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Sk8r
02/10/2010, 06:08 PM
Salt is a life and death issue.
This is something everybody needs to know, because a salt-mistake will happen sooner or later.
Imagine a balloon full of gas at surface pressure, rising up through levels of lesser pressure. Boom. That's representative of a living cell with one level of salinity inside, and another outside. A cell has a fragile outer membrane that can outright rupture in that situation. A cell dies. If it happens to be a fishy kidney cell, that's bad. If it's a bunch of them, it's very bad. The fish may die several days later of a toxic buildup due to kidney damage...and kidneys get it worst, because THAT's what has to deal with fluid balance.
The major, major deal with acclimation is salt. Ideally, phone the people you're going to buy fish from and ask them what salinity they ship in. Many will say 1.021. Fine. Set up your quarantine tank at 1.021. When your fish arrives, granted the temperature is close, you can open that bag, TEST the water to be sure, test your QT tank to be absolutely sure, and then just put the fish straight across into qt with no dripping or messing or waiting. Over the next 4 weeks (observation time) slowly bring that 1.021 of the qt tank up to match your display salinity [General reef range (1.024-1.026) FOWLR, usually 1.021]. I use an autotopoff unit to keep that salt level absolutely even all the time. This is a little stricter than the ocean itself manages (rainstorms, passing currents), but in a little glass box, fish don't get the option to move if they're uncomfortable.
If you follow this habit, your fish will be happier.
Inverts often come in at 1.024. Again, test. And you MUST acclimate: creatures in shells can't sweat---or exchange fluids rapidly. They die very readily of salt shock. (Osmotic shock). If you're within .001, you're good to put the critter into your tank. If not, you'll have to use the drip method. But DON'T drip for more than 45 minutes. Ph changes in the bag can be a problem once that bag is open.

And IF you have a topoff accident and find you've dropped your reef salinity to 1.020...DON'T bring it rapidly back up UNLESS you know you've caught it within 5-10 minutes of the accident.
Think of it this way: the faster the change, the harder on the kidneys. Your critters have already been through one rough change, they've been sitting in this water a while, they're still alive, and they've lived through it all, but they're not feeling well. To bring it all back to level again super-fast is going to hit them with one more rough change, and could just push them over the edge, because their tissues have adjusted now to what they're in---they're not happy, but they're not dead, which is good. Start to raise salinity by drawing off some water and then topping off with high-salinity salt water, little at a time, very little: this may play hob with your preferred bedtime, but it's good not to rush this. At a certain point, you can say, well, they're still alive and within a decent range (1.022) and at this point, just slow down, top off with salt water as needed, and you'll be fine.

More things to know about salt: if your salt solidifies, don't use it: the buffer in the mix is shot. It will give you big problems with alkalinity. Keep salt buckets tightly lidded. This is an expensive mistake.

Don't let salt crystals from 'salt creep' fall from a hose onto your corals: it will burn a white spot.

Salt mixes vary in what 1/2 cup to a gallon gives you. I use Oceanic, which gives a nice buffer and calcium level (reef) and mixes up at 1.024 salinity.

You can hasten salt mixing by putting a maxijiet 1200 in a 5 g poly bucket. It will definitely be ready by morning. In an emergency, I've used a mag 5, and the mix was useable (in a crisis) in about 4 hours. You're a lot better, however, letting it mix overnight. If, however, you have to choose between really polluted water or a cracked tank and a 4-hour salt mix, go for the clean water. Salt can burn if not mixed properly, and you're measuring the hazards of, say, a mild irritation of the gills vs, say, suffocation. Sometimes you go for the better of two unhappy choices.

And last of all: NEVER get caught without enough salt on hand to mix up a lifesaving refuge tank for everything you value. If you have an imminent tank-crash crisis, the fastest safety lies in moving all your specimens to clean water, even with a simple air pump going (which actually can help prevent the crash, because you've removed a significant part of the bioload from the stressed tank). Estimate how many gallons that would take, and be sure your reserve salt is always adequate.

Octoshark
02/10/2010, 06:20 PM
Imagine a balloon full of gas at surface pressure, rising up through levels of lesser pressure. Boom.

Or imagine a deep sea fish out in the ocean being brought up to the surface. The swim bladder is full of air at very high pressures in the deep ocean, so when the deep sea fish is brought up to the surface and all of that outer pressure is relieved, the air inside the swim bladder is allowed to expand to large volumes resulting in the swim bladder "popping like a balloon." I have a picture in one of my marine biology books of a deep sea fish with what appears to be a red ball the size of a softball in its mouth with its jaws peeled back; it is actually the fish's swim bladder after the enormous pressure was relieved and allowed the bladder to inflate to an enormous size.

Sk8r
02/10/2010, 06:26 PM
ewww. what a way to go.

johnike
02/10/2010, 06:52 PM
ewww. what a way to go.

Great info, thanks. Especially the clumping salt thing. BTW- will we be reported for being 'out there'?:fun2:

Sk8r
02/10/2010, 09:59 PM
:lol: they know I escape now and again! ;)

rennne39
07/27/2010, 03:23 PM
you said what to do if the salt is mixed low but what do you do if you discover you have mixed it high

nrbelk
07/27/2010, 04:25 PM
If its high don't you take out some salt water and replace it with fresh water?

Also, great article, thanks. I didn't know that about the clumbed salt. I wondered why it was getting hard to keep my alk high enough and/or stable. Maybe now I know.

rennne39
07/27/2010, 04:31 PM
yes he or she does some great article, I was thinking that I just add water but wanted to make sure I did not need to do anything special for the fish

dwdowney
07/27/2010, 04:59 PM
Ok. So last week I left my RO (300 GPM) running in my sump for 24 hrs. I critically desalinated my tank to 1.015. I obviously freeked, and raised the salinity back to 1.021 in about 4 hours by taking water from my sump in a five gallon bucket, mixing about a half a bag of IO (800 gallon total system volume) at a time with two korala 4s running in the bucket. It created a salt slurry almost. I let it mix for a half an hour at a time and added it back to the first chamber of my sump which caught most of the undissolved salt and slowed the mix of the heavier supersaturated salt mix. I would have used my 200 gallon mixing tank but I had 450 clean up critters in there and I didn’t want to write them off too.
The moral of the story is: 1. I am an idiot and should have set up my auto top off sooner. 2: it’s a great way to get rid of ich if you don’t like your corals and 3: everything is looking a little bleached, but I have not lost anything.
Do you think I did it right considering the circumstances or should I have raised it more slowly even though the salt level was in my mind critically and dangerously low.