what is currently sitting on my bedside table as night time reading:
The Reef Aquarium Vol. 3 by Delbeek and Sprung (I'm a bio-geek at heart). Great book that gives good detailed information - it is a text book afterall. :twitch: It will be a main place holder in my reef library.

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 09:30 PM
In designing my 30g sump for my 90g, I came across this tidbit:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i1/Baffles/bafflesart.htm

It's using EPDM weatherstripping to "pressure-lock" acrylic dividers into place within the sump - to ease installation and to make the baffles easily moved around.

Anyone have any experience or thoughts on this process; I like the modular capability, but I know there are some cons to this.

Thanks!

Glenn

WhoDey64
11/04/2009, 09:49 PM
Another 90g. See that mods? Need a middle size reef tank forum. Pico to 180 and 180 and bigger doesn't cut it.

Agreed!

ddinox64
11/04/2009, 10:22 PM
Hey! I like that idea. Here is mine. 90g with a 30g.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/ddinox64/Halloween027-1.jpg
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/ddinox64/10-19-09007.jpg

RedHeckle
11/04/2009, 10:28 PM
Nice aquascaping!!!

Any thanks for the sump shot, I'm still debating if I want a fuge or not. How deep is your sand bed (DSB method?)? Looks like it around 3-5in.

ddinox64
11/05/2009, 06:11 PM
Thanks for the compliments. Sand bed is all over the place. Not blowing around. It's 2" here, 3" there, 4" over there and about 5" in the back. Just random.

The fuge is nice to dump things in that may seem to be a problem. Like my Emerald crab. He aquired a taste for fish and I like him too much to get rid of. So off to the fuge.

I was having a red slime problem for a while. And since the Chaeto I have in there seems to have gotten big enough to perform its duty. And along with running a 2 Little Fishies reactor with GFO and carbon, all problems seem to have abated the display. Is it one or a combination of all three? I don't know but it's working.

I have also noticed after posting pictures of my tank and seeing others as well as helping out a local guy with 120. Look at the size of my overflow. It's huge compaired to everyone elses.

Anyway. Keep the progress pictures coming and I dig on the Mission style stand and hood. My stand and hood is horrible. Straight out of the 70s.

saf1
11/05/2009, 06:24 PM
Totally off topic here Red but couldn't help to notice you have a Kayak on the wall of your garage. Gotta ask because of the size - do you use it for SCUBA?

I'm diving all the time here in Nor Cal - Monterey of course.


Well, I finally got the back of the tank spray painted - Krylon flat black (2 cans worth).

I swapped out the 6700k bulbs with the following:

FRONT
ATI Blue plus
Giesemann Aquablue plus
ATI Blue plus
ATI Pro Color (may change to another Aquablue plus)
BACK

Tasks for this week:
1) add some 1x3 wood stretchers to base of stand to help disperse tank weight. The stand current has 5 points of contact (corners and middle peg). By adding a rectangular frame to the bottom, this should help spread out the "footprint" and weight across a wider surface area.

2) install baffles in sump - planning on a simple 2 chamber sump (skimmer/return). Return pump will be a Eheim 1262 plumbed with 3/4in sch80 PVC to a Y split Locline tubing.

3) attend TCMAS frag swap/speaker event...must absorb knowledge...

RedHeckle
11/05/2009, 09:48 PM
Totally off topic here Red but couldn't help to notice you have a Kayak on the wall of your garage. Gotta ask because of the size - do you use it for SCUBA?

I'm diving all the time here in Nor Cal - Monterey of course.

Hey saf1,

The yellow one is a Feathercraft Khatsalano S bought in 1998 from my small condo days in northwest Chicago burbs. It 17'9" with rudder and a 23" beam. Did great in Lake Michigan and also the Apostle Islands. Here in Minnesota though, it can be a bit long. My wife has a plastic VCP Skerry from '95 that's 17ft w/24" beam.

Haven't taken it diving, though it has crossed my mind. It'd be a bit awkward trying to keep the tank in the rear hatch area and maintain kayak stability. For where you're at and diving, I'd look at Ocean Kayaks's 15footers. The rear area is more below water line, so the boat would be more stable in rough water.

I'm hoping to get out more on Lake Superior now that I'm in MN. Well see, got laid off today (entire Mfg site is being closed); hopefully I won't have to sell this boat, it's served me well over the years. Hmmm kayak...reef tank....decisions, decisions.

-Glenn

RedHeckle
11/05/2009, 09:53 PM
Well, as folks may have noticed from my last post; I was just laid off today (along with 134 other great coworkers).

So, the tank progress may go along a bit slower than I'd like. Where I stand right now, I can probably get water in the tank (still need to finish plumbing and sump) but adding sand and LR will have to be spread out if not held up altogether.

Yeah, kinda bummed but wife is great support and wants to see if we can still keep the tank progress going - it was a promise of mine to her during her battle with breast cancer. So, updates may be sparse for awhile.

-Glenn

flying_dutchman
11/05/2009, 10:30 PM
:( Good luck, But I guess that it is a good thing to take it slow in this hobby
I'm pretty sure you'll find a good deal on live rock on craigslist.org, and you could use mostly dry rock as the base. The sand doesn't need to be all live either.
Again good luck and I hope that this is not going to get you to quit this amazing hobby.

saf1
11/05/2009, 11:17 PM
Thanks for the info Red. Yeah - we have been looking at a couple different ones. As I said it was waaay off topic but for some reason when I was looking at your pics I noticed it - no idea why, just did. So figured I'd ask :)

Really sorry also to hear about the job - its actually pretty horrible. Not only one person but like you said 154 others :( That isn't good news.

Maybe some fellow reefers in your neck of the woods could help out. I just parted with 25 lbs of live fiji rock I've had for the last 5 or so years in my tank. Also about 10 lbs of live sand.

From what I've seen so far of your set up though - it looks great. Also grats to your better half on her battle. Always nice to see the good guys/gals win once in a while.

RedHeckle
11/13/2009, 02:59 PM
Thanks everyone for the words of encouragement!!! And yes, some local reefers have offered some dry rock and sand, plus one helped me bring the tank into the house. I'll be adding picks shortly.

And yes, the wife is awesome! And progressing very well, she in the physical therapy portion of treatment and is back at work full time. She's my main driver for this tank - she want to imagine herself diving through the reef exploring, since after this whole ordeal she may not be able to scuba dive again - but we'll be researching that when we get to that area though - she loves diving (usually off south of Carmen del Playa).

-Glenn

RedHeckle
11/13/2009, 03:05 PM
Well the tank is FINALLY on the stand thanks to a fellow reefer and I've about 40lbs of dry rock and 10lbs of dry sand from another local reefer. Next week I'll probably be picking up some cured LR to help seed the dry - all this in a Rubbermain container until I have SW in the tank.

Here's a full shot of tank and stand/canopy:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sv3CSXyfjvI/AAAAAAAAERo/TjdLyunof5c/s800/IMG_7524.JPG


Full shot with open doors:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sv3CMvl6NYI/AAAAAAAAEQ0/ieqhWBGT5sA/s800/IMG_7511.JPG

Close up of the 30g sump with Octopus Extreme 200 and Eheim 1262 return pump:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sv3CPzNtODI/AAAAAAAAERU/e0mcO_UBnxk/s800/IMG_7519.JPG


That Ext-200 takes up quite a bit of room, not sure what the final position of the skimmer will be. I just need to make sure there's room for the two drain lines. Any suggestions as to how the skimmer should be positioned?

The baffles are installed via this method - Pressure locking baffles (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i1/Baffles/bafflesart.htm)

Baffle height from left to right is: 8.75in/9.75in/8.75in/5.5in. The last baffle creating the return section will have another 3in of egg crate added on top of it so it will be close to 8.5in; this is to prevent the potential creature from getting sucked up if I put one in the middle section. The middle section will also have live rock.

Any constructive criticism on the sump layout? I'm going to water test the sump either this weekend. Next week I'll be working on the plumbing.

Thanks again everyone!!!

BLKTANG
11/13/2009, 03:50 PM
If u r not running a chiller i would drill,& install cooling fans in that canopy.

Nice job so far.

flying_dutchman
11/13/2009, 04:57 PM
I would install a filter sock.

RedHeckle
11/14/2009, 07:01 PM
Well, I decided to NOT go with the "pressure locking" baffle method mentioned in an earlier post; so I'll be using silicone to lock in the baffles:

Here's why:
1) leaks - sides and bottoms; I even had 2 panels just shy of 11.75in (wider than in article) in width that I thought fit pretty snug -> leaked. I just couldn't get the leaks to stop.

2) loose baffles - I had one baffle (1st one after the skimmer) at exactly 11.5in (width) and it gave in during filling of the skimmer section and got pushed towards the 2nd baffle.

I was warned about potential loose baffles but I really wanted to give the method a try for really one reason - ability to easily move/replace baffles. I figured worst case - I silicone - and that's where I stand now. On the plus side, it gave me a chance to see how baffles work and also how sump chambers work in general. It gave me a chance to change up spacing/positioning of the baffles to my liking - so I made some final placement measurements. So not all was a waste.

So, a question - I have about 1/4in gap on each baffle side from the glass, is this too wide to silicone in? I don't think it will be but I'll looking for those with experience siliconing in baffles.

Also, I'll be increasing the baffle height for the one near the pump.

Thanks,
Glenn

RedHeckle
11/17/2009, 07:48 AM
Well I've finished the sump:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwITG95sM-I/AAAAAAAAE8g/rWqvAwN13Qg/s800/IMG_7525.JPG


The skimmer chamber is 15in wide and the baffle is 11in high, I'll need to raise the skimmer up a few inches. I'll be making an acrylic base with the scrap pieces I have.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwITFUOvkYI/AAAAAAAAE8I/pRChuss4LIQ/s800/IMG_7526.JPG

Here's the return section, with an 11in high baffle which has 1in cuts into it (my okay 1st attempt at using a router for this design); also, I've rotated the 1262 (this chamber is 9in wide):
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwITF3136UI/AAAAAAAAE8Q/vZ9ZP3ChgpY/s800/IMG_7527.JPG


The PVC is just dry fitted so I can tweak positions, I also need to make a brace attached to the stand to support the PVC.

So, I'll be performing final fitting of the drain PVC, create the PVC brace and make the acrylic stand for the skimmer. Also, I'll finalize layout for the return plumbing. I'm going to have a T fitting off the return pipe to a valve which will feed water back to the middle section of the sump. The return output will go to a LocLine Y-split as you see in the right corner of the FSS (full sump shot).

With any luck, I'll be performing full leak testing by the weekend. I'm still waiting on those free 55g barrels from my wife's work but there's some red tape to deal with. Hopefully soon; otherwise, I'll be filling this tank the hard way with two 5gal carboys.

Thanks again for hitching along and for the suggestions!

-Glenn

RedHeckle
11/20/2009, 09:33 PM
Well, the tank is filled!!! with tap water:hmm3:

Testing for leaks and switched the position of some of the drains. I changed the 90 degree elbows to 45 elbows for the bottom part of the drains. I used spa-flex for the entire return line.

A gate valve controls flow to tank while a ball valve controls the T-split return to the sump.

Filling the tank up:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwdcNfd0S8I/AAAAAAAAFtU/nYHTRWTSdR8/s800/IMG_1280.JPG


Sump in action:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwddA_ZXEiI/AAAAAAAAFts/IC-FUUM7wsg/s800/IMG_1283.JPG

Return line valves (gate is gray, ball is white):
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwddB41eUDI/AAAAAAAAFt0/IaNXNx1YkIE/s800/IMG_1285.JPG

Vid of sump running, that Octopus Extreme is pretty loud (click the Movie link in bottom left corner:
<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Gt7idbqaaqTD5nc13r8rMA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SwddAB1YjvI/AAAAAAAAFtk/BvLPMCvPbHQ/s800/MVI_1282.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/kudozza/200990gBuildPics?feat=embedwebsite">2009 90g Build Pics</a></td></tr></table>

The return pump is an Eheim 1262, this sucker kicks out some flow - at full bore, the overflow and drains are noisy, but some tweaking with the valves correct that. Not sure if I should swap to a 1260 for the overall return return flow.

I know things are different when running saltwater and after some biofilm build up, but I'm a bit concerned on the noise of the skimmer. I'll have to see if things calm down after running in salt water; this will have to wait until after Thanksgiving - heading to Chicago to visit family.

-Glenn

RedHeckle
12/08/2009, 09:40 AM
Well, it's been a while on updates; I've been trying to pace out and watch for local deals on stuff. All while job searching and attending career placement semiars.

So, I now have about 100lbs of rock in the tank now; about 25lbs of live rock and the rest was dry rock that I've been finding deals on (bulk reef supply had a nice black Friday sale).

I just tossed it all in the tank to get some cycling started and to seed the dry rock. I'll be picking up 160lbs of oolite sand on Friday, so I'll need to pull all the rocks out anyways.

I'm currently debating about controllers (RKL and Aqua Jr.), stay tuned for that.

On to the pics!!!

Full system shot:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sxx2dNwjOKI/AAAAAAAAFy8/093a7YZLdhw/s800/IMG_7588.JPG

FTS with ATI Blue Plus:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sxx2izl3aII/AAAAAAAAFzQ/cCEjADb_9X4/s800/IMG_7587.JPG

FTS with full lights (ATI aqua blue/blue plus/color pro):
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/Sxx2gQ3gnMI/AAAAAAAAFzU/BO95WXpEvCw/s800/IMG_7583.JPG

Reeftanks6
12/08/2009, 02:04 PM
Looking good. Tagging along. I also have a 90 gallon tank

bryman
12/11/2009, 12:34 AM
Looking good - we are very close to the same progress on our 90G builds! I like your DIY skills too! One question - did you switch out the tap water for RO/DI water from your BRS unit before you added the salt?

BTW, good luck on your job search - same thing happened to me during my last 90G build. I hope that you can keep all your toys and find a good job soon!

RedHeckle
12/11/2009, 07:22 AM
Looking good - we are very close to the same progress on our 90G builds! I like your DIY skills too! One question - did you switch out the tap water for RO/DI water from your BRS unit before you added the salt?

BTW, good luck on your job search - same thing happened to me during my last 90G build. I hope that you can keep all your toys and find a good job soon!

Yup and thanks, drained the tap and even wiped tank/sump down a bit with towels. Did my best to get rid of tap water, even flushed pumps. Then, filled with RO/DI, even though it took about 2.5 days!! :bigeyes:

I'm pretty much down now with purchases, but I am eyeing a RKL for the controller! :sad2:

bryman
12/11/2009, 07:29 AM
Ah, very good about the RO/DI water! I learned the hard way about starting a tank with tap many years ago! I was going to buy the RKL initially as well, but I needed to have more controllable outlets so I went with the RKE V2. It is some serious cash though! :(

RedHeckle
12/15/2009, 04:39 PM
Woohoo!!! The tank aquascape has been completed...for now! 160lbs of sand from OD (thx Becky!) and about ~110lbs of rock in place.

Cycling is now the waiting period (it's day 4 after adding sand and final 'scaping). Diatoms are settling in as expected; it's just a waiting game now. So, I'm looking up clean up crew candidates since this expense isn't too bad - though I'll probably keep the numbers low for now.

The layout is pretty straightforward, I can now appreciate how difficult it can be to aquascape. It's definitely hard to see what you're doing and try to see the whole layout while standing on a step stool and dealing with the magnification of the water. Lots of caves and holes and some decent room behind rock for water flow. Overall, I'm excited and so is the wife - we keep talking about our diving and snorkelling in Akumal.

I did cheat and did pick up a RKL which is really sweet, reminds me of the automation I had to deal with at work.

Tank Stats:
Temp: 78 to 80F
pH: 7.79 to 8.0
PO4: .25ppm
Nitrate: 10ppm

The pH is lower than I'd like, not sure if this will increase after cycling; I'm researching up Kalk addition.

The temperature will stick around 78F with the canopy lid open but with the lid closed; it creeps up to 80.7F after 4hrs of full light - need to look into a fan for inside canopy.

Now the pictures!!!

FTS
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SybrvI4e6qI/AAAAAAAAGPE/W9h04lDLqSk/s800/IMG_7720.JPG

Right side angle:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SybrwZwXUWI/AAAAAAAAGOA/wHXKdpk614s/s800/IMG_7721.JPG

Left side angle:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/SybrxXN9d9I/AAAAAAAAGOI/jg_Kwfrwikg/s800/IMG_7722.JPG

Yes, I'm currently cleaning the glass up!

bryman
12/15/2009, 05:31 PM
Sweet rock and aquascaping!

RedHeckle
12/15/2009, 07:40 PM
Thanks bryman!

It helps when one can hand pick the rock he wants from 3 LFS for live rock; plus some dry rock from Bulk Reef Supply which is 5 minutes from my home.

Cheers!

Glenn

minnesotareefer
12/22/2009, 01:40 AM
Looking awesome. Have you went to Saltwater Empire in Bloomington? If you want to pick up frags or fish that is the best in the area IMO.

bryman
01/12/2010, 07:45 PM
Any updates? My fellow 90G builders are slacking ;)

RedHeckle
01/17/2010, 10:04 PM
WooHoo! It's just over a month with my first reef tank!

FTS:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/S1PSVD2639I/AAAAAAAAHSE/S1xm66yiXU4/s800/IMG_7997.JPG

My tiny feather duster and an Astrea snail:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_n1S4Gio2-KA/S1PSZ24VMyI/AAAAAAAAHSk/KKUkncbY0LQ/s800/IMG_8005.JPG

Parameters:
Salinity: 1.025
pH: 7.75
Temp: 75.5(at lights on) - 78.5 (at lights off) - only running full lights for 4hrs
ORP: 440 +/- 20 mV
NH4: 0ppm
NO3: 0ppm
PO4: 0ppm
Salt: SeaChem Reef Salt
RO/DI water

Livestock: 8 Astrea, 20 Nassarius, 15 Cerith snails, 20 blue and 10 red-legged hermits. 2 hitchhiker feather dusters and of course my wicked dying hair algae that I'm slowly cleaning off

I'm a bit concerned with the pH. Using SeaChem Reef Salt, pH should be around 8.4. I know there are other factors, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to why it's low.

I'm going to be doing small water changes over the next serveral days - I was doing 15g water changes every 2 two; or should I do a few 50% water changes?

I want to figure out the pH issue before I add any fish or coral, also there's a small chance I may relocate so I may not get fish for a while - still, I may get some Ocellaris black and white clowns. My 3yo daughter keeps asking where the fish are

Other fish candidates:
Algae blenny
Watchman goby and pistol shrimp


Corals:
Everything!! Lol! Seriously, easy beginner stuff: mushrooms, zoas, leathers, some "tree-type" corals.

Thanks folks!!!
Glenn

RedHeckle
02/04/2010, 09:02 AM
Well, it's been awhile and a LOT of changes may be occurring over the next few weeks/months. In summary,

1) 3 weeks ago, I purchased 2 Ocellaris clowns (orange/white) - still in quarantine.

2) Snails/crabs have done a great job clearing up algae.

3) 1 week ago, I have a phone interview for a job in Flagstaff, AZ - I currently live in Minnesota.

4) They want me to fly out to Flagstaff for an onsite interview. Confidence is high that I'll be offered a position. Not sure where to live; what to do with SW tank.

We still want to have a reef tank set up if/when we move to Flagstaff, but we may be in a rental for a few months. Who knows.

Problem: What to do with a young saltwater tank with 160lbs of sand and 120lbs of rock, various snails/crabs and 2 clowns?

Possible solutions:
1) Sell all creatures, sell rock and sand. Keep all hardware and store until ready to go again.

2) Sell all creatures. Somehow keep sand and rock stored until ready to restart - problem is how best to store sand/rock in (dry) storage.

3) Sell all creatures and sand. Keep rock.

I'm looking for suggestions and advice on this from you folks. We want to get the tank going again, but it may be a few months until things settle down.

Advice Please!

lotsoftats
02/04/2010, 10:05 AM
My opinion is sell the live creatures and store everything else...been thru alot and overcame alot to get this tank going.....tank is young so no big deal to pull everything and dry it out and start over when you are settled in.....JMO....best of luck.

Tank looks great by the way.

RedHeckle
02/04/2010, 05:10 PM
lotsoftats,

I'd like to go that route too; but what do I do about the rock and sand? Do I rinse the rock in RO/DI water and store "dry" in a rubbermaid? What about the sand - drain as much water as possible and rubbermaid it?

I understand that going this route will have lots of die-off when I start back up again. But, as long as I don't rush cooking rocks and rinsing sand when I start again; does anyone else see other problems?

Thanks,
Glenn

RedHeckle
02/04/2010, 05:15 PM
Also, who knows how long rock/sand will be in "storage" until it sees saltwater - could be days or could be months.

Anymore insight from folks?

Thanks,
Glenn

flying_dutchman
02/04/2010, 07:47 PM
if you have the storage for 1 or 2 rubbermaids, I would just sell the livestock and keep the liverock in the rubbermaids with a powerhead and a heater. Do some waterchanges every now and then and you should be fine.
The easiest is just to sell all livestock and rocks/ sand.

flying_dutchman
02/04/2010, 07:48 PM
BTW
If you decide to store the rocks dry, the best way is to rinse the rocks throughtfully with RO water and let it sun dry.

Salamander
03/07/2010, 01:02 AM
I just saw your thread about potentially moving to Flag. LMK if you're heading this way and I may be able to help you out. We have a small but great club here. Shot me a PM and we'll see if we can help. At the very least I'm sure we could hook you up with a bunch of frags once you get here.

reefermad619
03/07/2010, 02:18 AM
Sell all live stock. Rock: let dry in sun then stick in storage tote and forget about it until you're ready. Sand: Get a 5 gallon bucket and drill several small holes in bottom of bucket. Line the inside bottom of bucket with window screen. Scoop in sand and most water will drain out with time. Get in and stir sand around to get more water out. Then decant dry sand from top and repeat 'til finished. Good luck with you move. Better to have too much work, than not enough!

RedHeckle
04/15/2010, 09:10 AM
Hey Everyone!!!

It's been awhile - dealing with unemployment and my wife's need for additional surgery to remove ovarian cysts (non-cancerous and she gets to keep her ovaries) in her recovery from breast cancer.

Things are turning around though I think - I'm employed - here in Minnesota, I start on 4/19! Flagstaff didn't pan out but maybe down the road - we do like that town!

Anyways, tank additions had been on hold - just the fun maintance stuff and I did manage to discover APTASIA! ~ 2 of them. I scraped a big one (~ 1in) off the glass and covered a small 3mm one on a rock with epoxy. I'm afraid that there will be more down the road, so I'm considering buying a peppermint shrimp quickly.


Also, I found a frigging large (3in across) white crab!!! The claw tips are black so I'm assuming it's BAD!! No pics as this thing hides well! It must have come off the live rock I got and been small at the time back in November 2009. I need to get this guy out, just need to figure out how.

My first purchase once paid will probably be some type of coral - most likely an RBTA for my clowns to attempt to host.

I'll try to get tank pics later today. Now back to all the reading and researching on future purchases!!! Too bad I just missed a local frag swap. Oh well soon enough!

RedHeckle
10/08/2010, 09:49 AM
Funny how things go on the way side after getting back in APRIL! Sorry for lack of updates, but here's the "Cliff-Notes" version:

1) removed that bad crab after it had finished off 4 of my hermits (I actually saw it kidnap and kill one before I could saw it). I made a trap using a plastic cup and a piece of shrimp - cup standing up on sand near rock, crab went, actually slid in and could not get out. I have video that I can post later of it.

2) Added the following corals: duncan, blasto, purple-tipped frogspawn, xenia, green-button polys, kenya tree, green-stripped mushrooms.

3) Added the following fish: 2 percula clowns, Kole Tang (wife LOVES this guy)

4) Spent almost three hours of rock rearranging - PIA! At least I had no fish/corals yet.

5) Hardware - made ATO using a 13g trash can, Aqualifter pump and DA float switches. And, yesterday 10/7, swapped out a Koralia 4 with a Vortech MP40w that I picked up used.

Now the fun part PICTURES!!!

FTS (9/17), not the best, I'll try to get better ones this weekend
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Left side:
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Right side:
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"Max" the Kole Tang:
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Purple-tipped Frogspawn:
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"Blasto"
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Clowns:
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The Evil crab (now living in sump):
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I need to get better pics of the rest of the corals and of the clowns.

I had to move around the Frogspawn to find a better spot for it as well as the Duncan.

It's almost time to swap out the bulbs (The Blasto has lost some color as well as the frogspawn) - went with ATI aquablues, ATI blue plus, and a Fiji Purple. Will probably change next weekend.

The MP40w is cool and really stirred up the detritus at full RPM. Couldn't believe how much stuff was laying around that was blown around once the MP40 fired up Right now I have it set for reef-crest at about 80%. Still have the Koralia 4 on the other side for now. I'll provide more feedback on the MP40 on a later post, fyi it's bit louder than the K4.

I don't have as many corals as I like since some new developments have occurred.

Back in September after her bi-yearly scan, my wife's breast cancer had returned - this time on her adrenal gland, so she's a stage 4 metastatic (uncureable) cancer individual. She started up chemo again several weeks back so it's been busy. She LOVES watching the tank and especially Max (Kole tang - her birthday gift) and finds it very theraputic. She'll have chemo until January 2011 and then possible surgery to remove her right adrenal gland (and maybe kidney) and for sure her ovaries will be removed. Our goals to keep the cancer in "control" for as long as we can. She's a fighter and my hero.

We have to watch our spending but I still look for good deals on frags from fellow reefers in the Twin Cities area. It'll just a slower process of "filling" up the tank. That's alright though, gives me a chance to see how our corals will grow! And, if it's makes my wife smile even now - well, it's a job well done then! :thumbsup:

Thanks everyone!
Glenn

RedHeckle
10/08/2010, 10:01 AM
I had installed a used MP40w to replace a K4 last night (thanks tatoofr on the deal!).

I love the flow but I noticed that it's louder (a whirring noise as it's RPMs spool up) than the K4. It's missing the rubber pad which I plan to pick up to see if that helps with the noise.

Overall I really like the flow, the noise, I'm 50/50 over but I'm going to tinker a bit. Since I got it used, I don't know if it's a true representation how a MP40 should sound like. I do plan on swapping out the other K4 in the future but if the noise is still an issue I may go with a Koralia Evo 1400 and put in on wave control on the RKL.

I've seen several threads asking/commenting about the apparent "noise" of the MP40. What I plan on doing this weekend it getting a video of both the MP40 and of the K4 running (while all other pumps will be off) to show the sound difference as each is running.

Cheers,
Glenn

strike2867
10/08/2010, 10:27 AM
I had installed a used MP40w to replace a K4 last night (thanks tatoofr on the deal!).

I love the flow but I noticed that it's louder (a whirring noise as it's RPMs spool up) than the K4. It's missing the rubber pad which I plan to pick up to see if that helps with the noise.

Overall I really like the flow, the noise, I'm 50/50 over but I'm going to tinker a bit. Since I got it used, I don't know if it's a true representation how a MP40 should sound like. I do plan on swapping out the other K4 in the future but if the noise is still an issue I may go with a Koralia Evo 1400 and put in on wave control on the RKL.

I've seen several threads asking/commenting about the apparent "noise" of the MP40. What I plan on doing this weekend it getting a video of both the MP40 and of the K4 running (while all other pumps will be off) to show the sound difference as each is running.

Cheers,
Glenn

When the 1400 Evo runs in my tank, it is dead silent. There is a slight sound in the startup, so I put it on a timer to turn on and off at 15 minute intervals.

bryman
10/08/2010, 07:24 PM
Glen,

Thanks for the update! And prayers for you and your wife - never give up!

RedHeckle
10/11/2010, 09:38 AM
Thanks bryman! She's a trooper alright and it's was found that chemo's working great after the 2nd treatment - there was fear that it wouldn't since it went metastatic, but the tumor has shrunk from 4cm to 3cm and the involved lymph is no longer detectable! Of course, "reef-tank" therapy played it's part! ;)

Cheers,
Glenn

03sonicstang
10/13/2010, 02:20 PM
Lots of prayers for you and your wife coming!

I just checked out the build, awesome tank!! I hope my Coraline takes off like yours has!!

Keep up the reef therapy!

steelerfan1
12/18/2010, 03:28 PM
kind of new here glenn and searching posts.

just wanted to let you know your wife is in my thoughts and prayers and hope for the best for her.